The Open Forum Episode 50

Episode 50 of 'The Open Forum' where Christians, Atheists are invited to join the discussion. Guests will be invited on a first come first serve basis. Please note we can only have a maximum of 10 panelists (including efdawah panelists) at any one time.
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
00:57 - EF Dawah Panel join: Chinwag
03:09 - Completing 50 episodes of the Open Forum
04:31 - Review of DawahWise's Qadiani streams
06:59 - Format of the Stream & Inviting Guests
08:24 - Newly Discovered Fragments of the Bible
34:45 - Tim (Revert) joins
36:49 - Does the Qur'an confirm the Bible/Torah?
50:36 - Non-Preservation of the Bible
52:38 - Previous scriptures' corruption as per Qur'an
1:01:58 - Corruption of the Bible
1:21:59 - Issues with the christian theology/narrative
1:28:15 - Analysis of the meaning of John 8:58
1:48:27 - Satan being this world's god as per bible
1:51:20 - Problems with the Christian Arguments
1:59:03 - Prima (Christian) joins
2:02:06 - Claims regarding the Divinity of Jesus
2:04:42 - Refutation of Prima's claims
3:41:07 - Robin (Arian Christian) joins
3:42:18 - Robin's claims about the Crucifixion
3:43:24 - Issues with Robin's Crucifixion claims
3:44:41 - More claims about the Crucifixion
3:47:30 - Problems with the Crucifixion narrative
4:11:00 - Review of the Stream
4:05:42 - Closing Remarks
4:09:12 - Message to the Viewers
4:10:36 - Wrapping Up
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[@1541965]

​ @EFDawah Salam Alaikum. Sorry to say You always use philosophical arguments and Bible more than using Quran and Sunnah to answer misconceptions about Islam. @36:49 Quran (3:3-4) The answer is in the verse itself. Allah is talking about the Torah and the Gospel Ineel in past tense the Books that has been revealed to Moses and Jesus during there times but not the Books in your hands today. Allah never spoke about the Torah and Injeel in the Holy Quran in the present and future which prove it is not what you call Old testament and New testament. Those verses are evidence that you corrupted the Torah and the Injeel Gospel. If Christian believe that The Quran confirm the Bible and the Tanakh why don't they accept Islam ? @45:15 I'm sorry to say that Brother Ijaz doesn't have enough knowledge about Islam to refute misconceptions and he need to improve his knowledge. Brother Ijaz was mistaken when he said that Allah Revealed the Torah and Injeel to Isa Jesus ? Quran 5:46 Then in the footsteps of the prophets, We sent Jesus, son of Mary, (confirming the Torah revealed before him.) And We gave him the Gospel containing guidance and light and confirming what was revealed in the Torah-a guide and a lesson to the God-fearing. @51:40 The claim the Quran said Allah words can't be changed? You can read this in the Quran 6:34 & 6:115 & 18:27 . You need to read the context. Allah was talking about the Holy Quran only that no one can change the words of Allah in the Holy Quran. Allah was not talking about the Injeel and Torah . @52:30 where does it say in the Holy Quran the previous scriptures been corrupted ? Read Quran (2:41) (2:75) (2:79) (2:147) (3:78) (3:3-4) (4:46) (4:46-47) (5:13) (5:44) (5:46) (5:47) (5:68) (10:49) (18:27) (29:46) .

[@ijazthetrini]

@1541965, wa ʿalaykumus-salām wa raḥmatullāhi wa barakātuhu, The art of daʿwah is not restricted to merely quoting words from the Qurʾān & Sunnah, but in knowing how to communicate its teachings to people who are often ignorant, hostile, & quarrelsome. How we communicate those teachings depends on the background & beliefs of each person we interact with on these streams. We abide by Qurʾān 16:125, “and only debate with them in the best manner,” by using this as a guiding principle in conceptualizing & conveying our arguments. @36:49 - we did mention Qurʾān 3:4 and explained the revelation of the previous scriptures were in the past, did you perhaps miss when I, Br. Ijaz, mentioned that? @45:15 - bārakAllāhu fīkum for your humble assessment of my knowledge. For further review, please see Qurʾān 3:48 (as mentioned in the stream) which informs us about what Allāh Himself taught ʿĪsa ʿalayhis-salām: “And Allah will teach him writing and wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel”. @51:40 - As a point of note, waḥy is the speech of Allāh & His speech cannot be changed by us (His creation). This means that not only the Qurʾān, but also the Tawrāt & Injīl are the speech of Allāh, if this is something new to your understanding then please join us during a Dawah Clinic episode where we can have a productive conversation on this topic inshaʾAllāh. Yours in Islām, Ust. Ijaz.

[@user-zj5kj4tc8e]

Well said brother Ijaz

[@TheWatchmanWebsite]

The Qur'an confirms the PRESERVATION and AUTHORITY of the Torah and Gospel. Muslims sadly have been deceived by Sheiks and dawagandists to believe in the CONSPIRACY THEORY of a book called the "Gospel of Jesus Christ" which either disappeared or got corrupted/changed or partly changed (by the Romans, Greek philosophers, Paul or the Church/Nicea) before the Qur'an came as a final revelation to "replace", "restore" or "correct" what had been corrupted! The following FOUR POINTS easily prove that the Qur'an ACTUALLY confirms the preservation and authority of the Torah and Injeel: 1. If the Qur'an intended to say that the Torah and Gospel are DISAPPEARED, then the Qur'an should instead have written "that the Torah and Gospel are NO LONGER WITH THEM"! BUT THE QUR'AN STATES THE OPPOSITE! Sura 7:156-157: "And I will write down (my mercy) for those who are righteous and give alms and who believe in our signs; who follow the apostle, the unlettered prophet, whom they find WRITTEN in the Torah and the Gospel THAT IS WITH THEM." (See QS 2:89 as well). 2:89. ".. there came to them a Book from Allah which they recognized, CONFIRMING the Scripture they had ˹IN THEIR HANDS˺, they rejected it. So may Allah’s condemnation be upon the disbelievers. 2:101. And when a great Messenger (Muhammad) has come to them from Allâh confirming that (Scripture) which is WITH THEM' Clearly the Jews and Christians HAD the Torah and Injeel WITH THEM in WRITTEN form as late as the 7th century century during the time of Muhammad! In fact, Waraqah Ibn Nawfal-Khadijah's cousin and the men who confirmed Muhammad as a prophet-kept in his possession an Arabic translation of the Gospel in his possession (Sahih al-Bukhari 3392a). 2. If the Qur'an claims the Torah and Gospel to be CORRUPTED, then it should have appointed Muslims or the Qur'an to be JUDGE OVER the Jews and Christians rather than having Jews and Christians judge by the "corrupted" Torah and Gospel! The Qur'an would have PRAISED the Jews and Christians who TURN AWAY from the corrupted Torah and Gospel as TRUE BELIEVERS! It would have commanded the Jews and Christians to ABANDON the Torah and Gospel and instead judge by the QUR'AN! BUT THE QUR'AN STATES THE OPPOSITE! 5:43. And HOW should they APPOINT YOU their JUDGE whilst they HAVE WITH THEM the Torah which contains the law (and judgment) of Allâh. Yet they turn their backs even after that (you judge between them). And such people ARE NOT TRUE BELIEVERS. The Qur'an recognizes the three communities made up of Jews, Christians and Muslims according the prescribed laws/revelations given to each community: 5:48. "... For each one of you did we PRESCRIBE A SPIRITUAL LAW AND A WELL-DEFINED WAY. And if Allâh had so willed He might have made you all ONE COMMUNITY, but He wishes to show your perfection that He has endowed you with. Therefore vie one with another in good deeds... " 5:47. And let the followers of the EVANGEL judge according to what Allâh has revealed therein. And indeed those who DO NOT JUDGE according to what Allâh has revealed it is these who are the real DISOBEDIENT". Is it not clear to you, Muslim, that Allah is repeatedly saying that the Jews and Christians must judge themselves by the Torah and Gospel and NOT the Qur’an? Clearly Allah is not calling for the Torah and Gospel to be replaced but to continue to be used as his word to judge Jews and Christians! 3. If the Qur'an claims the Torah and Gospel to be CORRUPTED, then the verse below should have read "Say, O People of the Book! You are not (founded) on anything UNTIL you STOP PERFORMING the Torah and the Gospel, because what was revealed to you from your Lord is now CORRUPTED"! BUT THE QUR'AN STATES THE OPPOSITE! Sura 5:71: "Say, O People of the Book! You are not (founded) on anything UNTIL you PERFORM the TORAH and the GOSPEL, and what was revealed to you from your Lord." Why would Allah instruct Jews and Christians to PERFORM something that was already corrupted in the 7th century? 4. If the previous scriptures disappeared or are PARTLY CORRUPTED, Allah should have stated that the previous scriptures NO LONGER REMAIN, or PARTLY REMAIN or are PARTLY CORRUPTED. THE QUR'AN STATES THE OPPOSITE! 3:3. He has revealed to you gradually this perfect Book (-the Qur’ân) which meets all your requirements, fulfilling that which PRECEDED it AND WHICH STILL REMAIN. He revealed the Torah and the Evangel" Obviously the The Torah and Gospel must STILL REMAIN otherwise they would have nothing to 'PERFORM' or 'JUDGE BY'! Repeatedly in these verses, Allah's issue is never with CORRUPTION of the previous scriptures but is about their PRESERVATION and AUTHORITY and some among the Jews and Christians who fail to JUDGE BY or PERFORM the Torah and Gospel or try to distort the MEANINGS of what is in their scriptures!

[@leonidasanaxandridas6163]

Prima Scriptura - Absolutely Shameless.

[@nargis751]

Dr Imran well said on holding the same standard when evaluating numerical contradictions

[@asadullahsaaid3794]

*Timestamps:* 00:00 - Intro 00:57 - EF Dawah Panel join: Chinwag 03:09 - Completing 50 episodes of the Open Forum 04:31 - Review of DawahWise's Qadiani streams 06:59 - Format of the Stream & Inviting Guests 08:24 - Newly Discovered Fragments of the Bible 34:45 - *Tim (Revert) joins* 36:49 - Does the Qur'an confirm the Bible/Torah? 50:36 - Non-Preservation of the Bible 52:38 - Previous scriptures' corruption as per Qur'an 1:01:58 - Corruption of the Bible 1:21:59 - Issues with the christian theology/narrative 1:28:15 - Analysis of the meaning of John 8:58 1:48:27 - Satan being this world's god as per bible 1:51:20 - Problems with the Christian Arguments 1:59:03 - *Prima (Christian) joins* 2:02:06 - Claims regarding the Divinity of Jesus 2:04:42 - Refutation of Prima's claims 3:41:07 - *Robin (Arian Christian) joins* 3:42:18 - Robin's claims about the Crucifixion 3:43:24 - Issues with Robin's Crucifixion claims 3:44:41 - More claims about the Crucifixion 3:47:30 - Problems with the Crucifixion narrative 4:11:00 - Review of the Stream 4:05:42 - Closing Remarks 4:09:12 - Message to the Viewers 4:10:36 - Wrapping Up

[@EFDawah]

jzk khair akhi ❤️❤️❤️

[@michaelevans4110]

Jazak Allahu Khayran BarakAllahu Feekum Alhamdulillahi rabbi al'alameen

[@1541965]

​@@EFDawah Salam Alaikum. Sorry to say You always use philosophical arguments and Bible more than using Quran and Sunnah to answer misconceptions about Islam. @36:49 Quran (3:3-4) The answer is in the verse itself. Allah is talking about the Torah and the Gospel Ineel in past tense the Books that has been revealed to Moses and Jesus during there times but not the Books in your hands today. Allah never spoke about the Torah and Injeel in the Holy Quran in the present and future which prove it is not what you call Old testament and New testament. Those verses are evidence that you corrupted the Torah and the Injeel Gospel. If Christian believe that The Quran confirm the Bible and the Tanakh why don't they accept Islam ? @45:15 I'm sorry to say that Brother Ijaz doesn't have enough knowledge about Islam to refute misconceptions and he need to improve his knowledge. Brother Ijaz was mistaken when he said that Allah Revealed the Torah and Injeel to Isa Jesus ? Quran 5:46 Then in the footsteps of the prophets, We sent Jesus, son of Mary, (confirming the Torah revealed before him.) And We gave him the Gospel containing guidance and light and confirming what was revealed in the Torah-a guide and a lesson to the God-fearing. @51:40 The claim the Quran said Allah words can't be changed? You can read this in the Quran 6:34 & 6:115 & 18:27 . You need to read the context. Allah was talking about the Holy Quran only that no one can change the words of Allah in the Holy Quran. Allah was not talking about the Injeel and Torah . @52:30 where does it say in the Holy Quran the previous scriptures been corrupted ? Read Quran (2:41) (2:75) (2:79) (2:147) (3:78) (3:3-4) (4:46) (4:46-47) (5:13) (5:44) (5:46) (5:47) (5:68) (10:49) (18:27) (29:46) .

[@Toronado2]

​ @1541965 Sorry to say, but Where does it say in the Quran that you can NOT use philosophical arguments?

[@1541965]

@@Toronado2 I didn't say you can't use philosophical arguments? Please read my comment again.

[@mansman2167]

Prima Scriptura is such an embarrassment.

[@shalmaahad6915]

Yes. He thought he was being clever but got tangled in his own web😂

[@mia-mx2xd]

Timestamps on video taken the open forum to the next level alhamdulila

[@aharaw007rawat3]

I enjoyed watching this stream ...well done brothers...Allah reward yourll

[@ALzzanam]

جزاكم الله خيرا

[@jimfromwakanda7991]

Great show as always MashaAllah

[@publicpm8809]

MashaALLAH, Keep spreading the truth brothers, May Almighty reward you all with all the best here and in the world after, Ameen

[@DammaDry1]

Pope Twadros (pope of alexanderia/orthodox) has a book published in 2021, and he said that the first verses of gospel of john were added later and were not among the original writing of the author of john. Just to support nazam’s talk in 1:13:00

[@allanwilliams2079]

I have not read this as yet. But... The goodly pope can only make sense when he tells us who added the verses.

[@DammaDry1]

@@allanwilliams2079 u wana knw who added the verses, yet u dnt knw who wrote the whole gospel of john!!!

[@michaelevans4110]

I think they were originally words of Philo.

[@TheTruthSeekerMe]

May Allah preserve you all and your family members ameen

[@homtanks7259]

JazakAllah'u khairan brothers

[@hemisphere903]

Tim, let it go bro, you know its bs, let it go, submit wholeheartedly.

[@oumarsakho9769]

Lâ Hawla wa lâ Quwwata illâ billâhi'l aliyul Aziim. Assalaamualaykum (peace be upon you). Alhamdulillâhi Rabbil âlamiin. Allâhumma Salli alâ Seyyidinâ Mawlâna Muhammadin Wa Sallim. Thank you for sharing this with us. May ALLÂH (AWJ) Protect and Reward You (Brothers & Sisters in Dâwah) ! May ALLÂH SWT Make it easy for all, and Protect, Bless, Help, Guide us and Grant all of us Jannah. Ameen Ameen Ameen Ameen Ameen Ameen

[@GutzOverFear]

The intro is by Ilyas Mao. For anyone who is curious.

[@arabianknight0000]

I don't like the intro. It sounds too churchy

[@GutzOverFear]

@@arabianknight0000 It was inspired by The Gladiator soundtrack. Not sure if that explains it or not but yeah 😅 Acapella tracks are usually picked by most channels for obvious reasons.

[@allanwilliams2079]

Dr Imran, are you saying that because we are all equal, as children of Adam, that we should all be served our food, at the same time, for it to be considered that we are given fair treatment??

[@RayOfHope8]

🌹🌹🌹🌹❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@leonidasanaxandridas6163]

If you look up the word Robin in the dictionary, next to it you’ll find “deluded” as the definition.

[@rogdarorfod]

Thanks for the stream, but I must mention that brother Imran pronounced ابن إسحاق as Ibn Ishaq, as though sh is one sound, but it should be 2 separate sounds: s and h, first s, then h. In short, it is not English digraph sh.

[@Addakhel]

Honestly, Timothy made a joke of himself. How unreasonable can some people be man!

[@TheTruthSeekerMe]

🎉50

[@fadwajansenmoufti5112]

MashAllah Chat. I pray that brother Tim gets guided to Islam. His quest is genuine it appears to me inshAllah Ameen

[@anishulislam148]

First time I have seen Dr imran laughing so hard . The time that Robin came in .

[@allanwilliams2079]

Dr Imran, someone's ethnicity is not what matters, but your lineage proves where you are connected. God does not worry about race.

[@robinboom1184]

On the next stream happy to discuss Gospel of Thomas

[@syedshaheerahmed7758]

Just Admit the bible is corrupt and you theology is not even in the corrupted bible

[@leonidasanaxandridas6163]

Na Mate! Let’s talk about confirmation bias 😂🤣

[@syedshaheerahmed7758]

@@leonidasanaxandridas6163 ?

[@esrefcelebi]

Surah 2:2 should it not be better translated as "... No doubt in it" rather than "no doubt about it"?

[@sycorez]

Went to sleep too early and missed it

[@JamesBond-fe6fz]

Sooo is Timothy really a revert? 🤔😊

[@HussainFahmy]

*_Prima is using a Qadiani method of insincerity_*

[@zoezoom110]

For prima scriptura,, even jesus never said that anyone who claimed to be prophet must be from so and so lineage,, so why is he arguing about lineage to prove the prophet to be a real one

[@huraibyel-huraiby7462]

Context is everything * 3:13:47 😅

[@allanwilliams2079]

What is context??

[@desmondmansingh5175]

BEARING AND WEANING IS 30MONTHS MEANS WEANING 24MONTHS PLUS 6MONTHS BEARING NOT 9MONTHS???

[@HussainFahmy]

*_Boom busted again._*

[@dm_1236]

Can you do a stream on subreddits like Academic Quran?

[@maxmorris4562]

Christian Claim 36:49 - Does the Qur'an confirm the Bible/Torah? 37:50

[@iandirish]

I prefer the Aramaic bible since it's the language of Jesus and the people that time that place

[@hemisphere903]

Whats the deal with Tim, didnt he take shahada some episodes back?

[@feikahundred]

1:02:30 the 1st arabic BIBLE (not Quran), a slip of tongue by brother Abbas, Quran was obviously in Arabic.

[@desmondmansingh5175]

MUSLIMS IN A REAL HOT SEAT!!🤣🤣🤣

[@kate-224]

From your point of view..xtian reading english translation and not from original hebrew...

[@huraibyel-huraiby7462]

What were the Children of Israel chosen for? Chosen for testing? Chosen to be made an example of? Chosen forever or for a time period?

[@allanwilliams2079]

Deuteronomy 10:15 Only the Lord had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day. They were chosen because they are the people through whom Jesus had to come They are chosen forever.

[@kate-224]

​​@@allanwilliams2079chosen forever as an example for their disobedience ... worshipping golden calf and for ending jesus life..

[@ridhuan2335]

chosen for example. as a good and also a bad example depending on how you look at it. yes, also chosen to be sent the messiah. children of Abraham pbuh is however have been chosen to be blessed. theres condition for them to stay in the covenant with God. physical and spiritual condition has been set by God. Abraham's descendants is not only Israel and Abraham is neither an israelite nor a christian. to be in the fold of Abraham, everyone including his slaves are commanded to be circumcised. thats the physical condition that is set by God for everyone from outside his bloodline to be included in the covenant. the spiritual condition is to worship none other than the God of Abraham. read the OT. The mission of Jesus pbuh is to bring back the lost israelites that fell outside of the fold because they forgot the spiritual condition.

[@michaelevans4110]

1hr 24 mins I'm suprised Abbas hasn't brought up the verse from the new testament where Jesus says, "Satan cannot cast out Satan", Hamza used it enough times. Maybe Hamza could have phoned in. Update, Abbas brought up the verse but didnt push hard enough on Satan being cursed in The Qur'an, instead he focused on "good deeds". I'd have liked the christian to have answered on Satan cursing himself. Was Jesus wrong, lying? Is it another case of misinterpretation? Anyway, Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala is the one who guides. May Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala bless the efforts of the brothers/sisters at Efdawah. BarakAllahu Feekum Alhamdulillahi rabbi al'alameen

[@1541965]

@1:05:50 @1:11:25 John 1:1 John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Joh 1:1 & Gen 1:1 both said in the beginning question which was in the beginning the word or created the Heaven and Earth ? ( we have CONTRADICTION ) Gen 1:3 God created the light by his WORD COMMAND LET BE and IT WAS like in the Quran. God said in Gen 1:1 in the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth by giving his WORD COMMAND LET BE and IT WAS exactly like he created the light in Gen 1:3 by giving his WORD COMMAND LET BE and IT WAS. So in Joh 1:1 in the beginning was the WORD COMMAND of God which means his COMMAND because the first thing he created by his WORD COMMAND was the Heaven and Earth . The meaning of the WORD according to the above verses is God's COMMAND LET BE AND IT WAS . In the beginning was the word question for you in the beginning of what was the word ? if you say in the beginning of the creation that means the word is creation that created in beginning of all creations . In the beginning was the word . if The word is equal to God and the word has beginning that means the word has an end because every beginning has an End and God is Eternal has no beginning and no End ? In the beginning doesn’t mean eternity because eternity in Greek means : Khronos-chronos G5550 eternal forever everlasting Rom 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: Ahee-o-nee-os G116 times eternal Tit 1:2 in hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised before times eternal; in the beginning was the word why the Word start with capital W ? Is there Capital in Greek ? John1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Christian disagree on this verse and have textual differences textual variant for this verse and translate Tonthios the word with small letter word not capital Word why ? VOICE John1:1 Before time itself was measured, the Voice was speaking. The Voice was and is God. WYC John1:1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was at God, and God was the word. [In the beginning was the word, that is, God's Son, and the word was at God, and God was the word.] NMB John1:1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. Bishops' Bible of 1568 John1:1 In the begynnyng was the worde, & the worde was with God: and that worde was God. Coverdale Bible of 1535 John1:1 In the begynnynge was the worde, and the worde was with God, and God was ye worde. Tyndale Bible of 1526 John1:1 In the beginnynge was the worde and the worde was with God: and the worde was God. In the early original manuscript of the Bible you read in the beginning was the word and the word was with God (God here in Greek and Aramaic means Hothios The God ) and the word was with god small letter (god here means in Greek Tonthios that means agod godly person) so the verses should be in the beginnin was the word and the word was with God and the word was god which means and the word was with godly person Tonthios the messenger of GOD Jesus.

[@nargis751]

3:03:19 just tell him 😂

[@HussainFahmy]

*_Tim buried down under._*

[@alifuddin65]

I thought he took the Shahadah a while ago. What happened?

[@uksultan3920]

In my opinion Prima was insincere, he was allowed to waffle for far too long and waste the stream's educational time.

[@sethsuleiman4419]

No. 1 : The torah is the guidance from (or word of) god, revealed to moses and the injeel is the guidance from (or word of) god, revealed to jesus; they are not the OT and NT (both authored by men) respectively. No. 2 : The quran confirmed the revelation of the torah (to moses) and injeel (to jesus); not that OT and that NT. No. 3 : The quran confirm the teaching of the oneness of god in the torah and injeel.

[@desmondmansingh5175]

MUSLIMS CLAIM OF TORAH AND INJEEL IS JUST AN ILLUSION,NO PROOF AT ALL,MUSLIMS SAY BIBLE IS CORRUPTED,WHEN WAS IT CORRUPTED!!

[@desmondmansingh5175]

All muslims can tell you about their religion is believe in one god even demons believe God is one!!

[@sethsuleiman4419]

@@desmondmansingh5175 (1). Everyone is born with the innate believe that there is one god. This is proven by some scholarly research. (2). Muslim believe so, because the quran clearly say so. And, logically and rationally, it is so. (3). As for demons (the evil unseen creations of god), it is none of our business; leave them alone by themselves.

[@shirexx1]

​@@desmondmansingh5175MOST of the Pagans believe 3uion Gods.. nothing special about the concept of GOD in xristianity

[@TheWatchmanWebsite]

Many beloved Muslims are not aware that they are committing FALSEHOOD called the 'False Dilemma Fallacy' when they claim that the Jewish Shema [“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one" (Deuteronomy 6:4)] which refers to YAHWEH the true God of Israel-is a reference to ALLAH of the Qur’an, since ALLAH is also one! All the prophets taught that God is ONE? Who, specifically, is this one God of Deut 6:4 since there are many gods who claim to be one (monotheistic)? Shouldn't the sincere Muslim test Allah's claim to be YAHWEH the true God of the Jews and Christians as claimed in QS 29:46? Is ONENESS the only attribute required to test Allah's claim? No! It is a False Dilemma Fallacy to hold on to this one attribute of ONENESS (monotheism)- instead of more-as the only evidence required to prove whether ALLAH is YAHWEH (the Almighty, Creator, Most High and the God of Abraham). You may have heard or used the false argument: "Allah means 'God' in Arabic, therefore Allah is the God of the Bible" However, the use of the same word/name does not mean that ALLAH is YAHWEH the true God of Israel! This also, is a Muslim fallacy called the 'word-concept fallacy'! But what is the False Dilemma Fallacy and how is it relevant to this claim made by Muslims? The FDF is when one tries to falsify or limit the argument by relying only on ONE attribute and ignoring MANY other attributes which would have helped give a more accurate result. Using fewer attributes can lead to false findings. The greater the number of attributes the greater the evidence of whether ALLAH is YAHWEH or not! Even in (scientific) research, the greater the number of samples, the greater the accuracy of the findings will be. Fewer sample sizes increase the risk of false findings. Do the following THREE ATTRIBUTES of YAHWEH match with the attributes of ALLAH of the Qur’an? 1. YAHWEH is referred to as 'FATHER' all through scripture by the prophets and we are his CHILDREN: (Deuteronomy 32:6, Psalms 89:26‭-‬27, Isaiah 63:16, Matthew 6:9) ALLAH of the Qur’an in no way shape or form is he FATHER to anyone (QS 6:100). Muslims are SLAVES of Allah (Abdullah). 2. YAHWEH ENTERED CREATION. In the Torah, God appeared to Abraham on earth as a man (Genesis 18:1-15) and dwelt among mankind in the tabernacle/temple of Moses (Exodus 40:34) and Solomon (2 Chronicles 7:1‭-‬3) yet ALLAH of the Qur’an DOES NOT ENTER CREATION (Sahih Muslim 179). Are they the same God? No. 3. YAHWEH is a God of BLOOD SACRIFICE (for the atonement of sins). This was practiced in the tabernacle of Moses and temple of Solomon on the yearly Day of Atonement: "For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul." (Leviticus 17:11). But ALLAH of the Qur’an is NOT a god of blood sacrifice and his pagan Kaaba is different to the temples of YAHWEH. One could go on and on about the obvious differences between YAHWEH the true God of the Jews and Christians and ALLAH of the Qur’an. The pagan Black stone, which was once white but became black because of the sins of the sons of Adam (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 877), provides atonement for the sins of Muslims during Hajj. So when we increase the number of ATTRIBUTES, it is obvious to any right-thinking person that ALLAH is a liar and deceiver for claiming to be the God of the Jews and Christians. It is YAHWEH who inspires the Torah and Gospel, despite ALLAH'S false claim to have done so! The Shema in Deuteronomy 6:4 "Oh Israel the Lord your God is One" is not referring to ALLAH the false 7th century god of the Kaaba but is referring to YAHWEH who ENTERS CREATION, is called FATHER and is a God of BLOOD SACRIFICE for the atonement of sins (all ATTRIBUTES which ALLAH of the Qur’an is NOT). The above attributes are found in the same Torah where Muslims qoute the ONENESS of God in the Bible from! These are attributes which make Judaism and Christianity Abrahamic religions. Islam is a false Abrahamic religion! Even if 'Allah' means 'God' in Arabic, ALLAH of the Kaaba is the one ☝️FALSE god disguised as YAHWEH the one TRUE God! Part of the Shahada: there's no god but Allah? Deceiver! Why then did Allah falsely claim to be ANOTHER God-YAHWEH the true God of the Jews and Christians? Blessings!

[@Alaa-Darawsheh]

Following blindly is the worst enemy - when a verse explains the soul’s essence and it’s interpreted as the creation of the prophet adam peace be upon him and eve peace be upon her that is a fundamental mistake , a grammatical mistake .

[@ahmadkhalil4381]

The injeel and Torah they have now isn't the same as the ones that were sent to the prophets

[@silver_springs22]

That's an islamic lie with no evidence of any change

[@frankszanto]

How can you say that?. The gospel and the torah were around when Muhammad lived. The Quran refers to them numerous times. Where does the Quran ever say it is talking about a different Torah or Gospel which th People of the Book did not have?

[@silver_springs22]

@@frankszanto they can say anything because they have blind belief. They can't present evidence of what they say because it's based on blind belief. Complete non sense and utter crap without any evidence

[@kate-224]

​@@frankszantofrank can you provide evidence that the torah and gospel you have today are the same during muhammeds time ?

[@frankszanto]

@@kate-224 Yes.

[@seanou2837]

Robin is just wasting your time guys..you should never let him on.

[@azmiamehboob583]

What's wrong with the brothers today? Prima scriptura was referencing the connection with Ismael AS. Why couldn't you quote the Prophet SAW's whole lineage! It goes back all the way to Hazrat Adam AS.

[@publicpm8809]

They did the right thing by letting everybody know that in islam its not important nor people believe in islam because of any race

[@nomanahmed9880]

So about prima i agree with the approach of Hamza which is to ask the christian is the bible reliable...i know that he is not as knowledgeable as some of the brothers here however imo his approach is better cause it is easier to prove that bible is unreliable then it is to prove that jesus was Muslim from bible cause that would mean that those who corrupted bible didn't do a good job.

[@allanwilliams2079]

It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than for one tittle of the law to fail. You have to first present someone who at the least can do the easier thing of causing heaven and earth to pass before you can look in the direction of the impossible. (The word of God is forever. ) How do you change forever??

[@myuzairy7324]

@@allanwilliams2079 _(The word of God is forever.)_ _How do you change forever??_ *points to 1 John 5: 7 and Acts 8: 37*

[@allanwilliams2079]

@@myuzairy7324 Make your point.

[@myuzairy7324]

@@allanwilliams2079 You claimed the word of God is forever. 1 John 5: 7 and Acts 8: 37 has been removed from the newer versions of the Bible. So your word of God has been changed. So your word of God is not forever.

[@allanwilliams2079]

@@myuzairy7324 Show yourself to be capable of thought instead of portraying yourself as being silly. (Don't just follow that which you hear others say.) A Bible without some verses is a Bible lacking some verses. Since the verses can be found elsewhere, they are neither corrupted nor lost. Can you show that which is the word of God?? The Bible contains the speech of many different beings. Here is an example: Mark 5:12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them. This verse above does not contain the words of God. However, they are a part of the Bible. ● A writer leaving out some of the information from a book does not corrupt the information that is already recorded, he/she has simply provided less of the information. A writer who add information to already recorded information does not corrupt the previously recorded information, he instead, forces you to be more diligent when you are perusing the information that he/she has presented. The Bible carries within itself the conventions which authenticate it. They cannot be changed, therefore, what is the Bible will always be the Bible.

[@liljaa046]

Trini - Pinch to Zooooomm

[@liljaa046]

Monopoly money!

[@liljaa046]

Looool Abbas. No one can know abt the watch

[@liljaa046]

That comment abt linage also shows that God is not all Loving like they claim...

[@liljaa046]

Trini done a magic trick! 🤣🤣 Epic

[@liljaa046]

Why do ppl throw out "fallacious" willy nilly - and when asked what fallacy the answer is always 🤷🏾‍♀

[@feikahundred]

The earlier books/messages were time & people bound. Human beings were gradually growing in knowledge, learning and discovering new things but were still asked to adhere to Allah's commands. One reason which also made perfect sense for Allah to allow people corrupt those books was the above mentioned fact. For example, the Jews were punished by Allah for their transgressions by imposing on them some harsh penalties/commands. If Torah was intact and not corrupted by people,. those sanctions would still be imposing on humans e.g. not doing any worldly thing on Sabath. Isa A.S. came, invited the jews to the original uncorrupted message but Christianity still has some very strict laws on divorce. Muhammad S.A.W. came and relaxed more things provided the people obey Allah and all His commands. Islam is the deen-e-fitrat, it says to observe Jumah as a special day but doesn't ask Muslims to not do anything else on Jumah except to worship Allah. It says if the husband and wife are not compatible and/or unhappy with each other, they can divorce and re-marry. etc etc

[@TheWatchmanWebsite]

The Qur'an confirms the PRESERVATION and AUTHORITY of the Torah and Gospel. Muslims sadly have been deceived by Sheiks and dawagandists to believe in the CONSPIRACY THEORY of a book called the "Gospel of Jesus Christ" which either disappeared or got corrupted/changed or partly changed (by the Romans, Greek philosophers, Paul or the Church/Nicea) before the Qur'an came as a final revelation to "replace", "restore" or "correct" what had been corrupted! The following FOUR POINTS easily prove that the Qur'an ACTUALLY confirms the preservation and authority of the Torah and Injeel: 1. If the Qur'an intended to say that the Torah and Gospel are DISAPPEARED, then the Qur'an should instead have written "that the Torah and Gospel are NO LONGER WITH THEM"! BUT THE QUR'AN STATES THE OPPOSITE! Sura 7:156-157: "And I will write down (my mercy) for those who are righteous and give alms and who believe in our signs; who follow the apostle, the unlettered prophet, whom they find WRITTEN in the Torah and the Gospel THAT IS WITH THEM." (See QS 2:89 as well). 2:89. ".. there came to them a Book from Allah which they recognized, CONFIRMING the Scripture they had ˹IN THEIR HANDS˺, they rejected it. So may Allah’s condemnation be upon the disbelievers. 2:101. And when a great Messenger (Muhammad) has come to them from Allâh confirming that (Scripture) which is WITH THEM' Clearly the Jews and Christians HAD the Torah and Injeel WITH THEM in WRITTEN form as late as the 7th century century during the time of Muhammad! In fact, Waraqah Ibn Nawfal-Khadijah's cousin and the men who confirmed Muhammad as a prophet-kept in his possession an Arabic translation of the Gospel in his possession (Sahih al-Bukhari 3392a). 2. If the Qur'an claims the Torah and Gospel to be CORRUPTED, then it should have appointed Muslims or the Qur'an to be JUDGE OVER the Jews and Christians rather than having Jews and Christians judge by the "corrupted" Torah and Gospel! The Qur'an would have PRAISED the Jews and Christians who TURN AWAY from the corrupted Torah and Gospel as TRUE BELIEVERS! It would have commanded the Jews and Christians to ABANDON the Torah and Gospel and instead judge by the QUR'AN! BUT THE QUR'AN STATES THE OPPOSITE! 5:43. And HOW should they APPOINT YOU their JUDGE whilst they HAVE WITH THEM the Torah which contains the law (and judgment) of Allâh. Yet they turn their backs even after that (you judge between them). And such people ARE NOT TRUE BELIEVERS. The Qur'an recognizes the three communities made up of Jews, Christians and Muslims according the prescribed laws/revelations given to each community: 5:48. "... For each one of you did we PRESCRIBE A SPIRITUAL LAW AND A WELL-DEFINED WAY. And if Allâh had so willed He might have made you all ONE COMMUNITY, but He wishes to show your perfection that He has endowed you with. Therefore vie one with another in good deeds... " 5:47. And let the followers of the EVANGEL judge according to what Allâh has revealed therein. And indeed those who DO NOT JUDGE according to what Allâh has revealed it is these who are the real DISOBEDIENT". Is it not clear to you, Muslim, that Allah is repeatedly saying that the Jews and Christians must judge themselves by the Torah and Gospel and NOT the Qur’an? Clearly Allah is not calling for the Torah and Gospel to be replaced but to continue to be used as his word to judge Jews and Christians! 3. If the Qur'an claims the Torah and Gospel to be CORRUPTED, then the verse below should have read "Say, O People of the Book! You are not (founded) on anything UNTIL you STOP PERFORMING the Torah and the Gospel, because what was revealed to you from your Lord is now CORRUPTED"! BUT THE QUR'AN STATES THE OPPOSITE! Sura 5:71: "Say, O People of the Book! You are not (founded) on anything UNTIL you PERFORM the TORAH and the GOSPEL, and what was revealed to you from your Lord." Why would Allah instruct Jews and Christians to PERFORM something that was already corrupted in the 7th century? 4. If the previous scriptures disappeared or are PARTLY CORRUPTED, Allah should have stated that the previous scriptures NO LONGER REMAIN, or PARTLY REMAIN or are PARTLY CORRUPTED. THE QUR'AN STATES THE OPPOSITE! 3:3. He has revealed to you gradually this perfect Book (-the Qur’ân) which meets all your requirements, fulfilling that which PRECEDED it AND WHICH STILL REMAIN. He revealed the Torah and the Evangel" Obviously the The Torah and Gospel must STILL REMAIN otherwise they would have nothing to 'PERFORM' or 'JUDGE BY'! Repeatedly in these verses, Allah's issue is never with CORRUPTION of the previous scriptures but is about their PRESERVATION and AUTHORITY and some among the Jews and Christians who fail to JUDGE BY or PERFORM the Torah and Gospel or try to distort the MEANINGS of what is in their scriptures!

[@allanwilliams2079]

Dr Imran, your analogy of the situation as being like a father with two sons is false. God made a covenant with Abram. He told him who, after him, he was going to establish this covenant with. Are you saying that because Abraham got himself more than one son that god is supposed to establish this covenant with all of Abraham's sons??

[@seanou2837]

Isaac never had a covenant..it is Ishmael.

[@allanwilliams2079]

@@seanou2837 In case you missed it: here is God, in the following verses, making the oath that he gave to Abraham, to Isaac also. Genesis 26:2-4 And the Lord appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of: [3] Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father; [4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; Can you, now, present the evidence which shows that God made a covenant with Ishmael??

[@alifuddin65]

I thought Tim became Muslim. What happened???

[@deenreloaded]

I am just confused, didnt Tim accept Islam earlier?

[@Jay702]

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

[@hanjasolo]

I think his still struggles to surrender completely. May Allah open up his heart, he seems sincere person but still attached to christianity.

[@neothe0ne]

He IS a revert. I think his line of questioning and argumentation was all based on how he could argue some points with his christian friends. He was basically here to learn how to refute christianity. Although i didn’t listen to his entire section so i could have missed some pertinent points.

[@hanjasolo]

@@neothe0ne We just observed from his expression so stressed and discomfort little bit angry and pour out emotion when Ijaz confront. Wallahu A'lam.

[@OnewithIsrael]

54:07 Yes, I did convert to Islam after the Historicity stream smashed my faith in the reliability of the scriptures. However, straight after my conversion I got a great many messages from friends and strangers, who are now friends, trying to bring me back to Christianity and telling me all the bad things about Muhammad and the Qur’an that I didn’t know before. Now I’m not sold on Muhammad and the Qur’an but still believe in one God. I have stopped attending Mosque but still pray more than 5 times a day. After my doubts, my Friend Ahmad stopped talking to me and now I only have Nazam and Abbas to help me figure this out. I was frustrated with Ijaz because he said that I am stating things that line up with my beliefs, even though he knows that I don’t believe in the reliability of scripture. He keeps changing the subject of real struggling questions I’m going through back to the unreliability of scripture which I already know, and giving me arguments that will not stand in Christian circles and my own doubts. I’m trying to show how they can be explained away and get to the heart of my questions. Thankfully Abbas was able to clear up one very quickly in passing without even knowing it, and Nazam sent me some more information. These brothers are very helpful to me searching the truth before it’s too late for me. I need to know the reliability of Muhammad and Qur’an; because everything I’ve heard so far is not giving me a clear answer.

[@Toast45611]

Wait a second.. Tim reverted to Islam on a stream right? Is he still Muslim?

[@TheeCrownedOne]

I am wondering the same thing.. 🤷

[@deen-al-afriqi]

Tim believes in his own desires

[@LJ-jd5yy]

Did Tim just make a fool of everyone by taking theshahadah on a stream a while ago and now hes a xtian again?

[@MohamedMohamed-ee3wj]

he is fooling no one but himself...

[@kabhussain3113]

That looked fake at the time, but I gave the benefit of the doubt..

[@ShafiqFaizal]

The only person he fooled, if that was his intention, was himself.

[@summer5145]

I think he's genuinely confused. Yet as the Quran states truth stands out from falsehood so anyone with a sincere heart free of prejudice should see that clearly. Only advice to Timothy is put your head on the floor and pray to the only true God who sent Jesus Christ and ask to be guided to the truth. InshaAllah if youre sincere you will be guided to the truth.

[@OnewithIsrael]

I wasn’t trying to fool anyone. After watching the Historicity series I was confronted with the reality of the unreliability of the Bible and it’s trustworthiness. I was too hasty in my Shahada not being fully convinced that Muhammad was a true prophet from God and that the Qur’ān is from God. I know that the Bible is not the word of God and I pray only to YHWH (God) prostrated with my head to the ground everyday multiple times to get the truth. It is not as easy as it is made out to be, especially with so many people telling me all the bad things about Muhammad and the Qur’ān. That is what I was trying to get across in this stream. It quickly got diverted from my original questions and onto subjects that they know I don’t fully believe, but cannot fully discount.

[@TheeCrownedOne]

Was Tim not a Muslim like weeks ago?

[@aseelsabah9211]

He is as far as I remember

[@samelalideemperorj3755]

I don’t think he is as he was arguing in favour of the Bible on the last stream. I think the brother that does the time stamps misunderstood and wrongly labelled it

[@yaqubjordaan9854]

​@@samelalideemperorj3755he said his shahada on a previous stream. I remember it clearly. The brother that does the timestamps got it right as far as I'm concerned.

[@frankszanto]

He must have realised he made a mistake when he said Muhammad is God's prophet.

[@frankszanto]

@@ElyasQuick1 Yes, the name Muhammad does appear the Quran a couple of times. The question is, was it a man's name, or was it a title - the Blessed One, referring to Jesus.

[@allanwilliams2079]

@Ijaz The Trini Verily, verily, I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am. Before Abraham exists, I exist. This is the gist of Jews question to Jesus. The Jews inquired, has thou seen Abraham, who has been dead for all these years, since before you were born? Therefore, Jesus answer is not referring to Abraham birth. Verse 57 takes birth out of the rest of the conversation. Since we all exist before we are given birth to, Jesus statement that "before Abraham exists, I exist "; shows that he is more than a man because he is in existence before man started to exist. You cannot "mix" the things that you are comparing. Jesus could not say that he was born of a woman before Abraham was. In that he said "I exist" then he can only be referring to the existence of Abraham and not to his birth.

[@arabianknight0000]

I used to feel sorry for christians, but thanks to people like Prima scriptura, Robin Boom, Frankenstein Frank, christian princess, Sam the Sham Shamoun and Al Farti, I have no respect nor sympathy for them whatsoever. The lies, the deceit, the denial, the dishonesty they spew is absolutely sickening and cannot be given respect of any sort.

[@allanwilliams2079]

How good is Ijaz?? @Ijaz The Trini Verily, verily, I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am. Before Abraham exists, I exist. This is the gist of Jews question to Jesus. The Jews inquired, has thou seen Abraham, who has been dead for all these years, since before you were born? Therefore, Jesus answer is not referring to Abraham birth. Verse 57 takes birth out of the rest of the conversation. Since we all exist before we are given birth to, Jesus statement that "before Abraham exists, I exist "; shows that he is more than a man because he is in existence before man started to exist. You cannot "mix" the things that you are comparing. Jesus could not say that he was born of a woman before Abraham was. In that he said "I exist" then he can only be referring to the existence of Abraham and not to his birth.

[@arabianknight0000]

@@allanwilliams2079 stop embarrassing yourself and turn to Allah now as Jesus did and all the prophets before it's too late and stop wasting your life being ignorant

[@efdawahfan]

i thought Tim became muslim ?? or was that someone else ??

[@rockyattar]

Prima is brain 🧠 dead 💀 lost 😞 he’s need serious help asap.

[@allanwilliams2079]

@Abbas @Dr Imran @Nazam44 @Ijaz The Trini What/why is the/there this muslims/muslim's obsession with "prophethood"??

[@meqdadmahmoud6641]

1:42:24 this person is not serious to reach to any truth.

[@seanou2837]

I listen to tim and he is definitely not a smart guy.

[@aharaw007rawat3]

PS is giving Christianity a bad name....dishonest people should be muted n shut out

[@frankszanto]

When are you going to do the Historicity of the Quran? You promised I would be first in line of those who want to question this. (Although technically it was Hamza who made the promise, before he ran away). Three years later, I am still waiting. And I am blocked.

[@myuzairy7324]

Probably once you have ample evidences for your counter-claims collected. We all know how you prefer to skimp on the evidences and rely on "words of Frank" instead.

[@kate-224]

Frank..get your facts right...hamza, have move on from EFDawah..he did not run away..as a christian, you should speak be truthful

[@frankszanto]

@@kate-224 I guess if had to run away from the truth, I might also claim to have "moved on". Hamza cannot defend Islam, and does not like to be in a situation where he is not in control. If I had a dollar from every Muslim who brought up "the talking donkey" I would be a rich man. Can you explain to me how this validates the Quran? The Bible says something you cannot believe, and therefore Muhammad is allowed to make up ridiculous nonsense?

[@kate-224]

@@frankszanto so if CEO of an organization resigned to pursue his own/other interest, does that mean he runs away? Why dont you contact him on his own channel... hes still available.... talking donkey...if you have addressed it, then it will been resolved...Islamophobia is a money making machine, im sure you r cashing $$$..maybe someone funding u or your youtube videos making $$$. ... talking donkey, zombies, god flying on baby cherub..if u dont have an issue with these, then why pick and choose of the same on someone else book/religion. Are you running out of ideas/questions to challenge islam?.you r throwing stones at someone house, when u r clearly living in a glass house...im just pointing out your deception..

[@myuzairy7324]

@@frankszanto _The Bible says something you cannot believe, and therefore Muhammad is allowed to make up ridiculous nonsense?_ It's only "ridiculous" when we apply your standard, Frank. For example, the sun being halted in the Bible is a miracle of God. But if something similar is in the Quran, you'd say it's a myth.

[@esrefcelebi]

02:15:00 Why is prima scriptural blatantly lying? In the given verse, Jesus doesn't say "Abraham was Gmglad to see me in his days" but rather says "Abraham was rejoiced to see my day". How stupid he is? He misreads John 58 as "he saw me in his days" then jumps to Genesis 18 to interpret that Jesus/God was one of the three men who visited Abraham. If one reads his scripture in such a stupid way, no wonder why he gets lost and is not guided at all. "he leaves those who do not use their minds in filth" surah 10 verse 100.

[@desmondmansingh5175]

Muslims do not understand the malkezedek story,it has nothing to do of him being eternal!!

[@desmondmansingh5175]

SALVATIONIN JESUS CHRIST ALONE NONE NEGOTIABLE ACCIRDING TO BIBLE,READ ACTS:4V12

[@arabianknight0000]

Tim talks about satan not knowing he is being led back to darkness by satan. And I noticed Frank is still making a fool of himself in the live chat

[@frankszanto]

Do you believe Solomon sent a jinn to steal the Queen of Sheba's throne? How can a book with fairy tales like that be the word of God? It is not me who is making a fool of myself.

[@shiroboo525]

​@@frankszantoYou believe in talking donkey Frank

[@shirexx1]

​@@frankszantodo u believie ur mangod being kidnapped by SATAN?

[@tsharmine]

Too softie 4 brothers, arrogant Christian take this chance to smash these brothers with an absurd questions . Brother Hamza should join in this .

[@frankszanto]

@@shiroboo525 How does this help you? The Quran says that Solomon had birds and jinns in his army. A talking bird brought him a report from Sheba, and went back with a threatening letter. This is obviously fantasy. The Bible says nothing about Solomon having magic powers, or living in a magical kingdom, and yet says a lot more about Solomon. No intelligent person can believe this. I don't believe in a talking donkey. What makes you think I would?

[@desmondmansingh5175]

DON'T PEOPLE REALIZE THAT MUSLIMS SIT ON THE FENCE ALL THE TIME!!

[@shiroboo525]

Really.. 😅

[@Anasibnmendes]

Please explain. Would love to understand you better.

[@desmondmansingh5175]

BIBLE CLEARLY SAYS THAT THE KINGFOM OF GOD IS LIKE A MUSTARD SEED STARTS SMALL THAN GROW BIG,READ MATTHEW:13V31-32 IT STARTED OFF WITH 12 ORDINARY MEN (DISCIPLES) AND STILL GROWING WHERE EVERYONE CAN ENTER AND WE'RE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS!!

[@Toronado2]

Christians believe in A PAGAN Human Blood Sacrifice. Even their God Says Sacrificing Sons and Daughters is a PAGAN Practice. And then He goes and does it Himself! It's like God saying LYING is a SIN and then goes and LIES Himself.

[@desmondmansingh5175]

😂😂😂ijaz's last words,reverse psychology as if they could answer questions,he wanted to use Bible verse Titus:3v9 to refute the Christian but in fact muslims are the ones who like to use these type of arguments using genealogies etc.wich is foolish according to Bible arguing from Bible!

[@desmondmansingh5175]

Ijaz seem to want to be more educated than the translators,he does not even understand meaning of Ephesians chapter 4 This is how muslims deceive,twist and put spin on verses with their islamic understanding,ijaz do not want to admit Jesus pre existense because that would mean Jesus is God!!

[@myuzairy7324]

_Ijaz seem to want to be more educated than the translators_ Still waiting for you to come on the stream to correct him.

[@rosdykalat2620]

@@myuzairy7324 This guy can't even spell let alone structure more then 2 sentences together ...lol

[@m.a.azmiazmi882]

Then you need to listen to Bart Ehraman to understand bible?

[@allanwilliams2079]

Ijaz is merely a loud biblical dunce who fools himself by believing that he is somehow authorized to set the parameters which establishes the correctness of the Bible.

[@desmondmansingh5175]

ALL WORDS IN QURAN FROM allah,muhammed is only witness to that and yet muslims believe but Jesus' statements was made in front of multipal wtnesses including pharisees,scribes,teaches of the law and also His disciples!!

[@robinboom1184]

Congratulations on reaching 50 shows. You didn't understand the contradiction in the Quran I came across in my reding of the Quran. Surah 46::15 states that the bearing and weaning of a child is 30 months (9 months pregnancy) 21 months suckling. Surah 2:233 and Surah 31:14 say that birth to weaning is 24 months. Do the maths. They contradict each other.

[@Toronado2]

@robinboom Actually this, rather than being a contradiction, what it does is show that the Quran IS from Allah. It is an Testimony of the Miraculous Nature of The Quran. Can you GUESS why I say that? Let's see how educated you are?

[@desmondmansingh5175]

BART EHRMAN CONFIRM JESUS CHRIST WAS CRUCIFIED!!

[@desmondmansingh5175]

Statements quoted that muslims don't argue that's in the Bible does not even agree with their theology,muslims quote verses completely out of context!!

[@desmondmansingh5175]

WITHOUT LIES ISLAM DIES!!

[@robinboom1184]

@@Toronado2 It is a contradiction and actually the statement to wean a child at 24 months itself is quite wrong. The majority of children did not suckle at the breast for 24 months, even in ancient times. These days with milk substitutes it is much less, so tell me, are all women and their babies who do not suckle their young for the whole 24 months disobeying Allah? So these verses show that the Quran is NOT from Allah as you claim, because they are fallacious and contradictory. Most human females will not keep producing breast milk for 24 months.

[@desmondmansingh5175]

QURAN IS DIVINE SCRIPTURE OF MUHAMMED AND NOT FROM ALLAH GREATEST OF DECEIVERS!!

[@seanou2837]

Don't embarrass yourself pagan.

[@desmondmansingh5175]

DISCIPLES AND PAUL PREACH THE SAME GOSPEL,READ GALATIANS:2V5-8 THIS SHOWS HOW MUSLIMS CAN DECEIVE AND TWIST SCRIPTURE!!