The Orville vs Star Wars Similarities

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[@Mumblix]

If this had happened on Star Trek Discovery, there would have been at least three cringe-y monologues about how much "I value you as a person" and a bunch of teary hugs.

[@Lumibear.]

And I can’t imagine the final self sacrificing hero would’ve been quite the same.

[@axelhopfinger533]

And i would have switched off right after the first one, no matter how spectacular the rest of the episode may have been.

[@dustinherk8124]

and about 700 lens flairs blinding the audience when the quantum core was shown on screen.

[@BlazingOwnager]

You know the difference between this and NuTrek? All of this feels like absolutely 100% intentional homage and not rip-off.

[@nel1962]

No. It's a rip off. But a well done rip off. Seth loves to imitate the stuff he loves. It's his trademark. The whole show is as close as you can get to an imitation TNG. There's no hiding that. The difference maker is that it's done with real heart and so we can forgive the obvious lifts from other things. When I was watching this it was very clearly a mix of the Battle of Endor and raid on Starkiller Base.

[@axelhopfinger533]

Yes. It is quite apparent that McFarlane understands and cherishes both Star Trek and Star Wars like a true fan. And he has the respect for their legacy to do them justice in his own way, to give the fandom what they craved for. More of the same, just done better with modern technology. It is the very essence of what a true to heart hommage should be!

[@BlazingOwnager]

@@nel1962 >The whole show is as close as you can get to an imitation TNG. The difference between homage and rip-off is when you are open about your inspiration and what you create is a clear love letter to it. By that metric Orville is absolutely an homage to TNG with homages to Star Wars. For Christ's sake, mercer literally quotes Star Wars a few times. NuTrek tries to convince you what they are doing is /super cool/ and take credit for it, and are not eager to point those things out. Like the way they rip off the exact shots and look of Iron Man flying; they're not trying to homage Iron Man.

[@dustinherk8124]

@@BlazingOwnager relax, he wasnt rude about his comment, only stating his (wrong) perception of the show's intent. the fact you had to use "for Christ's sake" tells me you took this comment, way too personal. its ok for people to have a differing opinion. that is how this world functions...or at least SHOULD function. as for him being a true fan, yes absolutely. did you see his TOS fan film, from before he even had a drivers license? here's a clip if you missed it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZ_ChJqZrcxohrM it has dead space for the first 9 seconds though.

[@BlazingOwnager]

@@dustinherk8124 I wasn't really targeting that towards the person posting. It was more like just reinforcing how blatantly they wink at the camera and make it clear what they're referencing. So think that was miread. Also that's awesome, I'm totally going to watch that.

[@MarkLLawrence]

That giant quantum core was the best looking large power source in any sci-fi TV or movie in a very long time.

[@axelhopfinger533]

The production quality of the CGI visuals in this episode was off the charts and perhaps even above many big screen Marvel movies today!

[@Sindraug25]

Laughed out loud at Han: May the Force be with you. Mercer: May the Force be with you.

[@axelhopfinger533]

The Force was definitely with McFarlane in this, while Disney and NuTrek are more blessed by the dark side of the farce.

[@LGranthamsHeir]

Talla should've added: "Live long and prosper!" after Ed said his greetings 🖖🖖

[@ReidDesigns]

The Orville continues to be the best SciFi tv I’ve seen since The Expanse.

[@LGranthamsHeir]

"Space....The Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the Starship Orville. Its continuing mission: To continue the sci-fi adventures inspired by Gene Roddenberry's visions. To seek first contacts with strange new aliens and civilizations. To boldly go where no 'Nu Trek' has gone before!"

[@hobbs1701a]

Don't forget For All Mankind! If you haven't seen it, check it out!

[@ReidDesigns]

@@hobbs1701a not to much liking this recent season. Maybe cause they seem to be condensing a lot of time and story to fit the short season format. Also last season seemed to tie in real historical events better …. 🤷‍♂️ but that’s just me probably being nit picky.

[@hobbs1701a]

@@ReidDesigns Honestly, 3rd season has been a little weak

[@ReidDesigns]

@@hobbs1701a weak Orville is still better than the best nuetrek. But yeah, just cause they could do almost 2 hour shows, doesn’t, mean that it works as a long form episode. A lot of fat trimming needed to be done.

[@superzentredi]

Who knew the Orville would become an epic space opera with grand intergalactic politics, war and thousands of ships with massive spacebattles. Seriously, talk about subversion of expectations. Thank you Seth, you have restored my love of Star Trek and Star Wars... Yours!

[@christopherjones5446]

It’s obvious that Seth has respect and admiration for both Trek and Wars. Something the stewards of both IP’s don’t.

[@animatewithdermot]

There's a big difference between 'labour of love' and 'cynical cash grab'. Orville is the former.

[@dustinherk8124]

i mean family guy recreated the original trilogy in their own way, yet still relatively respecting the source material. and Seth's been a fan of Trek for a long time. even has a TOS fan film out there, from before he even had a drivers license. want to see a clip of it? kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZ_ChJqZrcxohrM just be aware it has 9 seconds of nothing at the start. give it a brief chance.

[@RokkitGrrl]

That's just it, though. They're not even behaving like stewards. They're just re-writing things under the pretense of making them relevant and contemporary but what they're actually doing is leaving their muddy boot prints all over the franchises so they can say, "I made this."

[@kd8bxp]

Was going to say almost the same thing....

[@999benhonda]

The only thing in the Orville I don't care for is how ships fly. I always preferred how they moved and fought in old trek, like they were massive starships (voyager and defiant being exceptions) But, at least in the Orville, the fast flying and shooting action scenes can be followed...in Nutrek, the actions is so over-the-top that you can't even follow it all.

[@LGranthamsHeir]

0:17 Han Solo: "May the force be with you!!" Narrator: "Space....The Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the Starship Orville. Its continuing mission: To continue the sci-fi adventures inspired by Gene Roddenberry's visions. To seek first contacts with strange new aliens and civilizations. To boldly go where no 'Nu Trek' has gone before!"

[@captainspire9094]

Even thought DS9 took several elements from Babylon 5, the two made for compelling and dynamic shows with characters and plot we loved. Orville is just showing us the difference between copying and making it enjoyable rather than stealing and saying they're original.

[@draco-amercon]

I would say what Seth MacFarlane is doing with the Orville is more of an homage to the things he loves. in comparison to JJ Abrams and kurtzman which is to mock fiction for which they're incapable of recreating and or even imitating.

[@captainspire9094]

@@draco-amercon I agree. It's a difference in respect and tipping a hat to rather than bastardizing an existing franchise.

[@BlazingOwnager]

As far as I can tell after hearing SFDebris go in depth on the "Did DS9 rip off B5?" it sounds like essentially DS9 is an odd case of "What happened if you told the same idea pitch to two entirely different creative teams?" The same seed idea branched off in wildly differing directions.

[@captainspire9094]

@@BlazingOwnager Deep space nine also took stories from MASH, and two other long running tv series.

[@BlazingOwnager]

@@captainspire9094 As someone who's watched both MASH and DS9 entirely through, I'm unsure which stories you're talking about other than some common themes like war being hell.

[@revolutionevolution8571]

You could also see some similarities between Charly's sacrifice in an explosion and the ending of Rogue One.

[@BunBun299]

The guy behind Family Guy and American Dad is not only doing better Star Trek than official Star Trek, he's doing better Star Wars than official Star Wars.

[@juniorjr.]

Off topic, but just want to pay respects to Nichelle Nichols. RIP

[@williamcasino8120]

Seth is so obviously a huge Star Wars fan.

[@e4unow421]

*cough* Blue Harvest, Something Something Something Darkside and It's a trap.

[@BallisticAviation]

I like how they threw in a little Top Gun too!

[@StevenHouse1980]

Yes logical tactical similarities, given the narrative requirements.

[@LaughingMan2GIG]

Last episode had trench runs, death stars, fighter fights, jabbas palace. It was great

[@darkleome5409]

Star wars didn't invent the idea of fighter/bomber assault on an enemy base though

[@BlazingOwnager]

Don't forget that Star Wars pretty much shot for shotted movies from the 50s, from Samurai films to WW2 ones, to create it's most classic sequences.

[@ValiantWrestling]

@@BlazingOwnager Pretty sure the trench run was ripped off from The Dam Busters.

[@BlazingOwnager]

@@ValiantWrestling Ah, I couldn't remember the name but that is absolutely correct. :)

[@Vipre-]

@@ValiantWrestling Yeah that was absolutely confirmed. It's almost shot for shot.

[@LGranthamsHeir]

4:47 - 4:52 "The needs of the many outweight the needs of the few...or of one!!" #RIPCharlyBurke

[@EcchiRevenge]

Now this is pod racing.

[@joserubenrodriguezfuentes]

Seth Is a Great Sci-fi Geek....

[@jonathanmyers2867]

"I'm here, Amanda."

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

It didn't go in. That's what she said. 🙃

[@descendinguniverse]

There`s also a slight similarity to Babylon 5 as Union cruisers are very maneuverable, like Whitestar class, in Star Trek similar size vessels were not Also Kaylon ships look like Hal 9000 from Space Odyssey 2001

[@sarahdemarcus7710]

Seems related to Juno, The Orville. Great video. 🙂

[@sargon6000]

I think the whole hexagon structure on the planet was taken from The Force Awakens... which was of course taken from ANH. Probably trying to appeal to the people that saw TFA first.

[@CaptainPositron]

2:51 That's from the Star Trek 5 sound track!

[@Homeschoolsw6]

rad. The Orville trailers had a line lifted directly from Galaxy Quest..." Give me the device or I will destroy your ship. " but season 1 was OK.

[@yw1971]

The Orville quite did it

[@jeremygeorgia4943]

It's not that surprising. Every time they said a slogan, like, "May the Force be with you", "I've got a bad feeling, etc.", I knew why it was there & who it was "Brought to you by". I also knew that if Orville had been on the other side of the Disney association, they would likely be in trouble for using all the references. I really can't blame them for leveraging their properties, and in this case, it's kinda cool they can do that, since it's the Orville. Personally, I think The Orville is worthy of wielding a bit of Star Wars' clout. It's a fun show.

[@dstu322]

Seth has never been original, family guy was just a copy of the Simpsons with edgier content and faster timing. Oroville is his homage to his favorite Sci fi, he is really good at combining all of the borrowed components into a good story.

[@BlazingOwnager]

Family Guy really is not like the Simpsons whatsoever in structure (it's worse). American Dad is absolutely nothing like Family Guy OR The Simpsons, and is arguably the best MacFarlane animated show.

[@axelhopfinger533]

He simply made his own Star Trek Wars with blackjack and hookers. And he did good.

[@shinichifarkas8051]

What another incredible episode/movie from Orville!

[@ShamrockParticle]

Homage is one thing, but the Orville scenes seem to be drawn out and don't have any tension that hasn't been done before, if not arguably done better? How many ships could the planetary union create in such a short span of time? And in sepia-tone with teal highlights? And not being hit by so many computer-guided turrets...

[@valueofnothing2487]

Jammer's review also agrees. He likes the first half, but I thought it really didn't amount to much.

[@sameaston9587]

Missed the bit where Claire called herself Obi-wan. s1e2

[@ConMag-Fhionnghaile]

George Lucas ripped off B-Movies of the 50s and 60s, and Star Trek, had Battlestar Galactica and BSG 80 cancelled, tried to stop Star Trek TMP, TNG and went after anything with space battles in it because he invented and owned the concept.

[@AllioNeo]

Orville is a comedy, the homage is obvious and intentional.

[@batmanuel9669]

Not "May the Schwartz be with you"? Missed opportunity for two references in one. 😄

[@crozraven]

The Orville did a much better Star Trek & Star Wars than actual (woke) Star Trek & Star Wars.

[@jollybee3432]

I know things are bad when I 100% agree to this

[@ValiantWrestling]

*than.

[@danielbonzaibuckerooo]

😂 they’re both very “Woke” one is just more subtle and has more Tact , than the other..

[@axelhopfinger533]

@@danielbonzaibuckerooo True. But goes to show how far tact and subtlety can go if they are embedded into actual talented writing and honest showmanship. Disney Wars and NuTrek are as subtle with their wokeness as a shotgun blast to the face, unobstructed by any real talent or respect for the legacy of the franchises they co-opted.

[@danielbonzaibuckerooo]

@@axelhopfinger533 yeah it’s more of a natural Wokeness

[@stopgeorge]

More Star Wars than Star Trek lately with The Orville.

[@danielbonzaibuckerooo]

Yea I was thinking the same ..

[@greenmachine949]

I'm still sad Charlie died in that one.😭

[@Vipre-]

That's how you crib properly.

[@theonyxknightknightmaster3792]

I loved this clip

[@rockbottom2822]

So much CGI collateral damage...

[@BoxxyFan]

Boomers when Orville copies off Star Wars: OMG that was so EPIC they referenced that thing that I know!!! Boomers when Star Trek has a similar scene to Star Wars: **TRIGGERED**

[@MedalionDS9]

Homages/references are only ok if we like the show

[@jjkrayenhagen]

I've kind of started to dislike the Orville's space battles. There doesn't seem to be any sense of tactical progression at all. It's just ships blowing up and other ships flying around while ships blow up. No formations, no rallies, no counters other than the 'cavalry' showing up to join the giant furball. Also we don't get any sense of what any ships are really capable of. I want to see a leviathan class actually do something other than blow up. Also, also. If you wanna compare something to Star Wars, compare Farscape: The Peacekeeper Wars space battles.

[@OldManPaxusYT]

red fat standing by

[@patrickoconnor5494]

I've always known too 😂

[@arthurlin0702]

If Lucasfilm bought Orville they should do an episode where Orville and star wars crossover

[@michaelnigrelli4902]

Its possible because of the worm holes in the show but unlikely buuuuut Disney might do it one day

[@shatterscape]

I think its a homage or a parody or something else

[@christophermcmanus5103]

The only thing I am not keen on with The Orville is the score. It's still very 80s overly dramatic & feels out of place in a modern show with the style & visuals it has

[@dreadfulspiller8766]

I think it's intentional .

[@baahcusegamer4530]

Homage is nice Orville, but when are you going to bring something new to the table?

[@BlazingOwnager]

You haven't watched the 3rd season if you think that's the case. That's sort of the problem with these videos showing up on this channel; usually it's roasting the show in question, but I think Grin quite likes Orville and this season is straight fire.

[@bobgraham2143]

Damn, that is some lazy ass writing. Of course the SFX are better than 45 years ago when I saw Star Wars in a theater. SMH

[@ValiantWrestling]

I'd say that cannyon chase was far better than the shitty podrace, but then I just detest the prequels as much as the disney sequels.