The NEW MOC 12 HAS TOO MUCH HP For F2P Players In Honkai: Star Rail!

[@Faudiedauw]

Yo Dauwdies, how are my F2P Brothers & Sisters doing with all the new enemies? Make sure to join the discord -> discord.com/invite/rvC6EFQBzQ

[@Satyr42]

I could clear it, but it does make me very worried. HSR is slowly turning into a P2W game. I also really do not like the idea I may have to replace nearly my entire roster with new characters from 3.0 onwards. That is what happened from 2.0 onward as well. And while I like the new characters, I do not like the fact that old characters are being faded out so fast. This is getting out of hand and Hoyo shills are doing the exact same thing they did with Genshin. Relentless defense of the game to drown out and shout down all the criticism.

[@MrVoldross]

I absolutely despise the narrative of turning this into a "f2p" can't keep up situation. It assumes f2p players don't have 5s characters to help their account. Sure brand new players will have a problem with the new MOC, but legitimately the biggest difference I noticed was in terms of elements matching. I pretty much only Herta and yanqing to deal with ice, so I had to break up how I cleared those. Aside from that it was just a matter of trying to take full advantage of the buff instead of just brute forcing it

[@VictorWulf]

"Just get the new characters and stop complaining". "The game is evolving" "Don't get the characters you like, get the characters you need" ... Well that's what these kind of arguments lead the game to.

[@maxdekudess3354]

*Gets firefly* *clears moc and bosses with ease* *a few patches go by* *can't do shit without ruan mei*

[@みっこちやみ]

I just like how it took me 2 cycles to finish last MOC and now it took me 6 cycles to complete the MOC, the HP inflation was crazy

[@Carnaj90]

Last MoC I couldn't 0-cycle floor 11 but could true 0-cycle floor 12. Now it's the opposite. Took 2 full cycles for JUST the banana monkeys. 1 cycle per phase of it's 5 MILLION HP!!!

[@belleboni2016]

This is sad. The HP inflation is getting out of hand recently. Imagine vertically investing to your favourite characters/teams (getting Eidolons and Sig LC) but still not enough to 3* MoC. On the other hand, meta characters/teams can 3* while being E0S0. Crazy.

[@Karzakus]

I'm an whale, I literally run e6 firefly and e6 boothill, and even I was surprised with how much HP these guys have. I took a break from the game but beforehand I had absolutely no problem 0 cycling both sides of MOC 12. With this new one though, I actually had to manual my boothill team and my firefly team took like 3 cycles to kill. If that doesn't say that the HP numbers are getting insane, I don't know what else would.

[@nikonFB1988]

I don't have E6, but most of my units are "meta" so they have E1-2 and sig and i barely 0 cycled 12 and couldn't do any better than 3 cycle for 11. Might be dropping the game within a year if it continues with massive HP inflation. HP inflation is what killed Argenti as a unit. If his tier1 ult can't 1 shot mobs, his kit becomes useless and that happened so fast all because of HP inflation.

[@eherden2169]

To me this is the Choir Trio but tankier and less annoying. Im a light spender whith no E1 on anybody and most of the time have to manually play the last level in each game mode. In MoC most of the time I finish floor 12 in 7 to 8 cycles, this time was no different.

[@thedg2531]

⁠@@nikonFB1988nah fr I was saying I’d drop hsr soon in another comment section and I was getting swarmed with butthurt comments like “oH sO eVeRyOnE iS sUpPoSeD to 0 CyCle?” Like no bro I won’t be able to use my favorite character at all in a couple months if I don’t whale…?

[@ninjaraccoon9914]

@@thedg2531 i dont whale and i still use Kafka a lot and she does the job pretty fine. Still within 10 cycles

[@Mindontcompute]

Been spamming this everywhere. Making your whole pre robin lineups useless is diabolical. Benching the game after fugue if this continues

[@foreverconfusedandkindacute]

Lol how r yall just now seeing the shameless rate at which hsr is leveling up the difficulty of their content? Plus the ever changing meta?

[@pooyayaddasht2419]

Plus not enough free pulls each patch.

[@zzzy1934]

​@@pooyayaddasht2419literally 95+ almost every patch

[@yulfine1688]

more hp isn't difficulty.. its just bad design.. as for meta changing yeah it changes every few months, granted earlier before break there was only 1-2 team comps either hyper carry or dot.. and hypercarry was the only way to go for the most part. Now we have fua, break, hypercarry is getting buffed big time with sunday but they still shred regardless mostly jingliu does actually and dhil, we have summon meta coming maybe an hp meta, break will still exist and fua will.

[@luanzisseable]

To me, the problem is Super Break. Because for the challenge to keep up with the power of Super Break, it has to be that much health. I mean, for everyone I know that used the superbreak DPSs, clearing this moc was possible

[@ninjaraccoon9914]

@@luanzisseable i agree on this

[@yinndragon7988]

I love hsr, but recently been let down with the story and this now, although i am hopeful for the future.

[@luanzisseable]

@@yinndragon7988 i think your comment translate much of what the community is feeling right now

[@backpackpepelon3867]

That banana arc is just pure azz. Its not even the type of story that make you asleep, its straight up cringe to read.

[@malerror7569]

At 12:20 if you ulted here with Dan before they drained your energy I think you might have cleared it here 3-stars by the skin of your teeth. Your Dan Ult did 11% of the bosses health at 11:00, and at 13:36 you had exactly 11% health left after your 3-skill attack before the turn changed. Granted I'm not sure the exact buffs that were active at these times though so it is still a toss up if you could have with that run. Plus its pretty much luck of the draw on who gets the extra energy from the tvs so doing that consistently seems impossible

[@nikonFB1988]

Even as a whale, this one was a struggle because I could barely 0 cycle 12 and I could only get 3 cycles on floor 11. If this is all they're gonna do going forward without providing new mechanics I might consider dropping the game. Pretty uninspired if you ask me. I plan on cutting back my spending in 3.0 and beyond until the Fate collab and if by that point my account can't clear endgame with every 2.X unit with their sigs and several with E1-2 then I will most likely drop the game. I hope it doesn't come to that, but constant HP inflation w/ nothing else is terrible game design

[@ninjaraccoon9914]

Dropping the game cause you want easy 0 cycles? Oh lord. Are there any rewards for 0 cycling ? No . Does the game say that you need to 0 cycle it? No. Why are people getting upset about not being able to 0 cycle it? All it matters is that you 3 star it and you have 10 cycles to do it

[@nikonFB1988]

@@ninjaraccoon9914 hey, i know your reading comprehension isn't the best, but I want you to read what I wrote and tell me where I said I wanted easy 0 cycles and if I couldn't do that I would quit the game. Go ahead and highlight that for me, would ya?

[@SynovialHonkai]

@@ninjaraccoon9914 there are different kinds of fun and it is one of these. And if for them, the fun in this game is 0-cycling, who are you to shit on that? huh?

[@ninjaraccoon9914]

@@nikonFB1988 why would you drop the game then ? When 3 cycles is still good ?

[@ninjaraccoon9914]

@@SynovialHonkai sure go for it. But that does not mean that HP inflation is a problem. I do not think that we were meant to 0 cycle it anyway.

[@entropyembrace]

It does look like you're losing a lot of damage to the TVs draining DHILs energy. Maybe you can do better if you focus on preventing them from draining energy by breaking them or flipping to their happy channel. Or at least use DHILs ult before it gets drained away. Looks tough though since DHIL uses energy and you don't have an advance 100% to really hard control the timing of the fight.

[@kda4636]

HSR is making me want to play Genshin and Wuthering again, this is not a good thing btw.

[@AaronAnkka]

i can 100% recommend building Gallagher. I have Aventurine and Huohuo on my account and i tend to use Gallagher over them because he is just that good! Of course Lingsha is even better but i wouldn't know since i dont have her... Even used Gallagher in this moc against the television enemies with Rappa!

[@trunglequoc542]

I don't know man. I just put on auto battle, tab out for a video or two then back in. If 3 star, cool, if not, shuffle some other characters and repeat until 3 star or period end. Didn't even touch floor 8 and above until 2.0 as a f2p day one player. While people where pulling e2 dhil, blade, jingliu, etc, I just pull mono quantum and save for the Mei/Yae equivalent.

[@0v_x0]

that new boss is rough for characters that aren't pure AoE. They all share the same health pool, so not being able to hit all of them hard or frequently really slows it down. 5 million HP between the two health bars. Acheron,Jade and Rappa can destroy it, when others struggle. My E2 Acheron 0-cycled it easier than the choir cuz of the 5 targets, but I also tried it with Dr Ratio with Jiaoqiu and Robin and managed 3 cycles (I have sig LCs and support eidolons tho) but it felt even slower. When a 200k hit doesn't even drain 1/10 of one HP bar. I feel for the F2P crowd, but I do wish we could toggle eidolons so that ppl like me can experience the extra challenge sometimes.

[@BS-ff8oq]

In general if hp inflation continues at this current rate it will be a problem. However, i do think the current pools for this MOC are fair. Started the game in mid july 2024 and only bought the $5 express pass and I was able to 8 cycle last MOC and 11 cycle this MOC. I think that is pretty fair expectation considering the age of the account and that i've purposely been hoarding tickets still, now with 340 saved up. If i had not gotten the $5 express pass i would have ~270 tickets still. That's easily enough for 1 and most likely 2 premium units- rappa OR lingsha would have guaranteed clearing side 2 for me. So, an F2P player who uses their tickets wisely should easily be able to clear.

[@yuorion3056]

It took me 10 with Feixiao + Firefly/Gallagher comp, all e0s0

[@luanzisseable]

me too, same team

[@ninjaraccoon9914]

​@@luanzisseableme with my feixiao and Rappa teams needed 5 cycles. And i am F2P . Skill issue?

[@mirei9225]

@@ninjaraccoon9914 depends tbh, banana boss is made for rappa, it's quite unfriendly towards non erudition characters (besides acheron).

[@ninjaraccoon9914]

@@mirei9225 i tried again with firefly on banana boss . Had 24 cycles left . Still good enough. I dont see this HP inflation as a problem. More like challenging.

[@yuorion3056]

@@ninjaraccoon9914 are they all f2p lcs

[@irena4929]

Pull who you like mfs when they cant even 3* moc 12

[@sirnomnom5346]

What’s the point of 3* moc 12? Pull who you like for more personal enjoyment and miss a measly 60 jades. Seems like a fair trade off.

[@irena4929]

​@@sirnomnom5346 but are they really enjoying than complaining about hp inflation and powercreep? ive already seen a bunch of vid just from this moc alone lmao (and it also had a last second nerf in moc too btw)

[@sirnomnom5346]

@@vermilion6966 what? Play it for the story. Even though you can watch it some people just like to experience things for themselves. Like you can watch people skydive but many want to do it for themselves.

[@nikonFB1988]

I agree with what you're saying if they care about endgame, but I will say as a whale this HP inflation is beyond ridiculous. I might be dropping the game if this level and speed of hp inflation continues into 3.X. I understand you have to make stronger units to sell, but they don't have to be bonkers to justify doing the same to the enemies and make old DPS COMPLETELY irrelevant.

[@sirnomnom5346]

@@irena4929 Those people who claim to “pull for fun” then complain about difficulty aren’t really pulling for fun. Those who really pull for fun should understand that pulling their favorite character could mean they won’t have the most meta team. They need to understand that if their favorite character isn’t Feixiao level then they won’t beat the game so easy.

[@anibotic]

May be it was luck that I lost Sparkle 50/50 on rerun that let me get Fei(wind DPS need) & I liked Rappa so much that I completely destroyed all my warp plans as f2p to get her. These 2 ladies have immensely helped me not to mention they have their BiS relics, if not for them, I won't even have been able to get past floor 10.

[@JMike-bq6rl]

Missing 80 jades coz you didnt 3 star the latest content VS Spending 150+ worth of Pulls to get the Latest "Catered" unit which may only be relevant (depending on the role) for about 2-3 Patch resets. And everytime you get someone new, you also HAVE TO BUILD THEM for about 1 month worth of preparation "each". Yeah, not worth malding over.

[@yulfine1688]

no but if they continue to do this, they will end up killing their game outside of china. .and considering i've seen even some chinese players bring it up as an issue.. the biggest mistake is upsetting their cn base.. because the cn base is the main whales

[@RayearthXGaming]

they need to fix this is unfair for f2p and new players. is really frustrating and the result is players quitting

[@gamerhero9559]

I thought I was losing my touch but it was this MoC that was out of touch...Seriously? Hoolay and Aventurine?

[@sayansikder9430]

Well I nailed it with acheron and ff as f2p But with other teams.....it's pain It took 7 cycles

[@ninjaraccoon9914]

Why is it pain ? You max starred . It is that important to you that you need to 0 cycle it? You do not get any rewards for it

[@sayansikder9430]

no it's like with meta its so easy......but with other characters like blade, seele, etc you need to know what you are doing

[@RerunBladeIPayForE6S5]

Nah just not enough reruns i need that blade easy money swipe swipe power up

[@Doom-fx8rs]

i cleared the last moc and this one in 10 cycles i don't think i will be able to clear the next one

[@wikidpsycokilla]

It isnt that bad. I easily got an 8 cycle clear with dotcheron and Lingsha+Jade superbreak. No Firefly, Feixiao, JQ, Rappa, Robin or Aventurine. Only Acheron and Jade have their sig, and e1 Jade is my one and only limited eidolon. I dont pull/build teams that are bis for any one dps, I build teams that are flexible and can switch out members depending on boss weakness and mechanics. For me this moc was actually easier than the last one against Hoolay.

[@imalone4764]

Poor imbibitor even with 86/209 its crazy stats, he so suck now

[@peterbabicki8252]

Rappa deletes that second node, and from what I can tell FF does decent enough too. I haven't tried with Himeko yet, but I'm curious to see how she would perform.

[@belleboni2016]

I used E1 Himeko with Iron Cavalry and Forge set, Ruan Mei, HMC, Gallagher. They're all 160+ SPD and it took me 4 cycles.

[@peterbabicki8252]

@@belleboni2016 That's actually pretty good.

[@windowcatt]

Acheron is also very good for the 2nd node

[@yulfine1688]

its because enemies hp is linked so rappa because multi hit on ult and aoe.. she shreds shit and firefly does as well..

[@usmansubhani7482]

Or more like if you don’t have a limited break team. Already got Rappa so it was a breeze.

[@mismismism]

The powercreep is too much. The hyper focus on break and FUA made the HP go up such an absurd amount. It really feels like you need specific teams to stand a chance at getting 3 stars because the top teams can just output so much more damage than the rest baseline. The devs need to chill out with making busted teams and just make units for underperforming teams to bring them up to a good level. It feels horrible.

[@MrVoldross]

You can literally run whatever team you want, but you need to be mindful of synergy and the MoC buff. His DoT dealt mediocre DMG with their attacks, which is probably due to using the same gear from when they released instead of updating to a set that better fits the fight and that team comp felt super forced. Also, he was literally using multiple 5s from a year ago, but somehow only had 1 released in the last 10 months on his team. Seems like he was trying to push an agenda about f2p rather than being honest. He managed to not roll on a single DPS in 10 months, but has a lingshas from the last patch? Yeah let's be real, he should have a break character by now since 3 released in 6 months and even Acheron has already had a rerun

[@smokahontasinvictus8112]

This is True even my Veteran account struggle 😂 definitely wont be able to zero cycle

[@ninjaraccoon9914]

Are you supposed to 0 cycle? Does the game gives you rewards for 0 cycling ? It does not. So i don't know why people are so mentally focused on 0 cycling when you get nothing for it

[@beefnoodlegaming]

​@@ninjaraccoon9914 it's a challenge and its fun to make a solution for it

[@noice9193]

there is no reward people just think being able to 0 cycle makes you a better player

[@FriedDoggy]

​@@ninjaraccoon9914 Because some people enjoy it? Wtf is your problem with what other people enjoy their games. By your logic why do speedrunners exist they should just do the bare minimum to clear.

[@ninjaraccoon9914]

@@FriedDoggy because what i mean is . As soon as people can't 0 cycle anymore, they blame powercreep and HP inflation. Which imo is absolutely ridiculous.

[@AloyImpact]

I havent seen the new flr 12 yet…this will be interesting

[@chescaaldea2449]

I somehow did not struggle in this moc with only two e0s1 character the rest are e0s0

[@Xterminatorr]

I tried to warn people about this months ago.

[@elpatron3949]

Man it isn’t that bad of course you cannot expect too do good on mic if you aren’t an advanced player only thing I ever spent money on was battle pass 2 or 3 times and I 33 star mov

[@Kidyungblack12]

This isnt really related to the video particularly but why does everyone call it auto attack instead of basic. Seems to be a community wide thing.

[@UC3M9QmuafgJ7GCcEF2HDNQA]

I used to play league of legends for years. I habitually call basic attacks in all games as auto attack

[@Kidyungblack12]

@@UC3M9QmuafgJ7GCcEF2HDNQA That actually makes a lot of sense one of my friends at work who mainly played League because he grew up on PC did the same thing. Never clicked for me till now.

[@sha_nkz69]

as pure f2p .somehow i can auto this time unlike previous moc.

[@toufiq309]

looks like its a massive uphill battle for f2p players will never achieve. this isnt other gacha where you can compensate with good skills. i think its time for me to drop this game.

[@zzzy1934]

Im f2p and have cleared all content full star ever since 1.2

[@dudemetslagroom8065]

Idn gonna be a bit controversial but missing out on 3 stars in all of MOC is not the end of the world (literally 1 day worth of jades at like 60) Neither is not being able to 0 cycle. (Heck you get a whole 10 to achieve the same). This is just end game content if that is all you care about on the game as opposed to the gameplay, cool interactions, the story and the charactera.... Then what are you really playing for?

[@saikeno_4228]

Can you do moc 11?

[@Xtraflossy]

Most F2P don't even get to 12. I was pretty much F2P for a long long time, never beat 11 if I recall correctly. Sure you can reply that you beat 12 free to play but let's be real, the casual player it was never a floor they got too.

[@MrVoldross]

Pretty wild to come to that conclusion after trying a single team comp once. Your damage was definitely not that good and you even admitted to having not tried different gear sets to optimize the fight. MoC is supposed to be the premier endgame content and perks are reacting as though it should be a 1-0 cycle walk in the park that they can clear on auto battle. Maybe try using characters with high break potential to take advantage of the buff, update your gear to do the same, use a different team composition rhat actually uses characters released in the calendar year of 2024 (other than just the healer 😮‍💨) and honestly give up on kafka as a whole team (its not DoT, its just kafka plus any DoT user and ita been subpar since 2023). Maybe as a f2p try pulling on newer dps instead of just supports, maybe run a dual dps team, try something different before saying the health bars are too big. F2p doesn't mean you're teams lack damage, it just means you have to be selection about who you pull on and be mindful about what your account needs. Don't act like we forgot about your pulling on dhil for eidolons instead of getting a new character 😉

[@Zoeila]

its not that hard. the problem is people are trying to brute force the fight and ignoring the floor mechanic. you can focus on breaking the TV's to build up hits and the floor effect will do a lot of heavy lifting.

[@yulfine1688]

its hard for anything not a meta team comp.. so thats a lie litterally everyone is talking about it.. including some chinese players.

[@Zoeila]

@@yulfine1688 i used dot + aven with trend and fei/jade/robin/lingsha and 1 shot 3 stars. neither would be considered meta comps.

[@fallen8293]

Why not build Gallagher? You didn’t even pull any character from 2.0 to 2.5 so you have all the resources

[@marianbeczkowski4390]

So you need to play f2p for year to clear ?? 😂😂😂 P2w hoyoshit

[@mrpyrostorm3165]

HP isnt the problem. High HP is cause and effect. The problem is the supports, moc buff and new gear. As time moves forward, HP must also move at the same pace as your player power, otherwise whos going to pull? So no i dont think HP is the problem.

[@luanzisseable]

I think it is a good thing. We, old players, we need content... I'm a f2p player, not easy for me as well, moc 11 was really hard, but yeah... Using e0s0 firefly already makes thing a lot easies just hiting for 500k without any hard times or insane investment. Following meta and using superbreak is basically what makes this viable for f2p

[@flip2flop971]

as a free to play, nah its not hard, the second half of 12 run firefly team with breeze

[@elijah1931]

Key word: skill issue

[@NekrosWorld]

Idk what ppl talking about I finished it 3 star auto while playing genshin and I’m f2p didn’t see the fight

[@ninjaraccoon9914]

I am F2P and i 3 starred it just fine. I had 25 cycles left. Good enough.

[@oksiri-c9b]

Good for you..? Doesn't change the fact this game is leaning towards the extreme meta where playing with older characters that you like is almost impossible. You're just embarrassing yourself by bringing up an unnecessary flex on a meta discourse.

[@hugedeal8611]

If you are smart with your money or poor, you shouldn’t be playing gotcha games, gotcha games or something for people that have extra money or just stupid with their money

[@henchmenforhiregameplays5228]

I Have no problem with the Monkey Boss My Rappa Kill that Mofo so Fast

[@yulfine1688]

yeah because rappa is designed for this fight.. for anything else they struggle.. so a single unit is required to complete it is pretty bad a unit that will be hot garbage after 3.0 same for firefly most likely and break units in general will probably fall off..