The panel debates whether Toby should be banned & what it means for the game - Sunday Footy Show

Is Toby Greene in hot water for this collision with Jordan Boyd?
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[@stevegoulding1613]

The side on slow motion view showed Toby turn his body early and brace on the way up. He made that choice which is what all the new rule is about. This is the same panel that wanted De Goey’s head on a platter and was calling for up to eight weeks. Now they’re saying maybe one for the same thing ??

[@richardbehan8118]

What happens if Toby does what Lloydy suggests "drive in with the knee"?

[@stevegoulding1613]

@@richardbehan8118 Well apparently that’s Legal and so was Toby’s flying karate kick to the head years ago

[@CairnsMotorhomes]

The ball hit Toby on the shoulder! All he had to do was mark the ball, (or try to!), instead of turning side on and putting his shoulder into the oncoming player. A genuine contest for the ball should never result in a suspension, given that footy is a collision game but if you focus on the opposition player and not the ball then you get what you deserve.

[@richardbehan8118]

The player running with the flight of the ball needs to pull out of the contest.

[@CairnsMotorhomes]

@@richardbehan8118 why? That's never been a rule in footy and if it was, we would have lost some of the greatest marks ever taken. The key is that both players need to make the ball their objective.

[@Silent_But_Deadly]

​@@CairnsMotorhomesAbsolutely. It's so simple now but people are having a hard time understanding it. If you're genuinely going for the mark and your eyes are on the ball then you'll be fine. They're only trying to get rid of dangerous bumps, not turn it into a non contact sport lol

[@pretzelwagonn]

bit weird from brown saying cripps “wound back the clock”. he’s 29, not 35. got lots of good footy left in him.

[@richardbehan8118]

And it was last year that he was playing like he is now. Brown is a halfwit.

[@iankearns774]

The good thing is with Hewitt, Cerra, Walsh, Kennedy, Carroll etc all running through the midfield that he no longer has to do it all himself, Pitto and TDK at times behave like midfielders themselves. We are still only playing at 80-90% I reckon, we lacked belief last year but its there now, I have just lifted the lid slightly as there still is a long way to go but I think we have the goods to be hard to beat for quite a few years. Got a very good list.

[@josephpedley308]

I think he was referring to the couple seasons ago where that kind of stat line was his usual but due to injury it hasn't occurred as often.l

[@aidanthomas2510]

I hate to say it because normally I would be in the protecting yourself corner. But Toby has had far too many incidents like this and got off more or less scot free on almost all of them.

[@richardbehan8118]

That's bs.

[@kswa-th7vr]

You're off your head 😂

[@stuartmarshall7099]

Idiot

[@benmatthews8824]

you idiot

[@nedcassidy5320]

kane cornes is 100 percent right as a neutral and toby greenes history i think he gets 3

[@tristianwood4859]

I honestly do not understand how people say he ‘chose to brace’ rather than contest the mark. Anyone who has played football knows if you’re going for the mark with the eyes on the ball and someone hits your eye sight last second and is coming back towards you, the brains natural instinct is to brace within milliseconds so you don’t get hurt yourself. If you are punishing a player for a natural human instinct when they are genuinely playing the game and contesting the ball then the AFL are starting to ruin our game. There needs to be a point in time when players accept and understand the risks that come with playing footy in terms of possible brain injuries. I’m all for the AFL protecting the player and having player safety as a number 1 concern but it’s going too far. Coming from a Carlton supporter as well

[@MrHoundDoug]

There have always been players who have been good at protecting themselves from opposition players heads. The AFL seems prepared to punish a few accidental contacts to also punish the deliberate head contracts.

[@stuartmarshall7099]

Spot on and well said

[@shadowwarrior7218]

4wks for Green

[@hipsterrob3591]

Clear intent to injure a player in the air from a player with a track record of trying to injure players. The only thing that's hard about being Toby is working out when to stop digging your own grave.

[@danfedsadventures2997]

Not having a go, but he was running at the ball to mark, then the oppo comes in to attack the footy from the side. What should Greene actually do, go for the ball and hurt himself and potentially the the oppo? You can't look at it in slow mo, it was literally 1 second if that where he had to make a decision or pull out of the contest. If it's pull out of the consent what is the point of going for marks, might as well just handball and grubber kick along the ground. Same with Peter wright. Totally for protecting the head, but remember this is a contact sport. Just my opinion

[@owenbarnes773]

🤣🤣🤣 ... do you REALLY think if he was trying to injure a player he couldn't ??? there is evidence to the contrary

[@hnorth5205]

@@danfedsadventures2997 literally any movement outside putting all your weight and force into your shoulder would have been less dangerous. If you play you know he had time to react better. Why do people act like every body part (including the head) is so dangerous to land into yet hand no problem with someone sprinting and then launching their shoulder into someone's head?

[@richardbehan8118]

​@@hnorth5205you are right. He should have put his knee out and no injury would have come of that hit lol get a clue

[@hnorth5205]

@@richardbehan8118 fair, the one movement more dangerous than what he did would be to drive his knee into his kidneys. Doesn't really make what he did right champ

[@Littleyeti7]

I think what should be a factor is which team has the ball and who is the intended target. With the Peter Wright one for example, it was the Bombers moving the ball, the kick was going to hit Wright in the chest, if a defending player wants to step in the path to disrupt a play it’s at their own risk and the duty of care is on them to go at that ball safely.

[@endzhere1638]

Lloyd's 100% correct. Go for the mark but raise your knee to defend yourself. Kinda crazy to say but a flying knee is perfectly fine if your trying to mark the ball.

[@richardbehan8118]

Until players start actually doing it and people start breaking ribs and puncturing lungs or losing kidneys.

[@endzhere1638]

@@richardbehan8118 That will happen for sure. And then the afl will put a stop to that, and soon you won't be able to protect yourself at all and concussions will be at an all time high. The AFL is a joke and run the same as a city council.

[@AshBhang2010]

Peter Wright went for the ball and got weeks. . Toby jumped at the man - nuff said .. .

[@Jamie_one_of_many_prophets]

Suspension shouldn’t be based on concussive outcome. Toby didn’t go for the ball. A precedent has been set.

[@conorclements5381]

hard to argue wright was going for the ball when his arms weren't outstretched at any point in an attempt to mark. he was always going to be late to that contest and we've established now that you can't protect yourself at the expense of someone who's got to a contest before you - i.e. same as toby. agree that we shouldn't be suspending based on outcome though...

[@Jamie_one_of_many_prophets]

@@conorclements5381 Powell-Pepper was suspended for 4 games because he elected to bump with a split second decision Toby braced for impact which collected the opposing player high. You could argue it wasn’t intentional but the vast majority of suspensions aren’t deliberate. The AFL is consistently inconsistent when it comes to suspensions.

[@conorclements5381]

@@Jamie_one_of_many_prophets agreed it's really stupid

[@richardbehan8118]

I love how the "experts" say "he should put his knee out and contest the ball" lol ok thats fair, but what is the result of a knee in the ribs? The player running with the flight of the ball needs to have some accountability. The AFL is fried at the moment.

[@CIROBEAR]

The guy running backwards has a responsibility for him self too. If it was 2 players on the same team, its called an accident, yet one could b concussed. If toby doesn't brace then we have 2 concussions on the field...the flying for the ball has been in our game for ever. The banana running back blind is the issue.

[@jakecampbell3335]

I played 1 season of seniors football and when i was 25 and im 31 now. I suffered 5 concussions in that season. 2 in back to back weeks. The first concussion was the worst cause in a tackle someone head collided with my nose and blood was everywhere. I ran off got banaged and kept playing. Wasnt till after the game where i lost all feeling in my legs and started vomiting everywhere There was no concussion test done even though it was mandatory and no ambulance was called. I got driven home in my car

[@hnorth5205]

Sorry to hear man. Some guys just play to hurt people. People saying "it's destroying the game" don't realise that it starts from the top down. If the AFL takes safety into more consideration like it's trying to, maybe less 18yo players will have racked up 8+ concussions before they can even get paid

[@jakecampbell3335]

@@hnorth5205 it was my 1st and only season playing. I was playing 'b' grade and filling in for 'a' grade cause I could run all game without needing to be subbed out.

[@Nes924]

Some people are unlucky and some lucky, 25 years playing afl, senior afl by age 16, and 28 now. Not a single concussion, that’s really unlucky man!

[@buckleupbuckeroo]

The two who never played AFL think that Toby Green has no time to think. Garbage. He knows exactly what he's doing. 1 week suspension

[@bkozican]

This 100%. Media acts like players are dumb, he knows exactly what he is doing

[@bobbanks8525]

Think of it in cricket terms, if you're facing a fast bowler you have MS to react not seconds. But nah they can't hit the ball not enough time to think.

[@tigers456]

It is always based on outcome. If a small guy strikes a big guy there is no damage, maybe a week. If it is the other way around, there will be damage, penalty will be worse. HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE. Green has a duty of care when the guy is open like that.

[@mightyblues7]

4 weeks fair

[@civilizedsavage360]

Should be weeks, plural.

[@AussieOutlaw]

This Game is DONE . Even when someone puts on a simple tackle the guy can rotate 360 dgrees when held and still get it off and NO Free kick for being caught in posession. Whats the point in tackling ????

[@aussieintexas61]

ive written about being frustrated with the standing tackle also. players dont even make believe they are trying to handball or get it out anymore. ping them holding the ball or let me fling him to the ground to disposes him.....

[@tomrowe372]

It's a absolute effing joke of a game ATM the sooner this never was or will be flog of a guy M Christian is gone, the actual man's sport of AFL may and I mean May start coming back

[@AussieOutlaw]

@@aussieintexas61 Or you go down and tackled and 3 Players are sitting on your Back waiting for a Ball Up, When was it decided that you can be on top of my back at anytime ?? AFL is a Joke

[@stavio12]

@@AussieOutlawI've had the same beef for years now. The umpire should blow the whistle straightaway when a player is being tackled does a 360 still holding the ball and still looking for an option. It's frustrating to watch, that is holding the ball all day, every day.

[@Rowsy91]

As a newbie watching from Canada the past, maybe 5-6 years intently, one complaint I’ve always had is they seem VERY hesitant to pay out tackles I’ve always attributed it to me just not fully understanding the rules/what must happen for it to be a free kick after a tackle, but I swear I watch full on tackles from behind ball pop out and no free kick

[@elpadre4202]

Either go for a spoil or go for a mark. If it's intentional or not it ends up being a dangerous high tackle.

[@daniello9155]

The player going for the ball is in the most vulnerable position therefore should be protected at all costs. The potential for serious injury is very high. Maynard should have got 4 to 6 weeks, Green should get 4 weeks.

[@richardbehan8118]

LOVE TJ!

[@AlexSmith-gr4hp]

We need rules based on actions and outcomes, not player reputation, favourite teams and sentimentalism. Toby was reckless but there was little in it, he didn’t come at the player head on and the player was not concussed. But the rules are such that if you leave the ground and elect to bump it gets something, unless it’s a Collingwood player going into a grand final.

[@stevegoulding1613]

I had that same thought, “ the de goey bump “ was headline news and everyone wanted his head on a plate.

[@michaelmcclure3383]

Toby got taken out of the game by Boyd, I'm sure he had no intent to hurt him...

[@x1800Gipsie]

I've been saying touch football for years, the only way to get around this. Days of hard tough football are behind us

[@NeilBriggs-mz9uu]

He deserves 2 weeks, he’s got a track record, this Toby Greene your a grub

[@Littleyeti7]

To be fair and equal based on their actions, he should get 4 weeks like Peter Wright. Toby seemed to be more intent, Wright just bigger body caused more damage

[@simonskoczek2468]

Youve got to remain committed to the mark, if you choose to go you have to commit. It's simple.

[@stuartmarshall7099]

And get broken ribs?

[@Sabracad]

Greene braced much earlier than Wright as he was never in the marking contest. Despite pulling out of the marking action earlier his contact had much more of a direct impact to the head as opposed to a glancing blow. How he could possibly end up with a lesser suspension is beyond me. Outcomes cannot form the key part of the decision process as there are too many factors to consider - relative size, relative speed, luck etc etc.

[@StuTheDon17]

Yeah well everyone better get used to these debates. We currently have a woman who has never kicked a football, dictating which football acts warrant suspension and those that don't. It's like if I had a job in fashion in Milan. I'll inevitably mess it up because I have no idea what I'm doing.

[@pete89111]

Yep, Laura Kane is ruining the AFL

[@noelballantine358]

And even saying that you will be labelled an ist

[@carletonclements4931]

"We have to move." No, we don't. A.F.L. is wrong. We're not moving our line on what's right.

[@TheBinaryWolf]

What a load of cr-p from those who make an excuse for slamming a shoulder or elbow into an opponent's head. Anyone who has played football will agree with Cornes that a head slam is avoidable. Just tackle the opponent to spoil the mark. Of course, ignorant people who have never played the game with training will disagree.

[@richardsuter2816]

Toby has proven time & time again just how low a individual can go

[@DavesThePartyGuy01]

Are we going to devolve into a game where you can run backwards into traffic with no care of your own self and make the players who lead get out of your way because you're running with the flight. Pish Posh, the Carlton player knew the risk and Green changed from a chest mark to a brace in a quarter second seeing the oncoming the impact.

[@hnorth5205]

Sprinting late to a contest and putting all your weight into your shoulder without going for a mark isn't "bracing" yourself. Plus bracing like that should be reserved for someone running at you rather than the opposite

[@CIROBEAR]

He wasn't late. I'm carlton through and through but I agree with this comment

[@morsrom156]

@@hnorth5205 Lol at being "late" to the contest.

[@hnorth5205]

@@CIROBEAR if he wasn't late then why didn't he attempt to mark the ball? Half a second late is still late and you know when you're running if you'll make it or not. He made the charge so he's got a responsibility to the player he's charging directly at to brace with both of their safety in mine. Legit wouldn't have even hurt himself even if he didn't brace like that

[@CIROBEAR]

@hnorth5205 Mate, mate...MATE!!!! UR NORMAL REACTION IS TO BRACE LAST SECOND HE HAD TO BRACE. HIS EYES WERE ON THE BALL. ANSWER ME THIS. IF THE OTHER GUY WASN'T THERE WOULD HE HAVE MARKED THAT BALL?????? YES HE WOULD OF, SO GOOD TIMING TOWARDS THE FOOTY DOESnT MEAN LATE AND EYES ON THE BALL MEANS HE NEVER SEEN THE OTHER GUY WHO, MIND YOU HAD ZERO CARE FACTOR FOR HIM SELF .

[@chippab1407]

I'm a Carlton man if green goes the AFL is done to me

[@StuTheDon17]

The game started to go downhill back in 2018 when Nic Nat was suspended for laying a perfect tackle on a smaller opponent. Despite the tackle being awarded a free kick for holding the ball and West Coast scoring from it, Nic Nat was suspended because his perfect tackle knocked his small Port opponent out. The tribunal literally said Nic Nat had to be aware of how much bigger he is than some of the smaller guys on the ground. That was when my interest in this game dropped off. I still watch a couple of games a week, but not every game like I used to.

[@stavio12]

@@StuTheDon17If you're on the field with the big boys in a professional sport then you're fair game I say. Big guy vs small guy rubbish that the AFL is dishing out is crap.

[@jimmyriddle5246]

I used to watch every game, every week. Now it's just the occasional game if it's on tv when I'm at the pub. Amateur footy for me these days, much more enjoyable and no political sh!t.

[@scottwalker2038]

Can’t believe this i would rather cope a shoulder than a knee

[@worshaka]

No it doesn't look pretty good, its why I (for one) stopped watching AFL. The reason the players take their 'eyes off the ball and brace for impact' is because we all have an ingrained reflex to protect ourselves. These players don't brace from a conscious decision, they do it instinctively. I know, I played AFL and other sports, you have split moments to make a choice. You are trying to calculate your speed, the position of the ball, the opponent and make a choice to go or not go. You get it wrong sometimes and when you do, you're just a fraction of a moment behind and you instinctively protect yourself. The people who are able to override that instinct, say Jonathon Brown, are the exception. It's remarkable to witness those players be so brave but look what it gets them long term. Their is a fine line between bravery and stupidity.

[@camerondeans9056]

Asking players to continue contesting the mark is asking them to fight natural instinct with only nanoseconds available to them. Ultimately, that will only lead to players just not contesting the ball. Sounds great 🙄

[@buckets4518]

If Wright got weeks so does Toby 🤷‍♂️

[@dunes1011]

There was no concussion here. Boyd got straight back up and played out the rest of the game. That will be the differing factor in the length of suspension

[@Peter-hb9bm]

Tj is the only bloke who makes some sense..

[@apower72]

OF COURSE ITS OUTCOME BASED!..If you punched someone in a pub and they weren't knocked out compared to the same act but you do knock them out or worse then your penalty for the same act is greater. Both these examples the players could have gone for the ball and tried to mark it. HOWEVER, is there a discuission that needs to be had on players running back with the flight? should the player coming towards the ball have right of way?

[@Henry-vs6wm]

Get off the gear Lordo and Kane. Don't make Chompers the lone voice of reason on the panel.

[@eponymous7910]

He'll get two weeks but is only milliseconds late, if it was Nick Daicos I suspect he'd just receive a fine

[@StuTheDon17]

Nick is a good bloke. Like Charlie Cameron, that matters.

[@short_macchiato3222]

I’m trying to find my violin for you

[@tb7667]

Greene knew exactly what he was doing. Maynard was the same with Brayshaw. Historically it has been an acceptable act, but it isn't anymore. It's probably marginally worth a week, but probably just a fine.

[@civilizedsavage360]

Compare this with Fogartys challenge on Nat Fyfe. Fogarty was clearly making an attempt on the ball, with the result that he injured himself because his focus was the ball. Greene had time to choose to protect himself at the expense of Boyd. Greene should get WEEKS. Kingsley should get a couple as well for his post game comments, maggot.

[@iankearns774]

Nup, and I am a Carlton supporter. I agree Fogarty should have got off and so should Toby have, pretty sure your local club has a netball team you can watch if you are concerned with men behaving as men. Not much in it and he took his free kick.

[@civilizedsavage360]

@@iankearns774 Netball? Never heard of it. If you think Greene couldnt have contested the ball then his brain must run a slow as yours. Oh and Im a Carlton supporter as you seem to think it a qualification of some importance.

[@iankearns774]

@@civilizedsavage360 Less than half a second to make that decision, its only a qualification of importance to show my lack of bias. I would rather see that stuff stay in the game, Plowmans head clash with O'Meara three years ago got him two matches. I supposed you "nettie" supporters would agree with that as well?

[@civilizedsavage360]

@@iankearns774 Whats a "nettie"? Still struggling with reading comprehension from grade 3? Too many "marking contests" with Toby Id guess.

[@iankearns774]

@@civilizedsavage360 Nettie is what the girls call netball, you should know that. I only know that because thats what my wife calls it.

[@user-fb7qu8lu7s]

Toby Green was way too high to contest that ball, and took his eyes off the ball.

[@johnjames1401]

Oh boy Kane

[@stuartmarshall7099]

If you put yourself in the hole then you better be ready for a crunch

[@McWhatevs]

I don't understand how f'n difficult this is. If you're second to the ball, then like it loathe it, you can leave the ground to contest it. Pure and simple.

[@richardbehan8118]

Players running with the flight of the ball need to take some accountability..

[@martyzocc1380]

Just get Eddie betts to say he is a good bloke

[@dashman13]

Bloke geta palmed the the face off ball and they say "did he hit him".... Then during play the problem is they went the ball and there was contact. We can't blame the AFL for this kind of commentary. It's absolutely brainless at times.

[@macetaylor409]

Why does Toby greene always do it on accident and get straight back up in the same stride, must be intentional then

[@chriscoyne4827]

Toby green will be definitely gone will get 4 week's easy

[@donaldthomson8965]

tobys headon not as bad as coollingwood's scotts head on clash that ended a player ever playing again that got nothing and was worth 6 weeks

[@williamporter2867]

Time to change the ball to a round ball and introduce a 5 foul system alternatively swap shorts for skirts.

[@markwhelan9887]

Tbh I dont even watch football anymore because a once great game is now a pansey sport that is a step away from net ball its sad.

[@donaldthomson8965]

toby should be playing for coollingwood then every thing is ok

[@Swolcoq]

The comments are hilarious 😂 absolutely no idea

[@matrixfire]

The Greene one was worse as he was never in the marking contest. It needs to be based on action and not outcome.

[@richardbehan8118]

He was running at the ball. The player running with the flight needs to take accountability for his own safety, not the other way around.

[@Tosicc567]

Hogan will be banned despite hewett close fist puncing neale in the jaw only getting a fine. Jeremy Cameron did a blatent trip on purpose to Mclugg and got rewarded with a fifty for it, despite that being a suspension not long ago. The league is aboslutely lost the plot atm. Umpiring across the board is the worst I've seen in years

[@daniello9155]

Charlie is untouchable

[@noelballantine358]

Mason Redman got a week for a face slap on that premise Toby Greene could get life what a joke AFL

[@spb81]

should be the same ban as Peter Wright imo

[@kevinrice4887]

NO,toby had his arm tucked in,big petes arm reached out to make head high contact!!!!!

[@MrUrbanbogan]

Can't take the mark then try a tackle

[@stevegoulding1613]

No doubt he’ll get away with it, he got away with a flying karate kick to the head years ago

[@slingblade8963]

Hilarious.. if Toby was wearing an Essendon guernsey they'd be calling for a life ban.

[@Pullyaheadin92]

That’s why we say they went back with courage because the player knows he’s going to back into some some of contact. It’s part of our game and that’s why we love it. It’s a hard, physical and dangerous sport that each and every player knows the risks associated with it. If it’s not a deliberate malicious act to hurt someone in that position fukn play on

[@binks7988]

Sorry thats a week. Go for the mark.

[@JimBob-qh8gl]

Soft. go but get a broken rib or weeks out. a massive shoulder in the face or flat on flat, big difference.

[@Ozvideo1959]

Two weeks.

[@thetwogardens6048]

Toby knew what he was doing . 2-4 weeks holiday for him me thinks !

[@richardbehan8118]

Does the Carlton player not get hurt if Toby " drives with the knee"? What if Toby puts his boot out, studs out?

[@stz024]

Outcome determines punishment action determines guilt. TJ needs to learn the difference

[@richardbehan8118]

What happens if Toby "drives with the knee"?

[@bluesfor]

What a soft code AFL has become if you get a week for that.

[@bradantcliff740]

It’s becoming a non contact sport. This how we get to the 80/90’s futuristic sci fi movies where prison inmates fight each other to the death.

[@Dude-etiquette]

Toby has and will always be a dirty player. He goes for cheap shots all the time.

[@davidbarlow6860]

Yep. Disgusting tactics by toby, should get weeks for charging.

[@stavio12]

Bet you'd love to have him in your team though. I know I would.

[@slingblade8963]

No wonder where I live, in NRL country, everyone thinks AFL is soft. I can't argue with them..

[@reformedcatholic457]

It's only "soft" due to the duty of care for the players well being receiving concussion to the brain. Footy has changed sadly, and no one likes it and neither do I but it's for the best.

[@slingblade8963]

@reformedcatholic457 mate.. duty of care is one thing. The way high tackles are paid, a slight tap on the shoulder being a free kick is another. Just common sense stuff that would end the Ginnivan type free kicks. Duty of care won't end here either. Knees on the back and head in a marking contest.. you should switch to netball now, bud.

[@moregoldmoregold]

Toby is a gun

[@electronwave4551]

My comment got deleted for being too logical. Crappy behavior by the censors.

[@wiselistener4978]

4 weeks just like Peter Wright and 1 week for Hogan just like Redman. Fairs fair.

[@richardbehan8118]

Weight should have never been suspended

[@crazychips123]

Of course then 2 people who didn’t play footy have no clue what their on about.

[@crazychips123]

He turned and braced and took his eyes off the ball it’s that simple.

[@sacredcowpictures8959]

Toby has nothing to answer for this time. No lifted knee, or any intent to damage

[@worker-wf2em]

Peter Wright only had eyes on his opponent to take him out. Greene at least was watching the ball all the way to the point of contact. No comparison between the two

[@dansharp2860]

What the hell did you watch. He isn't attempting to mark the ball at all. He could have had his hands out going for it. He's turned and braced for impact at the point of contact. The ball bounces off Greene's shoulder. If there is any justice for Wright he's in massive trouble and should get at least 2 weeks but it will be 1 at most because Toby got lucky and didn't cause a concussion.

[@worker-wf2em]

Correct. He’s braced at the point of impact. Eyes on the ball. Wright was lining his opponent up before the point of impact

[@dansharp2860]

@@worker-wf2em No, Greene did exactly what Wright did. Greene's eyes were no where near the ball as he had his head turned at the point of impact. Seriously, what vision are you watching? Greene was in a better position to mark the ball as it came of his shoulder. He was never going for the mark. Even in slow-mo Wright's eyes stay on the ball until the final millisecond when he only has to slightly turn to get side on. Greene turns 90 degrees.

[@worker-wf2em]

Not what I saw but hey, agree to disagree I guess

[@seanlynch1185]

Watching the game live i thought that ball was Toby's to go for.. and I was surprised the other player got their in time. Toby isn't responsible.

[@onebigadvocado6376]

Jesus. If Toby Greene's suspended, then we may as well pack it up and go home. That's a joke.

[@solidsnake1724]

The sport has gone absolutely soft. Players can’t even go for the ball anymore. Collisions will happen, it’s a contact sport.

[@Rowsy91]

You can tell who used to play and who didn’t

[@richardbehan8118]

Really? Cos it seems like the ex- players have no idea

[@craigharris7236]

I hate Toby ...but really ? Now we reward players for going , FRONT ON against the player going for the mark ??

[@andrewbantick6311]

Neither player attempted to go for the footy to start with

[@jessewise6449]

Huh? Go back and watch it mate

[@andrewbantick6311]

@@jessewise6449 I did that’s why I made the comment

[@jessewise6449]

@@andrewbantick6311 not well enough then

[@andrewbantick6311]

@@jessewise6449 😂😂

[@Harve955]

Its ridiculous that a player can be in the air, totally committed to the mark with his eyes firmly on the ball until the last split second when he realises that a potentially damaging collision is unavoidable and be at fault for protecting himself from serious injury. Cornes shows himself to be an idiot once again. Make yourself vulnerable to injury rather than your opponent because he put himself at risk? Sheer stupidity and also irresponsible when you consider his obligations to himself, his club and family to stay safe and healthy. Essendon supporter here who thinks Lyoyd is blind.

[@TheBinaryWolf]

Watch the replay, Toby decided to use his shoulder BEFORE jumping. I think you simply like to see a fellow human suffer a potentially life-threatening injury. TBI can leave one with permanent disabikity, even paralysis. If you like to see head trauma, watch boxing.

[@StuTheDon17]

I think Kane was being a little coy in what he was saying and pointing out how ridiculous the rules are now. By saying a player had to leave himself vulnerable in the contest is him attempting to point out how stupid the game is. I've heard him talk on this subject on SEN and he hates it as much of the rest of us.

[@Harve955]

@@TheBinaryWolf rubbish

[@TheBinaryWolf]

@@Harve955 Sorry that I cannot agree with you; for if I did then we would both be wrong. A class in basic physics would help.

[@TheBinaryWolf]

@@StuTheDon17 How was Toby vulnerable by charging his opponent? If he had a more sportsman-like character, he could have tackled him. Toby has a history of sociopathic behaviour, and he makes no apology for it when interviewed. You don't see the likes of Bentempelli and Cripps stoop to such behaviour.

[@markmccullagh7539]

toby turned to protect himself. if you can't see that then your just as bad as the afl. over the years i have invested thousands of dollars into this game as a spectator. i'm drawing my personal line in the sand. i'm done. i'm now spending my hard earned money elsewhere. go woke go broke.

[@paulkyriakopoulos3444]

Agree bro you are 100 %correct

[@jessewise6449]

"I'm trying to protect people" "You're woke" 😂 Dude C'mon that's the worst part of your argument and you know it.

[@pete89111]

Wokeness + Laura Kane ruining the AFL

[@ryanmcdonnell665]

Cya later then

[@hnorth5205]

You can argue accidents happen but turning to protect yourself is always the dumbest response to this stuff. He saw the man at the mark, sprinted in knowing exactly where he was in his peripheral, then put all of his force into his shoulder into another player's head. People act like someone's head is a sledgehammer that you need all your force in your shoulder to protect yourself against. He was late to the contest, its on him what happens. Ironically if he'd lifted his fist to punch Boyde to "protect" himself, Boyde wouldve received less blunt force to his head. If he were actually protecting himself he would've used his hands ti push not his shoulder. Its someone's head

[@timwalsh2983]

If Toby Greene misses it’s lost the plot Joke

[@thebops4180]

Toby is a FLOG. Will be suspended . . .

[@gondwanatravels8834]

It’ll soon be woke football🥲

[@jackwaite4035]

Never forget that Matthew Lloyd retired because he levelled a Hawthorn player off the ball and was afraid of retaliation, biggest hypocrite in the media.

[@Anfa18]

you should look up his statements regarding the incident

[@Bloodynine606]

Lol only hawthorn fans believe this lie 😂

[@moregoldmoregold]

Cats will absolutely smash the blues

[@aussieintexas61]

not at the g.

[@chriscoyne4827]

​@@aussieintexas61 Can't see blues winning at all

[@paulkyriakopoulos3444]

Cats will smash the blues. 😊

[@moregoldmoregold]

@@aussieintexas61 lol cats only won all their Finals games there 20 months ago. And dominated the Grand Final. “Naah not at the MCG” … come on . Blues are overrated. Its embarrassing what the cats are about to do to them .. casual 30 point win for the cats

[@taliamason7986]

Without Tom Stewart. No chance. Curnow and Mackay are going to absolutely feast on them.

[@denisfinn6681]

BAN running back with the ball. You are putting yourself in a dangerous situation. It's your responsibility

[@Les_Grossman80]

Please tell me this is a joke?

[@aussieintexas61]

agreed , but the player both players have to have eyes on the ball.

[@Les_Grossman80]

@@aussieintexas61 okay it appears you're both on the spectrum.

[@stuarthancock571]

This is still one thousand miles away from what Maynard did to Brayshaw last year. Toby was late, but it was still a contested mark. Conversely all Brayshaw did was kick the ball whilst wearing head protection and yet Maynard ended his career without penalty. Unbelievable!

[@hnorth5205]

They could've at least suspended Maynard for regular season games the first 4 rounds this season if they didn't want to hurt Pies flag chances. Rather than pretending he did nothing wrong

[@richardbehan8118]

Lol typical Collingwood supporter. Maynard was much later than Toby. Get a clue.

[@hnorth5205]

@@richardbehan8118 dude do you have trouble reading? He's against Maynard and clearly not a Collingwood supporter

[@danielsinclair9072]

@@richardbehan8118 they changed the rule because of it too mate.

[@danielsinclair9072]

ended his career settle down, the 5 prior major concussions and ones that they missed or didnt add dont count? he even got hit hard earlier in that game and they didnt take him off. but all you guys seem blinded to that and just say MAYNAD ENDED MANS CAREER!!!!!.

[@my2cents198]

So if you go for a pack mark and knock someone out with a knee to the back of the head , all good ...but from the front it 3-4 weeks ...joke. If you don't want to get hit...go play soccer or netball. These guys are getting paid up to 900k per season...suck it up...its a contact sport , you know the risks. Would be like an F1 driver complaining he might get hurt in a 300km car crash.