The NFL's Wheel of Discipline Has Long Been Broken

[@FivePointsVids]

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[@maplejet]

Wow, two wheel of discipline videos by 2 youtubers who definitely do not know each other uploaded moments apart!

[@BiggusJakeus]

As coincidental as Watson, Mayfield and Wilson coming back against their own teams…

[@celticwarrior8574]

You mean this isn't UT's channel!?

[@skillganon606]

And we've always been at war with East Asia.

[@FelipeYoshioCordeirodeSouza]

He knows, it's like a serious version

[@FelipeYoshioCordeirodeSouza]

@@BiggusJakeus also Tom Watson getting a similar punishment, and he doesn't even play football, fuck Bettman (still better than Manfred, but that's not a high bar)

[@ErikCB912]

NFL’s most notable suspensions over the last 10 years: Sean Payton: 1 season for allegedly being involved in bountygate Ray Rice: 2 games for video evidence domestic violence against girlfriend Josh Gordon: suspended full seasons for smokong weed Greg Hardy: 4 games for photo evidence of domestic violence against girlfriend Tom Brady: 4 games for allegedly deflating footballs Ezekiel Elliot: 6 games for domestic violence of which there was no proof and dropped charges Calvin Ridley: suspended entire season for $1500 bet Alvin Kamara: possibly no suspension for beating the crap out of a man at the pro bowl Deshaun Watson: 11 games for nearly 30 accusations of sexual misconduct God I’d like to know what Goodell is smoking

[@George_Fl0yd]

Ray Rice had every right to knock her out cuz his girl spit in his face and violated his manhood. I would of definitely done the same if I was in that situation. Ezekiel Elliott shouldn’t of got anything. He was found innocent but nooooo nfl wants to be a ally for wah men Greg Hardy is the one who should of got a bigger punishment. Unlike Ray Rice, Greg wasn’t defending himself nor was he disrespected so this is a case that nfl should of treated the same they are handling deshaun watson Deshaun Watson should of had 6 instead of 11. Most of the charges turned out to be false only about 5 had actual any evidence of it Alvin Kamara DEFINITELY should of got punished. The only way he could of got out of it is if the guy Called him a racial slur

[@santumi2298]

wait so what was the context to Ezekiel Elliot, were the 6 games like, while he was under investigation, or is the NFL smoking

[@George_Fl0yd]

@@santumi2298 the nfl was smoking on the Ezekiel case basically

[@MPHswayze]

@@George_Fl0yd hateful incel comment

[@danielleasewala2225]

@@santumi2298 Context is jerry jones was in a dick measuring contest with goodell at the time and that happened. Zeke was collateral in the power struggle as I believe this was just after he signed that massive contract.

[@ThatShadowSiren]

If the NFL didn't have double standards they would have no standards. Period.

[@MarloSoBalJr]

Also, a towel gets wet when it touches water

[@FelipeYoshioCordeirodeSouza]

But they don't, that's the whole point

[@warlordofbritannia]

@@FelipeYoshioCordeirodeSouza They do, they clearly think betting and smoking weed is exponentially worse than beat a woman unconscious and/or a couple dozen (alleged) cases of SA

[@darthsilversith667]

Just like democrats

[@warlordofbritannia]

@@darthsilversith667 Ffs

[@lastsinnersa8002]

Tree and FivePoints spinning the wheel of discipline at once to back up the bonus Dumpster Fire stream. Finally someone calling this saga as it is. Keep up the grind, Five.

[@FelipeYoshioCordeirodeSouza]

Why there wasn't a Clickbait this week?

[@lastsinnersa8002]

@@FelipeYoshioCordeirodeSouza Scooter is in Africa, Grossi was at Green Bay practice, Perna was also busy. They were the only ones around that day.

[@calebwinfield1403]

@@lastsinnersa8002 Grossi out there trying to get himself a roster spot.

[@TheChrisPhoenix]

@@calebwinfield1403 #GBWR1

[@clipobserver]

@@calebwinfield1403 and to get yell at by Rodgers

[@matthewshortle5274]

This video was uploaded literally a couple of minutes after Tree uploaded Wheel of Discipline

[@djboston6654]

These two coming out at the same time was the only thing more planned than DeShaun coming back to play the texans.

[@NathanSpies]

KZbin is getting really stupid with making content creators censor normal non-swear words it’s making FivePoint Vids sound like Porky Pig

[@vanessastegall]

Community guidelines are to blame.

[@sirrandomguy01]

When you get the DumpsterFire Wheel of Discipline Vids

[@vengefulfork7169]

Perfectly timed with Tree

[@diegozein6702]

Who’s here after Tree’s video?

[@keylens.6900]

🙋‍♂️

[@alesolren]

🙋🏽‍♀️

[@Danishsnufkin]

🙋🏼‍♂️

[@vanessastegall]

Not me

[@Djcolinc]

🙋

[@jacoblarmor8539]

I find it very odd that Goddell raised Watsons suspension to exactly 11 games, just in time for Watson to make his cleveland debut in Houston. Clearly a business decision if you ask me

[@warlordofbritannia]

Nah, I’m sure that’s just coincidence…

[@theunwelcome]

I will never, ever understand any part of the Ray Rice saga; the two-game suspension, the team defending him before watching the video, the fact that she stayed with him after he knocked her out cold...

[@darthsilversith667]

She don’t want to give up the life 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@warlordofbritannia]

Abusive relationships are horrifying things-that last one actually makes the most sense, sadly…

[@voiceofreason2674]

Smh that Lil B song defending ray rice explains the mentality of getting beat in the hood

[@DrSquiidyz]

currently sitting in an abandon mall watching five point life couldn’t be better!

[@GageRyanVideo]

As a Steeler fan, I can absolutely promise you, nobody's forgotten about Ben's past. lol

[@burnbabylonburn78]

Captain Fat…well, you know🤣

[@RudieObias]

The American Justice System is also broken, so I guess that’s fair

[@warlordofbritannia]

Heck, even the white players (see Big Ben, Tom Brady, etc) get more leniency that the black ones (Josh Gordon, Watson, etc)

[@CJEstradaMartinez]

The inconsistencies in the length of suspensions handed down by Roger Goodell are maddening and mind-blowing.

[@nasis18]

If it's something off the field, especially violence towards women, the NFL is like meh. If it is something that seems to affect the integrity of the game i.e. betting, deflated footballs etc, then they drop the hammer. The NFL doesn't want to give off the perception of the game being tainted. They don't care what their athletes do as long as they deliver on the field.

[@akenohimejima9182]

Don't forget about the Ezekiel Elliott case where his suspension was placed and lifted multiple times throughout the season despite the fact the girl admitted she was lying

[@brandonmaddox4862]

I truly believe that cost us a super bowl that season

[@JarradBruessel32]

@@brandonmaddox4862 it's the cowboys dude. You aren't winning a super bowl no matter what

[@kennycai8695]

Hindsight proved that was just a pretext for Goodell to flex over Jerry Jones, since at that time, Jones was very vocal about getting Goodell replaced as Commissioner. It backfired, and well, let's say humans can be REAL petty when it comes to payback.

[@brayrock8190]

Roger Goodell is so goofy

[@1223jamez]

Roger Goodell is a disaster!

[@markbollinger1343]

I feel it’s time to start suspending the players for a year, multi million dollar fines, and their team can release them with no payment penalties. Maybe even start fining the team or forcing forfeits. There is a violence problem among professional athletes, it is time to bring and end to it. Is mere mortals would probably lose our jobs, and reputation. So should these people.

[@jessehaskins7849]

The NFL just wanted Deshaun’s first game back to be against the Texans to boost ratings. It’s working exactly how it’s supposed to.

[@HaydenU]

sad but true.

[@calebwinfield1403]

Before I watched this video, I had a small penis, no girlfriend, and hated myself. None of those things have changed but the video is pretty good.

[@defnoteliv]

why did they only give deshaun 11 games and ridley the whole season just for betting on draft kings

[@jabarricharles-barnes658]

False equivalence

[@byff2323]

Tree and Five back to back

[@bryantfuehrer2095]

You didn't mention Ridley's full season suspension for betting on a game that he had no influence on...

[@Giantsfanlewis]

love your vids 5 points. as a fellow giants fan it's nice to have a football KZbinr with the same favorite team. that said, the nfls amorality has left such a bad taste in my mouth that you won't have me rooting by your side this season or for the foreseeable future. ill continue to give you the watch like and share treatment though. keep up the great work

[@skillganon606]

You're lucky you got someone halfway normal, I've got scooter.

[@FelipeYoshioCordeirodeSouza]

@@skillganon606 still more normal that Skip

[@andrewpadaetz5549]

the cost of the 1971 1st round pick for tampering was worth it if you're a Fins fan..it brought you Don Shula, who led the team in his first five seasons to playoff appearances every year, 3 Super Bowls, 2 Lombardis and the perfect season of '72. OK, no more trophies after that but Shula lasted all the way until 1995 by which time he was the NFL's winningest coach.

[@Postalbike3]

The wheel is completely broken. I remember back when the Ray rice news came up the league only gave him like 4 games after assaulting his lady. Then changed to a year suspension 🤨

[@KingBueno619]

Here after UrinatingTree

[@sportgamer3255]

6:45 wait the dolphins were caught tampering multiple times 😂😂😂

[@BryanPlaysYGO]

If I had a Nickel for each time Mark Wahlberg was mentioned leaving superbowl 51 early in a video today, I'd have 2 nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird it happened twice

[@poocrafter2]

So we're just going to brush past the Dolphins losing a 1st round pick for Tampering in 1971 and then 50 years later have now lost another 1st round pick for Tampering

[@robertkeefer1552]

Anyone remember how Paul Horning and Alex Karras were suspended the entire 1963 season for gambling?

[@grantpollmann6175]

You and tree posting the same thing, coincidence, I THINK NOT!

[@fan.of.feet2310]

It is now time to play WHEEL OF DISCIPLINE

[@SonofTuscon99]

The NFL racks disiprine.

[@12thMandalorian]

The NFL did nothing about Geno Smith’s DUI, now we have to watch him play 😂

[@ryancarroll1697]

Well that’s not a coincidence given Tree’s recent upload

[@bryantsteury8910]

RIP John Clayton indeed. Damn, sucks he's gone. Adam, ESPN would immediately gain so much credibility if they hired you and Tree. Here's hoping friend

[@splitman1129]

They can't even come up with own content. Definitely don't want to see them on ESPN.

[@ThinkTwice2222]

5P why do we act like the NFL is the government? Players are independent contractors, why should they give Any discipline outside the courts? If Watson worked at McDonald's there wouldn't be any punishment

[@patsfreak]

Booing Goodell after that game was amazing even if I was just yelling at my TV until my wife reminded me about the sleeping baby

[@grebelzz1j60]

Give Goodell a break! Hes only as consistent as actual court systems. Right!?

[@deronforde1360]

Since this video’s release, The NFL has suspended Chiefs linebacker Willie Gay for “violating the personal conduct policy.” The incident: Gay broke a vacuum cleaner during an argument with his child’s mother a few months ago, and no charges were pressed.

[@robbielewis4740]

I had to go to a wedding instead of watching the Steelers first Pre-Season game.

[@bryantsteury8910]

For AP: "old school southern discipline of his toddler son which ended up making contact with sensitive areas"

[@hbsupreme1499]

Yea cuz your a full on athlete and an abuser

[@wasteland5000]

Goodell on his high horse. "We feel that 6 games is NOT LONG ENOUGH! Watson will be suspend for, uh, (turns to assistant) how many games till the Texans v Browns?" "11 games, sir." 11 GAMES! DESHAUN WATSON WILL BE SUSPENDED FOR 11GAMES!"

[@joeringrose]

How do you fail to bring up Greg hardy. He had a ten game suspension then appealed to get 4 games. Same year as Brady’s suspension

[@Imjustacowboy]

W vids

[@YodaSmokes]

I’ll never defend roger goodell. But sadly, he’s about 100x better of a commissioner than Adam Silver. Silver completely ruined the Player- team relationships. And ruined the contracts of the league which allowed kd to go to the warriors in 2017. Worst commissioner in sports history hands down.

[@fernandofigueroa2408]

If you are talking about KD,let's talk about LBJ first whom did it in 2011 when he went to Miami. Don't get me wrong,both are pieces of crap but fair is fair even tbough neither deserve it.

[@sheckyfeinstein]

Let’s not forget about personal, individual responsibility is still a thing.

[@filanfyretracker]

How the heck is some puff puff on the happy grass worse than domestic violence? that really is some uneven enforcement.

[@speedybuilds2878]

This is a BIG reason why I don't pay attention to the NFL anymore.

[@brandensimmons653]

The dynamic duo with two videos

[@Eiuol81853]

I think one of the reasons for Goodell's lack of consistency in regards to the personal conduct policy has to be attributed to the NFLPA's fecklessness over the last two decades. Perhaps a stronger union would have negotiated a CBA where a binding arbitrator's (in this case, Judge Robinson) decision would have been the final on the Watson's case instead of still allowing the Ginger Hammer to wave his gavel willy nilly.

[@chillsportsfanatic372]

NBA MLB NFL NHL Owner Tier List maybe?

[@Uncultured_Barbarian465]

Everybody gets on the NFL for the Ray Rice light suspension, but as I pointed out to a coworker at the time, "There had to be District Attorneys who saw that same video and decided not to prosecute. Why doesn't anyone roast them?" And as an addendum to the Adrian Peterson story, the NFL and the Vikings weren't going to do anything to him, until one of their business partners, Mariott Hotels, I believe, made a statement that they were pulling their deal with the Vikings. Then you saw results. As soon as I heard the news, I posted in my Fantasy Football Group Page that if the NFL didn't do anything to him, as Commissioner I was thinking about removing him for the entire year. Only one person in the league complained, and I said to her, "You'd think being a mother with two kids would have some bearing on your decisions.", but she was all "Fantasy Football is Fantasy Football." Some people's children ... Anyway, good work on the video.

[@robertosborne8694]

Maybe that mom disciplined her kids the same way as Peterson?

[@Uncultured_Barbarian465]

@@robertosborne8694 Not that I know of. I saw them on a fairly regular basis, and they didn't exhibit the signs. A couple of my classmates had abusive parents, one hid it well, one didn't.

[@robertosborne8694]

@@Uncultured_Barbarian465 thanks for the feedback. Didn’t mean to disparage anyone.

[@Uncultured_Barbarian465]

@@robertosborne8694 It's cool. No real disparaging there. She's good to her kids from what I see, but she is often shit to others, including her friends like me. So you questioning her character wasn't far off. 😂😂

[@mjwatts1983]

Wheel of Discipline Turn turn turn Tell us the punishment we will receive

[@nicolassmith7241]

Tree and Five Points teaming up to tackle the issue of discipline in the NFL. I am grateful for you both

[@Riley_Mundt]

I still maintain that no punishment should have been handed to Watson until after the cases were all finished, and then only if he was found guilty. As it stands he's been given a punishment because of an accusation, and that should never be acceptable.

[@kingarthur3236]

You have way too much faith in the broken American justice system to do anything lmao

[@JarradBruessel32]

Oj was found not guilty yet we all know he fucking did it. Also they couldn't criminally charge him due to lack of physical evidence. He didn't leave bruises on the women and without videos or recordings there is no way to determine what truly happened. But the fact he admits shit happened and still doesn't understand what he did wrong coupled with the fact he was using massages as an excuse to get with these women makes him look pretty guilty. If you want to sleep with a woman or get a hand job why would you be useing massages as an excuse especially with the team helping you set these up and also making the women sign nda's

[@romiarkan450]

If the NFL truly wanted to punish the Patriots, they should've taken away their fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh round draft picks, cause Belichick can't use his top picks well

[@Channel-23s]

9:10 well Gordon did get warm 6-8 times and still chose to smoke weed same with the Olympics not allowing weed

[@brodyjames4126]

God forbid you take a knee

[@penguinreloaded7756]

He is not sorry. He's a monster. Lifetime ban wasn't going to happen, but I thought 2.5 years & 50M fine (to be distributed to foundations that help sexual assault survivors) would have been acceptable. This is gross. The Cleveland Browns are gross. Other teams (including my Carolina Panthers) are gross to have pursued this piece of garbage.

[@OGDeepStroke]

Will you do a weekly bit, roasting the losers from college? A weekly Triggering [X] fan base.

[@_Moses44]

I can’t believe Haynesworth is such a whit supremacist

[@highlordaaron69]

Roger Goodall: Calvin Ridley gambled and tried to make more money off me, 17 game suspension get rekt . Watson, Rice, etc doing actual criminal acts. 5-11 game suspension. Yea Ridley shouldn’t have gambles on nfl games but I feel that things like gambling and deflate-gate and marijuana should have way less harsher punishments then plays actively brake the law on a higher level.

[@slibertas1996]

Like an innocent player getting suspended 6 games (Zeke Elliot)

[@jimnfl7134]

Watson: *The NFL Won't Let Me Play, This is NOT FAIR!* Kaepernick: *Yeah, I know the Feeling.* Antonio Brown: *Take my advice and...Just Walk Away!* Side note: Enough Jokes about Giants beat Brady, that is NOW over 10 YEARS AGO!

[@andydrews4439]

With all due respect…you are LITERALLY one of the funniest people on KZbin 😭😭😭😭

[@grebelzz1j60]

Best of the Clickbait 5, for sure

[@brandongordon2392]

One again... The league has ruined lives over PEDs, Weed, and gambling, yet when it comes to sexual assault, it's basically turned a blind eye

[@nomar5spaulding]

What I fail to understand is why does the NFL have legal standing to punish players for literal crimes? Why is the NFL a separate legal entity from the *checks notes* legal system that's supposed to handle all this stuff?

[@miked31784]

Roger Stokoe Goodell is a clown and a cheater. He doesn’t deserve to be the commissioner of the NFL. He is unfair when it comes to punishments. He is also a “ha ha he he”, which is someone who is laughing at us when he is also serious. He is someone not to be trusted. Not too mention, he used to work for the Jets and he will punish teams in the same division as the Jets severely than other teams in the league.

[@joermnyc]

I think having to be QB for the Browns is enough punishment. (Sorry Cleveland.)

[@sbonfye8058]

I don’t agree that any NFL players should be punished for anything they did outside of work, the NFL doesn’t own them.

[@dergiggler3603]

Don't forget about Calvin Ridley

[@tristancampbell4941]

Adam Silver solos

[@floridagator1765]

Inconsistently, inconsistent 😟

[@hommie789]

And the number of games at 11 now. It seems to be really odd but if you look at it Deshaun Watson's first game back is against the Texans. No wonder it wasn't 12 or 14 games

[@ethanpinella3074]

And then there is Dan Snyder

[@leoschenk2118]

The wheel of discipline can't be broken, the whole point of the wheel is that it's fucking random, that's the damn joke

[@LordyT34]

But remember, we can't have players taunting the other teams, think of the message that would send to the children!

[@BoondockGore]

Just don't gamble on games... Murder people I don't care 🤷 ~Roger Goodell

[@lance2465]

NFL Discipline is broken!

[@warlordofbritannia]

I don’t get why people think the NFL is inconsistent-they’ve actually been exceptionally consistent in punishing weed users and players making money on the side far more severely than domestic violence and SA Big Ben: 4 games Deshaun: 11 Ray Rice: 2 Average: 5 games Tom Brady (allegedly having someone else maybe deflate a football, probably, possibly): 4 Josh Gordon (weed): Literally whole seasons, about 60 games altogether across five different suspensions Calvin Ridley (placed a few bets on games he wasn’t playing in): indefinitely, one season minimum Average: about 11-12 games per offense

[@crypt_yt9328]

Watson is innocent!

[@fernandofigueroa2408]

What?No Vontez Burfict? Wow FPV,you are losing some edge.

[@tylerleggett5088]

The calvin ridley situation is hypocrisy squared. How does Watson get 11 games while ridley gets a full season suspension? Last time I checked, sexual assault on over two dozen women *allegedly* is way worse than sports betting. The league also gets millions from an activity now legal in most states and expexts their players not to place a bet when ever other commercial during a game is compelling you to join in the fun. I know it's just preseason, but I have zero interest in watching the nfl amongst the plague of bad pr and legal woes. I quit watching wwe amongst all their scandals in 2019, so it won't be hard for me to cut out this cancer from my viewing schedule

[@hmu958]

Goodell is The #1 grifter. Undisputed. And the owners cant get rid of him.

[@JonathanMerlinSymmank]

If the Browns didn’t have the Texans on their schedule, Watson would’ve been suspended for the entire season!

[@ImGoingSupersonic]

Ma says Hi for the fuxkin 88th time.

[@kennycai8695]

Not disavowing Watson of any wrongdoing here, and unless one of his cases actually gets hauled into a courtroom, we will never know the real details. However, the way this case was handled reeks of a half-hearted attempt to virtue signal in the face of a certain movement which will definitely put me on a microscope. When the Ray Rice incident happened, there was not a big fuss about labels and rights (this was in 2014, anything past 2016 is when things get real crazy). Twitter was a lot tamer back then, and believe me, if a 2nd Ray Rice scandal happened today, that would have been an automatic indefinite suspension, even if it's just to keep the wannabe activists away from digging through the League's proverbial closet for dirt. The so-called Wheel of Discipline is really just a PR tool to make the League look good in light of off-field scandals and controversies, cause at least on the field, you have multiple witnesses watching the infraction. What a player does off-field is really anyone's game, but seeing how much the League is pandering to the wannabe activists (possibly hoping to rope them in as a free PR team, the fools), it really depends if any labels are being trotted out. Seriously, when AB called Mike Mayock a slur, the most he got was a fine (until the Raiders decided enough was enough and outright cut him). If the roles (AB is black, Mayock is white) or genders were reversed, it would have been the Pandora's Box of crap storms if word got out.

[@bengibson3298]

Tree's wheel is more functional than NFL's wheel

[@stirlingallan671]

Calvin Ridley! That’s all I’m gonna say

[@SadfoxGuyver]

Suspension for college. Right

[@slibertas1996]

Watson already sat a year.

[@thefriendlygamer2221]

We forget what ben did because he didn't do anything

[@andrewd1131]

Went back to back with you and tree

[@clipobserver]

Of course, why is Dan Synder still a owner?

[@A._Dot]

Calvin Ridley

[@skankhunt47]

I may be wrong but I thought it's still alleged? I don't think he should be punished until proven guilty. And if guilty it should be jail time not just suspension right?