The New MK8D Meta

[@robertork2505]

Each day that goes by I'm finding it harder and harder to believe that the GLA tires aren't better than the rollers.

[@HDRookie]

Could be possible for making slower characters faster, technically

[@robertork2505]

@@HDRookie nah there are quite a few builds that have more speed, weight and traction than teddy+rollers by only sacrificing 0,25 or 0,5 MT (worse case you still have as much MT as waluwig), all of that while gaining like an extra second of invincibility or more. I don't think they can be discarded that easily just yet

[@azurecreed9119]

They both have their strengths and weaknesses personally I like gla tires better they feel more comfortable to control

[@b-jaguar6578]

They are better, I found a combination objectly better with them

[@Ronkleboink]

Right? I use steel diver gle and it holds up fine

[@patrickbrown2416]

The kicker with the new meta is the options that can be used to be in the meta. Waluigi meta was strict in that only the extremes were valued, i.e. the stats of the best characters had little to no alternatives. In this meta, while the Rosalina kart setup is seen as the best, there are numerous alternative builds one can go with from both middleweight and lightweight characters that were left behind last meta.

[@HDRookie]

This is a pretty good take I think

[@frizzyrascal1493]

When we think about it, the Waluigi Wiggler Combo was nuts, he only had a slightly better MT stat which doesn't make 90% of players better. It truly makes a difference when playing against pro's considering you have good lines, break drift, etc. Hopefully the new updates will mess up some more META and we can use atleast one character from each weight class to stay competitive. Altough it will be tough to stay on top with a lighweight character cause of the weight difference.

[@tobyzilla2.074]

Or my advice is get good at the game

[@Rollergold4]

Nothing changes for me, still completely & utterly in love with Rosalina, still on inward drift W/The Yoshi Bike. Both Rosie and the Yoshi Bike got a buff and I get the benefit of pack camo so nothing but buffs for me in this meta.

[@madmonty4761]

You will become a meta slave

[@Rollergold4]

@@madmonty4761 Lol you don't know me very well then. Rosie could have the MT of Bowser and the speed of the babies and I wouldn't care at all. Rosa is love Rosa is life 🥰

[@madmonty4761]

@@Rollergold4 damn you have lost your mind

[@Rollergold4]

@@madmonty4761 Lol thanks for the compliment, I've been in love with her since her debut in galaxy and nothing is going to change that 🥰

[@Latias38]

Meta builds online now consists of Rosa Teddy/Ink, Yoshi Bug and maybe the occasional babies bugs and even Mario standard. The fact that theres already 4 different builds I listed instead of just "Waluigi" is already a testament to the overall diversity of online instead of just centralizing on one build. Thats not even accounting for player preferences ive seen such as Peach Teddy or Rosa Buggy.

[@eich95]

Currently using king boo + teddybuggy, feels better than anything I used pre wave 4. I did some work on the builder website and couldn't craft up anything that had more favourable stats, so I think that will end up being the meta. Feel like rosa will be the new waluigi, as for some reason people like playing as female characters. I'm gonna rock with King Boo just cuz he's my favourite of the 3 in the weight class.

[@K-05]

personally i'm also using KingBoo but with the cat cruiser and sponges, and i'm currently trying other combos to see which one i prefer but atm, boo+catcruiser is my main, as he was my main even before the update

[@b-jaguar6578]

I did

[@mau2172]

waluigi is my favorite female mario character. too bad he's out of the picture now

[@snefansson]

The flex of dodging a blue shell with a mushroom

[@matlotl]

Just glad that there's finally some variety in what's played online. It will end up with a single build that every lobby is stuffed to the brim with, but at least it's not going to be waluigi this time.

[@Saben.C-Spoon]

Maybe I can finally play waluigi without feeling guilty about it once it settles, I don't even care for meta comps I just like waluigi. Personally I lowkey kinda hate it when my favorites are meta because then I feel like I'm just "one of them" by playing them, which seems like it'll happen with Link unfortunatrly

[@HEHEHE_I_AM_A_SUPAHSTAR_WARRIA]

@@Saben.C-Spoon Stop caring about what randoms think and just play the game in the way that's fun for you. If people get upset because they think you're a meta slave that's their problem.

[@itsjundoe]

I've been using waluigi for the memes for the past 2 years. I'll never stop

[@BASEDSAKRI]

same

[@ElijahtheLeafeon]

As a mii main, I am glad this meta has happened. I am trying out now combos myself in Mario vs Luigi renegade roundup. Somehow I won a few rounds using the GLA kart, Steel wheels and a random glider

[@Zachruff]

One thing I do wonder is will we see both rosalina and link being used since their models are both quite slender? or will we end up just using one randomly. Since the only reason waluigi was used over DK and Roy was better visibility, right?

[@HDRookie]

I think Rosa will be the winner. Link is kinda nuts with his sword animations. Rosa also has the simps

[@Saben.C-Spoon]

​@@HDRookie we all know Link is still cooler though

[@HENNY_22]

​@@HDRookie just like waluigi

[@Latias38]

Waluigi was primarily selected over Roy/DK not cause of visibility, but because of having a thinner hurtbox; allowing him to navigate tight spaces better such as going inside the cars on Toads Turnpike as well as your trailing shells/bananas giving better protection

[@dizzydee4889]

anonymity can actually be a strong perk and side effect to everyone using the same build, so I can totally see a repeat of waluwiggler. although I won't be too surprised if Nintendo continues to patch for the last 2 waves

[@BreakGlassForMemes]

I wish kart customization was more like tour, where each part had both stats, and a perk. For example, getting a bigger boost from panels, starting with more coins, increasing spin boost power, etc. I feel like that way, we’d see much more variation, depending on the course.

[@italic177]

tour also has a meta, smaller characters are used because of their op acceleration and hearts are by far the best item so pretty much everyone uses pink shy guy with a small miniturbo kart

[@ComedySpike]

The battle between Rosa/King Boo teddy and Luigi Inkstriker being meta is interesting, however I do agree with the game being more friendly to casuals. I also think in regards to tts while there are negatives in there being a better combo now, or meta if we'll go by that term... there's also now room for more improvement which is a big positive imo since it doesn't kill the tts side of the game.This is my opinion don't kill me lmao.

[@HDRookie]

I agree with the TT take. It's like Season 2 now, and everything is faster. The game is objectively more friendly to casuals now - but by how much is the question. My guess is that it will only be very marginally more friendly to them. People weren't losing before because they didn't use Waluigi. People just liked to act like that was the reason. It is really apparent when you see players like Ace literally owning noobs with Shy Guy. Or Soldier becoming a MKU champion as an Inkling main. They're built different.

[@ComedySpike]

@@HDRookie Definitely agree on that.

[@Zachruff]

@@HDRookie exactly, casuals just dont understand how little the characters matter.

[@HDRookie]

@@Zachruff They only matter when skill difference is negligible I'd say. A skilled Dry Bones can beat any Waluigi.

[@LumosTerris]

Ive mained link landship ever since I've owned this game, I feel so validated now lol

[@italic177]

waluigi overhated wiggler decimated long have we waited ludwig activated

[@TurlesfromDBZ]

i dont care about the meta actually. I was experimenting with new character stats and settled for light blue Yoshi, the blue falcon, hyrule glider and the blue standart wheels. i love playing this combo, as its fast while still maintaining a decent miniturbo stat.

[@xandercivinskas3884]

I’ve been playing bowser jr with yoshi bike standard wheels and bowser kite, chose this over paper glider just for a bit more speed and I’ll be honest I’ve been keeping up teddy rosa players and king boo players no problem. I’m also one of the few players who use the inside drift bikes so that might have a bit to do with it😂

[@vondalironfist5753]

Personally, I prefer birbo/yoshi on the teddybuggy, but I also used to use walugi biddybuggy rather than the wild wiggler

[@whitekj03]

Damn Rookie you're the goat, still at it after all these years. I still see Bowser Flame Runner and think of you 😂 Thanks for the video brotha, glad to see Waluigi Wiggler gtfo.

[@HDRookie]

Appreciate the words brother

[@metarotta]

halfway expecting meta combo complaining repeating again a year from now but overall seems like a positive meta change in terms of variety

[@adij617]

i exclusively use shy guy with the pipe frame, slim wheels, and cloud glider and i must say, it's fun beating all these rosalinas :))

[@dh3913]

5:58 lmao Also I agree with everything but I wish they still didn't do this because I mean... if a game has had no balance patches for 9 years it should stay that way. Take the shy guy player you mentioned- that person overcame a meta! Super cool to see when it happens from hard work and dedication. In general I think balance patches for games that have not been updated for over 3 years shouldn't happen. Leave the meta be.

[@imnotkaiser]

Mario standard is faster than every other meta combo

[@HDRookie]

I think it is better but not the best

[@Clbull118]

I never would've expected Mario Kart of all games to be dominated by meta slaves who bully others for playing non-meta builds. No seriously, this is the kind of thing I'd expect from the World of Warcraft community...

[@HDRookie]

Nobody bullies people for using off meta stuff. It sounds like you're making stuff up to get angrier at people that are just trying to win at a video game. I don't understand how you can get mad at someone for not using something that is just worse 🤷

[@solidsoda3136]

Suprisingly my build is Luigi, cat cruiser, off road, and super glider, love it so much

[@RedForceProductions]

I absolutely despise the mk8d meta, and likely will continue to, for one reason and one reason only. The meta vehicle combos are and probably will remain fucking hideous lmao. Biddybuggy is the least offensive and roller tires make everything look stupid lmao

[@statsy150]

Yesterday I did a ton of online races with Iggy using that Pirate Ship kart that I don’t know the name of and race tires, and got a very long top 5 streak going. My online points are very low cause I don’t play a lot (1300 currently) but I was facing people that had up to 1000 points more then me, since the Americans were asleep. It’s nice to see I can still grind online on whatever I want instead of having to learn something out of my comfort zone

[@whacker01]

Maybe they’re preparing to add Wiggler so they’re trying to nerf the Wiggler car 😂

[@SteelTiamat]

I'm actually glad that we are shifting away from Waluigi. Yes, I could still win races against them using Mario or Yoshi. And I understand that when I lost it was because I was outplayed. My problem with Waluigi was the overexposure to him. I initially didn't have a problem with him, but you get sick of seeing about 10-11 players picking the same damn character every time. If someone like Rosalina or Link takes his place in the meta, then so be it. At least they are better characters than the purple man.

[@aigeneratedwauigi2696]

Its the same problem. Give it a year and you will be sick of them

[@nathanblackburn1193]

I feel that no matter how balanced the game is people will always use the "meta" build even if the actual advantage is almost negligible simply because it's still technically the "best", it's simply psychological that some people will prefer to use the optimal set up even if it doesn't make much of a difference and then some people will use it because other people are using it, unless every character vehicle combo was the exact same (which no one wants anyway) some will gravitate to what is considered the "best"

[@HDRookie]

Pretty much. There is no reason to use something with the same playstyle, but worse, outside of personal attachment

[@farbencut]

I never had the issue that there was a meta. My issue is that people spam it. The meta really should only be relevant in time trials.

[@HDRookie]

Don't know if I agree with this one. Online races are competitive and there's nothing wrong with looking for every little advantage you can get!

[@farbencut]

@@HDRookie Yeah, I totally get that, it’s just that I hate entering a lobby and everyone is using the same character-Kart Combo, when there are so many characters in the game.

[@MattyS54]

strongly on team Inkstriker here. as a former Wario Scooty main this one feels much closer to the Scooty than Teddy. i'm not convinced by Luigi/Inkstriker either i think Rosalina weight class minimum as you mentioned which still has plenty of MT. after experimenting inclined to believe heavier builds are also extremely viable with Inkstriker despite losing some MT. not the easiest to drive but very high speed ie Wario Inkstriker. depends on ones playstyle more than anything.

[@t00nedd00d]

Been switching between shy guy and iggy on teddy buggy (not the best characters, but I like em so :P)

[@Anths_art]

I kinda wish that some of the cooler looking combos were optimal 💀 rn these fisherprice ass looking combos are the best

[@thesapphiregamer1634]

Very easy fix, makes mushroom lasts longer using high mini turbo stats

[@firerush4554]

It’s kinda funny cause I started using link+teddy+rollers a couple weeks before the update. Might have to stop using Wario+mr scooty as much

[@rayandthejets]

thoughts on luigi/iggy and sports coupe? seems like they have the highest totals overall.

[@HDRookie]

It seems to be pretty solid. But again, if it isn't the best, it will get minimal use, just like the other things that aren't the best.

[@souvennir9751]

I just want Toadette to be meta

[@judge81]

Summary: Nintendo made characters and combos more balanced to promote more diversity in matches. The community will continue to all pick the one character that goes 1 in-game unit per-day faster than any other.

[@HDRookie]

They've got to make a patch where there isn't a single combo that doesn't outclass the others. The problem is that it is pretty tough to do that.

[@gremlin1092]

for years now I've been using king boo + teddy buggy for the goofy look alone i can’t believe it’s potentially becoming the meta

[@aigeneratedwauigi2696]

Now you will be hated

[@HDRookie]

Life comes up on ya fast sometimes.

[@blake5104]

Me still gonna use my same combo prewave 4 which is villager with the hylian cycle, azure rollers, and the tv glider i think

[@steveheist6426]

Haven't played online at all so take with massive salt, but Luigi // Tanooki Kart // Slim Tires have been treating me pretty well trying to get golds on 150cc Grand Prix offline

[@woomydayz]

I’ve been using bj on the wiggled bike and the tiny blue wheels and I’m doing pretty good

[@mophead3903]

As an inward drifter myself with a couple top 20 records in 200cc. I’m scared since I know I’m likely about to lose my couple year long records lmao.

[@b-jaguar6578]

Inward drift and 200cc?

[@__lillie__]

I always focus on accelaration and I find it better than a balanced build

[@__lillie__]

I love chainging turbos it's way easier than just being fast, that doesn't feel comfy idk why, I could never play a heavy character with a box shaped car

[@dylandavenport1013]

​@@__lillie__ if you use mini turbo boosts it can help with the lower speed, especially on tracks with lots of turns

[@__lillie__]

@@dylandavenport1013 Yea, also 10 coins makes such a significant change, when I barely collect any ofc I lose with that build

[@smashmaster4wiiu]

im one of the few inside drifter mains ;)

[@rickster6755]

Anyone considering the Sports Coupe? I feel like it's a pretty good choice right now on the Rosa weight characters. Sports Coupe/Standard/Cloud gets you 4 speed and MT with average handling and slightly above average traction and weight. Downside is the 3.25 acceleration though The Comet also feels strong too if you can stomach the inside drift I've been running Lemmy/Sports Coupe/Standard/Super Glider lately and it feels pretty nice too. Tbh I feel like this combo could be above average on any weight right now lol

[@italic177]

inkstriker has the same stats but smaller hitbox

[@jordanfalk8470]

@@italic177 Mach 8 / Sports Coupe have +0.25 invincibility

[@itzsabbage3830]

Wait my day one go to atv the ink striker might be meta time for me to switch to the ink buggy

[@sirducksworthythe3rd842]

Not true my combo before update was needed, was speed, now not with exact sane kart wheels kite combo, so yes some things was nerfed

[@HDRookie]

They only improved stats. Being one of the only things to not get buffed feels like a nerf, but it technically isn't since its stats are were unchanged. You can still get the same times with it as before.

[@sirmrman1]

Birdo has a +4 mini turbo stat I think, so I guess keep that in mind

[@ekamsingh1640]

Of all the characters, they gave to my least favourite, thanks game.

[@b-jaguar6578]

​@@ekamsingh1640 You can still use Yoshi,Peach or Daisy

[@zdpastaman15]

What do the Parrado distributions say?

[@jacobzack9832]

I use mario all standard cause I’m based asf

[@SRUFUS3D]

Based indeed.

[@micahzeringue984]

I thought speed and weight were the worst stats. In a game where you are constantly getting hit and stopped isn't acceleration the best? And carts with better handling get mini turbo faster, so even if you have a lot of speed Stat if you can't get mini turbo often enough, it's useless.

[@HDRookie]

You have to find that balance. Speed absolutely matters. Weight... only a little. You do get hit but there are ways to reaccelerate quicker sometimes, by charging a MT, using a mushroom, etc. Overall speed is usually more applicable than accel.

[@MrDRPEPSI]

Also think of it this way: acceleration won’t matter if you don’t get hit. Don’t overcommit to the idea of failing. Ideally, you’d be speeding along at optimal speeds

[@HDRookie]

@Mr_DRPEPSI This is true! Inevitably you will get hit. But speed will always matter as well.

[@starpower1884]

0:40 how is that bad news? that's just obvious news. no matter what you do you balance a game, there will always be a meta pick or whatever. I'm pretty sure most people's issue wasn't the fact that waluigi wiggler was meta, more so the fact that people playing off meta stuff couldn't keep up. so if you were actually looking to have fun while maybe win you couldn't. But now that the playing field is more even people can (pretty much) pick whatever they want and have fun while maybe getting some wins online.

[@HDRookie]

I don't believe this change was enough for people who couldn't keep up before. They weren't losing because of stats before. That being said, we still haven't seen one combo settled upon yet. So people are going to feel like they're losing less to an overpowered combo, at least for now.

[@GoldenYoshi1]

Rosalina is gonna be the new Waluigi basically? And Teddy Buggy will be the new Wild Wiggler?

[@HDRookie]

Too early to tell. I have a strong hunch it could be most common though. Rosalina / Teddy is more like Waluigi / Biddy. Inkstriker compares to Wiggler much more. It is not a 1 to 1 comparison though, as Wiggler had better handling to Inkstriker. This may sway things over to Teddy a little more. We'll have to wait and see.

[@b-jaguar6578]

Use Yoshi and GLA tires, thank me later

[@thehexofficial]

2:18 how did you dodge that blue shell

[@HDRookie]

Timed the mushroom properly (:

[@geo3317]

With the teddy buggy having a miniturbo buff, wouldn't waluigi on the teddy buggy be the new meta? Same speed as the wiggler but with better miniturbo

[@b-jaguar6578]

No, every one got buffed but Waluigi and heavier characters

[@geo3317]

@b-jaguar6578 Well yeah but they were buffed so that they can compete against the heavy weights. I still think heavy weights can still be somewhat viable but on the buffed kart builds

[@b-jaguar6578]

@@geo3317 Somewhat viable: Yes The new meta: No

[@tobyzilla2.074]

I am a decently good player in Mario Kart wii and I race against funky Kong flame runners all the time an I don't play as funky Kong i play as my Mii and i'm still able to beat them

[@HDRookie]

Yeah, meta combo is overrated by casual players. There's just no reason not to use it if your main goal is winning, since it does things better than other setups.

[@skarloeyisyoung]

Don't care tho XD I'm gonna do yes try my Toad, Varmit, Rollers, Cloud Glider Settup XD

[@lighthouse620]

Don’t care what the meta is I’m never using anything other than daisy and city tripper

[@9-VoltGaming]

We need to test more medium characters, I saw people saying Mario on standard Kart is really good and I haven't seen many people testing Peach, Luigi and Daisy, I think they may have potential (just maybe, I haven't tested enough either)

[@b-jaguar6578]

Mario is good, normal tires are good, standart kart is not

[@nebulaxis7849]

Do we know if any inside drifting bikes are viable now? Or close to viable

[@HDRookie]

Inside drifting bikes are insanely good. They might've been better than Waluigi Wiggler even before the buffs. There are just very few people who have mastered them. They are more than viable.

[@woomer8794]

Viable, they have a good niche in the scene.

[@5742_]

all i care about is that daisy is now meta B)

[@HDRookie]

watch the video halc. got some news to break to ya.

[@5742_]

@@HDRookie i watched it and i still consider daisy to be mega bc she is daisy

[@sanaki_gamer2026]

@@5742_ Daisy Fans unite.

[@Gaelacra12]

Omg rk

[@Cope.247]

When you realize any setup is good if you’re good enough at the game 😂

[@TPLS2]

Bro just came out here to tell everyone that they’re a skill issue when losing to all Waluigi lobbies.

[@HDRookie]

If Ace can win with Shy Guy against top players nobody has an excuse 🙂

[@connor9568]

It’s true, you can win with every combo in worldwides with good track knowledge and good item usage

[@woomer8794]

@@connor9568 Thats what I've been saying but everyone always ignores it!