The One Disc To Compete With The Zone

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[@RobbieCDiscgolf]

:) I gotchu sir for that comparison! My Pig vs A2 video comes out on Thursday! Hahahahaha

[@NickCarroll]

"My hero!" Except, not kidding. 😁

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Amazing 😂

[@vvBoost]

Just found your channel today, and then you post today!! Have a great year, man. I'll be here for it ❤

[@ogdiscgolfer]

I love that you forgot about the Pig and enjoyed seeing you realize the future influx of comments... I really hope Robbie chimes in! Love your take on things!

[@bryanphilyaw9238]

Best reviews on YT. Love how you show the discs up close so we can see the discs completely and how they compare to each other. Also love the side by side flight comparisons! Exceptional. And I completely agree with your analysis on this one. Prodigy is doing their own thing and it's paying off. I bag both A2 and Zone, but no pig, no razor claw, or toro. Prodigy proving innovation and originality are worth the risk/investment. Thanks Apollo DG.

[@DeMon-bf1ur]

I saw you at that course! This is actually really great and well edited content. I'm beyond impressed with the quality and the information you supplied in the video, keep going strong brother.

[@micdavey]

I've been bagging the A2 since last spring and love it. It's more reliably overstable than zone/clones and it feels more comfortable to me. I did like the stability of the Razor Claw, but didn't like how deep it is. And all the Zone discs just turn into a shorter Teebirds when you power up and that's what stable putters like the Envy are for. I also like the A3, especially for touchy approaches. That disc really likes to just go in the basket.

[@frisbeefrolf]

I had almost the exact opposite reaction to the razor claw vs zone. The depth started out as a negative for me, but in the end I got a lot more comfortable with deeper putters in general (the alpaca is my favorite thrower) and thus ended up going back to the razor claw. After seeing eagle’s in the bag with him bagging a RC1 and RC3, I tried the same and LOVED the versatility of those two discs together. It’s funny how feel can be so different for the individual! Lots of folks look for disc recommendations without considering depth - just speed and stability.

[@dustininge3409]

I totally agree with you on this. I do bag both of these disc. No overlap between the two. They’re both great

[@TheHawg5254]

I'm old and have low arm speed. My favorite over stable Mid/Approach discs are Disc Mania's Maestro and Innova Lion. My arm's too slow for the Zone and Pig. Thanks. Great Channel!

[@jontippett8134]

Love the content man. I recently got an axiom tempo in my gyro box. Ive been really enjoying it. Theres something about that mvp plastic. Reminds me of an esp zone. Id love to see you throw that around a bit. Happy new year man. 👊

[@Maxulong]

Thank you!! I bag all dga/discraft except for the a2/a3. The prodigy "a" series is so good. I haven't thrown a zone in years.

[@DnBGolf]

I love that thin rim on the A2. It feels like a fairway in depth

[@JM-tb8zx]

Gator was PDGA approved in 2000, 8 years before the Zone, and does everything as well as or better than other “approach discs.” The true OG overstable approach disc.

[@BigJuice77]

I mean, there’s a reason the Zone is owned or has been owned by nearly all disc golfers. I’ve never even held a gator

[@NickCarroll]

I really think Innova missed out on rebranding some of their small-diameter midranges as approach discs, like the Skeeter, Panther, Spider, Cro, Gator/Gator3, Caiman and Croc. But people tend to gravitate towards the full-size mids and these get overlooked. At least that's the way it looks to me.

[@JM-tb8zx]

That reason is McBeth. Things were way different 5 years ago.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

I don't know... I feel like a lot of the pros had the Gator in the bag because that was just the best thing that Innova had in their lineup for that slot... and since a bunch of other stuff has come out, the Gator has kind of fallen back and faded out of relevancy with all the other approach discs coming out. Even Innova gave in and made a true Zone competitor in the Toro. I think the only reason the Gator was somewhat popular was because Paul used it, and he used it because that was the only good option for a slot like that in their lineup. Then when going to Discraft he said the Zone filled a slot he never had with Innova and something he always wanted in the bag.

[@krube4199]

The A3 is amazing too. Feels better in the hand than the Zone or A2 to me.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah the A3 has a very unique feel! I'm not a fan of it but I know people who love it!

[@jschalburg23]

Recently picked up at A5 in 300 spectrum plastic, It flies like a slightly beat in zone out of the box and has great hand feel. I normally throw a TI Zone, might pick up a A2 just for fun. Nice Video.

[@SimonAndersen95]

I have only thrown an A2 a few times before passing it on to a friend. A disc that I regularly bag which is very similar but more workable imo is the Järn from Kastaplast. Especially in soft K-1 plastic it has a nice straight flight before a reliable fade. I know people call it an "approach" disc however I use it more in the os mid slot. It's like a faster zone with a more straight flight before the fade. K1 plastic ones are usually more beef than K-1 soft out of the box. K3 (baseline) is even more beefy when fresh. I have only tried Z zones so that may be why. While bagging a Järn I also bag a harp. A more os puttery like disc. Imo zone is somewhere in between those two :) Have a nice day :)

[@justinmcness]

A2 is 🔥. Replaced my zone a few years back. Just feels better in my hand, and has more stability.

[@reptilez]

Threw my new KT Grace Grand yesterday. I'm now convinced it's the archer, not the arrow. Great disc. 😉

[@Dafunkyjunky870]

The a1 is awesome too! I’m still working out which one is my favorite approach disc and I have just about all of them haha

[@WhoThaCazer]

i still argue that Pig aint a 4 speed it flies more like putter so it will be in my heart for ever 3 speed.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

The Pig is more a putter than any of the others like the Zone or the A2, but for some crazy reason, Innova thought putting it as a mid range would help their marketing or something 😂

[@austing7820]

That ledgstone run that you threw in the beginning is probably my favorite run of zone that I’ve thrown so far

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

It is a great run of Zone!

[@austing7820]

@@ApolloDiscGolf I feel like most of the other runs I have thrown aren’t as over stable as those ones most zones for me on a forehand have a slight flip up to them

[@MaxLBogue]

I like to bag a zone (I actually have my circuit challenge Tempo in my bag atm which is nearly identical) but I don’t feel like it’s overstable enough to cover all the overstable approach shots I want to throw. I’ve been using a Jarn for when I need just a little extra bite, which is actually pretty often because if I need to disc to go left the zone doesn’t tend to do that consistently enough for me. I’m a big fan of the concept of “zone but faster” and the Pyro actually fills that slot quite well for me.

[@brosa1212]

Iv tried every os approach and I absolutely love the A2

[@jessew7978]

I was a zone thrower for a long time. Now that slot has been A2 and A5 combo for the past few months.

[@discjunkiesDGT]

the end chatter was hilarious!!! It's a mid-range anyways!! lol

[@kevinparker5384]

@appollodiscgolf i would like to hear your opinion on the kastaplast jarn vs the zone

[@peterthallen8270]

Prodigy A2 and Westside discs Anvil is very similar...both two very good disc in that slot.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah the Anvil is the only other disc I can think of that is similar to the A2! It just didn't pick up the traction that the A2 did for some reason!

[@pwdempsey02]

I bag a razor claw 3 for the same reasons you talk about the A2 except it is deeper than the zone as opposed to shallower. Like the A2 it immediately starts dumping on a full power backhand.

[@inimitableminimalist]

after I lost my zone, I started using a Legacy Ghost. it is based on an old Roc mold. goes a little bit farther than the zone with the same reliable flight. Does really well in heavy winds. Didn't know the Roc was uncool now. not sure what that makes the Ghost!

[@billherrera6386]

Tempo is almost identical to my ESP Zone and replaced it. Playing a Prodigy Ace Tournament, so hopefully I will be able to try the A2

[@normmm4970]

Idk anyone else, but my Overstable Approach disc is Discmanias Sockibomb Raptor Eye. There’s been a lot of rotations in my bag since I’ve started playing 6 months ago, maybe 2 or 3 disc have stayed and one of them is my raptor eye

[@bakerby]

It’s interesting as you gave love to the Culprit from Dynamic Discs in this slot last year. I’ve thrown Culprits, Harps, and Pigs but this slot for me belongs to the Järn.

[@anitabonghit266]

I go with the thought space temple for that over stable approach. I say it’s in between a zone and a A2. For me it has more dump than a zone but not as much as a A2 plus in the nerve plastic it doesn’t skip like a A2

[@neverlayup]

I like the a2 but at times it has just a little too much glide so I switch then to an a1 or berg.

[@DeciXmus]

Everyone says you have to have a ZONE, get a ZONE. So, I did and now I have settled that the JÄRN from Kastaplast is just better..... at least for me.

[@AndrewWoodDiscGolf]

You killed that intro bro! 🔥

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Thanks! The A2 at the beginning was suppose to be blurred out at the end of the intro... not sure why it wasn't after I rendered it! 😂

[@calebdyer6332]

I bag the culprit which is like a cross between a zone and an a2. it is slightly sharper that a zone but not a2 sharp. also has slight dome like the a2

[@timweber7165]

I was thinking of the rock that they moved from hole 9 at Rosedale when the changed hole 10

[@Iliyena87]

Heard the A3 can make some whistling noise so went with it instead, a beaded shallow disc, it likes my forehand and feels dependable. So now I got a Pig, Loki and A3 that will be fighting for almost the same slot. Putting my Pig at 3.5 speed. ^_^

[@docdabble9671]

Personally a huge fan of both of these molds and agree with the difference descriptions. A2 is severely underrated

[@IPS0125]

The A2's worst feature is that it's made by Prodigy.

[@michaelsotelo5051]

i believe the game has evolved and transitioned from throwing mids a certain distance to throwing faster putters the same distance. mids are now faster and replace certain fairways. but even that can be based on how your game is and what you’re comfortable with.

[@aramdg]

This video basically explains why I bag both and have been for a while now

[@IPS0125]

I've been liking my Ruin for that Zone slot since I'm so used to throwing Roc's with a bead. It seems to be doing well.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

I have heard good things about the Ruin! I just haven't thrown one yet though!

[@IPS0125]

@@ApolloDiscGolf PM your address and I'll send one your way! #GetRuined

[@nyqpi33]

Great trolling of Robbie! I loved it! Also, Would an A3 be more like a zone? I am not super familiar with prodigy but i know for the most part the higher the number the less stable. I did notice the rim looks alot like a gator or gator 3 though. Any thoughts on how the flight of the a3 compares?

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

I haven't thrown the A3 much, but I know some people that use those instead of a zone, so I think they would be close in stability, the A3 just has a very unique shape to it!

[@nyqpi33]

@@ApolloDiscGolf yah i was curious about distance if it was a shorter gator3 since it is less stable or just a less stanle gator since they are both "speed 4".

[@jonathanvajko7396]

I bag both the A2 and the Zone for the exact reasoning you laid out here

[@vilske5198]

The A2 is great, I would almost call it a mini-driver. Also the take in the end is true, although I'd argue that the Grace has taken over the Wraith.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah the Grace is VERY good! I think Kristin Tattar has a lot to do with the Grace overtaking the Wraith. Innova has never really had a huge pro champion the Wraith like Kristin has the Grace, since Innova has the Destroyer.

[@buhrj66]

A2 and harp for me. A2 is for my over stable approach’s and the harp for a straighter shot

[@arhshields]

More companies should do their own thing. Post Covid-boom, companies are going to need to differentiate with things that matter more than stamps. I love my Athenas, but I can buy a Teebird from anywhere from any company so I'll pick one in whichever plastic feels the best. If I want a Berg, there's only one company that I can go to.

[@eoghana315]

A2 is a goat for FH but I felt like it was too shallow for BH, which is odd because I have short fingers.

[@hiddenleaf414]

Been wanting to try an A2 since seeing Nate Turner kill his approach shots with it. Also genuine question, how does your Prodigy M4s feel? Went to a wedding in MN from WI. Stopped at 6 local disc stores, every single M4 I felt had the worst flashing I’ve seen not only on a disc but just on plastic in general. They were all in the exact same spot and it wasn’t even like a little flashing left over, it genuinely felt like it was almost apart of the mold because it was so thick and protruding, much more than average flashing I see on discs.

[@guitardude1007]

i'm betting they had old versions of m4's or all of prodigy's molds. i've noticed stores don't really stock much prodigy or sell much. but tbh i'm a big prodigy fan and all the new stuff feels great. i would try to get a new run of m4 or whatever mold you want and bet you won't have flashing. prodigy's website gives free shipping at $60 which is only like 3-4 discs anyway.

[@hiddenleaf414]

@@guitardude1007 What plastic was used for the Feedback? Because that felt disc felt niiiiice, like a gummy champion plastic. But yea you’re right on that for at least the 5 local shops near Milwaukee. All the owners stopped buying Prodigy discs right before the Gannon lawsuit, mainly because they said they didn’t sell well. I don’t mind the naming scheme, I like Discmania a lot and have no problem with theirs. I just think I’ve only felt the old plastics.

[@guitardude1007]

@@hiddenleaf414 that was the 400 plastic! yeah i think it feels better than champion. Feedback also comes in 500 now, which is the plastic i typically prefer since it's more stiff (like stiff star plastic). But yeah since the Feedback is one of the newest molds, you probably felt the improved plastic process.

[@hiddenleaf414]

@@guitardude1007 Their 400 plastic is moneyyyy. Reminds me of the new Innova Champion plastic blend on their new stamped discs. It’s a perfect mix of gummy but still firm. I think right now Prodigy reallllllly needs to hammer down their marketing, and this comes from someone who is a marketer for his job. They need to come clean about the changes they have made from what gave them a bad rep to what they are doing now. That’s why I love MVP Lab Reports. The brothers tell us all that is going on and the processes they are working on to get better quality. All I know about Prodigy is that they moved production to China, which isn’t the best of looks, putting lower production prices over quality.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

The collab series discs are all made in China I believe... along with a lot of their newer molds like the F9. And the ones in China all feel super nice with little to no flashing at all! Very nice manufacturing! Their older molds are still manufactured in the US and that's what had the flashing issues, but they have gotten a ton better with the flashing with the US made ones!

[@NickCarroll]

The A2 went the direction of being more aerodynamic than the Zone, whereas the Pig is significantly less aerodynamic than the Zone. The allure of the Pig (and the reason it was 3 speed for so long) is that it doesn't fly as fast or far as other approach discs, and it's naturally very torque resistant because of the thick rim. Slower, less glidey. Whereas the A2 is faster and more glidey. The Pig is more like a Berg+Zone whereas the A2 is more like a Buzzz SS+Zone.

[@zackdonD]

Back to back super bowls!

[@krpi7685]

I'd say the A3 is the better pick for most people. Still dependably OS but more workable. Great in the hand for both BH and FH, certainly prefer the feel over Zone.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah the A3 definitely has a very unique feel in the hand! I think people either love or hate the feel, I am not a huge fan of the A3 feel

[@aka_yogi]

The Anvil is also like an A2

[@samharwood340]

My pig got too straight too quickly so zone is coming back

[@jasonedens3778]

I bag a razor claw 3 for the less glidey more overstable shots. my zone is stable but not as stable as the razor claw 3 and the zone flies further.

[@nolancampbell2527]

I bag 2 distortions (zone’s) and 2 A2’s. All four fly different.

[@christopherfoerch8216]

I really wish Westside would bring back the Anvil with every company going for an overstable approach to rival the Zone. I love my Anvil and I trust it so much. Haven't found a comparable disc that I like, especially for my forehand approaches.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

The A2 and Anvil are very similar! I would say that the A2 might be a touch faster? But it's been a while since I have thrown an Anvil!

[@christopherfoerch8216]

@@ApolloDiscGolf same speed by the numbers just less glide. The numbers on the disc are 4/2/0/4

[@MonkeysFightingRobots]

Are you alive? Do we need to send out a search party? I miss your great content!

[@onemileperhour]

It's weird how infrequently the Harp is mentioned

[@bigdiscenergy]

I've been pushing it. I hit my first birdie of the year with mine yesterday. I even recorded it lol! kzbin.infoWkJb5q3osw4?feature=share

[@joshbaker1639]

I bag Harps, they are a fantastic approach disc.

[@JustSlingIt]

I agree, the harp has taken over that spot in my bag

[@tikimurtaugh4919]

Because it's not that good

[@TheDrakmannen]

I started with harps, moved on to zones. Imo the harp has a deeper feel, a slower flight, and is less torque resistant than the zone. Not by much in any of the categories, but enough to make a difference. I havent thrown the A2 alot, but in the context of this video I feel the harp is to the zone what the zone is to the A2 if that makes sense.

[@austinhuhs]

I bag the Zone and Anvil. Enough differences to both have value.

[@akkadian1995]

The A2 is the only Prodigy disc I bag. I never liked the Zone or Tactic. A2 is more stable in general and a much better forehand feel.

[@FrJacobRogers]

The A5 is a lot more forgiving and looks just like a zone. The A2 looks like a Kasta Jarn to me.

[@eastbaysteez21]

I switched to toros. Never looked back at a zone.

[@eastbaysteez21]

Pa-3 reminds me of a dagger if im being honest

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

It's much shallower than a Dagger, and has much less glide

[@payrez540]

Sounds and kinda looks like the md 5

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

it's much more overstable than an MD5 imo!

[@OkieTradez]

you must not have tried the Champion Jay

[@FlyingFajitaDiscGolf]

Hard to beat the Zone. Also hard to beat the Chiefs! Let's go KC 🎉

[@bryansans2564]

Poor A1 LOL

[@nickyoceansyde]

I feel like all the people leaving and hating on prodigy this is David throwing them a small bone out of sympathy

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

I actually filmed this before all the announcements of leaving prodigy... I just had a crazy past week and a half and just now getting it out 😂

[@oggeh357]

Anvil > A2

[@footfaultdiscgolf]

foot fault

[@sportsmonster66]

C H I E F S A L L D A Y

[@DnBGolf]

A2 > Zone, lol

[@DnBGolf]

Oh shit, there it is!

[@DnBGolf]

I rip the A2 Forehand like 200ft, and it never finishes left

[@ZacAndoe]

A3 is better

[@MegaLaban12345]

Having to throw prodigy cancels out any good thing about a disc.

[@krube4199]

Why you hating?

[@MegaLaban12345]

@@krube4199 s’prodigy

[@JB77776]

🤣 prodigy is a sinking ship. MVP is much more unique than prodigy. You don't have to like MVP but to try and pass prodigy off as the only company with their own molds is just ignorant.