The NEW Tamron 70-180mm 2.8 vs Sony 70-200 2.8 GM| How good is the Tamron really?

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[@MannyOrtiz]

*UPDATE- I’ve had multiple people including very established photographers reach out to me and say they have the same issue with their Sony 70-200 2.8| I want to make something very clear- I’ve owned the Sony 70-200 GM for 2 years and have used it for portraits, weddings and commercial jobs. It’s worked great for me but for some weird reason, mine has been back focusing on occasion. This doesn’t mean they all do it but mine is and it has never been dropped. Also, this doesn’t mean that their isn’t a bad batch of Tamron lenses out there either. I already see comments of GM owners getting defensive so this is for you

[@RealRaynedance]

Don't you know you're not allowed to give rightful criticism on the Internet and give your personal experience?

[@anthonyc1883]

@@RealRaynedance lol Because if you do, you're immediately labeled a "hater." So obviously, Manny's a hater of the 70-200 GM! lol

[@omaralexander7406]

Manny Ortiz Do you think firmware updates have been affecting performance of certain lenses negatively? I feel like I’ve experienced the same with certain lenses. A certain lens has worked perfect for a longtime and out of nowhere it back focuses. Idk just a thought.

[@anthonyc1883]

@@omaralexander7406 Uh-oh, I had better check mine. Just had an update done at an in-store event with a Sony rep (hadn't even realized there was a new one. Thought I was already up to date). Haven't used my 70-200 yet.

[@joshmilteer4234]

I have a Sony 70-200 f2.8 and I have back focusing issues all the time photographing basketball. There's also an issue where I can only zoom out to 195mm... Not 200. I contacted Sony and they are willing to fix it but not during the lockdown.

[@alsteiner7602]

"Sony has the advantage in affordable lens selection for Full Frame" Boy who thought anyone would EVER say that? We've come a long way in a few years

[@49Ibanez]

And affordable bodies, there's some variation of the A7 available at almost every price point from like $500 used to $5000

[@V4D2]

it was just a matter of time.. It was sort of common knowledge that both Tamron and Sigma would jump on the Sony Alpha wagon as best as they could. Having said this..hehe.. i'm still with you on this... hehe Rewind the clock a couple of years and one would be dissing Sony for this exact reason. :P

[@jozosaravanja1626]

@Gap some, some are just amazing for price. Of course budget depends from person to person. But some of their lenses are great value for money.

[@kevinharding1181]

@Gap No it doesn't. Go to Brian Smith's website and check out the full list of NATIVE mount lenses. 185 at last count (inc. Cine) and covering every budget. How many do you need ?

[@MannyOnePointFour]

And this is exactly why you left the Sony Ambassador Program. Respect to you Manny 👊🏽

[@ajalbetjr]

Ah-h-h GREAT POINT Manny Sandhu, I had completely overlooked that!!

[@_cjmccullough]

I literally just wait until Manny Ortiz, Jerod Polin, and Gerald Undone make a review and then i can easily make or break my purchase.

[@RockyMaiviaMiami]

Facts

[@artmaltman]

Also Dustin Abbott 😊

[@black-christmusikent2893]

Yes!

[@allend6137]

Don’t forget about Christopher Frost...

[@_cjmccullough]

Adam D i used to watch him often but he only reviewed canon and Sony he needs to buy some other cameras to do a real test. I do like his reviews but he’s a bit biased.

[@jontyeverton2639]

Thank you for giving us good Content during this time Manny ! We appreciate you!

[@houstoninternationalmedia3408]

Got both the 17-28 and 28-75 and love them. Been craving a 70-200 forever and was waiting on this lens forever. So I knew your video was coming soon! Currently waiting on mine to ship! 👌🏾

[@ajalbetjr]

Frankly I'm stunned; it looks like Tamron learned some lessons from their 28-75 ( which is pretty nice but the Sigma's FE 24-70, just WOW), and has stepped up a level... I now want to rent this and try it - Great Job as Always Manny!!

[@Crob3621]

I've been waiting for this review! Wasn't going to buy it until you put the stamp of approval on it...Thanks!

[@Schroeder3000]

i learned that in a sales training some years ago. if you buy something new, you are only happy with your purchase if someone approves you! and that sounds right :D

[@ogonzilla]

Production transitions and sound effects on point!!

[@steveteare3865]

One other big advantage of the Tamron: It's black! Much less conspicuous. Speaking personally - I will never buy a white 'hey look at me and my big white lens'.

[@TheVisualVanguard]

Underrated comment! When I was shooting canon I wound up buying a tamron 70-200 over the canon equivalent for this very reason!!

[@VLorenzoStone]

But it looks like a gun.

[@CO8848_2]

Exactly. Never gonna work as a parent with those ridiculous white lenses.

[@TheJurciks]

Little bit ridiculous to say the least. There isn't much options for big zooms, therefore you buy what you can. Personally I'm considering to buy Sony 70-200 F4 not because it's white and I want to show off but because it's a very good native lense.

[@steveteare3865]

@@TheJurciks If it's good for you - that's great! I said "speaking personally" because I was expressing my personal choice - and I didn't mean to imply that anyone that chooses it wants to show off, more that, if I'm carrying expensive gear in an unfamiliar neighbourhood, I prefer to be as inconspicuous as possible.

[@GastonShutters]

The back focusing issue is real. I was shooting an event and had this problem. Making me change to my 24-70mm which wasn’t ideal. I’m planing to make a video this week perhaps as I thought I was the only one with this issue. Keep it up Manny.

[@Whiskey_Hunter]

Your reviews are so clear and real. Think I will go buy this one today !! Cheers man

[@Athiril]

Waiting for the Tamron 175-575mm now

[@jeshurunroshan]

Same lol

[@johansmolinski]

Why not the 0-infinity f/0 macro pancake?

[@momchilyordanov8190]

Tamron completed the "trinity" now. For so much less money. Amazing.

[@fwfeo]

It would've made switching to Sony the easiest decision if these came out three years ago! If I mainly shot wedding and events, I'd buy 17-28/2.8 & 70-180/2.8 in heart beat, but I shoot real estate, so 28-75/2.8 is enough f/2.8 for me!

[@DE-zb2sj]

Well Manny, first you caused me to switch from Canon to Sony and now you just saved me a bunch of money on my next lens purchase. Thanks and please keep up the great work!

[@LeeZavitz]

Looks way good. It's crazy what Tamron is putting out for the price

[@margaretannhalleck1326]

The great thing about Tamron trinity is that all 3 lenses have the same 67 mm thread size!

[@RigelFilms]

big facts! I have the 28-75 and 17-28. About to buy this 70-180 for my 2nd camera for wedding lol

[@shahaf6191]

Great video! Thank you for that! Love your content, actually spent all the night watching your videos

[@JoMatt_M]

I’ve been waiting for this review! Thank you.

[@mybudinesd4545]

I like your work on KZbin and IG keep on doing your thing you’re killing it.

[@KaterinaGketi]

Impressed!So excited with your video and tips👌

[@n-kphotographyandstudio8774]

Nice review Manny, Sony has been nice enough to share with Tamron some of their proprietary info instead of having Tammy reverse engineer it, add newer technology since the sony 70-200 2.8; plus cutting off 20 mm allowed for a smaller form factor. This will be a good to great lens for when you don't want to heave a howitzer around yet have a form and weight factor similar to a 70-200 f/4 . The black color is more discreet. Great 'in action' comparitives on your part , lets see how they match up to what is found on the "bench" tests. My copy is already on order.

It could be that you're getting back focus on the gm 70-200mm because the focus ring is active even in af modes, some people have thought they had a focus problem when in fact they were accidentally moving the linear focus ring while shooting

[@RudyVisuals]

Awesome review Manny. Gotta say I have been wanting a 70-200 for years now but this has completely changed the game. For that price, I expect the Tamron to sell like hot cakes!

[@desertoo23]

This is the lens I will buy as soon as this pandemic thing finishes ! Excellent video.Indeed Tamron has been doing such a fantastic job. I bought the 28-75 and I love this lens.

[@SUDEEPSFILMSbySudeepGowda]

Thanks for the review!!! Was waiting for this!!! Really I am confused which one to buy!!!

[@oraneto]

what a sensational video! thanks for putting two very good lenses side by side, I took a lot of doubts. Thanks and keep up your videos, they are amazing! for more videos like this! From Brazil

[@GaryJahman]

Bruhhh you left the lens outside in the rain! Luckily it's weather sealed! Love your dog just waiting for you guys haha And your wife, again thank her please for helping you out. Tamron is indeed doing their thing man. Going to get this lens too. I really hope they release some fast affordable primes too.

[@Classiq21]

I own the Sony 70-200 f/2.8 as well as Tamron’s other 2 Sony lenses. Very impressed with the quality and performance of Tamron’s offerings. I like that the Sony lens has IS in the lens itself which helps a ton because the Sony lens is just so heavy! I prefer having IS in the lens in addition to inside the body.

[@kyokuten]

Very good review Manny, I've been thinking of getting the 70-200 G master, now I think I'll settle for the Tamron and add a bit to the rest and get the Sony 24mm f1.4 G

[@Andreas_Reuter]

Great review - I highly enjoyed it. Last fall, I was considering the Sony 70-200 but in the end bought the 100-400 GM which I am very happy with. Now I'm having my eyes on the Tamron. Great value for money and pretty lightweight...

[@sadenb]

100-400 is a great lens .

[@rvg1997]

Really nice comparison. I am more into long zoom lenses and hope that Tamron will do a version of their APS-C 16-300 mm for FF with great sharpness on both ends.

[@obayedh]

Great lens for the price. I got it Manny my friend! Much thanks for the hands on review. Please take care and stay safe.

[@bunnaanginung6955]

Tamron 70-180 mm will definitely be my next purchase! Thanks for this

[@f0t0b0y]

Pretty sure everyone in here is glad your off that ambassador program. 🙌🏼👏🏼 I cant wait for you to get the R5 and R6 to work. Announcement on Monday!

[@marieschaller4560]

So, would you say this lens is a good choice for a versatile portrait/event lens? Strongly considering this lens over a prime portrait lens, like the 85mm (full disclosure, I am just a hobbyist, breaking in to portraits). Your reviews are awesome - thank you Manny!

[@AndyDay]

Hey Manny, great vid as usual. Quick question for you: any spherical aberration on the Tamron when shooting bright whites in high contrast conditions?

[@leifnilsen6107]

Excellent review my friend. I'm a huge fan of yours. Thank you very much.

[@RandmVision]

already pre ordered but nice to see a straight comparison between the two

[@armandochiu2158]

Great review Manny! Love the reviews. Was the testing done with the A7iii? Thank you!

[@francissosingindyrcworldga8936]

Thanks for the review! I am definitely going with the Tamron now

[@omarhani]

One comment about the aperture blades you mentioned, the out-of-focus renderings shouldn't have anything to do with the number of blades while shooting at wide-open, simply because they aren't 'seen' (they're fully open ya know).

[@khoatro]

Great informative video as always. Been waiting and waiting for them to finally release this lens. I was curious how is the focus against backlit background, like sunset behind a model with a strobe? My Tamron 28-75 for sure isn't as fast or accurate as the Sony 24-70 in bright backlit situations. Also maybe compare it with a better copy or a 24-70 Sony if you have access to one. Thanks!

[@habeshaswholift6731]

First of all amazing content, enjoy your work...i had to sub. i recently got the a7iii, first camera ever btw, and wondering if you would recommend one lens that is best for the buck. Thank you for sharing your work and thoughts

[@radoslavkrouchev1796]

Thanks for the review Manny! I have a question. Would you sell the GM and get the Tamron? Especially considering size and weight difference.. thanks!

[@ciwanski]

Love your honest reviews man.

[@user-jw2sc2sh6k]

Like many other subscribers, I also hope both Manny you and Jared going well. From S.Korea

[@Fexone718]

First off thank you ! Leaving the lens out.... classic. Ty sir !

[@sux0r]

another great video! Thinking of getting the Tamron trinity set.

[@woseleyphotography]

Love the shoot..it maybe sometime before this lens come out .. I have an 85mm 1,8 but this may suit better

[@artmaltman]

Awesome comparison thank you! Tamron looked a tad more yellow which is not my taste but many people prefer warmer look for portraits. Easy to fix. Sony had very slightly creamier background rendering as you mentioned in direct comparison but looks negligible in practice. Very exciting overall. I got my order into B&H first morning available so hope to get it soon.

[@ralimage3459]

GREAT VIDEO MAN! CONGRATS

[@chadperling2766]

At 3:40 - that switch is a Zoom Lock not a focus lock and It does not have a focus ring on the mount, perhaps that's why you put "weather sealing gasket".

[@PKmode]

Good video Manny and the focus issue is substantial as if the focus is off, I usually toss the timage. I do however think the GM looked sharper and with a cleaner bokeh for your images. Also, the Tamron was noticeably warmer just from picking out images side by side. That made telling the images apart kind of obvious to me. Also, the OSS with these lengths is important and so are the features. I'm surprised you don't touch on that more. There is a reason other brands were charging a lot more for IS/OSS. Think of the Canon EF 70-200 f/2.8 with and without IS. There was a $1K difference for a very long time. I have the other two Tamrons for zooms but for now, I'll keep the GM for this range. Maybe if I can try one, I'd change my mind as that's a lot of money but that remains to be seen for myself.

[@alexdavismitt]

Am i correct that you must have a Sony lens paired with an a7 body, to get the IBIS + OSS 5-axis stabilization? So if pairing with this Tamron..... you are ONLY getting IBIS, that's it. Correct?

[@ahmedjuffairi]

great review thank you , you lit me take my choice will buy the tamron lens for my a7iii

[@dennisblair6295]

I have the 70-200 f4 and have been thinking of trading up to the GM. This is a game changer as I could get the Tamron and keep my f4. Thanks for the great review

[@catchlite5196]

Dennis Blair why would you want both?

[@samiteitzel7031]

Just looking at your photos really encourages me to blow my bank acc but then I realize it’s way to much. Thanks for the good detailed video! Keep troopin

[@branlyfernandez1182]

Thanks Manny for that review! My Sony 70-200 2.8 has the same issue that you were talking about. Am gonna sell it and go for the tamron...

[@buda3d2007]

great results, have not been motivated to invest in glass for a while till now

[@pauldestocki5176]

Hi Manny, Could you please do a shootout of the Tamron v Sigma (via MC11) v Sony lenses? I love your work and your opinion. Thanks!

[@WR8141]

Can you please do a review on softbox vs led panel lighting? I would love to know the pros and cons of both

[@NickL0VIN]

I was once an advocate of APSC only because of weight and size (traveler). Thanks to Tamron and Samyang's new AF lenses (which are actually smaller than my apsc lenses) i have now switched to full frame. These companies know what they're doing!

[@thomasdhb5760]

Finally a comparison I'm looking forward to it coming on sale in Denmark

[@marios739]

very helpful video thank you manny!

[@channkrp]

FINALLY. Although I have the 70-180 tamron on preorder as of this morning lol

[@ScottJWaldron]

That Tamron is looking nice. Looks like they did the right amount of compromise. Nice video!

[@Sam-mc2dk]

I have the Tamron 28-75 2.8 and it is a great lens. I bet the Tamron 70-180 is a great lens as well. One advantage the Sony 70-200 2.8 has over the Tamron is that the Sony works with the 1.4x teleconverters and I shoot sports a lot so having the extra reach is very nice. I hope Tamron comes out with a 300 2.8, 400 2.8, 200-400 4, and a 150-600 would be great as well. It is nice to have many options.

[@MikeT-yy3]

Hi Manny, a bit off subject but while we are locked down could you and Dianne make a video comparing the accuracy and speed of the Eye AF between the A6400 or A6600 and a full frame body, perhaps the A7111. I would be very interested how they compare and could you comment on whether a fast prime lens increases the speed and accuracy of the Eye AF over a slower prime or quality zoom. Also, when you get your hands on a Fuji XT4, a similar test against the Sony bodies including Real Time tracking

[@Avat6]

Manny , if you start all over again which one will you choose and why?

[@colinreese]

Hey Manny, this video made me think of 100-400mm lenses. Which 100-400mm lens for Canon EOS R do you recommend? I have the EF-RF adapter, and I do have a 70-300mm. I'm looking for more zoom for surfing photos.

[@subirthapa8542]

My Tamron 25 - 75 does the back focus thing that you mentioned about the 70 200 GM. I just feel that My 70 200 GM is a good copy so far but will see the things you pointed , Cheers.

[@BrokeSpaceLaser]

Still liking the 70-200GM?

[@albertandrade9743]

Dammmmmm I've that one away from completing my Tamron Trinity.... Excellent review Manny....!!! Where can I get that sweet hoodie in your promo spot ????

[@frankfeng2701]

Tamron f/2.8 trinity only costs $2900, slightly more than RF 70-200L and less than the price of RF 28-70 f/2.

[@Nunez87]

tbh though, IMAGINE if they did a 28-70 f2, that ekstra stop on a zoom like that.

[@Schroeder3000]

lets wait for the Tamron 70-130 F2.0 www.photografix-magazin.de/tamron-70-130mm-f-2-0-200-400mm-f-4-0/

[@wesleychapman9001]

Most underrated comment of them all. Great insight.

[@joejoe8948]

So Manny, how fast will Sigma, Tamron, and the rest will be spitting out lenses for Canon RF mount once the R5 comes out?

[@oneonlynono]

Hi ... thank you for that great Video ... I'm more into Aviation Photography, Sport Photography , Bird Photography and Astrophotography / Low Light Architecture Photography mainly , and from time to time a bit of Real Estate and Widlife Photography so saying that which of those 2 Lenses would you recommend for my Sony A9 and A7S ? Please

[@carlobambi9035]

What is this image stabilization for exactly? Would this impact the performance of photo and/or video? Is it needed?

[@cadmus777]

When I first saw that you left that lens out in the rain I could not fathom how you could do that. Now I do. I would have had a heart attack when I realised though!

[@framethemoment.photography]

Love your pragmatism. While other's are hell bent on only evaluating the performance, you also factor in the cost. Short and precise. A nice review.

[@juanmarmolejos6172]

Good review bro!! 👏🏽👏🏽

[@James.Buchanan]

Digging that Tamron, thanks for sharing!Digging the shelves with cameras and gear on the wall in your talking head scenes, got a link?

[@eleonorapouwels4044]

Hi, just a quick question, I just changed from A mount to A7IV E mount, I have an adapter for my old Tamron 70 - 200 2.8 A mount lens. I am looking into buying a new E mount lens. Is this lens still as good as 3 years ago? Or is there a better one from for example Sigma now? I will be mainly using it for photography, portret, weddings etc. Thanks for this video, helped a lot and answered most of my questions...

[@youuuuuuuuuuutube]

Now that they have the trinity, they can add another lens, 200-490mm for example, for a quaternity / tetrad :)

[@capturemate8077]

Was waiting for this !

[@wings.on.wheels]

the much needed review... for me Sony 70-200 f2.8 is the best.. thnq so much manny u'r the best... also plz review the tamron 1728 f2.8 vs sony 20mm f1.8 ... big FAN from NEPAL....

[@AndrewLXiong]

I'm sold...can't wait till they're in stock!

[@ramone011]

Nice work, thank you Manny.

[@TheJurciks]

How about choosing Sony 70-200 f4 over both of these? What do you think?

[@nicholasbessette2001]

Looks amazing ! The only thing I'm suspicious is the sealing of the Tamron. Since it's extending out to zoom a lot of dust will eventually get inside the lens which will make it harder to sell in long term compared to the internal zooming of the sony which is better sealed

[@HelioSilvaMusica]

About the issue of soft focus with 70-200GM, have you tried microfocus adjustment in the camera body? I had the same problem with my old Minolta 80-200 and this adjustment solved it.

[@BespokeFotografie]

great video Manny 👊🏻😎

[@PigWrangler]

My 70-200 GM autofocus motors went out on mine...not looking forward seeing that bill if the repair company ever get back to me about their website being down. This might be a solid alternative.

[@AbhijitDhakne]

Hey Manny, Great video as always! I was surprised that you didn't do a 135mm focus photo and compared it with 135 1.8GM with this lens. I know this is 2.8, but would have loved to see the difference. Currently debating between going either zoom or just 135 /f.8. I do have 85mm 1.8. Thoughts?

[@bookphile870]

If you have an 85 1.8, I would suggest getting a 70-200 2.8. Even the Tamron would be good for you. The 135 1.8 is a really good lens but if you already have a good telephoto prime, it won't be worth it to invest in another. Instead if you go for a 70-200 or the 70-180, you'll be getting more versatility, a good enough range and DoF and also you could use it for more than just portraits

[@Grant_Seymour_]

Guessing microadjustments can't be made to resolve the back-focusing issue? I've only rented a Sony A7III for a weekend, so I don't know what is really possible. I remember doing some adjustments on a Canon I owned for an older 24-70L lens.

[@krazymceg]

Hi manny, question.. is there a tad shutter lag when pressing the shutter button to the camera actually taking the picture? I know the 28-75mm lens has like a split second lag once you press the shutter button . Unlike the Sony native lenses, when you press the shutter button it snaps instantly.

[@kevb7451]

Great video! I own the trifecta! Love your videos Manny, I truly appreciate them!

[@ctphotographx]

I believe the GM problem is only with early models (... so careful if purchased used...), and lies with OSS sometimes swinging the OSS element so far to one side (and getting stuck there) that the light doesn't pass through an optimal portion of the glass, and thereby smeared the shots. But this phenomenon only occurred on my original GM early model lens with image stabilization turned ON. Turn OFF image stabilization, and it shot super sharp. That original lens was ordered before the lens was even released, and my dealer told me I had the first copy in town. Problem arose after about six months. My replacement purchase lens has not suffered the same problem after 18 months of pro shoot environments. The replacement GM was so sharp that I didn't bother with the GM135/1.8. It worked flawlessly, just like my experience with the GM rental and the demo GM that I've done extensive testing on.

[@bengigonzalez]

damn boy you had me at Tamron... They killin it with their lenses!

[@PhobiaSoft]

My question as an APSC shooter is, Tamron 70-180 F2.8 or Sony 70-350 F4.5-6.3? Faster is always better sure, but if you're swapping into a telephoto, shouldn't it have some significant reach? I'm sure there are use cases where either lens make a lot of sense.

[@dacostacollymore7601]

Thanks for this review!

[@ralphcedricbasco278]

If I have a Sony system Manny, I would definitely pick up the Tamron.