The Origins and History of House Harkonnen | Dune Lore

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the water of life and the place where the reverend mothers can't look

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The Great Convention. The Laws of Dune. The prohibition on nuclear weapons being especially relevant at the moment.

[@Blu3bonic]

Well idk much about dune jus a book I've read and all the movies and most of the tv series but what you said about the atriedes forces they trained up that caused the emperor to retaliate with his personal sardakuar would be cool to see

[@ericgreen6427]

The Harkonnen disgrace originated not from treachery but from an act of compassion by Xavier Harkonnen. This act, though morally righteous, was politically disastrous and shaped the dark, power-obsessed nature of House Harkonnen in later generations.

[@KeyboardGeneration]

I like how the founder of the sisterhood, Raquella Anirul, who became the first reverend Mother, was the granddaughter of Vorian Atreides through one of his relationships. Raquella's successor, Valya Harkonnen, bore a deep hatred for the Atreides and pledged to revenge her house's shame by killing Vorian and his decendants, but was not aware of the link between Raquella and the Atreides bloodline. Also, as a side note, Valya's discovery of the 'Voice' could be considered an important factor in Lady Jessica's and Paul's survival thousands of years later while they were being transported out into the Arakis desert to be executed. I guess both Houses were linked to each other's survival throughout history in more ways than one.

[@holamoco]

Raquella Anirul was an Atreides?!

[@KeyboardGeneration]

@@holamoco Her mother was the illegitimate daughter of Karida Julan and Vorian Atreides.

[@ericgreen6427]

The actual rift of the harkonins was the refusal to give an order to finish off the thinking machines because it would kill so many people. So, an act of compassion by the harkonen general.

[@JEMurl]

It’s interesting that they have such animosity toward each other (maybe the Harkonen more so), But yet they become united through their descendant: Paul.

[@saintsinner6195]

One thing I never understood is that the BG sisterhood wanted Jessica to have a girl instead of Paul in order to wed that child to a Harkonnen heir (likely Feyd) to either fix the fued and/or fix a problem in the bloodline, but by Jessica (daughter of Baron Harkonnen) having a child with Duke Leto Atreides they had already done so.

[@elizabethjansen2684]

It wasn't about fixing anything about either family but a genetic factor in the BG breeding scheme

[@TwiceStruck]

@@elizabethjansen2684 Not To mention Its not like the Baron knew she existed, He Raped a BG who in turn used her internal body control to Infect him with an incurable diseases. Another thing the Emperor is just a Harkonnen who change named thousands of years earlier afrer winning the war with the machines. P.S House Atriedes creater was ten times as worst as any Harkonnen, wipe out millions of humans.

[@Nonicknameleftforme]

Well, not exactly. There are two aspects. 1st is political and the 2nd is genetical. For the political problem, Jessica is not officially the daughter of Baron Vladimir Harkonnen. There is no written evidence. Only the Bene Gesserit knew this. They needed therefore Jessice to give Leto a daughter to have a real aknowledged Atreides her to Marry an aknowledged Harkonen heir. The genetical side of things is, that the Bene Gesserit planned their genetical plan also. It wasn't only about politics. It was about genetics (in this case eugenics) too.

[@elizabethjansen2684]

@Nonicknameleftforme one small problem, usually a daughter is usually given to the bene gesserit. Jessica should have known that immediately. It might be not explicitly stated but a real thing.look at irulan they thought she would seduce paul and give a child to the sisters.

[@Charmedsas1]

i think of it as like making it more concentrated, the bloodline, lmao

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"Landsraad" is a Dutch word that can be rendered into English as "national council."

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[@SciHeartJourney]

I read The Butlerian Jihad and The Machine Crusade. Xavier Harkonnen was the hero of humanity. He discovered an awful secret by the leader of the Butlerian Jihad and was surrounded by them. He took them out without being able to explain why. They unfairly branded him a traitor! 😢 That was so sad. I kept imagining actor Michael Shannon portraying him. I'm on the 3rd book now: The Battle of Corrin.

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I prefer the pronunciations from the 1984 version. Herbert was an on set advisor in 84.

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[@OhioPaulDE]

Maybe I'm wrong, and I probably will be, but weren't Jessica's visions induced by the Water of Life, not spice? Perhaps I'm splitting hairs, but that's how I remember it watching the movie.

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The novel describes Water of Life as distilled spice essence (pretty much highly concentrated spice from a dead immature worm) so we're both right!

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[@Lesnz2009]

Rabban is known as Beast because he killed his parents when he was younger. I am surprised people do not know this as it is one of Brian Herbert's prequels noveliser related works. There is also the intriguing comment in one of Brian's novels that Dujke Leto Atredes' mother was herself a Harkonnen. I cannot remember which novel it was.

[@brandonlordbaltimore5182]

That's why people "do not know" because it's a Brian Herbert Novel. I'm an old school Dune fan. Still I give credit where credit is due. SOME of the material & information provided to the reader is interesting. These portions I can't help but feel are based on Frank Herbert's notes & writing's. The rest is just too much to put it lightly. Water worms, super spice, etc etc. No, just NO.

[@sectorgovernor]

No, Leto's mother was a Richese.

[@sectorgovernor]

Rabban killed his father, we don't know what happened with his mother. (He beated her but didn't kill her. After this there is no mention about her, but she is dead by the events of Caladan trilogy).

[@Lesnz2009]

Ok, I was wrong :) but I do remember from the novel she was under a kind of house arrest. There was some problem between her and Leto which was connected either with ongoing conflict between the two houses or with Ladyy Jessica.

[@daydreamer7618]

Härkönen is a Finnish surname. It basically means small bull.

[@tmaska]

Frank Herbert told that he came up with name Harkonnen after hearing this Finnish surname Härkönen (although he thought it was Russian). He felt it just sounded evil.

[@Tattletale97]

This explains why future sisters from the respective great houses who acquired other memories don't partake in bloodfued, since their other memories showed them what really happened.

[@neilsacatropezsaura2320]

i dont understand how the emperor thinks the atreides is a threat to his throne but not the harkonnen? though maybe its because leto atleast in my knowledge has a higher rank than vlad the former a duke and the latter a count

[@leonake4194]

Because the Emperor understands Vladimir Harkoonen, there's no questioning what he really wants. The Emperor Is fine with ambitious Evil Men who are just like him, Leto's natural power rise scares him

[@jerometruitt2731]

It came down to envy. Everyone in the Laandsraad liked the Atredies except for Harkonnens. Duke Leto was even more well liked than the Emperor

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[@christianealshut1123]

Well, Jessica was not just ordered to bear "a daughter", but "only daughters", which is different. I know they did say that if Jessica had had a daughter she could have been wed to a Harkonnen heir (presumably Feyd) but this cannot have been the only reason...In that case, it would have been enough to tell Jessica to bear one daughter (who could well be used to secure and bind the two bloodlines in the way desired) and then for the rest of her life with the Duke she would be free to do what she wants, even bear a son. But that was not the case; she was strictly ordered to bear only female offspring. This suggests that the BG were aware of what would happen if the Kwisatz Haderach came one generation too early. They probably even KNEW, otherwise they would not have their Missionaria Protective to plant the legends they did on Arrakis (that the liberator of the Fremen would be a man with a BG for a mother).

[@angelmarcano6747]

Good explanation of there backstory.

[@evaderl8343]

Only reason harkonnens still exist is because of vorian vouching for them and jsut getting them exiled coulda been way worse. But they were out in a bad spot with nobody to hear them out

[@tallapartment6776]

I wonder if just as the original Harkonnen's history was blackened by rumor and lies the stories of the "thinking machine" suffered a similar fate.

[@NickHuizenga-j2u]

Griffin isn’t valyas brother , there cousins

[@11u510n15t]

Are we accepting that Prophecy's events inspired the BG to search for a KH following the latest revelation?

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Love them!

[@derekbidelman2442]

They stripped house Harkonnen of their wealth,pride,title,sense of fashion, humor and hair....

[@stoveguy2133]

How did folks travel in space before spice was discovered?

[@theelectricprince8231]

Thinking machines

[@halfpine9952]

Slowly

[@aidanlela4872]

house freaky

[@CaptainSeato]

They weren't, "originally."

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House freak offs

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Awesome!

[@Emanon...]

It seems a bit unrealistic that the Atreides and Harkonnen have a feud that has lasted 10.000 years. Also, a bit weird that it's like one dude and a son or his nephews, considering how many people should be in line to each of their positions after that long a period.

[@VVack..]

The degree of control the bene geserit have over the great houses and their heirs/succession definitely make it possibly. The bene geserit are obviously not realistic seeing as how they are magic

[@halfpine9952]

It is a universe where the gods are worms that produce hallucinogenic substances…a generational family feud hardly seems “unrealistic”

[@ZATennisFan]

If THE Bene Gesserit can't access the genetic of their male lineage could the Baron's ego memory consume Alia?

[@markchappell4148]

Thinking machine do not need eat Worm pooh to introduce worms into their CPU.

[@dwharbin]

Vaylia is only a great granddaughter after 10,000 years?

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So if any kid gets deep into math: watch that kid😮😮😮

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Wait! But there's Lore!

[@markchappell4148]

Is called Draconian Rule here or Dragon Rule and it is not accepted, I'm am sorry. Here mans are softer on the children and parental citizens.

[@theelectricprince8231]

Thula

[@phoenixsasha2727]

How is this an origins and history of the house when you're just telling us what we already know from the movie? This is not a history lesson, it's just a recap of the movie bro.

[@WestSideGorilla1980]

Those harpys feyd has are pretty hott tho, in a dangerous way.

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You need help man

[@mbdzel]

Hark A Non is how its pronounced.

[@shadowhenge7118]

Har-Cone-en

[@karisalonen8984]

I thought it was Härkönen.

[@sophierobbins7237]

Isn’t all this made up, though?

[@markchappell4148]

And we're did Paul go Barren ? You eat him here as well ? Dad informed me of Paul's duplicity. So Paul is dead and gone by the by again .

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Collateral damage will always happen.

[@deandodson3546]

I can already see this is going to be a woke version of Dune. Chani will be something different from the original. The movies will unfortunately change the opinion of the books and drive a wedge between fans in this Mao cultural revolution of destroying the old and bring in the new way of thinking.

[@frankh4277]

Is it too much to ask for these hollywierd directors to stick to the source material instead of pushing their agenda down the fans throats. The dune series has been successful without being woke.

[@Thetruthiscosmic]

Everything must first pass though their cultural revolution filter. I'm afraid if it does not conform with the *agenda* in some way these days... it is not getting made. Certainly not by big studios. It's sad and will lead to tragedy. All this communist brainwashing and desire to tear down the West and Christianity is simply-put a recipe for mysery and disaster.

[@nuzoh20]

Everytime there is a black person it’s “the woke agenda”. People give it a break. The screen plays always differ from the source material never an exact replica. But as soon as they cast a person of color people are so mad. Lmfao how much does the character being blk white or orange have to do with the overall plot.

[@frankh4277]

@@nuzoh20 I wasn't talking about the color of the actors. I was talking about making changes to the outcome between chani Paul and the princess. Nowhere did anyone bring up the races of the characters.

[@gbogbominin]

​@@nuzoh20 he said Chani will be something different from the book, that implies he watched the 2nd one and the 1st one years ago so he definitely noticed that Chani was black . He was talking about her fate in the book. Why do y'all have to always make it about skin colour's than cry to the wolf ? I'm black.