The NFL's Broken Award

[@SetTheEdge]

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[@CammyymmaC]

Love the video, Tom's unanimous MVP season was 2010 though and you have it shown as 2017 in the graphic. Both unanimous MVPs went 1 and done in the playoffs

[@-EJ-]

Nothing truly says “ultimate team sport” like the same position being declared the “most valuable player” virtually every single year.

[@xelabadman5824]

I mean only one position has the ball the most of the game.

[@banan4084]

One position touches the ball on every snap of a game. Except in extreme circumstances, a qb is always the most valuable player.

[@tortareka]

@@banan4084 I too think the mvp should be the center

[@alexhussey1308]

it’s almost like the rules of football are the same every single year

[@kevinpowers3907]

@@xelabadman5824 yes which is why it’s not the ultimate team sport. It relies too heavily on a single person excelling.

[@koshercheese9710]

Derrick Henry ran for 2k in 2020 on a division winning team, and got ZERO votes for MVP. Unless they change the formula, it will be a QB award every season

[@blackanimelover18]

Did....Did you not see the season Aaron Rodgers had that year?

[@TheJusticefornone]

I understand, but he still could have gotten some votes however​@@blackanimelover18

[@fortynights1513]

How many games did his team win, and what rank was their offense?

[@TheJusticefornone]

@@blackanimelover18 I understand the season Aaron Rodgers had, but Derrick Henry at least deserved some votes for the award, even if not ultimately being the winner

[@SoaR2COLDFNYT]

​@@blackanimelover18Bros goin around sucking off QBs and telling ppl that they are wrong for thinking someone doesn't deserve mvp

[@shivumganesh]

“In OJ Simpson’s defense…oh wait” 😂😂😂

[@jessyfretz5800]

I legit laughed hard at that smash cut. STE is GOATed.

[@SuperSaiyanGuyver]

The glove didn't fit.

[@ferdinandfoch7816]

Baseball's smart for having a separate award for the best pitcher. Sure, sometimes the Cy Young winner also wins MVP, but only very rarely. The NFL should follow suit and make an awards explicitly for the best QB, best (non-QB) offensive, and best defensive players.

[@bulldogsbob]

It’s also easier in baseball to tell who is the best player since unlike football you can be great on your own. A hitter can still be great on a bad team but a qb won’t win anything on a team of scrubs.

[@bmac4]

NFLs OPOY disproportionally favors non-QBs and I think the MVP being a "best QB" award most years is why

[@fortynights1513]

@@bulldogsbobCase in point Mike Trout and Shohei Ohtani. Also, 2003 Alex Rodriguez, and Ernie Banks in the 50’s won MVP’s on terrible teams. In the NFL by contrast, in 1986 Dan Marino was clearly the best quarterback but for an 8-8 team and lost it to LT.

[@codypagels1598]

They have OPOY, which has gone to a non-QB 20 out of the last 30 years, and they have first team all-pro for every position.

[@jacobcarr2872]

QBOY or MVQB ?

[@Boxscot49]

Honestly MOP makes absolute sense and the only logical reason its not called that is people think its less cool to call someone a mop

[@joshharrison9054]

That’s what it’s called in the CFL. And they have a much better system for MOP

[@LukeMillner]

I’m gonna go ahead and vote for Set the Edge as MVP

[@jessyfretz5800]

I will be the lone holdout and vote LukeMillner. Dude's a beast!

[@joshharrison9054]

That’s why I like the CFL’s system better. Every team’s city nominates a player for each award: Most Outstanding Player, Most Outstanding Canadian, Most Outstanding Defensive Player, Most OutStanding Offensive Lineman, Most Outstanding Special Teams Player, Most Outstanding Rookie, and Most Outstanding Coach. Then each nominee for each are finalized into division awards, with one representative from each division for each award, then the finalists are voted on for the league award. The teams, as well as football reporters, have a say in these votes and make it far more even, the only problem is that two players from the same team can’t be nominated for the same award, ie 2023 where Zach Collaros and Brady Oliveira were both MOP candidates, but Brady Oliveira got the MOP vote.

[@EDF1919]

Watt not winning in '14 was bullshit. Yes, I'm still legitimately annoyed by it.

[@Balt21Raven]

"Loosely structured pit of death" - Beautiful.

[@harrisonturner7443]

One idea I've had for a while is conference MVP. It makes sense considering how the NFL awards conference players of the week and month, so maybe just scratch MVP and hand out conference player of the year instead. It would've helped a lot of guys (Drews Brees) get more awards, and I also think it would've helped non-quarterbacks get more recognition.

[@chaz764]

Here with no views, Brock Purdy getting an MVP and Russ never getting one in his prime would've made me question the game itself.

[@dtice69]

Maybe Mr Unlimited Diarrhea should've been the most valuable player in his prime then.

[@Flightfan17]

@@dtice69the point is Brock Purdy 2023-2024< Russel Wilson 2019-2020

[@siegbert_schnoesel]

​@@Flightfan17 in 19/20 the mvp was a lot more of an obvious choice than this year. Why do you think the voting suggeste Purdy was better than Wilson?

[@EGuala21]

@@Flightfan17you didn’t make a point. Russ was never better than any mvp winner

[@Boskibro]

@@EGuala21he was absolutely in 2019-2020

[@jasonsalisbury7965]

Always good to remind people how awesome Alan Page was. And as a kid I watched that Lawrence Taylor season and can say nothing was ever like that so if you try to judge current defensive players by those seasons it will never work but I think that's what they do. Defense would have to have a season like Page or LT when those were just outstanding ones that won't likely happen again. It's sad but it's what the league has turned into. You either play superhuman or the award is a QB award.

[@stevendesmond2685]

In the same breadth you can't say football is the ultimate team sport and then that QB is the most important position in sports.

[@Redmenace96]

A rational and enlightened essay. Wish the world would listen and be like that. Most Outstanding Player would mean Walter Payton would have about 6, and don't forget Devon Hester's return year. It would have been a great award to isolate and acclaim that remarkable season above it being a record.

[@Saltiren]

Pf Chang's was an amazing bit you included

[@nightmare348]

It's been 12 seasons since Adrian Peterson won, and its just been Quarterbacks ever since. And if you want one who isn't either a quarterback or a running back, you have to go all the way back to 1986 with Lawrence Taylor.

[@bulldogsbob]

That award hasn’t meant squat since J J Watt was snubbed.

[@kingdaddyfierce4497]

He wasn’t snubbed QB is the most valuable position.

[@Vlibba]

@@kingdaddyfierce4497so have best QB and MVP. No sense in keeping others from the MVP just cause of position

[@sportsfanatic123]

​@@kingdaddyfierce4497 then make it a QB award goofy

[@melvinshine9841]

Saying the award hasn't meant anything just because Watt didn't win it is a hell of a reach.

[@TeemoQuinton]

Since Derrick Henry was snubbed

[@thomstant]

My favorite NFL-related channel on youtube.

[@Redmenace96]

Thanks for the history lesson. Forgot about K Mark Mosely, and also didn't realize how astounding Allen Page's season/award was.

[@tannerwade]

JJ watt should’ve won an mvp

[@laurinnn]

no he shouldnt🤣 led his team to a 9-7, no-playoffs season

[@LoneHawk]

Wtf are you smoking

[@blackanimelover18]

Can't win the MVP if you don't make the playoffs.

[@TheJusticefornone]

Agreed. Crazier was the fact that he was on a team with a winning record (9-7)

[@SoaR2COLDFNYT]

​@@blackanimelover18MVP is a stat award not a playoffs maker award

[@warpdrivefueledbyinsomnia8165]

When you said "P.F. Chang's", I was 75% paying attention to the video and was not ready. I laughed out loud in the office and people looked at me weird. Good job, you!

[@ChancellorCheesehead]

7:47 I deadass thought that backround noise was in my room and freaked out

[@bigmike69]

bro fr me too i had to play it back to make sure my room wasn’t haunted

[@jessyfretz5800]

@@bigmike69 facts. It had a Dead Space feel to it.

[@F0rger513]

God the talking heads started up and reflexively grabbed my phone before reminding myself that "No, it's ok, you're watching a youtube video."

[@WFM]

I was about to go to sleep but nevermind

[@benjaminharris4575]

We missed you man, great video.

[@dantiongson3014]

Do y’all remember when Aaron Rodgers won one over JJ Watt in 2014 when Watt literally solo carried the Texans to some kind of relevance…?! Yeah I still don’t get it til this day!

[@fenleydorismond2889]

I dont know if you’ll see this, but i plan on starting a youtube channel about movies and I was wondering what your recording/creating process is. Like do you record the audio first, or gather the information or something else

[@SetTheEdge]

my general process is -research -write script -record audio -collect all the visual content I’m going to pull from based on my script -piece together the end product but depending on how much you want to script/do off the cuff some of those might get switched around. good luck with your channel!

[@fenleydorismond2889]

@@SetTheEdge thank you!

[@markmamola7167]

I think the best individual award is the Walter Payton Man of the Year award

[@EisenSMT]

It's so interesting to me that the NFL's two highest honors (MVP and the Hall of Fame) aren't technically affiliated with the NFL, yet they've been around for so long and are so prestigious that we don't really care

[@kevinholbrook4316]

It’s become the “Most Valuable QB” award…

[@C-WEB1203]

I saw you posted and immediately clicked. Love your content and your passion for NFL knowledge

[@ThinkTwice2222]

MVP is already in the public zeitgeist

[@Fencellisk]

MVPs are linemen. Offense and defense. Games are won in the trenches.

[@Bruh-yy3zb]

You genuinely deserve so much more subscribers you have such great content man

[@fortynights1513]

Set the Edge is the ultimate quality over quantity KZbin channel related to the NFL. And as such, a channel like this one might not be as likely to be recommended to someone who is unfamiliar with it as channels that consistently farm content for the sake of uploading consistently.

[@ViktorTheButcher]

The NFL MVP is the most valueless MVP award of all major best player of the year awards there are in the world. Like, no matter how much people want to twist it to the point the QB is the only relevant position (not just most important, only position with all the team stats and rings being abused as QB player stats in all time rankings), it's still extremely unrealistic that QB's are the only realistic candidates for this award anno nowadays and even in the so called run first eras they dominated the award. Since 2007 all but one MVP has been won by only one position group. In general the award exists since the 1950s (including a pair of shared awards) and barring 16 RB's (last one in 2012), 2 defensive players (last 1 in 1985) and 1 kicker (1980s as well), a QB is always the winner. 1 of 25 starting positions. At the same time people still dare to say this is the ultimate team sport, while in reality no sport inflates the same singular position as much as American football does with QB.

[@nin_tendo6458]

Well it is the ultimate team sport, but that won't stop people from overinflating the importance of the QB position.

[@alexhussey1308]

I’m gonna stop you at the first sentence because the award is very explicity not a best player award. It’s a most valuable award. If you’re approaching it from that angle you’re going to be disappointed.

[@hadikhan2524]

watching set the edge and eating cereal instead of studying for my finals tmrw🔥🔥🔥

[@morganspriggs4426]

Tom Brady won unanimously in 2010, not 2017.

[@bioLarzen]

I wish they had stuck woth the "Most Outstanding Player" designation... just how much easier it is for the crowd to chant "MOP! MOP!", isn't it? ;)

[@SIGuy7480]

I like how the NHL has 2 MVPs one given by the writers and the other voted on by the players

[@BloodRider1914]

Exactly. Even though centres usually win those awards, there's still a respect to exceptional wingers (Kucherov) and goalies (Price) as well. Also helps that hockey is actually the ultimate team sport.

[@KarlssonMcK]

Goddamn, did not see that oj joke coming 😂😂😂

[@monkeyfather27]

Every time STE uploads it makes my day

[@ahmarirashad4363]

Mom, set the edge posted!

[@samgproductions999]

its a good day when you upload

[@cadedonnghail9317]

Give the game it's equivalent of the Cy Young award. Name it after Unitas or Marino or something.

[@marioex497]

We need to also have awards for each position like college. Since football is ”the ultimate team game” then we need to recognize each part of the team. Or at the very least make the All-Pro team more prominent on award night

[@Unbounded7]

The one thing that ppl forget is separating the award would kill the .01% chance that a dominate, game warping player could break what any body thought was possible and be more valuable than quarterbacks. On defense you would have to allow no points while generating interceptions and scoop and scores by yourself while carrying your team to a perfect record. Or on offense break a NFL record by almost double with a mid quarterback.

[@ElPerroGrandeNessi]

"PF Changs" 😂

[@paulframe85]

Thanks STE. I've loved this video

[@JusiAlayco]

Just make it the most valuable Quarterback and bring back Most Outstanding Player for the non-quarterbacks

[@ferdinandvongonzalez641]

Go to bed, mr. Set, you've earned it

[@ebercondrell6603]

How did you make a voice come from another part of my room at 7:47?

[@cmann517]

why does ARod have more MVPs than the 🐐

[@casualportraits]

That kicker winning MVP is a complete insult to Brandon Aubrey lol

[@VisableToAnyoneOnYouTube]

Coach Bellichick Most Outstanding Player Award could be a thing.

[@timwitt7356]

Hands down Least Important Award.

[@patriotfreak54]

HONEY WAKE UP NEW SET THE EDGE VIDEO

[@staxmontana4]

There should either be an QB award strictly for the position and MVP go out to the rest of the league or every position should have their own award. I never understood the “ it’s a QB award” that’s so unfair for the rest of the positions in the league

[@noahcoleman28]

I agree with you very much on distinguishing valuable from outstanding. Sure, by definition of value Lamar Jackson was the correct winner because he stayed healthy and operated his offense efficiently in a year where many QBs were hurt and not playing well. But to call his season outstanding would be a stretch imo. He played on a juggernaut and was helped out a lot by his OL and D.

[@micahkiyimba8641]

Brock Purdy and Josh Allen were better than Lamar Last year..it wasn't supposed to go to a QB and even then they chose the wrong one..the playoffs exposed who was who.

[@crumblingphilosophy9323]

​@micahkiyimba8641 Josh allen threw alot of interceptions and having cmc and purdy run together for mvp didn't make sense

[@stevenstocker7425]

@@crumblingphilosophy9323should have been just cmc than. For once, don’t give it to a qb. Jackson stats weren’t even that impressive this year. He won it by default

[@crumblingphilosophy9323]

@stevenstocker7425 He won by default? Lamar had an impressive year, and 49 voters out of 50 voters thought he deserved it the best. But my biggest question is, would we be having this conversation if lamar jackson was white? Because I've seen a lot of people now say mvp is an "inclusion award," like just accept that your favorite white guy didn't win it. I'm not saying you, but I've seen a lot of people's arguments boil down to lamar only won it because he's black. And I think it's sad that people look at the stats and not the actual game. You don't need the best stats to be the best (Kansas city team this year wasn't the best but still won)

[@koberobinson7647]

Here from the Twitter Logan!

[@carlhicksjr8401]

The MVP is different for every team. It's usually the really dependable guy who can throw/catch the long bomb or has a knack for breaking protection and herding QBs like a sheepdog. But it can also be that One Guy who that Incredible Thing that won your team that Signature Win. And nobody ever agrees on who the MVP is. It's just something else to argue about 😁

[@SlySheneman]

2k rushing yards should always get the MOP

[@ryaneugenelawrencewalls1987]

The NFL's MVP award today it's mostly the Quarterbacks who wins the award but Running Backs have won it too 4:00

[@codypagels1598]

People love to whine about MVP going to quarterbacks, but there are only like 15 guys on the planet that can play QB consistently well without tragically screwing up multiple times a game. To me, that means it’s the hardest position to play well in sports. Every other position has scores of guys that can play it competently. It’s also the most singularly important position in all of team sports. If you have the 20th best QB, the whole team is dead in the water. If you have the 20th best anything else, it can be overcome if you have a good QB. No player at any other position is more valuable than the best quarterback. It’s not bias, it’s an affirmation of the fact that they have rarer and more important skill sets than anyone else.

[@cjc2010]

Ah, yes, the MVQB award.

[@martino5742]

Randy Moss achieved a record 23 receiving touchdowns in 2007... over the course of 16 games. The pace of 22 tds over 12 games would result in 29 and 1/3 touchdowns over 16 games. We could consider Moss or Megatron to be better, but we all must bow down to Jerry Rice as the greatest wide receiver of all time. Dude is statistically peerless

[@Guappenheimer]

Anyone know what that last instrumental track is called?

[@Taylose6]

DERRICK HENRY RAN FOR 2000 YARDS WITH ONE OF THE WORST O-LINES IN THE HISTORY OF THE SPORT!!!! (Sorry for yelling but I will never shut up about this)

[@laurinnn]

that is just factually wrong lmfao

[@Taylose6]

@@laurinnn which part? Zero all pro lineman (don’t count Lewan he was hurt for more than half the season), AJ brown was also out for a fair amount of games that season. You just don’t know ball, lil fella.

[@laurinnn]

@@Taylose6 if I were you I wouldn't be talking so much about stuff you CLEARLY have absolutely zero knowledge on🤣🤣🤣 Titans OL in 2020: 20th in run block win rate, 7th in yards before contact per rush, 15h in PFF OL rankings. case closed

[@DepravedCoTApologist]

Honestly, this whole season's MVP debate really soured me on the award and it's conversation. The whole thing is a popularity contest designed to drive a narrative. I don't care anymore

[@bearger4790]

im convinced this is brett kollmans alt account

[@gmontanabeats]

Everybody's glazing the qbs lol.

[@Kharn996]

Honestly, I'm also very much in favor of having a QB award and excluding them from the Offensive player of the year conversation. This year with what a monstrous season CMC had and it generally being kind of a down year for QBs I thought "now or never", and apparently the answer is never. Not that Lamar didn't play an outstanding season, he did and I generally don't have a problem with him winning it. I just hope the NFL makes a change to their award system. At least Lamar won it, I think it would've been a huge slap in the face to CMC if Purdy had won it. He was so clearly the motor of that offense, more impressive that he was with Aiyuk and Deebo at WR, Kittle at TE and not to forget the best FB In the game in Jusczyk.

[@dfp_01]

Because the NFL doesn't have an "official" MVP award, the Offensive and Defensive Player of the Year awards are the highest honors given by the NFL. I wouldn't be opposed to an official quarterback of the year award though (or a special teamer of the year-special teams erasure is even worse than big man erasure).

[@christopherhoward8118]

THEY SHOULD CHANGE THE AWARD TO MOST VALUABLE QUATERBACK

[@o7_AP]

Just go the college route and have awards for the best at each position

[@kevinpowers3907]

Baseball is the ultimate team sport. The Angels had 2 transcendent players on their roster for years and consistently finished below .500. In football every team with a good QB is going to make the playoffs more often than not. Actually no sport relies more on 1 player than football. Which is why only football players are saying its the ultimate team sport. Because there arent other guys out here saying it.

[@fizzyfuzz5878]

It's a crime Calvin Johnson or cooper kupp hasn't won one..

[@hia5235]

Kupp in 22 clearly the MVP he even won SB MVP afterwards....

[@fortynights1513]

The last receiver to get an MVP was Lance Alworth in 1963 in the AFL if you want to count those players.

[@LL_Cool_Dre]

I never understood how a quarterback will win MVP but then a running back or receiver will win OPOY, or how defensive player are just about exempt from consideration. Just do what college does and make an award for every position

[@kevinpowers3907]

It is literally just them admitting they only value the QB. Like the QB is the best offensive player if he is MVP but they consistently give it to non-QBs who didnt win MVP. Its stupid.

[@alexhussey1308]

that’s the All-Pro team

[@alexhussey1308]

@@kevinpowers3907 they give OPOY to non QBs because 1. the awards are different. What would be the point of two awards that are exactly the same and 2. OPOY are often a non-QB precisely because of the people who want non-QBs to win MVP

[@kevinpowers3907]

@@alexhussey1308 1) if the QB is the most valuable player in the entire league, then how could he not also be the most outstanding offensive player? And 2) yes that’s literally just agreeing with what I said

[@alexhussey1308]

@@kevinpowers3907 Most valuable does not mean best at what they do. This is where the disconnect is. If Derrick Henry is the best at his job among all offensive players in the NFL, he should win OPOY. If what Lamar Jackson does from the QB position is the most valuable single player in the NFL, he should win MVP. These are not the same thing. It could be that Henry is the best RB, but that isn’t nearly as valuable as being the best QB, and it never will be because of the current rules of football. Therefore we give out an award for the most valuable player AND the player who was the best at their position. Sometimes it’s the same, sometimes it’s not. If you want to change the label to best QB that’s fine. But in the old days, before the forward pass was broken, and before the salary cap existed, there was a more legitimate argument for an RB to be the most valuable.

[@jdgundy]

If defenses collectively agree to not guard tyreek at all next season, together we can make him mvp with 3000 yards and 35 tds

[@mozata6838]

Pro Football Chang's is my favorite voting committee

[@ChristianWelch-rq9rv]

You have no idea how bad I wish you did this video on the NBA MVP

[@VNC7700]

Please never put a background sound like the one you did in 7:47

[@dogwater4245]

facts bro it’s late rn for me and i’m high so that genuinely had me tweaking 💀

[@Lucifer_isthereal_god]

I would say this past year the one guy who deserved it more than anyone was CMC. That 9ers team would be a drastically less impressive team and definitely not in the superbowl if not for CMC. Of course I know postseason isnt being taken into account but as I stated the 9ers would be a completely less dominate team without CMC. Edit: oh and Mahomes should have been unanimous for both of his MVPs people just spite voted for other people.

[@mausschwitz4675]

The year a QB doesn’t deserve MVP still wins MVP

[@kylegardner6272]

Im a simple man. I hear the Peggle theme song music and i hit like

[@shadowsniper9542]

Honestly? I think they should just make the MVP a structured award that goes to the QB of the team with the best record, since that's apparently all it is anyways. Lamar's season this year was, statistically, ~120% of Tyrod Taylor's 2015 season with the Bills. After that season, the best you would see Tyrod ranked was between 15-20 best QB in the league. Jackson won MVP with 49 out of 50 first place votes, with some media outlets upset that he didn't win unanimously. If the biggest difference between 20th best QB and unanimous MVP is going 13-4 instead of 8-8, just make that an official award and do something else for the rest of the league.

[@TEDDYRALEIGHRACINE]

what about a special teams player of the year

[@JACKx0FxSPADES]

where is bro at

[@RBXROCK]

Jim brown doing push ups, what didn't he do on the athletic field perfectly?

[@nate8415]

yes, Quarterback is the "most valuable" in the NFL, but i think the MVP award should be viewed as "wins/point differential over average level replacement". You can slide a lot of QBs in that niners system and have similar production to Brock Purdy, (he is a great player and had a great season not a diss on Purdy) so i think its kind of silly he was an MVP candidate. where as if you replace a guy like JJ watt in his MVP caliber season with an average DE, the Texans would be a much worse team. This concept of "wins/point differential over average level replacement" is opposed to Set The Edges idea of renaming it "most outstanding player" because if a player at a low value position has an outstanding season, positional value should play a factor. I think edge rusher, considering they are often taken in the first couple picks of the draft like QB, and considering the impact they have on the passing game, is a prime position that should be considered for this award. For example, if Myles Garrett plays even better this year and the Browns are the 1 seed, I think he would be worthy of MVP over say another similar caliber season by Lamar Jackson

[@bulldogsbob]

You can say the same thing about Mahomes. The chiefs were averaging double digits wins a season before he got there.

[@hia5235]

Cooper Kupp was robbed in 22

[@stevenstocker7425]

The award should just be titled “Most valuable Quarterback” because that’s what it is. I hate how QB friendly the award has gotten. CMC or tyreek should have won mvp over Lamar this year. Tbh Lamar’s stats were barely pro bowl worthy.

[@Nicholas_Goatifii]

Are you alive

[@Michael-kw1mz]

RAHHHH ORENTHAL JAMES SIMPSON MENTIONED LETS GO

[@Nick77ab2]

It's obviously broken, Justin Tucker should be winning MVP every season.

[@gabrieljones1570]

P. F. Changs ☠️😂

[@deonlepharaoh]

I don't see why they don't be like mlb or ncaa and have an award for every position.. Then just dump the mvp altogether

[@mitchelldouglas2483]

Ik the mvp award is broken when a man can pass for 5 5000 yard seasons and not win not a single one (Drew Brees)

[@seakc87]

The MVP at this point is the same as the Cy Young for baseball

[@JimmyMac840]

Stay awesome and amazing