The Origin NO ONE Plays In Stellaris

Playing with this origin isn't.. unique..
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Stellaris is a 4X grand strategy video game developed and published by Paradox Interactive. Stellaris' gameplay revolves around space exploration, managing an empire, diplomacy, and space warfare with other space-faring civilizations.
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[@Ep3o]

As soon as I finished the video it came to my attention that there may be a niche use of the origin. Because gateway construction is a tier 5, if you use the dark consortium civic, you can get quick access to the special agendas (that only unlock once you research one tier 5 tech!), allowing you to access dark matter components!

[@galensturupcomeau1242]

Ooo interesting!

[@cosmictreason2242]

If you want to monopolize gate travel, the other niche is to set the deactivated gateways setting to zero, which won't affect the one in your home system

[@doomdrake123]

Huh, well tonight I'll try this. Rush science as well, but only species buff to that.

[@philteale6658]

Just tried this and got dark matter deflectors by 2280 😅

[@galensturupcomeau1242]

@ep3o, I think you should try gates zero and dark matter playthrough.

[@Legion440]

If I remember right when this origin came out gateways were pretty uncommon to find in the galaxy and you couldn't get the tech for them without discovering one. This origin gave you a guaranteed way to get the ability to build your own gates.

[@___.51]

Still can't get gateways without first discovering an abandoned one. Set them to zero and you'll never get the tech.

[@endarus6053]

@@___.51 I do that all the time and this origin gives you the tech even at 0x abandoned gateway spawns.

[@JohnSmith-bs9ym]

4:15 Oh man...The tab thing was so dumb. I hate how you had to constantly tab switch. So glad they brought back the "everything in one tab" screen.

[@TheArklyte]

Ngl, this origin NEEDS expanded lore on "Gate Builders" and synergy with L-gate. Maybe even ability to change the type of gate to L-gate through a decision within the questline and even influence the odds of what comes out of the gate(even though right now it predetermined if I recall right). Woops, unleashed Grey Tempest 30 years in. Woops, aligned myself with L-cluster. Woops, I now control nanospacewhales, who carry my spores everywhere. Woops, I colonized L-cluster and none of you can reach me there yet.

[@cosmictreason2242]

If this origin lowers the build cost of gateways (2000c and 500 (800?) alloy, rather than the standard 6000c/2500a - and 50 rather than 100 inf for a new one) then it would also be a serious mid game buff that would make it way worth it to start with

[@tenaciousgamer6892]

I would make it a precursor that only that origin gets. With all the extras that entels.

[@sirbreadstick5664]

Maybe make it an L-gate or connect to the L-cluster but do something so that you don’t have to sit and wait until you can handle the grey tempest to be able to safely open it. Maybe make it one way until you activate the L-gate on the other side or something

[@calebwilliams586]

​@@sirbreadstick5664honestly? I'd say don't do that. An RNG slugfest would be so fun to opt into sometimes Then again I'm a noob and I've only gone to the L cluster once (it was empty) so maybe that threat wouldn't be fun to insert early

[@nekonsk]

I normally use this origin for my AI empires. As I set random Gateways to zero, so you HAVE to find an empire with these to allow your scientists to someday get the option to research these.

[@IapitusMcHeimer]

Thats a fun idea

[@AmLycanThat]

I think a simple solution to this Origin would be to have the Gateway in the capital system to provide a tech boost in some regard, perhaps increasing with every event and once concluded, grants the Gateway technology as a reward and allows you to build 1 Gateway for free.

[@___.51]

A boost to physics research speed would not be out of place in this game.

[@tomisabum]

Tying bonuses to hyper relays wouldn't hurt either.

[@darcraven01]

i'd just link it to the creaters of the L-gate, giving a lot more lore about them with the reward of building a new/unique gateway type that leads to another L-cluster type area with more nanite deposits and access to archeology sites to get nanite tech..

[@fuchsmichael93]

Easy Solution could be, to just give you guaranteed Access to the Megastructure Research, not just Gatebuilding. With the Gate as finished MS for Galactic Wonders Perk, you´d be able to build a Dyson Sphere or Ringworld by Year 60 something, depending how Techfocused you are.

[@rayve8899]

this origin is just handicapping yourself from the start

[@MarlKitsune]

And worse its not even a fun handicap like doomsday.

[@___.51]

It was never good but it’s even suffered from power-creep as other, better mobility origins have been released lol.

[@AlexBergPlays]

Cat! 😊

[@gamesandglory1648]

@@MarlKitsune doomsday at least had times where it was meta for rush builds (don't know about current performance)

[@TheKianykin]

I play handicapp sometimes for the challenge and roleplay.

[@isuckatusernames4297]

you know, if this origin buffed gateways, lowered its cost, allowed you to get more events like the extra alloys one and stuff, it'll be more interesting

[@bizmasterTheSlav]

This origin is not straight up bad, it's just boring. That archaeology origin is even weaker (if I remember correctly) but at least it's more interesting.

[@benoithudson7235]

One thing with gateways that annoys me is the hyper-relay networks ignore gateways. So you can't use gateways to keep your L-cluster or the psionic wormhole connected with networked amenities and the vassal relay network buffs.

[@Midnight-wh2bs]

To be fair considering how strong colonizing the L-Cluster is, missing out on network buffs is a pretty worthwhile trade off.

[@shinkicker404]

This Origin should treat the Gateway an archaeological site. Give you some permanent bonuses maybe become a mini science nexus from all the study you’re doing and maybe add on a rare resource or two like Liquid Metal or something.

[@AndrewChumKaser]

Even giving it a flat 10-15% research speed buff would be something. It might not make it a spectacular origin, but it'd be thematic, and a decent buff that is still relatively simple and straightforward.

[@Kasaaz]

I've been asking for them to redo this every time... Given examples, I don't know if they're good, but I'm trying. But it never happens. My assumption is because it's not part of any expansion. Anyone can pick it, I believe.

[@peterk7428]

I feel like an origin that gave you a wormhole to another system with a guaranteed habitable would be interesting.

[@robguy8501]

Small tip for early fleet exploration: Starting corvettes have one missile slot. If you refit that missile slot into either laser or kinetic it'll cost around 5 alloys and your ships will go from engaging at missile range(100 units) to engaging at only 40-50 units. Also for the enemies coming through the gateway you could defend more cheaply by building defense platforms or defensive modules on your starbase. Even just a few wings of fighters or point defense should be enough as the only meaningful weapon amoebas have is their bio-fighters. Their energy siphon does -75% damage to armor making it very easy to counter.

[@bodbyss]

Oh neat. An interesting reason to switch to a shorter weapon system. Good to know

[@Kasaaz]

RNG should be 'what type of resource do you get?' It shouldn't be 'how much.'

[@marconaumann3187]

TBH I quite like the origin. If I play multiplayer I usally pick it as it usally connects my friends and I rather quick. I also am a hogg of the L-Gate... so I usally crack that can of worms open to get in... and place a Gate next to the L-Gate... meaning I can transport into enemy space from wherever my forge/factory worlds are. I also use gates (and this origin) to effectively bulk down. My borders (and L-Gate) heavily defended... while my "attack groups" swarm out of gates to re-enforce systems or atack a claim before vanishing into the night. Works quite well... and AI can't defeat you if you can literally appear anywhere in your borders within 10 days. Players are more "frustrating" sure.. but seeing that I quickly take controal over L-Gates (usally) I am the go-to person for inter-galactic travel and transportation. (I am there before you flew down 4 systems) Sure exepnsive... but as a Logistic loving person... I realy love this Origin.

[@herozen1338]

i recently started playing stellaris and this has been my go to origin as a machine empire (because for SOME reason you can't have the machine world start with rogue servitors... it's not hard to put a potted plant ontop of a computer, this is no different)

[@___.51]

I like the remnants origin for rogue servitor

[@Velatus5978]

You should try rogue servitor and the remenants origion if you want a really good combination, incase you have the fitting DLCs. If you want a bigger explanation why feel free to ask.

[@robguy8501]

More like putting your potted plant inside of the computer case, then overclocking said computer. Except your plant isn't very juicy so when it dies your computer probably won't get the "organic slurry" modifier unlike the machine world.

[@XViper123]

On top of many of the other ideas, a quick tactical change would be: Only you can exit from the gateway in your home system. It's permanently locked to only you. Kinda like the reverse of the L-gate, where if you're the one who opens it, you can seal your gate.

[@Vaasref]

This origin should allow the use of gateways as mini catapults from the start in exchange for forcing ships to jump back to the gateway system. (Shh don't talk about wormhole.)

[@___.51]

Something something eager explorers civic but as an origin and with gateways, you get the idea, this origin needs to be updated

[@berkaltuglu8140]

I do play this origin. Helps connecting the galaxy for my vas- very good neighbours

[@helcarloki1887]

DO NOT KNOCK THE DOORSTOP. especially since it's one of only 3 available without dlc. I have no dlc 😢

[@rhynes132]

My my... How the turntables

[@vaniellys]

It's sad that the official STARGATE origin is so weak...

[@liberator8858]

BEST Origin with mod ''Guaranteed Paragons'' (early Skrand Sharpbeak and ship 20k)

[@khatack]

This origin would be better if there were 2 or 3 gateways connected to it and if you could reactivate it earlier and cheaper. A special "black crown" physics situation and maybe 500 or 1000 energy credits should be enough. The whole idea of the origin is to have your civilizations fingerprint in multiple locations across the galaxy, the fact that it takes so long to activate it pretty much guarantees that the second gate is COMPLETELY useless. This is just seriously bad design.

[@commandoepsilon4664]

I've only used the Gateway origin once, and that was with a friend where we both took it and rushed down the gateway tech so we could support each other easily. However that was before teachers of the shroud origin was added, now you can just both take that and you can immediately make a shroud tunnel and get the same effect as soon as you can get 500 alloy. The only down side is anyone can use the shroud tunnel, but you aren't required to put it in your home system so it's not much of a down side.

[@cyberfox2936]

Wow dude....calling space foxes weak? Rude!

[@johnhobbes2268]

I love playing niche origins. But this one is just boring. My new favorite is "Common Ground" with "Selective Kinship" and "Gaia seeders" The Kinship creates two empires with your world preference but on other planet types. So they will start with only 20% habitability. This will give you a massive migration boost and it makes it likely that one of those empires will revolt and become a new empire. This allows you to vassilize them and they will have a huge amount of rare resources to trade (For your early gaia seeder, without the fumes trait) You can get you a very early tier 3 federation (the spiritual is really good.)

[@ghostymytoasty7007]

If the gateway was linked to the L Cluster instead this could be really good. Hell even if it just lead into the L Gate path for situations I'd be satisfied.

[@owl2267]

Combine the gateway origin with the quantum catapult one, and then you could have a cool scattered empire.

[@briannaherrington949]

Not the FitnessGram pacer test! I thought only Nurse got that meme (Edit) Has anyone made a mod that boosts this origin? The comments had plenty of good ideas for just that

[@moltrazahn2279]

Wait... nobody plays this? ... But... it's my favorite. It's one of the only ones I do play O.O. You're essentially 95% guaranteed to get Regenerative Hull Tissue from the initial attacks. Which when combined with Enigmatic Engineering can boost you ahead of your foes with sustainability.

[@robertagren9360]

Clearly it's a lie

[@Sonic_5342]

but there is an event out of which you get 12,5k cruiser and great admiral

[@Gray_ninja]

Wait WHAT?? Thats the most played by me because gates are very useful for a wide empire

[@renegadetrooper7224]

It's funny, my first ever custom game of stellaris I picked this one as my origin because I thought it was a simple yet cool concept.

[@swedizzle12]

That worm hole subscriber animation made me want to subscribe!

[@LanceBryantGrigg]

This origin could be so much better if it had a synergistical territory gain advantage and allowed an empire type to be almost everywhere and border half the galaxy or more due to how easy you could setup 1 system basecamps everywhere.

[@enriquegarcia7207]

Great video as always!! I hope the devs will rework that origin..

[@hezzab3669]

i feel there should be something like very early hyperrelays with this origin too, an almost guaranteed first to having space highways

[@Draythix]

Yea... I feel like this origin should give you a permanent 50-75% cost reduction for building and activating gateways. That's the only way that getting the tech earlier would even be worth it.

[@Mika-ph6ku]

Origin could go pretty hard if the gateway connects to a single system outside the galaxy with a single living metal deposit rather than a random system within the galaxy.

[@solduspython]

Gateway is my meta orgin, I build a gateway at every border point in my empire, I call it the stargate defence. Keep my fleets in orbit at the black crown, the sec an enemy enters my space, boom my fleets can be in the border system instantly. Also u can be really scummy by putting gateways to zero so only u have gateway tech for ages

[@Riael]

I recommend doing this origin with modded (or make the mod yourself) subspace drives that have 0.000001% hyperdrive speed. That way your ships do tactical jumps and you can build gateways going around the galaxy, I love roleplaying as a corporation that does this and also controls the L cluster, roleplaying as being in control of galactic trade because gateways > hyperlanes

[@danielgloyd4529]

Just turn the abandoned gateway setting higher in the menu and make the origin redundant.

[@fuchsmichael93]

Easy Solution could be, to just give you guaranteed Access to the Megastructure Research, not just Gatebuilding. With the Gate as finished MS for Galactic Wonders Perk, you´d be able to build a Dyson Sphere or Ringworld by Year 60 something, depending how Techfocused you are.

[@kerbalnaut_dirk-strider7267]

Omg cat

[@Baal07]

Honestly I think life-seeded and post-apoclyptic are worse generaly just worse. And its not like fruitful partnership offers all that much either. But maybe tbose count as "self imposed challenge" origins?

[@LethalOwl]

Could buff this origin a number of ways. Make gates earlier, make gates cheaper, make you able to repair broken ones cheaper, make you able to use any gates that are online, including enemy ones (unless you respect their closed borders when not at war). Maybe even get a headstart to the L-cluster. Maybe, once repaired, the arrival system is a black hole with an L-gate. And with your advanced knowledge of gateways, maybe you start out with 3/7 progress on the L-gate lr something. Lots of ways they could choose to buff this

[@galensturupcomeau1242]

So the beta has "Gateway build cost -25%, Megastructure Build Speed +5%" I'm not sure this is enough. But re reading the notes i see giving the gateway activation tech and giving progress on gateway construction is good

[@LtShadowKitsune]

Yeah, federations should allow for building gateways and hyperrelays in allies. I'd be fine if you had to get them to agree to the site you chose and they were left with veto power. Anyways for specific origins improvements because it really is the worst origin. On the shoulder of giants gives you more minor artifacts, more partially researched tech, spawns in I want to say at least two new systems, once of which it a pre-FTL world and you get a pretty good permanent empire modifier when you finish. Remnants is also pretty good, it's weaker than on the shoulders of giants, but you get more minor artifacts and more partially researched techs. Also I think you RNG'd out of one of the worst events for this origin because IIRC you could end up permanently, losing one of your homeworld's generator districts. So depending on how RNG goes, this origin could end up being slightly worse than not having an origin at all. As for improving it. A discount on gateway construction costs would be a good starting point. Maybe a reduction in build time. Maybe get a small permanent bonus physics research upon completing the origin's final event. I'd also suggest that the head of research gets one extra starting trait, which would be expertise propulsion and that your empire also has the first afterburner technology fully research. The last two bits would also be about giving an empire some starting bonuses, while sticking to the theme of the origin.

[@tomisabum]

Yeah, this ones overdue for a rehaul badly. My enjoyment of it really was more due to enjoying toying with some fun xenophobe civics, pompous purist and technocracy, to play an empire that'd become so paranoid from the crowns presence that it'd turned into a weird dictatorship. Slapped in Police State later to round it out.

[@waylanddavick9459]

When I played through this origin, I lost my spaceport and it was a miserable time when I realized I got nearly nothing for the pain. The first time you play it - you've no idea you're going to get an invasion from it. I don't recommend. Having gateways is niche and not particularly useful imho.

[@zacharybecker8228]

If it gave survey speed quicker or sub light speed quicker and because the society wanted to reach for space travel so much giving bonus pop growth from immigration would all be decent bonuses

[@LoneWolf343]

I have this origin for one of my AI empires, the one I like to use the most, but the problem I have with it is how to pace it. Once you finish the questline, yeah, you get a guaranteed gateway activation tech option, but the cost for it is still tremendous and you would would have to spend actual decades neglecting other technologies to get it (of course, I think that you can only research one technology from a tree at a time is also terrible but that's whole different rant.)

[@adamnevraumont4027]

This origin could be fun if you could have the gateway flicker. Like, you develop a tech that turns it on for 1 month per year, or even a short period of 5 years and then never turns on again. Toss an extra habitable world on the other side.

[@CarlyRivers_91]

the irony of picking this origin in my own games pretty commonly really cuz I like to get gateways fast usually and this guarentees it, i didnt know others dont' normally grab it xD

[@MoaRider]

I like this origin simply because its a good way of guaranteeing getting Skrand Sharpbeak.

[@johnmalkowski9485]

The imperial origin and the vassal origin are literally ALMOST the same 💀

[@halonut96]

honestly thats the only origin I play cause I have the GTU mod and I always RP them. Well either that origin or the unification one

[@carlburke1625]

"Origin"? Which DLC added those? (I haven't played in 5 or 6 years.)

[@daradacro23]

The only origin that matters if frameworld with determined exterminator robot spiders. The only way I can have fun in stellaris now after all these years… I kinda still miss warp drives

[@-Malt-]

im shocked this origin even exists still?! not a expert at any rate but so far as i know every other origin gives you some kind of bonus from the start, as long as gateways are enabled in theory you can just find one nearby with other orgins instead and gateways themselves seem to be most effective at allowing large fleets to travel far quickly, since small fleets travel faster then large and gateways are to costly to plop down everywhere gateway origin is the real lost origin

[@El_Presidente_5337]

9:50 I am the guy who would play with this origin for 600 years and be disappointed that nothing happened wirh the science ship.

[@3044Smike]

this origin gets 80% better with the mass effect mods; the gate way is active from the start and the invaders are unaligned collectors (normally considered a fallen empire) so you can get some decent techs

[@Astuar]

You can get Last Talon on your first gate activation and roam around with a 18K Titan early on.

[@Draythix]

I find it hilarious that they have announced a buff to this origin just a little over a week after you posted this video! Seems like you got their attention :)

[@IsfetSolaris]

Part of the reason nobody plays it in my opinion is that it's a complete dice roll on whether or not the gate spawns are useful to you. So there's a chance your big perk of a guaranteed gate is worthless because the other gates spawn in an area that's not advantageous.

[@stormtrooper2466]

This was the first Origin I played with on Stellaris about a year ago now.

[@Huntress_Hannah]

You can explore with military ships now?????

[@eidod23]

is it weird my best species uses this origin. having a guaranteed gateway with a tech based machine empire maximizes the chance to make more gateways in late game

[@ShahjahanMasood]

The worst origin in my opinion is "Slingshot to the stars"

[@avnblaa7283]

It's really fun to play with barbaric despoilers :D if you are not looking to win/powergame

[@ShahjahanMasood]

@avnblaa7283 for sure, worse here only means in terms of ease of Meta building. Slingshot to the Stars is epic fun if you are only looking for memes. I would argue there are no "bad" origins, only a lot of very similar ones.

[@avnblaa7283]

All videos I see of this guy is just him torturing himself with the most boring stuff in Stellaris lol

[@WagudCode]

It did not even spawn a second gateway when I tried this origin.

[@christopherlowe1082]

I’m surprised that doomsday isn’t the least played tbh

[@kaisermosh4057]

me personally if im using this origin I always turn gate ways to zero.

[@Darlf_Sevil]

I kinda like it as corp to start this tech on my ally faster and have lower cost to my place on they planets

[@bananamrs]

Yay, the cat! The only thing worthy about that origin, imo

[@V-Endra]

wdym not that many fleets early on, am i doing something wrong?

[@Zathurious]

Now you know why that origin is very rarely used.

[@someone-om4mc]

Some origins and civics really need some rework

[@MrJuliansnow]

Hello kitty! (I did miss the name though)

[@Mateo-uj2cw]

It’s pretty decent in vanilla stellaris

[@archidor1944]

I want to be able to turn gateways on and off.

[@JobberV]

Yes best origin, nerf incoming!

[@scironex5055]

I've always used Galactic Doorstep as the "I don't actually want an Origin" origin. Some people would suggest Prosperous Unification, but that actually gives you a pretty decent chunk of stuff. Is that a good thing for Galactic Doorstep to be? Pfffft, no, but I'm glad the option exists.

[@cosmictreason2242]

I did play this one time when i had played a whole game with gates at the lowest setting so none of them spawned, meaning i couldn't research them either. It SUCKED. So in the next game i played with the lowest setting plus galactic doorstep, guaranteeing i was the only one who would develop gate travel technology. That was very mean to the AI. That's the only way i would recommend playing this origin (gates on lowest setting)

[@IccyChaos]

Does anybody know if the Legendary Paragon you may get from activating a Gateway is any good ??

[@maximilienfontaine9797]

Personally I like the slingshot to the skies origin better. That and mixed with the Stargazer Hive Mind Civic you get a 95% reduction in starbase influence cost. Sure you get less pops starting off, but you get to settle anywhere in the galaxy. That and building Gateways becomes so much better. With Hive Mind's spawning pools it makes Lithoids viable. Not to mention their Rare Crystal Species Trait, giving you enhance sensor range and the Civic giving Proto Jump Drives. Makes for a really interesting build if you don't mind all the micro managing of fleets starting out. Used to run Cordyceptis Drones to find breeding systems, but that was super unreliable. Now I just use Void Hive and if I find one of those systems I swap over. Really fun build and it's nice to be an intergalactic checkpoint manager.

[@alphadraconis9898]

It’s true that the custodians really need to take a pass through and buff the base game, both from a perk standpoint but mostly from a flavour point, for doorstep, why not start in an isolated cluster for which the gateway is the only access point, has a rich story attached, and collapses into a wormhole upon activation (due to balance need for allowing 2-way access). More base origins such as the long awaited colonial fleet and interplanetary war victors etc would be good, assuming PDX managers can be convinced to offer outside DLC.

[@ranekeisenkralle8265]

I actually quite like this origin when playing non-gestalt species. for a number of reasons. 1. having the gateway does guarantee that i get to research the tech for them later, since finding one is not necessarily guaranteed without changing the settings quite a bit. 2. the logistical perks of having gateways cannot be overstated for moving around your fleets with ease in order to rapidly respond to any situation that may arise. 3. tying into the second point: your trade-network also makes use of these gateways, so slapping 6 trade hubs on the starbase in your homeworld-system extends that reach through the gateway. 4. I like to use regenerative hull plating more than afterburners, because it prevents the necessity of having to return my fleets to a starbase for repairs - which can be crucial in a lengthy campaign. And finding amoebas or the crystal entities near your space is also not a given. Sure, it may not be "meta" but i find it nicely convenient.

[@jamescritchley]

i still-lY IT ANS ENJO IT

[@spacebumpkin1565]

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[@anthonymudge9768]

I played this origin once. I had the same ethics, the humanoid "Vulcan" portrait and even the same starting location. The game finished after one of the AIs decided to open up the L-Gates. Everyone bar the fallen empires and maybe one regular empire died. Never had that many refugees ever again.

[@divedweller4295]

7:20 - Praise Kitteh!

[@GGGG-jn7ib]

If this got a buff that makes u get the technology that works like jump drives but for ships, so u can jump into any gateway system

[@wildfire7528]

Random thing that came to my mind about this origin was how soon you got the ameoba for the regen hull tissue, so made me think if you went ravenous swarm with this origin and rerolled admirals for the repair trait and rushed armour and ship techs you might have some early tanky regen ships. However even then its basically terrible

[@DontKnow-hr5my]

Honestly, i always thought this was a good one for a coop play with a friend, since you bot have early Gateways into each others Capital Systems

[@MrBartolomeo22]

How does this origin play if you disable gateways in game settings?

[@Mika-ph6ku]

Your gateway and its connecting gateway are the only ones in the galaxy and you can effectively gatekeep the technology as long as you don't let anyone visit the systems with either gateway.

[@TheBookOfAkersGaming]

Cat prize horray!