The Only Way To Brace A Gate

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SWI Fence

2 ай бұрын

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This is incredibly simple, but TONS of people get this wrong. Mess this one thing up and your gate brace is almost completely non-functional.

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@LTVoyager
@LTVoyager 2 ай бұрын
Retired structural engineer here. There is nothing magical about 45 degrees and the physics doesn’t change with a bigger angle.
@PhongNguyen-iz3sj
@PhongNguyen-iz3sj 2 ай бұрын
Agree! The material used and how much load it can carry determine the optimal angle .. 45 is arbitrary with out context.
@Caitanyadasa108
@Caitanyadasa108 2 ай бұрын
Yup, I've built plenty of long gates and they hold up just fine.
@trehobbs6568
@trehobbs6568 2 ай бұрын
Vertical strength of brace is superior in an angle below 45 degrees. No stress on the fasteners. Because the fasteners are not needed. But over 45 degrees, the arm is distended, the brace wants to rock down, it's up to the fasteners to prevent a single degree of sag. At this point shear strength of wood and fasteners come into play. Stuff starts to move.
@nimnogaparus
@nimnogaparus 2 ай бұрын
​@@trehobbs6568As OP said, nothing magical about 45. 10 is better than 25 is better than 45 is better than 60 is better than 85.
@Scotland1766
@Scotland1766 2 ай бұрын
Finally a decent answer. 45 will depend on width of gate and if you can fit 45 into this length. They have no idea.
@Oberon4278
@Oberon4278 2 ай бұрын
Y'all crammed a ton of jokes AND good information into just a few minutes. Love the quick, no-fluff editing.
@landmarkcreations1183
@landmarkcreations1183 2 ай бұрын
This is the simplest yet most effective video on gates. Most people need a visual and this was perfect for that
@terry_willis
@terry_willis 2 ай бұрын
I would add this was an excellent video in general. No obnoxious background music, no (long) boring intro with fireworks, no silly flashing images in background, the humor was subtle and entertaining. I urge all video creators to strive for this. (P.S. I don't even have a gate.)
@blacksquirrel4008
@blacksquirrel4008 2 ай бұрын
Except it’s wrong.
@jonwelch564
@jonwelch564 2 ай бұрын
​@@blacksquirrel4008they got the long gate wrong 😂
@FarmerFpv
@FarmerFpv 2 ай бұрын
@@terry_willis You must be an older person, Nothing wrong with that. But, there is nothing wrong with adding a little, music, flare, and comedy to content in this day and age. I enjoy it as long as it's not a cut every 2 seconds, lol.
@FarmerFpv
@FarmerFpv 2 ай бұрын
@@jonwelch564 Explain how it is wrong? Back up your claim?
@Ki-Lessons
@Ki-Lessons 2 ай бұрын
Best ad for a 2 screws and a wire I've ever seen. Joking aside, I really appreciated how well this was presented. All ads should genuinely teach something like this one did. I'm not sure why there is concern about going greater than 45 degrees, sure it is not 'as strong' but it is more than strong enough, and still the right direction. Another trick to point out, you can build the frame for a gate, wrap a single wire all the way around it and tighten just that, and then throw your diagonal compression bar in. FAST, SIMPLE, CHEAP and will last forever.
@tireballastserviceofflorid7771
@tireballastserviceofflorid7771 2 ай бұрын
To be clear. This only applies to wood gates. Steel gates work vastly better under tension. As well as aluminum. I have built 60 or 70 as wide as 26 foot free span.
@hrmIwonder
@hrmIwonder 2 ай бұрын
Interesting. Why is that?
@tireballastserviceofflorid7771
@tireballastserviceofflorid7771 2 ай бұрын
@hrmIwonder Think about a bicycle spoke. The wood method works because wood sucks at holding a fastener under tension for long term. Steel on the other hand does not care. When a fat kid swings on a steel gate. If it's compression bracing the brace needs to be strong enough to hold a compressed load of a fat kid a 20 feet. It takes a 2.5 to 3 inch sch40 pipe minimum. If under tention. A 1 inch pipe or even 1/4x1 flat stock is way more than strong enough to hold thay fat kid at 20 feet. I have built a LOT of steel and aluminum gates.
@hrmIwonder
@hrmIwonder 2 ай бұрын
@tireballastserviceofflorid7771 thanks! That makes sense. You could suspend a 10lbs weight from a wire but it wouldn't support the weight under compression. I hadn't looked at it that way. Thanks again!
@tireballastserviceofflorid7771
@tireballastserviceofflorid7771 2 ай бұрын
@@hrmIwonder Exactly.
@exodeus7959
@exodeus7959 2 ай бұрын
And that’s why almost all of our modern bridges are suspension bridges (under tension) vs compression arch bridges. Loved the fat kid example. Works pretty good in my imagination center of the brain.
@rofllcats
@rofllcats Ай бұрын
I’m currently working on a timber framed bridge design project for my school. It’s more of a conceptual drafting project than anything else because we’re not focused on the physics side of things just the hand drafting aspect, but this explains so much about historic wooden bridge designs it’s hilarious to think I had this element explained so well in a recommended video about fence integrity.
@ABCDFish
@ABCDFish Ай бұрын
So glad I saw this before replacing my gate (that I braced wrong) this spring. Thanks.
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn 2 ай бұрын
There must be a lot of people out there bracing gates. Over a million views in 6 days? Thanks, guys, we'll be seeing straight and well-braced gates everywhere now :) You've got to love engineering, you picked up a new subscriber. :)
@KM-bv3fp
@KM-bv3fp Ай бұрын
I'm not bracing gates, but I find engeneering interesting as a hobby
@offroadr
@offroadr 2 ай бұрын
There is no magic about 45deg. Sure It is a good rule of thumb; the shallower the angle the more weight is on compression and the more it pushes the end out proportionally to the amount it supports then end in the upward angle, but 46 deg is not all of a sudden going to break or last half as long. Same applies to tension cables. If you had a gate 3x the height a tension cable and its mounting will need to be much stronger than for a square. But a 5' wide gate that is 4' high would not really be a problem, either for compression or tension. Other than the critical 45deg, I think the video was excellent and good for someone trying to keep in their dogs.
@ruralan
@ruralan 2 ай бұрын
I had no intention of watching this video, but the thumbnail was interesting to me. I watched the whole way through too. Sooooo KEEP IT UP!
@doctorstrangepants6706
@doctorstrangepants6706 Ай бұрын
I don't have a gate. Great video. Good personal dynamics, well structured video, no useless info, explanations of why the physics matter, and solutions for different scenarios. 10/10
@masonmansitomargiela1399
@masonmansitomargiela1399 2 ай бұрын
Dammm you guys packed a whole bunch of info in a few minutes, love the back and forth conversation. Had to subscribed
@johnmatlack7177
@johnmatlack7177 2 ай бұрын
It’s nice to see you explain the right way to build fences!! Not the usual on KZbin!! I WORKED for NW fence in Spokane Valley /Idaho fence in Post Falls. Not an easy job NWF was 6days a week 10 hours a day 30 years ago work for the railroad these days…run my train past 5 fences I built that are still standing and makes me appreciate my engineer job more every time I pass them! Keep up the good work!
@SerifSansSerif
@SerifSansSerif 2 ай бұрын
Here because of the algorithm. I have no intention of needing to fix a gate or anything to do with fences or gates, but these guys are awesome, and I love the video. The algorithm works in mysterious ways.
@GrandPoivron
@GrandPoivron 2 ай бұрын
Quality content is quality content.
@JodyGates
@JodyGates 2 ай бұрын
I get this wrong pretty much every time. I build a gate. I can justify both ways… but “this is under tension”helps a lot. Great video, thanks guys!
@davidmorris2234
@davidmorris2234 Ай бұрын
I admit I didn't watch the whole video, but for my wooden gates, I installed two diagonal threaded rods with a turn buckle in the middle, and eye hooks at each end, so I can adjust the gate at any time it gets out of alignment at the latch. It works great and won't wear out. Rust protection is required, but since you rarely need to adjust it after it is set up correctly, I just painted the threaded rods and turn buckle to match the wooden gate. You can always touch up the paint if it gets scuffed off during any of your adjustments. For this application, the brace is installed in tension, like the position of the wood brace when he first tried it.
@maxenielsen
@maxenielsen 2 ай бұрын
@LTVoyager is right: nothing magical about 45 degrees. It’s just that the tension or compression gets more extreme as the diagonal element gets closer to horizontal. Another point: the top horizontal member is in tension either way. Its force is carried by fasteners either way. So while having the diagonal member in compression is better, the other forces need to be considered as well. Great video!
@Robin-Visser
@Robin-Visser 2 ай бұрын
It also depends on the direction of the wood used to build the gate. With horizontal installed ‘planks’, your pressure-solution works great. With vertical installed planks, the pressure solution will slowly push the vertical planks go wider and wider until the gate wont fit anymore
@stipcrane
@stipcrane 2 ай бұрын
Nothing magical about 45°. Moving the brace from 55° from vertical to 45° adds extra leverage bearing on the brace erasing any advantage. This calculation needs to be done with vectors, not intuition.
@petr0news
@petr0news 2 ай бұрын
@@stipcrane once you exceed 45° the gate starts to work as a leverage, multiplying load forces.
@SenselessUsername
@SenselessUsername 22 күн бұрын
It's a magical number in the way computer programmers use the term: It's unexplained, it's not necessary to understand how it's found, but if you change the value things go wrong. PI = 3.1415926 is an example. Here it's more "rule of thumb" than real magical number but OK.
@mark2talk2u
@mark2talk2u 2 ай бұрын
Very clear video. Only thing would be to switch your use of “less than” and “greater than” 45 degrees.
@sauliluolajan-mikkola620
@sauliluolajan-mikkola620 2 ай бұрын
Or just ditch the arbitrary 45 degrees because the principle doesn’t stop working at shallower angles.
@tjadventures
@tjadventures 2 ай бұрын
Wow, it's so nice to learn how to solve an issue i didn't know existed...pretty nice video and i love how you showed the issue that you were trying to solve and how to solve it!
@heyjustj
@heyjustj 7 күн бұрын
Such a great video showing the importance of understanding compression and tension. I wish the people who built the fence on my house had understood these basic fundamentals of structural engineering. Pretty sure they did my very large gate doors totally backwards haha… now to go fix them!
@carlsoholt5265
@carlsoholt5265 Ай бұрын
I didn't even know I didn't know this. Thanks!
@wynottgivemore9274
@wynottgivemore9274 2 ай бұрын
I've built gates now for over 25 years knowing the right place to put the brace, and the once all of the fasteners are in place it's solid. As long as the post or whatever the hinges are attached to is solid... I've also adapted the brace laying flat ,so the fence boards have 3 1/2 " of area to fasten to and it's a lot less chance of flexing. I also cut both ends of the brace into a point so it rides both side and top and bottom of gate. Not sure if this is followable but I thought I'd give it a shot. I also have never had any issues with sag when building six by six foot gates ,and just having the one brace corner to corner. Yet! But I'll keep that anti sag cable in mind thanks. Usually just have a wheel on the bottom 😏
@zdenekholy2634
@zdenekholy2634 8 күн бұрын
As some other people commented before ... this was a well presented video. Pleasure to watch. Thank you & subscribed
@SWiFence
@SWiFence 8 күн бұрын
Awesome, thank you!
@Andreschannel_SA
@Andreschannel_SA 2 ай бұрын
You tought me something today. Thank you. Great video.
@Roeboe89
@Roeboe89 2 ай бұрын
How the hell did I get here? Very interesting though
@isaacweigelt910
@isaacweigelt910 Ай бұрын
Yeah, same.
@carlosminotaur
@carlosminotaur Ай бұрын
🤣👍🏼
@DadaIorian
@DadaIorian Ай бұрын
Have you talked about repairing or working on a fence lately? Google is always listening. That's how I got here. Just did a fence build last weekend.
@buckeyebarndominiumdesigns
@buckeyebarndominiumdesigns Ай бұрын
That’s what I’m saying too 😂
@donsmith9081
@donsmith9081 2 ай бұрын
On iron gates its best to do the opposite of wood because metal will bend easier than stretch.
@johnwade1095
@johnwade1095 2 ай бұрын
I work in steel, and endorse this statement.
@QualityDoggo
@QualityDoggo 2 ай бұрын
Makes sense, similar to what the mentioned about rods/tensioning at the start
@martin-vv9lf
@martin-vv9lf 2 ай бұрын
thanks for posting this. I made an iron gate in tension a few years ago, and i thought it was a failure.
@robertmagnusjamieson1759
@robertmagnusjamieson1759 2 ай бұрын
build a steel gate the opposite to a wood one? thats nonsense, if you makf the steel gate out of steel with the same profile as the wood used, then the steel gate will react to forces applied to it, in exactlly the same manner as the wood one, the only difference being the steel gate will withstand load forces many times higher than the wood one, if you want to see where the loads are appied to a gate, just have a look at a shelf bracket, the direction of loads on a shelf bracket are exactly the same as those acting on a gate, theres a reason why shelf brackets are never fitted upside down…and they are normally made from steel,
@johnwade1095
@johnwade1095 2 ай бұрын
@robertmagnusjamieson1759 that would assume you used the same coss section of steel as wood, but typically a steel gate would be made of slimmer sections than a timber one due to steel being harder and denser than wood. Slim sections are more susceptible to buckling than thick sections of equal tensile strength, which is why we use them in tension not compression. You can pull a truck with a wire hawser, but you can't push it.
@folsterfarms
@folsterfarms 18 күн бұрын
Holy cow… this was the most useful 5 minutes I’ve spent in YEARS! Thanks guys!!!
@SWiFence
@SWiFence 18 күн бұрын
You're welcome!
@Tonisuperfly
@Tonisuperfly Ай бұрын
Most entertaining video on gates ever. I may even remember what you said when it's time to fix my gates.
@alberthartl8885
@alberthartl8885 2 ай бұрын
Built gates for 35 years. Ditch the cedar or redwood as those wood species are too soft to serve as structural support. For a personnel gate weld 1" square aluminum tubing into a rectangle with one cross brace. Weld on a piece of flat plate to secure a latch. Then attach your fence boards directly to the aluminum with short deck screws. There, the gate will never rot, twist or sag. For driveway gates use 1 1/2 or 2" tubing and a little trigonometry for additional bracing. In and around Pasadena CA you can find over 200 of these gates which I built.
@VariHapii
@VariHapii 2 ай бұрын
Do you happen to have any quick pictures of your driveway gates? Been thinking on framing up my own for a 20' split swing config but don't quite know best way to mount hinge, wheels, etc. Also do you use stainless deck screws through boards? Appreciate any advice! Thanks for sharing
@gbwildlifeuk8269
@gbwildlifeuk8269 2 ай бұрын
@alberthartl8885 i think youll find the video is about bracing a gate, not making one!
@DiscoFang
@DiscoFang 2 ай бұрын
For this comment to fit in with the video you should have said which way the cross brace goes. Clue: metal tubing is best in tension not compression.
@BarrackObamna
@BarrackObamna 2 ай бұрын
Aluminum tubing absolutely corrodes if you do not provide an anode and make it a circuit. Calcifies and pits up until it’s weaker than rusty steel.
@BarrackObamna
@BarrackObamna 2 ай бұрын
@@VariHapiiI hope he’s not using stainless screws with aluminum posts, I’d rather have zinc screws rot off than rot my posts. Aluminum when mixed with steel with be a mess without an anode.
@TonyTapay
@TonyTapay 2 ай бұрын
Your example with your arm is incorrect. If that gate on the left were just as long but taller, the brace would work fine. The reason the brace starts to fail at less than 45 degrees is that it approaches parallel to the horizontal members of the gate and starts to lose the advantage of a triangle. As the angel of the brace gets shallower, a given amount of compression of the brace translates into a larger vertical movement of the gate.
@kenwittlief255
@kenwittlief255 2 ай бұрын
nothing worse than shallow angels!
@TonyTapay
@TonyTapay 2 ай бұрын
got me!@@kenwittlief255
@saymyname3097
@saymyname3097 Ай бұрын
Tension and compression. In the final position as described the wood is under compression and the wire under tension. Thanks for sharing.
@racerxv6valvoline424
@racerxv6valvoline424 10 күн бұрын
I never knew this....Thank you so much for the explanation and as to why you would brace this way. I also sub'd. Great job.
@SWiFence
@SWiFence 9 күн бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@imd12c4advice
@imd12c4advice 2 ай бұрын
Mostly good info, but your two diagonal design for the long gate has that center post in tension so it relies on the fasteners to connect it to the frame or the braces, but you made it seem like it'd work also without relying on fasteners.
@kenwittlief255
@kenwittlief255 2 ай бұрын
yes and the brace in tension is also trying to break the fasteners holding the outside vertical board in place and the one holding the bottom horizontial board by the hinge the premise of this video is wrong
@crzydirtyjoedirt1911
@crzydirtyjoedirt1911 2 ай бұрын
If my gate is long enough that I put a support wheel on the other side to keep the post up, would you put the second brace facing the wheel?
@SimpleAmadeus
@SimpleAmadeus 2 ай бұрын
I like this question.
@tessjuel
@tessjuel Ай бұрын
Probably yes but it depends. A brace pointing downwards towards the wheel will direct more of the load to the wheel. Usually you want that since it means less on the rest of the structure. But then the question is, how much load can the wheel handle?
@SecondLifeDesigner
@SecondLifeDesigner 7 күн бұрын
My mom had gate that was about 15 years old and sagging. She had a handyman install one of those anti sag cables. It worked for about a year. So I bought about $20 of galvanized nuts,bolts and washers and replaced all the screws and nails one at at time. Each fence board had 3 bolts nuts and 6 washers. That gate was so strong you could stand on it. That was 20 years ago. It was still just as strong and sturdy 20 years later and never sagged again. It go another 20 years easily but my mom sold the house and the new owners tore down the whole fence to add a second garage. Nails and screws lost their grip and become lose as wood ages and some decay sets in around the holes nails and screws make. A bolt going all the way through the bracing and fence boards with washers on each side sandwitches everything together. Washers increase the surface area so much that even if the hole gets bigger from rot it will still hold the pieces together. If you ever have to replace the wood just reuse the nuts, bolts and washers.
@johnduffy6546
@johnduffy6546 22 күн бұрын
Gentlemen...That was a very impressive & well thought-out presentation! I have seen some crazy "Billy-Bob" fencing in my day & I always have to muse, "where the hell did you learn to build fence?" Physics, geometry, and a wee bit of, (figure it the hell out)...Nicely done!
@boysbig
@boysbig 2 ай бұрын
A tension brace of cable on threaded rod will cause the gate to twist or warp, unless it is dead center in the gate. Can’t be done with a face mounted brace kit.
@mikerainey3847
@mikerainey3847 2 ай бұрын
This is why you give your kids blocks as a toddler and not sit them behind a TV!
@x_Heffe_X
@x_Heffe_X 2 ай бұрын
Yet here you are watching a video learning like the rest of us…
@mikerainey3847
@mikerainey3847 2 ай бұрын
@x_Heffe_X I believe you missed my point, but it's never a bad thing to see someone elses ideas.
@x_Heffe_X
@x_Heffe_X 2 ай бұрын
@@mikerainey3847 I didn’t miss your point, I was just giving you a hard time haha.
@Frizzly007
@Frizzly007 Ай бұрын
I fixed my wood fence gate by putting a caster wheel at the end. Been working for over 22 years so far
@dyerstar
@dyerstar Ай бұрын
Poor kid, looking at the back of a tv. 😂
@ellobo761
@ellobo761 18 күн бұрын
Thank you so much for explaining how this works!
@SWiFence
@SWiFence 18 күн бұрын
You're welcome!
@chrislambert9435
@chrislambert9435 14 күн бұрын
We used to sing these words "the bottom of the brace goes the hinges side" Thankyou for your presentation .... Chris . . . Norwich, England
@SWiFence
@SWiFence 14 күн бұрын
Love it! 😆
@QdMaster
@QdMaster 2 ай бұрын
Holy cat crap, I've been doing this backwards my whole fuggin life!
@TheCuntt
@TheCuntt 10 күн бұрын
You've been making gates you're whole life but bracing the opposite way? I smell Bullshit
@reebud
@reebud 2 ай бұрын
how do people build Bill Gates?
@grjk3991
@grjk3991 2 ай бұрын
However they do it, please lock him in and keep rest of us safe!
@DadaIorian
@DadaIorian Ай бұрын
A little bit of vaccine and a lotta bit of Epstein?
@louiswilliamterminator2887
@louiswilliamterminator2887 Ай бұрын
Best ask Satan
@user-sx9pr7iz5c
@user-sx9pr7iz5c Ай бұрын
First you get a whole bunch of horse shit and pile it up 2 stories high and your on your way
@dinomontagnese
@dinomontagnese Ай бұрын
With heaps of cash
@echognomecal6742
@echognomecal6742 Ай бұрын
This has cleared up questions I had for years.
@benjosh6250
@benjosh6250 17 күн бұрын
I started incorporating tension braces in the joist system on decks using cables and turn buckles to help keep the bridging tight I like tension braces
@patrickcreighton5109
@patrickcreighton5109 17 күн бұрын
Thanks Boys i like you style. It is Sunday so IHOP after early service.
@barrybeattie6070
@barrybeattie6070 19 күн бұрын
I believe the placement of the lower end as shown exerts pressure on the hinge. If placed against the vertical it would redirect the pressure
@honeyg3589
@honeyg3589 Ай бұрын
OMG. This is brilliant. THANK YOU!!!!
@SWiFence
@SWiFence Ай бұрын
You are so welcome!
@87Rado
@87Rado 2 ай бұрын
I built fences and decks for years, and used a gate design that did not sag! I was always amazed at the individuals that didn't get this concept.
@alwil1563
@alwil1563 2 ай бұрын
Maybe they had a crappy instructor or supervisor that was too busy being amazed at their own brilliance to teach them.
@FarmerFpv
@FarmerFpv 2 ай бұрын
Maybe the gate was built over a hundred years ago as the ones on my ranch are from the 1810s and rebuilt in the 1890s. I think my ancestors were drinking lots of moonshine when building gates. We have trapezoid and windmill tensioners on our gates. They look weird and random but lasted the test of time.
@casperhansen826
@casperhansen826 Ай бұрын
I thought I couldn't possibly learn more from this, boy I was wrong, thank you
@TheStudderman
@TheStudderman 2 ай бұрын
Love this video, no bs long winded talking. Simply to the point.
@SWiFence
@SWiFence 2 ай бұрын
I appreciate that!
@dorengarcia7925
@dorengarcia7925 2 ай бұрын
@SWiFence I second that opinion. No music. No title waste of time Don't tell me why I'm here I know why. Straight to the point... particularly good because now I understand the difference between tension and compression... pretty interesting...
@A3Kr0n
@A3Kr0n 2 ай бұрын
Buckminster Fuller would be proud of you two.
@johnhardwick1736
@johnhardwick1736 Ай бұрын
Actually made my first gate on my garden fence a month or so ago. It works fine, but i think ill be switching my brace to face the other way now
@robertoleksa5817
@robertoleksa5817 Ай бұрын
If my wood gate is sagging do I have to take the hinges off first and then put a wood compression brace on or just place a piece a wood under it and then put the brace in
@FearlessFoundation
@FearlessFoundation Ай бұрын
Its a question as to which hinge is taking the most load, as well as which fasteners. With the first option on the small gate most of the load is on the lower hinge and on the top outer fasteners. With the second option the load is on the top hinge and on the lower outer hardware.
@heretoserve5023
@heretoserve5023 Ай бұрын
OH COME ON WHY DOES THAT SEEM SO COUNTERINTUITIVE I'M SO GLAD YOU SHOWED ME I'M SO GLAD I KNOW BETTER NOW THANK YOU
@jdstaley3710
@jdstaley3710 2 ай бұрын
Thanks guys! Great video.
@wesleyashley99
@wesleyashley99 2 ай бұрын
I made a angle iron wide gate once. It was bolted together with a tension brace. The top outside corner would always lean down. I switched it to a compression brace and it always stayed straight.
@marcosmota1094
@marcosmota1094 14 күн бұрын
Not too many 'Tubers can pull of humor naturally. Learned sumthin' too!
@amzarnacht6710
@amzarnacht6710 Ай бұрын
What about using both styles? A beam to take the compression and back it up with a wire taking on tension? By necessity the wire would have to pass through the compression brace (which is, itself, reinforced at that point) or to one side or the other of it (or both) which I imagine would impart wear where the two cross if they're in contact.
@fractode
@fractode 2 ай бұрын
YARRGGHH!!! I remember seeing this done ages (20+ years) ago, but since then have not found it again. YOU pop up with your video, and not only show HOW it can be done, but WHY. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
@EDAHSC
@EDAHSC Ай бұрын
Excellent fellas. I looked at the two gates I built years ago and guess what, 0 for 3. Neither is correct and one is too long anyways and needs a middle brace. However, they are working okay, so there is something to be said for using screws to put in the fence planks which keeps them square (enough). Alas, the perfectionist in me says this goes on my do to list.
@rickderwitsch
@rickderwitsch 2 ай бұрын
Thanks. Well done.
@josephshimandle9619
@josephshimandle9619 2 ай бұрын
Depends on what material you are using as the diagonal support. Many people use wire with a turnbuckle it would have to be in tension and would work just as well. Always more than The Only Way....
@phrazee
@phrazee 22 күн бұрын
What would you recommend for a 5m wide timber white picket sliding gate? Would you add a centre vertical support or would one or two diagonal supports be enough? Gate will be about 1.2m high
@patpatpat999
@patpatpat999 2 ай бұрын
bracing in tension mode is fine IMO if you use a cable or rod with turnbuckles.
@peterrogers7175
@peterrogers7175 2 ай бұрын
As a homeowner who hires a fence company, I just assumed there were standards to be met. I also assumed that the physics would be imbedded in those standards. So glad I watched this video! Fun and interesting.
@TaiJendamNation
@TaiJendamNation 17 күн бұрын
Thank you for this video
@evilsimeon
@evilsimeon Ай бұрын
I put the bottom of the diagonal on the hinged stile not the rail. That way the stile-rail joint has no added forces. Also, the brace doesn’t need to span the diagonal. On a gate taller than it is wide a 45 degree brace to the hinge leg is sufficient and allows a horizontal rail in the middle as an attachment point to help keep vertical facing flat.
@AlphaFox38
@AlphaFox38 2 ай бұрын
I randomly landed here. GREAT VIDEO!!
@andyedwards9011
@andyedwards9011 Ай бұрын
The fasteners on the corners of the box touching the compression brace have about as much stress as fasteners holding a tension brace would right?
@meatman3042
@meatman3042 25 күн бұрын
Great explanation!!! Thanks
@No-One-of-Consequence
@No-One-of-Consequence 2 ай бұрын
Damn. Nice work. Subscribed.
@billbernhard3582
@billbernhard3582 Ай бұрын
Excellent ! Thanks guys !
@joemccarthy641
@joemccarthy641 Ай бұрын
I use a cable and turnbuckles to bring the fences back to square. I should have waited a couple of minutes to see your cable solution. Good job.
@SWiFence
@SWiFence Ай бұрын
Nothing wrong with your cable & turnbuckle idea. 👍🏻
@ernestocvelasco5255
@ernestocvelasco5255 Ай бұрын
Really helpful tips,,,thanks guys you got yourself another subscriber,,,
@SWiFence
@SWiFence Ай бұрын
Thanks!
@sethwarner2540
@sethwarner2540 Ай бұрын
Finally, somebody understands gate physics!
@djjoeykmusic
@djjoeykmusic 2 ай бұрын
Great video Thank you 🙏🏾
@alanesterline2310
@alanesterline2310 2 ай бұрын
Although I live in Wonderful Wyoming I learned about SWI Fence from Stoney Ridge Farmer. I've watched many of your videos since then and you guys have to be one of the GREATEST fence companies there is. The old saying you get what you pay for is so true. I tried a local fence company and did not get a great product like you guys produce. Less than a year after the fence was installed I had issues and the contractor would not return my calls. Next time I need a fence built I will call SWI Fence first!
@who-ge1gu
@who-ge1gu 2 ай бұрын
I don't need this information but I'm glad I have it.
@logankieffer7696
@logankieffer7696 2 ай бұрын
This is the best marketing video ive ever seen I wish I had a saggy gate
@wittworks
@wittworks 2 ай бұрын
Great video title. Congrats on the million.
@SWiFence
@SWiFence 2 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@yugimuto9763
@yugimuto9763 Ай бұрын
Nice demonstration. However in a true fence the horizontal crossbeams will be secured by a vertical post at either side, so the diagonal support beam can actually go either way
@bradymcphail9690
@bradymcphail9690 2 ай бұрын
From someone who built chain link & ornamental gates and fences for 25 years and a welder fabricator for almost 50 years, I still learned a great deal from this video. I’m sure I made many mistakes over the years. If I would have seen this video when I was young in the business I’m sure I would’ve made a a lot less mistakes. Thank you 🙏
@shermanhofacker4428
@shermanhofacker4428 2 ай бұрын
I usually put the wood brace in compression but also add a steel tensioner! Yeah, i wear both belt and suspenders 😂
@cloud9847
@cloud9847 2 ай бұрын
lol a real Chad
@davidscott5903
@davidscott5903 2 ай бұрын
They don't make them like they used to.
@chipburns4123
@chipburns4123 2 ай бұрын
Home depot sells metal gate kits and they are pretty good!
@dennis32711
@dennis32711 2 ай бұрын
no sag gate kit at lowes, four pieces with hinges. works great.
@michaelross1464
@michaelross1464 Ай бұрын
aaaaand this just became a part of my physics curriculum. Thanks for the great content!
@SWiFence
@SWiFence Ай бұрын
Welcome!
@idahofishgamer3560
@idahofishgamer3560 Ай бұрын
I'm subbing because ur not cocky but smart ty
@PeterHernandez-lg2eh
@PeterHernandez-lg2eh 2 ай бұрын
This is exactly what I was looking for
@ChubbyUnicorn
@ChubbyUnicorn Ай бұрын
Super cool! Thank you
@lazaraza
@lazaraza 2 ай бұрын
I dont even have a gate, and still enjoyed this clip
@titus450
@titus450 2 ай бұрын
What is the rule for post depth? For example; if your gate is (X) long and (X) height, your post should be (X) height and installed (X) depth? Also, if you're using wood for the post, what is the best wood and how should the post be installed into the ground, for example, in concrete or another type of material? Should there be the use of a barrier sheet as well? Thank you in advance.
@ocdtechtalk
@ocdtechtalk 2 ай бұрын
1/3 in the ground. Depending on your soil may need more depth. Loaded question because so many things go into the answer. Soil type, weight of the gate, max swing of the gate, environment (rain, snow, heat). If you want a better answer that applies to you please provide more details.
@jimmurphy7296
@jimmurphy7296 2 ай бұрын
Nice work, guys
@jerryrobinson7856
@jerryrobinson7856 2 ай бұрын
‼️ SCREW HOLE PROBLEMS? If the wood is too soft for fasteners causing malformation or fastener or frame wambling, I will improve the hole or fastening by gluing in a hard wood dowel. I use walnut, birch or oak. Do note, some hardwood dowels are sold as half inch, but they are slightly larger and a 13mm is the right size drill. I use wood bit with an auger and side ear cutter. I happen to use Gorilla Wood glue in the hole and on the entire dowel as it sets up fast. I also smear the exposed edge of the dowel if it’s outside so it does not rot. I always drill a pilot hole in the dowel. I use a calipers and chose a bit ever slightly thicker than the center shaft of the screw. I have a 115 bit machine drill kit and thousands of an inch caliper and I use them often. These dowels are also perfect for door lock strike plate’s and hinge screw strip outs. I have been using this technique for years and never have a call back. Think about it, door frames are often pine. Some well intended homeowners and so called “professional’s” (morons) use tooth picks and pencil wood, an even flimsier wood. Use of hard wood dowels simply work and it’s a professional job with bragging rights. Great video BTW!
@TizzyTown
@TizzyTown 2 ай бұрын
You gained a sub off of a "gate dysfunction" joke. Well done.
@FenceForFlorida
@FenceForFlorida 5 күн бұрын
I’ve always done top of hinge to bottom of latch no matter what. I know like 2 people who do it the other way. I call it the engineer way (top of latch to bottom of hinge)
@tinobarbati4944
@tinobarbati4944 Ай бұрын
Now you tell me. Thanks!
@user-rk1bf4eh2p
@user-rk1bf4eh2p 3 күн бұрын
That's good to show that stuff because a lot of people don't ever experienced that kind of stuff😢 I grew up in a construction building doing everything
@alamaralaa
@alamaralaa Ай бұрын
On the longer gate, adding the vertical brace as shown doesn't do anything except transfer the stress to the fasteners holding the vertical brace. If you look at it at 3:10, any pressure on the end of the gate is just going to kick that brace to the left at the top, and to the right at the bottom, and it's going to fail. Putting the diagonal brace on the right side in the other direction, so the braces make a V would make more sense, because then they would both be in compression. Any pressure on the left end of the gate would transfer down the left brace, to the bottom of the right brace, and back up to the top right end of the gate. That said, it's entirely unnecessary to have multiple braces, EXCEPT if the weight of the gate would be likely to cause a single long diagonal brace to warp over time. Then it makes sense to have 2 shorter, stronger, braces, in a V.
@waltermattei5994
@waltermattei5994 14 күн бұрын
Ahhh, the good ol "turn" buckle . For adjustability
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