The NEW FOX-3 MECHANIC that MAKES THESE MISSILES BE WAAAY BETTER! - War Thunder

[@Optimaloptimus]

What you’re trying to say Mat, is that the missile knows where it is because it knows where it isn’t.

[@bruhhhhmoment4848]

Wait are you saying that the missile subtracts where it is from where it isn’t or where it isn’t from where it is which ever is greater, and by doing this it obtains a difference or deviation.

[@atianfirebolt8125]

​@@bruhhhhmoment4848It multiplies by where it is then divides by where it isn't.

[@grimmig13]

The comparison with IRCCM is wrong, because this is much worse: IRCCM disables the seeker head for a couple of seconds when a new heat source is suddenly introduced in its FoV and keeps the missile on the previously calculated flight path, giving you a short window of time to get out of the FoV of the seeker. Angle gating never disables the missile's radar, it uses predictive reasoning to completely ignore any new radar return that is not behaving according to predictions. In other words, if it's chasing an aircraft that's moving at a certain speed and angle to it, and that aircraft pops chaff which is almost stationary, the missile won't go "Oh look, a penny!" and aim for the chaff, it will go "New target behavior does not match predicted behavior of my original target, ignore." and will keep tracking the aircraft.

[@superJ1047]

also not all irccm turn themselves off so this comparison got very confusing but thanks for clearing it up

[@Check_Vibe0]

honestly Ive noticed like 0 gameplay changes from it. Notching and chaff still works as usually. Maybe I got lucky multiple timess.

[@coove3940]

@@Check_Vibe0 Its probably harder to notch the missiles comming from long ranges. You now have to not just put the missile at 90 degree angle but also change the trajectory while popping chaff, and its quite hard because the missile can relock since its still comming your way and not going to chaff, espesially if you cannot see if the missile is tracking or not.

[@seniorilay8291]

"IRCCM disables the seeker head for a couple of seconds" but there is nothing like that irl, this 'mechanics' was invented by snails specifically for the AIM-9M, and there is nothing like that on the 9M. irl 9M filters out false targets by target temperature, target size, by two IR/UV ranges, and by the rate of change of target temperature. therefore irl IRCCM 9M works well when launched into the rear hemisphere, and not when launched head-on or from the side.

[@devdream9277]

@@seniorilay8291 Pretty sure that those type of IRCCM exist in real life, i made research a while back on every type of IRCCM and tracking suspension was mentionned,

[@exonys3838]

Hey, take pauses if you need to, family and private stuffs are important, don’t worry Matt, even tho you are important to us as a news giver, you are more important for your family and yourself, take care

[@camiloherrera9268]

Bro, probably his wife plays with him and his child were born inside the war thunder hq

[@MqncoMarepoto]

@@camiloherrera9268 Mat son gonna be the next gaijin CEO fr

[@shayzadg]

These comments are getting annoying...Matt is a grown man

[@mechfox]

This change will help in these scenarios: 1. Lot of enemies fly close together, (missile wont spaz out as much and have more range) 2. Friendly flies inbetween missile and target (less teamkills) 3. Enemy fires missile and your missile locks that missile and ignores the plane. (Will now hapen less) 4. Bad use of chaff (already worked kinda like this on low altitude but now also at high altitirudes) If you are thinking this will be some sort of miracle change it wont. Most of the reliable tacktics work the same so its just less random now.

[@nobodyjustniki]

end of next year: F22 /SU57 hahaha btw i noticed that the aim120A got wayyy better at distance between 10km and 25km

[@Mrskydoesminecraft1]

Unlikely we’ll get that far this year, just barely getting gen 4.5 and still haven’t finished off gen 4s yet, plus still more advanced versions of gen 4s and 4.5s to come, as well as new ones, like the Mitsubishi F-2, F-15EX, etc.

[@aflyingcowboy31]

@@Mrskydoesminecraft1 Nah, the F-22 is 100% more likely by the end of this year now (2025 I mean), the only way it won't come is if Gaijin actually stops and slows down now with the vehicles they are adding i.e. Gaijin has really boxed themselves in with adding the EF and Rafale, the fact these came before planes like the F-2 and F-18 is actually wild to me. Also: "just barely getting gen 4.5" Makes no sense, the current Rafale is the F3-R, the F3-R officially entered operational service in 2021.... That means it is one of the best/most modern 4.5th gens that can come into the game. "plus still more advanced versions of gen 4s and 4.5s to come, as well as new ones, like the Mitsubishi F-2, F-15EX, etc." For the EF, for the others not really, the F-2 will kind of be DOA now, the F-15EX will also just be an F-15E with more missiles (4 more AMRAAMs), overall performance will be no different otherwise. Gaijin skipping all the way to 4.5th gens either means the 14.0 bracket will be it for the next 2 years (i.e. no more massively pushing the boundaries), or Gaijin has to start adding planes like the F-22 or F-35, there are no longer any other options.

[@angelnunez6476]

Maybe they added these jets for the weapons. We’re missing over 20 years of weaponry on these aircraft and each one can be major updates. Harm update, cruise missiles, stealth missiles, loitering munitions, radar guided air to ground missiles, long range fox-3s, more gps guided munitions, anti ship weapons, etc

[@sooryan_1018]

And still no F18 😂🤣😭

[@TheSelnikk]

@@aflyingcowboy31they had to give germany a good CAS fighter cause there was no good one, the us has enough of cas …

[@Gurubashy]

Maybe my R77s won't eat chaff like R60s eat flares anymore. Swear to God, I shot two R77s at an Su-34 from less than 2 km away and both went for chaff, the Su 34 was not even notching. That's when I stopped completely playing Russia and switched to Italy. That bullsht has no place in any game, especially when the enemy's missiles have twice the range of yours. I'd get it if it was from 30 km away but right in front of me and instead of going up towards the target they just acquire chaff and start going down it's absolute bs.

[@user-Xx0xxxxx]

It's funny, the stats for this have been in game for like, months now, they genuinely just forgot to enable it.

[@wardogleader3200]

ECCM is in game. Now there is a little problem, AIM-120A doesnt get this feature, algo AIM-120A doesnt loft that high, its loft should be the same as the MICA.

[@OakeDoki]

Take care of yourself friend. I pray all will be well for you and your family. God bless

[@andyvie5332]

Hope family is ok, best wishes and happy holidays

[@gandalfderfette3105]

now i known why i got killed while notching but not why my missiles made a lot of tks

[@jamyorday]

Hey Mat, everyone knows you're the GOAT already. No need to prove it further!

[@Oriol_Oriol_Oriol]

If the chaff was useless now is inexistent

[@whoneedshandlesanyway]

Bruhh you want to tell me I can no longer chaff a single one of 10 fox 3 that are coming at me at 15km launch distance? I did usually chaff like half of them in my maneuver in the past. Or maybe you want to tell me that the teamkill bias is finally fixed? One time I did make sure there was at least 1km horizontal separation throughout the whole fox 3 flight path between the bandit and friendly yet the missile still went for the TK bias... I did met them the next battle and they were like wtf how did that even happen... Anyway what are you talking about changing direction while chaffing? I tried many ways to chaff fox 3 and the only possible way to do so was while doing the actual maneuver(changing direction) since you have basically zero idea to the missile vertical position making static angle holding pretty much impossible.

[@nemexx3357]

Would be nice if u would have used sensor view in a replay to explain it visual.

[@_d3642]

I think this reduces the chance of friendly fire at close range (active seeker)

[@phantomraptor8851]

thats wrong. its not turning the seeker off. it remains on however it will ignore any target that has a high angle rate difference (aka a stationary target chaff compared to a jet) compared to what it was originally tracking. what happens is the missile fc will then go back into iog of the last known angle rate of the actual target. If it finds a new target or target with a similar angle rate and RCS it will relock and track that.

[@timtam5874]

So now dodging the fox 3 is gonna feel like dodging a long range 9m??

[@Warrior_AP]

We dont need better fox 3s

[@Oriol_Oriol_Oriol]

fr

[@asellusaustralis261]

Isn't elevators' motion inverted? It gives me a strange feeling

[@Anthony1102www]

From the video in the background Has confirmed Mat us a guys france bias and disregard Gaijin steal Thrust from EF

[@colehopper8091]

RIP the already bad R-Darter

[@Skinny6539]

skill issue

[@BetaSquadCenteral]

The r-darter is the derby, same missile different name

[@BetaSquadCenteral]

It's like aim120 vs rb99

[@colehopper8091]

The problem is that they aren't the exact same in the file so with the RB-99 when the aim-120 is changed it gets changed but the R-Darter doesn't have this commonality so when the Derby is changed the R-Darter isnt

[@colehopper8091]

And the Derby could pull more G's on realise day so they haven't always been the same

[@Арсен-э3е]

YAAAY, another mechanic to make the typhoon grind using mig29g even worse 🥳 as if playing against eurofighters, rafales, mirages, gripens and other shit wasn't already enough

[@Gerg_de]

The 9m just stops turning tho since it doesn’t actually have ins

[@Theratsnatcher]

that going to be is insane

[@dkyndo]

I feel like missiles are dumber... or am I just feeling the difference between the r dart and the aim 120! My aim 120b misses targets coming straight, because the target is like 173m from the ground! Does this really make any sense?

[@czarekpinkas6000]

I tought gajin know that fox3 are to op abd they need nerf

[@lockG1776]

Hope everything will be okay for you man🙏 Great video as always, keep your head up !

[@kaidown5941]

more aim 120 OP thank gaijin

[@leqitletriax_4811]

Does this change apply to the RB99‘s aswell since their basically AIM-120B?

[@thorishenko7678]

What about R-Darter 😢

[@sfluanrek1234]

punish all users

[@m3chgeek470]

Well thank you for the video I hope the best for your weird family stuff and happy holidays

[@greyfox78569]

That is why Fox 3 went to hell for me. I stopped using them they never hit anymore.

[@commitselfdeletus9070]

As a bunch of people have said, take some rest man. And I’m pretty sure we’re not joking this time. Life comes before KZbin

[@omarhanbali4953]

More reason not to even touch top tier fox 3 cancer

[@therocksince99]

True, you dodge a fox 3 to suddenly get fckd by two fox 3. It's a shoot and forget festival.

[@GodOfChaos_HeXa]

at this point gaijin just wants to make top tier as unenjoyable as possible so noobs will spend more money hoping to get better

[@mrbigmoneybags]

@@therocksince99 You just have to fly smart, if you’re dying to fox-3 so easily then you’re not playing right

[@Optimaloptimus]

@@mrbigmoneybagsExactly, don’t ever assume only one missile was fired at you. Always assume there’s one behind it.

[@mrbigmoneybags]

@@Optimaloptimus facts

[@xYoshiLP.]

great, so stuff like the F-16A ADF is now compleatly fucked

[@jonathanolin188]

Is f16 c bad or do i suck

[@PhantomーII]

If all missiles got better at the same time, none did.

[@Starkogi]

That’s deep.

[@SuperTrb0]

They need to work on the Darter missile, it is absolute trash compared to the other FOX 3s.

[@iboopy-fl2ic]

I don't have issues with the darter on the uk gripen, I actually prefer the playstyle it gives over the 120 and the better g pull is nice. A buff for it or giving the uk gripen the a darter short range missile would be nice

[@Grlexcan]

Bro finally got a full night of sleep

[@greenkalob529]

What about the SD-10 missile

[@thatguynk8044]

It’s identical to the pl-12, so yes it will also be affected. Same with the RVV-AE (r77 copy)

[@haloikan_]

very very veeery very similar… well, similar-ish. bruh ok

[@DevVexus]

Yo matt wat is up

[@mlgrocket]

i don't think my missiles got that memo, they still suck and 9/10 times don't track anything.

[@Professor_Ramen]

Have anymore leaks appeared from the Chinese guy yet or Na?

[@Abigail_Nikolaeva]

let the man sleep 😂

[@Professor_Ramen]

@Abigail_Nikolaeva na, he sold his soul to gaijin a while back so the snail decides who sleeps

[@nik4091]

Doesnt change anything on the aim120 because the aim120 is bugged and its radar seeker can track you even of you are behind terrain

[@mechfox]

No fox 3 can track trough terrain. The missiles turns on ins when you go behind terrain and try to predict where you will be and relock when you apear again.

[@nik4091]

@ defyn literally made a video about the aim120 tracking and going for you even when you are behind a mountain

[@nik4091]

@ its not ins go to the replay feature and you will see the radar of the aim120 track the target while the target is behind a fucking mountain

[@mechfox]

​​@@nik4091you are refering to the ins bug right? Where the Ins magigaly can know how you are turning. Even when neither plane or missile can see you (Not 100% sure if gajin fixed it but the bug is 5 moths old). But I am pretty sure it is fixed and anyway only worked only on sertain planes that could use radar trough terrain. So they would guide missiles using dl. (Or that no "meta 🤮" plane currently has that bug 🤔)

[@nik4091]

@mechfox its not fixed I regularly play sim and aim120s keep me locked and track me even if i am behind terrain but idk the name of the bug

[@akiraakizuki-115]

keep buffing missiles while there were already too many missiles in the lobby just make the game become more worse

[@jayklink851]

It sounds like a lot of players complained that they weren't getting kills. Here's the thing, top tier probably has the worst pilots in the game. Check out 5 or 6 players' service record; 60-70% of the players have 3.5-8 deaths per kill in a lot of jets. Because they paid to get there. A sad but true fact of top tier.

[@Check_Vibe0]

@@jayklink851 fr I used to be bad at 13.0+. Decided to sit down and learn the missiles, now I notch most of them with occasional blunders. But I swear like 80%+ of people see missiles and think just chaff chaff is enough. Now being able to survive longer than most under decent circumstances while the team vanishes hurts my brain.

[@crazedfeel5775]

So long story short, you cannot simply notch fox3s anymore?

[@Xidif_Tim]

great so missiles will miss more just like the aim 9m

[@mosquit-oy2vl]

Fr mat take your time if you need

[@flyinghigh8914]

I sling derbys at 10 miles or less while flying supersonic with tws in narrow scan........ if you don't get low you will blow. 😂 Kaiman420

[@Ruska_o7]

but your name is "flying high" 😂😂

[@TheRealSteve42]

Flying low is how you lose a match lol

[@vassowned7768]

Need new gamemodes top tier is fucking afwul atm

[@klng7071]

mica'nich

[@matheusac1997]

Faz pt esse video ai MT

[@Pledgus]

Matt please make sure you are alright before you do anything else. I love your content but if you be well or content, I would want you to come first!

[@Lulzwhat]

This is total bullshit... IRCCM is random and now Gaijin made last predicrable weapon random too?!?!?! WTF?!

[@Optimaloptimus]

They actually are like that irl, it’s what makes missiles like the Meteor, MICA and AMRAAM so dangerous.

[@petersamway5617]

Irccm is not random. It is 100% repeatable if done correctly for when flares work on it and when they don't. If you feel you are experiencing randomness to irccm it is you not processing the differences happening in each situation.

[@Lulzwhat]

@@petersamway5617 I've got 2 R-73 miss in a row to enemy six right yesterday while also yesterday AIM-9E got me through flares. It's totally random. There is useful tricks to increase chance to kill the enemy, but no tricks to evade a missiles besides actually dodging it with high AoA manuver(not working against high-end ones).

[@conflictclips]

Several factors affect the performance of the missile. There is no rng mechanics like in dcs. Maybe you were in a plane with a really hot engine.​@@Lulzwhat

[@angelnunez6476]

R-73 has no flare ignorance, they only lower fov to try to make the flares less noticeable. In a 6 o’clock position flares are easier for the seeker to see and R-73s are almost unflarable from the sides. Also if your engines got even aim-9bs may ignore flares.

[@insultinsultan705]

Oh great more ways to make top tier air completely horrible to play

[@adibafham9128]

😭

[@leto2582]

Unless you have USA air there’s really no point to play any other nation is just a joke 🤣

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

I like how the Fakour and Aim-54C have angle gating irl but they didn’t give it to them because the devs feel the need to gimp the F-14 and it’s missiles at every given opportunity.

[@Rorywizz]

funny joke fr

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

@Rorywizz It's not a joke.

[@jamesrules7081]

No, that is indeed a very funny joke

[@adrianfolstad4925]

America mains when their planes are not overpowered at absolutely everything:

[@4thzone697]

If they do it'll need uptiering. F-14 is hard to balance. Whilst its fox3s are worse than those of other top tiers, they're still fox3s. Thus, when I fights fox1s, it has a big advantage, even more so if angle gating is implemented

[@G3ntl3man95]

Mica need nerf….

[@holy_snail_slave]

No view in 14s crazy fall off (jk I love u)

[@thebloodnight9968]

itesting

[@lac1013]

Dude, please....use some of that KZbin money and buy yourself English lessons...please

[@aftershock1445]

Yes …because fox 3’s needed a buff.

[@MichaelMoore-mx6id]

Not a buff just more realistic now. Stop getting so close in top tier that you need to notch to defend. Just go cold and keep your distance

[@VRCrashed]

@@MichaelMoore-mx6id”going cold” and explain to me what that does to hide you from an enemy radar. There Rwr? Yes. Radar? No.

[@MichaelMoore-mx6id]

@@VRCrashed it makes you outrun the missile. In top tier you shouldn’t be close to enemies ever. I see way too many idiots still trying to belly hug the ground and create furballs. That’s not how the game should be played and it’s idiotic. When more advanced missiles and radars come multipathing will be gone and you’ll be forced to play correctly

[@filippomunari8147]

my aim 120 are still hot dogshit, the can’t hit anything to save their life, i still largely like the skyflashes more

[@Skinny6539]

skill issue

[@Th3Bishop3]

Genuinely the best radar guided missile in the game, you can't kill anything that's on you.

[@nik4091]

Rage bait

[@HERA---]

1 minute 17 views, falling off smh

[@MajorMorrozov]

so even though Mica RF/EM have a range of 50 irl they made it 31 in game. which means effectively 15 miles. So this is irrelivent.