The Number One Reason You Lose Arena (and how to fix it)

[@GoCreateSomething]

This is literally the first positioning discussion I've seen for Wow arenas. Having put in some reps in Overwatch as a healer, I've seen what positioning can mean in a game. It would be nice to see a discussion of winning positioning for comps other than double caster vs melee healer too.

[@Briggsta]

Briggsta here - this gave us a ton of insight when rewatching this. There were a lot of things I could’ve done to play this better. This was a great teaching moment for my rl friend Dmabe about positioning as well. He’s only been playing the game for almost 2 months now and learned a lot from this single match. Good stuff.

[@kudamtema3386]

I love this! Have fun learning together. You 2 will do great

[@RayRay-uw6ms]

they are not friends anymore

[@uppymcdowny58]

The number one reason you lose arena: You run out of health before your opponent does. You're welcome

[@EurrikkeEdward]

real reason: you dont pick fotm/op classes

[@antoniomf8399]

:O thats the kind of information I was looking for ty !

[@stephenchavez5318]

Thanks man! Saved me 11 minutes and 58 seconds 👍🏻👏🏻

[@uppymcdowny58]

From Maui ?????

[@P1DZz]

😂😂😂

[@gerardopadilla2666]

"Hide behind your Warlock's skirt". That sums up those 12 minutes.

[@SeemsLikeSomething]

Are ya saying it’s a bad thing? Lol I mean, pillar, skirt, whatever, it’s just what leads to victory and the ends justify the means!

[@joshuaanderson3889]

In short: when your in to deep always pull out

[@entitledtolife]

😂😂😂😂

[@DeviousDtv]

lmfao Rules to live by

[@antriggs4190]

Never pull out

[@jzmmm]

But it feels so goooood

[@jasminetaylor5416]

Ma man, combust n dip

[@Tckena]

15 years of wow playing, and you just teach me something very usefull. Thx bro

[@johnsmith5068]

Depends what the comp is.

[@MrNikh0o1]

I'd love to see this kind of video with an actual bad pvp class. This was helpful but as a mage you actually have chances of doing things but what happens with others classes.

[@oslier3633]

Classes like what? Rogue? Priest? Warrior? You do realize the lock is doing he heavy lifting right?

[@ckirk7317]

@@oslier3633 like Ele Shaman? =P

[@snackpup]

Finding an equally skilled player who is playing the right class is the most important thing. It's a social game.

[@domhamai]

‘Equally’ being key, if you’re trying to find someone higher rating to carry you you won’t progress as quickly.

[@snackpup]

@@domhamai exactly, you need two good players who aren't playing bad classes. Chain only strong as weakest link 🖇️

[@AranHogan]

What I took from this is just be patient, dont try to 100-0 them straight out the gate and wait for your openings. Thanks Xar!

[@AutodidaktKrakiler]

Just gone from being stuck between 1500-1600 to 1800 after watching this with my arena buddy. Ty

[@PvPaddict007]

good idea for a series- teach people to arena- love the vid man

[@twothousandgt]

So we're not going to talk about the clutch candy drop at all then?

[@michaelbellamy5861]

Was it that clutch though? Xar most likely said "crap where's my candy" and both enemies were lined so the lock wasn't doing anything else anyway. a 200 cr lock would have dropped candy at that moment. Not saying the lock didn't do some great things but that's not really the highlight we should be making.

[@Cornell90]

It was good, but let's be honest here.. he didnt even use the candy.

[@fulcanelli8352]

I used this info in my latest arena matches. You're the man. I couldn't figure out how to alleviate pressure when I'm getting trained, but this one vid made life so much easier.

[@nirodhajaysinghe7242]

Melee version of this would be sick as well bro.

[@esportbets]

I second that!

[@Vaidz]

YEA!!!!

[@takme09]

PLZ!

[@jfast8256]

I went from a 20% win rate to a 60% win rate. I did this by altering my talents to make sense for PvP. I really spent weeks using PvE trinket/talents for PvP. After 3 weeks, I finally bought PvP trinkets. One more week later I finally altered my talents while doing PvP. I feel stupid.

[@elixir4213]

I actually absorbed info from this step by step pause explanation style compared to your other vids. Thank you keep these coming!

[@Rave.-]

Should have a disclaimer that this is only relevant to ranged...

[@Rave.-]

The instructions given by Xar were pretty specific to range here. He would have to adapt how he talked about the fight if he wants to teach melee positioning at a high level.

[@drbeef5054]

@@Rave.- i mean his main takeaway is that positioning is something EVERYONE has to be mindful about; range, melee, and healer. in situations where you are melee, the biggest thing to do against caster cleaves and try to fight your opponent near a pillar. Dk shouldve gripped lock as he has no way to get out aside from a hardcast gateway

[@Scryeless]

Also this strat only works with warlock because of warlocks currently being raid bosses. The lock won that match.

[@drbeef5054]

Scryeless not at all, if you get behind mage: poly spam. If you get beind shadow priest: mind control fears and horror. If you get behind an Boomy: Clones

[@davidcardinal3654]

If I was the DK I would save burst windows for grip attempts and just hit and run until one of them make a mistake. Save burst for both AMS and a separate grip attempt. He could also kill warlock pets while he waits for a mount up. And can’t monks get a hand of freedom like spell?

[@Mooncat747]

Frost dk, amz talent, delirium. Stun the lock, burst dps the mage. Easy done. Position wherever you want because it's not going to matter. This video is 1dps 1 healer vs 2 dps. Positioning is relevant depending on the specific class, arena, etc. Lots of variables. Good video in showing a very specific type of fight against a very specific type of class. I'm sure you know that but obviously some people here don't which is why they are asking you to do more videos using other classes. Not a bad idea.

[@andreistanciu4359]

TLDR: disengage and eat while your warlock 2v1s

[@valeriy9522]

Killing mage in 2s when there is a warlock is probably the worst dessision. He could pop Lichborne, and make good burst on warlock, then easily def from ALL bursts with amz and ams and when dks has nothing warlock would be already dead. Dk was insanely bad but the video is still very useful!

[@TendoTheDude]

SO glad to see you hit 100k my brotha. And amazing view counts on the videos. Love it. Been here since 15k. Been all about positioning ever since

[@Fizzknot]

im here 2 years later into a whole different expansion but this actually made me realize how much smarter I can position, sheesh Xar thanks

[@amandomoreno7878]

Yo Xar can you make more rogue mage breakdowns please. I play rogue and just want to know what are the stray against different comps and what should be the main ways to play rogue mage. Thanks keep ballin

[@jorgefelipa2648]

he already updated one a few months ago

[@soralol5232]

@@jorgefelipa2648 I think that's why the other guy is asking if he can make MORE of them :D (more implies there already exists atleast 1 yes I'm fun at parties)

[@blackprince325]

i like instructional arena commentaries like this one great job

[@Lithirrael]

Nice guide Xaryu. What about some insight to how the melee should play against double caster? I have been having this frustration in 2s and 3s. We LOS caster cds but I can never stick onto one caster without being peeled off and having to run behind a pillar again. What are you thoughts from the melee point of view?

[@mrbronzebar5488]

i dont usually comment on arena tips vids, but imma make an exception this time. really well explained. awesome content.

[@AhmedAbdo-ty9nk]

Am a Destro lock and i'd never had the chance to see a mage understands what we need, thx for explaining it

[@Thefameprince]

Good shit xaryu. Wonder why this guy never thought to do a single point of damage to the warlock though.

[@Hadjo373]

Love this style of video, like you said most of us know what to cast etc, but positions is a different story. Would like to see more of these!

[@chc2650]

I have to commend you for actually teaching something very useful and not being click bait.

[@TendoTheDude]

Holy shit 261k. Damn Xar comin' in hot. Love to see it. Cya next stream brotha.

[@SeemsLikeSomething]

I always think he’s saying “heyyy guyzzzz are you here?”... lol

[@Alin4everme]

The number one reason you lose arena: You dont play meta classes like paladin, rogue, mage

[@BluEclipse94]

Monk, Warrior as well

[@NavyNukerz1337]

9:55 "By the way if anyone has joined the stream recently Abomb stands for abomination, I'm just using slang"

[@justinerickson282]

#1 reason I lose arenas is because my healer pushes in at the wrong time. Positioning Positioning Positioning Then remember communication and timing

[@今晚打胖虎-z9c]

no, the No1 reason for me losing arena is being a feral druid and in the unhealable Cat form, i died in 2 seconds

[@NefariousPorpoise]

The Number One Reason You Lose Arena: You Picked The Wrong Class.

[@dareo_larix]

NefariousPorpoise the number one reason why you lose in the arena: you only play pvp and dont get pve equip

[@PartosBarbos]

And you do not have needed corruption and your clock level corruption resistance is low because you started to play recently.

[@kylus2677]

@@PartosBarbos saw a video of a german player whi played from 0 to like 2200+ as a enhancer shaman with 420gs....so it seems like were just all shit (:

[@tomnguyen128]

more like you forgot to pve

[@gamingispleasure8436]

@@tomnguyen128 ohh dude pve for pvp is such a mess I'm wishing the old days back where I do pvp for pvp x)

[@dylanrichmond8928]

6:07 "eat, maybe bandage." RIP first aid, too soon.

[@bencebanyai4303]

you can still bandage in arena, tailoring makes bandages

[@anders8461]

I like how you explain this. I know arena isnt my thing, but i'm gonna try this now

[@ArkyRazorbacks63]

I loved this video and I’ve been questioning the same thing. Fixed my positioning after this and pushed 2k rating in one sitting

[@danielesquivel8936]

Take Away: Fire Mage +Destro is so broken a healer cannot possibly outheal their damage in the open

[@danielesquivel8469]

@@terrum-c7s shimmer doesn't give a shit

[@Goonii]

This here will change my gameplay. Thank you

[@youngbkatt7835]

Great video Xar! You explained the impact of positioning very well and I think a lot of people who watched this video have taken something from it to improve their game-play.

[@kampii2958]

Very nice and informative, every video I’m learning something new.

[@jakefreas4794]

Bro I love this style of video plz more of them

[@jorgemansur1055]

Nice video Xaryu. But What would be your advice in case of I'm the Lock and playing with a healer. Do i leave my healer between me and my opponent? Take care and congrats for the great job. ^^

[@Diopside.]

I am amazed how u explaining so detailed, thanks Xaryu!

[@galineftimov855]

Thats really nice!! Can you make a same kind of video for melee positioning.. with healer or with dps aswell? ;)

[@Shapookya]

healer/melee positioning: healer behind pillar, melee rushes in 60 yards away from you and gets kited behind another pillar. You are forced to go in as well or else he dies. You are in the open, get CC'ed, your melee dies and flames you for lack of heals.

[@psychopath5788]

Great lesson man. Thanks for these small tips that are really game changing.

[@GoonBayBee]

This is one of the most useful and informative pvp videos I’ve seen in a hot minute.

[@infomanone2801]

Second reason is. you lose control. If you take control from the start, you win.

[@TherapyWithTheWord]

The buttons your press are more important than where you are standing.

[@Suiq248]

He seems to know how I feel trying to teach people about arena , stuff seems like common sense but just blows over so many people's head

[@Ac130spectree]

xaryu > skillcapped. no srsly, great content xar

[@Teawen1234]

so simple but so important. thanks alot buddeh !

[@Disrespectin21]

Love analytical game play like this! Great video!

[@anttihakkarainen9250]

Love you vids, I thought I knew a lot but you've taught me so much more :D! Very entertaining video as always, keep it up!

[@FernandoComicsOfficial]

you can't get reaping procs anymore from pets sadly

[@FakeZOOr]

This is what I was looking for. So much useful information that I am going to put in good use. Can you tell me or maybe perhaps make a video on how to deal with healers? How to properly set a cc chain to kill them, or perhaps kill dps while healer is Cc'ed. I struggle a lot against healers.

[@admiralcrev5119]

That Athene reference made me smile

[@Swiftrootsdadudu]

Great vid man, the only thing i would have maybe liked is an explanation on what the OTHER team could have done better. Could they have played more aggressive since they were a heal/dps comp? why or why not?

[@wheresmyshield176]

Xaryu games : (looking through bags and maps while at 12% for HS) *Come get your candies kids* Me : *Will to survive doesn't ClEaNsE rOoTs??!!*

[@Dorfess]

been trying so hard to just get the vicious mount but ive never pvped and randoms dont want to help i'm at 5% towards the mount tho so slowly but surely i'm a warrior

[@Warcoat500]

Best advice I can give is run with a Mistweaver or Rdruid if your arms... Warriors really soft in pvp

[@twilightangelgaming7927]

so if their goal was to force you to the pillar but your strategy kept that from happening, what should have been the correct response from the other team

[@Kimjungskill]

Dude paid homage to Athene! Bruh! That brought back memories! ITS DA GAMESS!

[@andreapiola369]

Funny the dude is now probably being convicted.

[@geofreyp91]

Whatever happen to Athene last I seen he was running some election thingy

[@jozeft.6348]

@@geofreyp91 It is sorta crazy. He became a cult leader, just search for him on youtube and you can find the whole story.

[@jessejamez707]

right i thought i was the only that noticed that for a sec lol

[@Dragoon626]

Late to the party watching this video but I"m sure it's going to help me win more games. Thanks for sweet tasty bit of info!

[@cannons3713]

Thumbs up great vid. Would have enjoyed it more if you gave an explanation as to what the Abomination does and why you need to be careful of it. Same goes for most PvP videos just wish there was an explanation on other specs defensive/offensive CDs. Im too old now to know every specs abilities lol. Great vid though man really enjoyed it

[@phillipehunts5198]

do you make these videos with other classes ? would like a survival hunter vid :D your good at explaining, havent thought about this positioning stuff ever.. but how to position as melee ect.

[@XurosDH]

Definitely gonna take this advice, thank you so much!

[@Helas101]

Thats actually pretty useful, never really thought about this. Thank you very much!

[@thakuzzo7078]

Super helpful brother thank you!

[@leonh2242]

I noticed many lock are making mistakes by standing near pillar, the melee can easily go behind pillar to avoid chaos bolt

[@syedahmed4202]

HAHA! My guy dropped the SCHWFF round the corner! 10/10 Great video once again, much love

[@Echsenmerkel]

Xar pls tell Blizzard they should Fix Subrogue in shadowlands this class is the biggest Bullshit in the game atm. here a Quote form Blizzard "Throughout WoW’s history, Rogues have always had a broad utility toolkit for damage, control and survivability. " now u have nothing left you only have stuns blind and a sap (that often cant use after blind coz ppl stuck in combat after 8 sec blind) why every class get good spells back in shadowlands exept rogue.... rogue just get poisn on eveyry specc no control no surv nothing we get back slice n dice is for pve dmg rotation = no utitily, Rupture same story. for example druid get clone baseline why we dont get Bomb baseline? if they dont fix the tool kit of sub rogue he will be the worst class again for a whole xpac pls Xar talk to Blizzard

[@shoveit5783]

Can you do a guide for TBC arena? Tactics for each setup, placements, etc.

[@Sag-w7n]

Hey Zar, thank you for the amazing video! The positioning is very important for sure, but could you please also make a guide for more basic movement? I mean, it's important for mage to step back sometimes, but backpedalling does not seem like a good option. Also moving and casting effectively could help to greatly improve results. Thanks!

[@honorevoisin1014]

damn this is so accurate... weeks ago i didn t really enjoyed ur content but since i started arena/playing mage i find that very cool and interesting! nice vids u good

[@honorevoisin1014]

definitivly my channel discover of the month!

[@tbatong3983]

Honestly my biggest issue is that i cant eaven see who i am attacking. And dont know who my teammate attack in solo. Its messy but yet im doin ok. But if i find a way to improve that i think it would be a big step

[@ReignierAvon]

Newly returned to WoW last week. What addons are you using in this video for PvP? Any recommendations in general?

[@sheeparewhite7422]

Love the educational videos. Good work xar

[@Starplaya]

I loved that mention. We go woosh - Round the Corner, Round the Corner we going... :D this reminds me of the old days I loved that guy. Best Paladin in the world. You are amazing btw Xaryu keep it up

[@collective1515]

Haven't even watched this and I liked the video because I already know it's going to be good. Thanks for making this helpful content!

[@collective1515]

Update: I was correct in my assumption.

[@mcjesusmcjesus7704]

You just taught me how to play my lock holy feck this is gonna be deadly

[@pedjonga]

more vídeos like this please, nice work!

[@ytacc2205]

I get the point but wouldn't be that easy on maps like Black Rook Hold - Dalaran Arena & maybe even Ruins of Lordaeron, tho you could just run into spawn each time i guess on Ruins Of Lordaeron.

[@xtigerhoods3259]

Wait I thought it was because my essences suck, corruptions suck, trinkets suck, 0 sockets, only 59 corruption resistance. Dang

[@stevecarruthers4240]

Here i was thinking it was cause high rated players are tanking rating to make it easier to farm echoes through lower ratings, or that i wasn't playing lock/fire mage.

[@christiantaboada]

Hi Xar! Great content as always! I have one question. I like doing the mirror chess situation. What would you do if you were the other team (DK healer). How would they position themselves to avoid the way you outplayed them. What could have they done better?

[@BlackMetalhero16]

Go for the closest pillar and pull the warlock, the monk should get the cc at the mage, try to force any cds from the lock then change to mage again, if it doesnt work just reset.

[@Goodpatron]

"We play with viewers... That's what we do." Translation: We play with people who pay for carries ("coaching") and pretend it's with viewers for KZbin so that we don't get banned 🤔😂🤦 Edit: auto correct

[@azurearcade342]

How do you handle arena as a tank and is it even viable?

[@Kittsuera]

good good. but, i think they nerfed reaping flame so it wont get the bonus proc off player controlled units with the nerf to Versatile, etc.

[@buckspan13]

So if the dk and monk refuse to leave the LoS of the pillar, you guys just wait for them to get bored?

[@hahanicebroskie]

Yes dude. Im learning!

[@cubanhunter8264]

the number one reason u lose arena is bc u r1 and glads go to 1400-1800 bracket with your glad gear and along having a knowledge advantage u have a HUGE gear advantage ... that's why

[@rafaelbraga3d]

I'd love to have this cold blood to think like it, I just press my buttons and wish it work

[@Orillionn]

I'm sorry that's mainly only works if u op destroy lock which are broken in arena let's be honest if u partner a rogue or sp even the dk runs u down all day...

[@tommytucks1489]

How about what are the other team suppose to do? As good as this vid, it also highlights the state of the game, mage lock dominating the arena...

[@russellfox4541]

Super interesting and informative, thank you

[@Us3r_404]

Would love more of these videos

[@jeiut8118]

Keep in mind at the time of this video's release, you can no longer reaping pets for the R3 buff.