The new Turin DF64 Gen 2 is way better!

[@JoeMaloneOnTheMoon]

This is a very timely review. I ordered one about a week ago. I wish it wasn't noted for being loud but I have the Kin K6 for early morning when I have to be quiet. Thanks! Also I wanted to add, and you mentioned, that the setup is for 58mm use. I use 54 so I'll be trying without an adapter when I start. But it's something to consider.

[@coffeenerdaaron]

Thanks for watching! I think you’ll be very happy with it. It is unfortunate that’s it’s loud but it does very well overall so I think it’s still worth it.

[@avramsanders9198]

I cant spend more than like $200 on a grinder but i live for these reviews

[@NeverMind353]

Baratza Encore ESP The 1ZPresso line-up Sage Smart Grinder Pro

[@RasenRambo23]

Look into the DF54 - $230.

[@RedwoodEmpire925]

1zpresso ZP6 for pourover is what I got and I couldn't be happier! 199$

[@o0_AgA_Oo]

Thanks for the review. I’ve had my D64 v2 for a couple months now and am super happy with it. Just wanted to share I just measured the DB’s of my grinder because I was surprised by both your results and the way the video sounded. Used Decibel X app and was bouncing between 79.6 and 80.2 with no beans. “On formica counter top”. Hit 88 to 91 with medium roast beans. Again thank for the review!

[@coffeenerdaaron]

Thanks for sharing! Seems our db results are similar. I did my test with a light roasted coffee so maybe the different beans and different countertops is a factor.

[@haig4977]

Just for comparison if anyone has ever had a Rocky, I still have one and this morning using the same app, placed my phone at the height of my ears resting on the cupboard above the grinder and clocked it at 82dB grinding light roast beans for espresso - and that was a few notches well into burr chirp territory.

[@coffeenerdaaron]

@@haig4977 thanks for sharing that!!

[@haig4977]

pleasure!@@coffeenerdaaron

[@MdrnGmngScks]

I have this grinder with the SSP Multipurpose burrs and it's just incredible on both espresso and filter.

[@kimhakem7566]

awesome review as always

[@coffeenerdaaron]

Thank you 🤗

[@fredhill9905]

Thanks again for this informational review, brew on !!!

[@TheMooch255]

Necessity Coffee?? Are you in SD? I stopped by their shop in Leucadia the other day!

[@coffeenerdaaron]

I’m not in SD but I know the owner/roaster Jon. Him and his family used to live here in AZ where I am. He used to roast for a shop called Union Coffee Co. and we have a lot of mutual friends in the coffee world. He is one of the best people I know!!

[@rickmarquez]

Great review man

[@coffeenerdaaron]

Thanks man!

[@ronpower7790]

Ordered one...have to order Italmills thou, since I do want the most traditional reaults with dark roasts.

[@jimgd4]

Great video!! What grinder would you recommend for someone who is noise averse, but wants all of these features? I grind and brew both drip and espresso regularly, swapping out beans frequently. I just found your channel and watched this and your DF83 video as well. I'm a new subscriber, and yes, I rang the dang bell. Thank you!!

[@coffeenerdaaron]

Haha! Thank you!! From a noise perspective and the features/capabilities you want I think the new DF83V might be your best bet if you want a bigger flat burr. I did a video about it the other day!

[@jackowens_]

Nice video Aaron - seems a tough one to be beat in the price range! Would be cool to hear thoughts aside the DF83 Gen 2 in the cup stock!

[@coffeenerdaaron]

I can probably make that happen! Thanks for watching 😊

[@drew3895]

New subscriber. Love the channel. The reviews are great! Looking for my first setup. After way too much research I think I have settled on the Profitec Go. Looking for a grinder and love this one. Noise, well, I can deal with it for yhe performance. Fits my range,

[@coffeenerdaaron]

@@drew3895 thanks!!! Profitec makes great machines. The DF64 gen 2 performs above its price point I think. I don’t have any experience with any Eureka grinders so I can’t speak to that. As far as something else goes obviously as you know there are a ton of great grinders out there, it just depends on your budget and needs. But I think for this price point the DF64 gen 2 is hard to beat!

[@dwillingham]

I have one and I’ve been using for several weeks now. I like it but if you grind for filter coffee the ionizer is not strong enough to remove all static electricity from the chaff. You end up with chaff all over the outside of the grinder still.

[@coffeenerdaaron]

Since filming this I have had a couple coffees that made a bit more of a mess but they weren’t bad and nowhere near what the original version DF’s would be! For those super light coffees for filter brew I have started doing a small RDT spritz. Where do you live? I wonder if in dryer climates people still may need to RDT a bit.

[@vaka_senpai9862]

I hope they drop more Quiet gen 3 asap.

[@PetrucciMusampa]

I'll get this one, but would love your input on burrs. I'm considering Titanium or the SSP Cast lab. Any thoughts would be really appreciated. :P

[@coffeenerdaaron]

In my experience coated burrs like Titanium or Diamond Like Carbon (DLC) coatings is that they tend to produce a little bit more fines in the filter brew grind sizes. I don’t have any scientific data to back that up but it has always seemed that way to me, and some fellow coffee enthusiast friends who have experience comparing them, however I don’t mind them at all and you will get more longevity out of coated burrs. You can also adjust all the typical things in your brewing like grind size, agitation, water temp, and contact time to mitigate some of the inherent results for brewing with a higher quantity fines. I don’t have experience with the Lab Sweet burrs in this particular grinder but I have had them in a Fellow Ode, and I did enjoy them. I felt like as the name indicates the coffees were noticeably sweeter and seemed to be more balanced if memory serves… I haven’t had coffee from them in a while. From what I hear people really love the Cast stainless and red speed coated burrs in this grinder so I don’t think you can go wrong, but it’s hard to speak for someone else’s taste preferences. I did enjoy the coffee from those burrs but personally I prefer a bit more clarity for filter brewing than it seemed like they offered at the time a brewed with them.

[@Tristan_the_ultimate]

Thanks for the awesone review, as always, sir Aaron! Just want to get insights on how good it is on filter coffee. How does df64 gen 2 compare to fellow ode gen 2 (both with stock burr), considering that the stock ode is supposedly filter only grinder.

[@coffeenerdaaron]

Thanks!! I think the DF64 V2 with the new Turin burrs does very well on filter! In my comparing it’s almost as good if not better on filter for some coffees. It was very hard to tell the difference with some coffees, with other the Ode was a little better but considering it can’t do espresso… I think the DF64 is the way to go if you have espresso needs also!

[@alexbrier718]

The loudness definitely turns me off the grinder. Everything else looks great, I hope they just revise the design again and work on that

[@coffeenerdaaron]

I wouldn’t let it bother you, it’s worth it to get an overall great grinder like this for this price. You’re only using it for a few seconds when you grind so it’s not that big of a deal, but it is noticeable that’s why I mentioned it. Of course everyone has different thoughts and preferences, so if you need something quieter I totally get that.

[@JoseCastillo-ol8eh]

he tenido muchos molinillos que dicen ser ruidosos y nunca tuve problema con riudos , ni que fuera un abanico jejeje.

[@stephanie0108]

Hey Aaron! Thanks to your review I just got my new df64 2nd gen however I was wondering, almost on all 2nd gen it came with red power button mine thought came with transparent white same as what your using any reason for that? Also my dosing cup is clear plastic similar to the version one.

[@coffeenerdaaron]

Honestly I don’t know! I have seen the red button version but I thought those were early versions of the gen 2. As for the dosing cup I’m not sure either, I thought all the newer DF’s were coming with the beefy metal cup and collar. Both my DF64 and DF83 came with the same dosing cup and collar. It may also depend on where you got it, is it from espresso outlet or somewhere else?

[@stephanie0108]

@@coffeenerdaaron i heard the white power button was an improvement over the red as they mentioned it had issues, so this is supposedly gen 2.1 still no idea about the dosing cup though

[@athanasiostzoumaris606]

How does it compare to x54? I drink espresso from a flair and aeropress interchangeably and am torn between getting the x54 or DF64 gen 2

[@ziptiefighter]

Thankyou for mentioning the volume. That's a deal-breaker for me, regardless how awesome it is in other aspects. I already have a loud grinder (Eureka Classico). My next one simply must be significantly quieter under load and not. I was also enticed by the DF64V. It is quieter. However, according to another TY-er (Spro)...it jams easily. So that one is also a no. I guess I'll check back in another six months when Turin comes out with the next refinement of the 64G2 and 64V. No rush. Would there be room inside this grinder's case to add some sound-absorbing foam? Cheers

[@coffeenerdaaron]

I don’t know that there is room for sound deadening material… but the new DF83v is super quiet!!! I’ll have a review of that posted soon!

[@ziptiefighter]

@@coffeenerdaaron It would be interesting to identify where a given grinder is loudest. The opening at the top? Perhaps the chute opening? Maybe the base?...especially since most users (fair to say) have their grinder sitting on a hard smooth surface that acts like a band shell. I've not tinkered with any foam base for a grinder to sit upon or added deadening material inside. But I know 80+db in the AM is jarring. That 83V is a chonk. At this point, I'd opt for something physically smaller for my small (galley style) kitchen. Thanks for the prompt feedback 👊

[@piplup10203854]

This is pretty nice but dang it's quite a bit expensive over the encore ESP 😮 but I am pretty tempted to just make one investment and call it a day 🤔 Does it ever go on sale?

[@NeverMind353]

I have the ESP and I ordered the Gen 2. Youre gonna be happier for longer because of the better grind quality (less fines) and much more granular adjustment. If you brew filter with the ESP the steps are pretty large, leaving you overextracted on 24 and underex. on 25 (in my experience)

[@piplup10203854]

@@NeverMind353 🤔 Ohh, I see. Thank you ☺ I agree with you that I'd be happier for longer having the better grind quality. I appreciate your input. Yeah, I think that's the route I'm gonna go towards. It's a little more expensive but with how long it's gonna last me it's a better investment.

[@equaleyez]

I have been using the encore ESP for almost 6 months. I do not recommend it, for multiple reasons, but the biggest is losing the calibration when opening the machine to clean in. Many parts and most of them are plastic and there is even a felt ring that I already had to replace. Last few weeks have been frustrating with the ESP, so here I am looking at the DF64.

[@piplup10203854]

@@equaleyez Thank you for letting me know ☺ I did end up going for the DF64 Gen 2. I just received it a few days ago but I really like it. The adjustments are very easy and there's like .1 or less retention so if I put in 17 grams of beans I am getting 17 grams out :) I haven't zero'd mine or do a burr alignment because it was good out of the box but I'd recommend it. That sucks your ESP has been giving you headaches :( that's a huge bummer. I am really liking the DF64, I upgraded to the Diamond like burrs and got a medium roast but I am loving the taste over it and it's noticeably better than the pre-ground I was having it's a lot brighter so even not super fresh beans are still tasting leagues better.

[@kdawgg83]

Do you RDT? I still get a decent amouny of static in my Gen 2 which causes a bit of retention.

[@coffeenerdaaron]

I live in a fairly dry state, and typically use pretty light stuff so on occasion I will if I’ve already tried the coffee once with no RDT and it was a little messy or has a good amount of chaff, other than that no I typically don’t with this grinder.

[@danielamigo44]

For the price, what’s a good espresso coffee grinder for lighter coffee beans?

[@aimorallo638]

Can the SK40 compete with the DF64 Gen 2 for medium-dark roast espresso?

[@coffeenerdaaron]

Kind of hard to compare since that’s a conical burr vs flat burr and they generate different flavor profiles based on the way they grind and the particle shape of the ground coffee. I never go much past the lighter side of medium coffees and I’m generally brewing pretty light stuff, but I will say that typically a flat burr is going to highlight the brighter flavors and have more clarity, so if that’s something you like with your dark roast coffee then I’d say the DF is better, and also the DF is much better when it comes to filter brew grinding so if you have a need for espresso and filter from one grinder I’d say the DF is the better option. But the SK40 does a great job for espresso at a lower price so from a return on investment perspective if all you are going to use it for is darker roast espresso then the SK40 may suit you better. Hope that helps!

[@aimorallo638]

@@coffeenerdaaron I do have a comandante for filter so I'm considering the SK40 since it will be espresso focused. However, I'm torn since the DF64 has been praised by a lot of coffee enthusiasts and I am afraid I might miss out.

[@VSa-sn4xc]

Great review!! For light-medium roast which aftermarket burrs do you recommend? SSP HU or SSP Lab sweet cast?

[@coffeenerdaaron]

Thanks! Personally I prefer the Lab Sweet if you're going to dip into the medium roast range, especially if you're doing espresso. HU's are great but in my experience the clarity and acidity is higher with them, which is great for light roasts if you like that, but with medium roasts it may not be as desirable. But it really depends on your taste preferences and brewing methods. It would be great if you could taste them side by side to know which ones you prefer for the coffees you like. Unfortunately I don't have a ton of experience with the HU's, especially not directly comparing the two in the same grinder with the same coffee!

[@dalton4490]

​@@coffeenerdaaronI'm really curious. How does the Lab Sweet do for espresso?

[@coffeenerdaaron]

I had Lab Sweets in an Ode I borrowed from a friend a while back so I didn’t do a ton of espresso at home with them, I think I only pulled a couple shots, but I’ve had shots pulled at shops using those burrs in other grinders and they’ve always been good. They have great sweetness and body, and enough clarity to satisfy. Granted it’s hard to compare the same burrs in different sizes and in different grinders. I feel like the Lab Sweet overall is a pleasing flavor profile to most coffees, which is why they’re so popular. I don’t think you can go wrong with them but it’s hard to speak for someone else’s taste preferences.

[@hugoferrazporto]

perfection once again

[@coffeenerdaaron]

Thanks Hugo!!! 😊

[@SoulBladeM]

How is the taste of this grinder compared to MH3 Sniper on filter?

[@coffeenerdaaron]

Personally I think the DF64 V2 is way better for filter! But that's just because I prefer most flat burr flavor profiles over conical burrs for filter brewing. But it really boils down to your taste preferences. It's hard to say one is objectively better than the other cause it's a subjective topic. What I can say is you get a lot more for your money with the DF64 V2 vs the Sniper.

[@ShayanGivehchian]

Can you do a comparison between this and the Specialita ? Theyre similarly priced and similar skill level but different workflow and usage.

[@coffeenerdaaron]

No promises, but I'm happy to do so if I can get my hands on one!

[@RasenRambo23]

Weird that you don't have a video on the DF64V on the channel - or did I miss it? Supersedes this model in every way, except if you want to save on initial investment.

[@lado809]

I am looking for a grinder. I typically drink Aeropress and am trying pour-overs with a V60. I have been grinding with a 1Zpresso K-Ultra. However, I pre-ordered the KUKU to experiment with an all-in-one machine. I was thinking of getting an electric grinder, and this grinder seems to be a good price point for quality. I was wondering if it is worth getting a specific burr upgrade as a single purchase or if I should not bother. Any input is welcome.

[@ebusive]

Its down to either this or the Niche Zero. I keep vacillating between the two. How do you feel they compare?

[@coffeenerdaaron]

Only have experience with the Zero at a buddy’s shop grinding for espresso, and while it it a very good grinder I don’t care for most conical burrs for filter brewing. So if it was going to be a single grinder for me and I did multiple brewing methods I’d go DF64 V2. O just boils down to your taste preferences. That being said I have not compared them side by side so it’s very hard to have a current frame of reference.

[@ZacharyBoylston]

Hi, thanks for your review. Any thoughts on how difficult it would be to align burrs in this grinder? I have a. Ode Gen 1 and Gen 2 burrs and SSP MPs. I tried aligning my burrs in this grinder but never got it right. I like the idea of burrs coming from the factory ready to go but really enjoy my gen 2 burrs.

[@portakeeper]

Great review! I saw a few people mention noise. Basically same as old DF64. For me it’s not bad. Unless you have a Ceado E37 or Atom 75, most grinders are pretty loud. Just heads up.

[@sekf]

Might be a weird question, but do you happen to know if the portafilter holder in this grinder is compatible with the convertible portafilter on Linea Micra? Because the one on Micra has that protruding edge for the plastic spout.

[@coffeenerdaaron]

I honestly don’t know! I don’t have any experience with the Micra or its portafilter yet.

[@rogeryin]

I have the same Grinder Gen 2. I like it a lot, and it’s absolutely true it’s a bit loud. My only complaint is with the dosing funnel into the burr area gets a lot of static and catches about 0.2 and 0.3 g of coffee. It still benefits from RDT where it’s around 0.1g

[@Niikolaii]

For someone who owns SPP‘s HU esprsso burrs, how the stock burrs compete against them and is it worth to keep them or better sell the SSP and get another burr set to play with for the money because the stock burrset and SSP HU are to similar? Thanks 🙏🏼

[@coffeenerdaaron]

I may not be fully understanding your question but if you already have SSP HU burrs and you like them why would you sell them? As far as the standard burrs vs the HU, the HU is a better burr and is going to give you a different and better flavor profile. They are not close enough to warrant selling your HU burrs for the standard burrs if you like the results you’re getting from your HU’s.

[@Niikolaii]

I mean, the stock burr geometry looks very similar to the SSP HU, I would assume also the flavour profile is very similar, let’s say the stock burrs provide 90-95% the same flavour profile of the SSP HU I would then rather sell the SSP’s and keep the stock burrs and get instead let’s say SSP Lab Sweets to play with. When the stock Gen 2 burrs are very similar to the HU.

[@coffeenerdaaron]

@@Niikolaii I see what you’re saying. I honestly don’t know how they taste side by side. My guess is they aren’t that similar even thought the burr geometry looks similar, but not having taste tested those exact two burrs side by side I’m really not sure.

[@jankoch267]

I'm really torn between getting this with the ssp Multipurpose burrs or splurging out on the next available batch for a Zerno Z1 with the same burrs... Do you think the Zerno is worth the really really high cost and would bring an even better taste and experience or should I get this one?

[@coffeenerdaaron]

I don't have any experience with the Z1. What I do know is that they are very well built and the machining quality and materials are top notch... but you do pay a hefty price for it! I think it's a hard comparison, I'm not sure if you'd notice a ton of difference between those two grinders with the same burr, or any grinder with the same exact burr for that matter, unless the build quality between the two grinders was wildly different and one had horrible burr alignment that couldn't be corrected. Sorry I couldn't be of more help on this one, I think Lance Hedrick has a good review of the Z1.

[@tommihommi1]

only get a grinder like the zerno if you're in a position to shrug about the price.

[@jankoch267]

@@coffeenerdaaron thx for the quick answer! I think I'm gonna go for this one then and maaaybe some day upgrade again when I'm rich and old lol 😂😂

[@Fabbolicious]

Is it better than the DF64P for Espressolovers?

[@esquire1880]

I don't know if you got this wrong or if Espresso Outlet has changed its policies, but the product page on its website now says that it will not install the burrs itself if you upgrade, which I assume also means that Espresso Outlet is not performing an alignment. Great video otherwise.

[@coffeenerdaaron]

Thanks for letting me know, I was always under the impression that they would install the upgraded burrs if you order the grinder that way but I may have been wrong.

[@adrianrice2177]

Is the DF 83 louder when grinding?

[@coffeenerdaaron]

I think they’re about the same if I remember correctly. A friend of mine is borrowing my DF83 right now so I haven’t listened to them side by side yet.

[@shootythings5086]

It’s got a plasma emitter!!!? Aren’t you worried it might rip a hole in the space time continuum ?

[@coffeenerdaaron]

Haha! 😂

[@stephanie0108]

Whats your rough comparison tonthe varia vs 3 gen 2?

[@coffeenerdaaron]

Unfortunately I don’t have any experience with the VS3 but I personally much prefer flat burr grinders

[@mauquiros]

Very original thumbnail

[@محمد-ض8ف2ص]

Sure this the best grinder I tried but it’s has a small mistake ,I have to spray a water on the coffee beans before grind and I think The gen 1 dosing cup was better than the gen 2, and literally its voice really annoying generally before I bought this grinder I had eureka mignon specialita its voice quiter than the df64 gen2

[@crayolascents]

The volume (db) of the grinder isn't a problem. Just turn it on when your wife is talking to you.

[@coffeenerdaaron]

😂

[@QuebecRFSclan]

This is loud

[@coffeenerdaaron]

Indeed! But still a great grinder 😀

[@xtremecoast]

Made in China.