The Peak Of Gen 3 Pokemon: Mt. Battle

[@droomish1]

cowards need to port these games to switch. also I picked chikorita

[@gta71000]

You can get the other 2 as well if you do it 2 more times and do the other challenges

[@greilthelegendaryhero252]

I believe in an interview, Nintendo was asked if they were gonna make remakes? Nintendo pretty much said "LOL NO"

[@whitedragonzerureusu4480]

Chikorita isn’t actually that bad in the these games and can be a pretty good tank

[@rinnnnnnnnnnrinRinOnishi]

@@greilthelegendaryhero252 cause nowadays pokemon company refuses to let gamefreak have its massive creative freedom it had in the past

[@rinnnnnnnnnnrinRinOnishi]

Also cause these games were unique in that it was made by people that knew nothing about pokemon

[@EmeralBookwise]

The fact Mt.Battle actually allowed legendries was my favorite thing, providing an actual purpose in collecting them, unlike every other game in the franchise.

[@calebmon]

You get less poke coupons for using them though which discourages their usage

[@EmeralBookwise]

@@calebmon: Discourages, yes, but doesn't outright ban and that's an important distinction.

[@babypuppy]

black tower in black 2 is like similar. I loved the vibe of everyone battling to make money and npcs wondering about the designers of the tower

[@droomish1]

BLACK TOWER GOES SO HARD you just wretched a memory out of my mind

[@decarabiaumbra560]

The White Tree Hollow was like that too. It's mystery was a little grand, inexplicable tree dungeon sprouts in the middle of town after only two years of growth. It was however far easier due to the presence of chansey trainers and difficulty mode that unlocks for white 2 being the "easy" mode.

[@rikleons3984]

i once lost on battle 100 to the guy who has claydol and pinsir. double earthquake plus double crit. i was devastated but i had covid and nothing else to do so i did all 100 battles again lol

[@droomish1]

you are the bravest warrior

[@MariahXxXhairaM]

did you win the 2nd time?

[@Will-uv9kx]

​@@MariahXxXhairaMsome say he's still on battle 100 to this day

[@prodigiousbeet516]

I didn't realize how much I preferred the guaranteed trainers over the random BS the battle towers have to offer! Sometimes you just wanna stomp everything or level up your guys so you can get Totodile ok?

[@hawkticus_history_corner]

I love that Mt Battle has a use in the middle of the game in helping you purify Shadow Pokemon quickly. Plus its a great training spot if you need to get a few levels. Its nice that its not only available early on, but actually useful that its available that early.

[@Alola_love7119]

I remember beating the original Colosseum Mt. Battle years ago to get Ho-oh. I did it in one sitting, it took me like 8 hours. My mind was a little numb at the end. It was cool to see NPC's with legendaries near the end tho.

[@Jeffeffery9]

It's crazy how the difficulty curve develops. I also did this in one sitting. The first zones take no more than 10 or 15 minutes each. I was sitting there thinking after zone 2 "Oh this won't take more than 2.5 hours". Then when you get to later zones those NPCs really just brutalize you. Each battle is like a soap opera with a full beginning middle and end 😂

[@themarimbaguy3038]

It's such a shame that we'll probably never again reach the highs that the Orre games brought us to. Still the best pokemon games of all time

[@IceBlueLugia]

Not really tbh. The games are extremely mediocre overall and most of the love for them seems to be due to nostalgia and due to people being more impressed by the mood and atmosphere of the game rather than the actual substance. When you actually play the games, especially Colosseum, they’re just not fun.

[@themarimbaguy3038]

@@IceBlueLugia I actually played through them about a year ago. I enjoyed it immensely. I really liked the difference. Yes, there's a darker tone, but I also just like the different style of game and storytelling. Most games are "yeah go exploring ans catch some pokemon. Also here's some loose plot" whereas Colosseum and XD really told a story. I also really enjoyed the double battles and the limited cast of pokemon. I'm a huge fire emblem fan, and these games give me a very similar vibe

[@rodrigosalvez250]

Man, this game spoiled the entire franchise for me, the dialogues are soo funny, goofy ass, nobody talks like a Game Freak Robot. The Battles are Fierce and brutal, this game make me like Pokémon again, and i never touched a gamecube in my life lol

[@BeeBwakka]

​@@IceBlueLugia mood and atmosphere are more important to some people. everything is subjective but they definitely had one of the most immersive and compelling regions in all of pokemon

[@Pichu441]

@@themarimbaguy3038ah yes the very deep story of colosseum and xd; "there are bad guys doing bad things"

[@ALPHAdog479]

Came here from the shorts and am an inspired to play Emerald again. Had to literally dust off the gameboy with an aircan lol. Thanks for the unique content

[@jasonreed7522]

Something you didn't mention (or atleast emphasize enough) is that Mt. Battle actually gives experience, something that no other battle tower facility does. This is my favorite solution to the experience problem, a dedicated location where you can train against pokemon ranging in level from 10 to 70. Granted you can't EV train but that isn't really needed or possible in these games. I have barely touched emerald's batrle frontier because it takes so much effort just to get 1 pokemon to a reasonable level for it and the best training i can thibk of is either kill the E4 a million times or have a team of 5 or 6 pickup pokemon and try to farm rare candies. And as a kid i had no interest in either, and even now i don't have the time for this level of team building. Also in Mt. Battle you will face some very well made teams including a rain team that spams thunder and hydropump. (This wrecked my overleveled claydol, and frustrated me that thunder kept hitting. Now i actually know how it works and it isn't so bad.)

[@droomish1]

being able to train here during the level curve of both games goes so hard!! And omg yeah the late late theme comps are scary, the explosion team is terrifying

[@PlazmaNoob]

There were some zones where the trainers gave an specific ev for every 5 battles so it's actually not a bad way to ev train them at all. I remember using them to get a single beefed kyogre which was enough to clear the whole mt battle challenge and get hooh

[@thevenom2731]

Just using use the cloning glitch to get rare candies.

[@mharr]

I'm working on a gen 3 living dex on original hardware, so I played through collesseum and XD in the last year. The battle tower was so awesome. I didn't play it when it originally came out, but I know younger me would have been so appreciative of the challenge.

[@MediumDSpeaks]

In 2006 they did the FIRST EVER VGC tournament, double battling, in America. It was called the JAA, Journey Across America, and my best friend who became my foster brother and much more and I were both 11, at the first stop, Miami, only 4 days before his 12th birthday and 19 days before mine, and it was split into under 12 and 12+ so we DOMINATED the like 7 year olds on Colloseum but my pokemon were SO HACKED i literally used a Tyrantitar with Fly and almost got caught, but I just didn't use hacked moves on my team in the final. My brother, then just some kid, won against me but we both got limited edition Pokémon Theme Gameboy micros that were NEVER sold in the US, so they're the rarest pokemon merch in existence today in my belief, and he got a trip for 4 to New York to play in the first nationals, but being 12 he'd be in the 12+. He took me, his dad and my mom. It was the coolest thing and we are still best friends, but we played on Colloseum which at the time I had played but not used in that way, and it was just so... epic to see our pokemon on big TVs in 3D in front of an audience and with a narrator

[@liviecollete]

Love to see the appreciation for what is, in my opinion, the peak of Pokémon in general after that garbage take of Tama Hero a while ago which made people (who probably never even played it) collectively sh!t on Colosseum.

[@ShyerFox]

Mt. Battle is fuckin' lit, man. I'm in the midst of grinding through Colosseum for 100% completion (almost got my shadow pokemon purified!) and Mt. Battle in the story mode has been a godsend. I have done four back-to-back challenges and went through them from start to finish each time. Earth Ribbon makes me a happy guy

[@lordinfernape4753]

Man thankyou for making this video, it motivated me to play the Battle Frontier again, I just got me the Golden Battle Arena Symbol with my beautiful shiny DDance Salamence, I also had a choice banded shiny metagriss and a Sub Calm Mind Suicune The battle arena is one of the most underrated facilities, it gets really exciting when the opponents start using coubtersto your lead and u get forced to use your other 2 Pokemon

[@jamesr6959]

Also the music slapped! Did Mt Battle for my Ribbon Master and it was nice using a combo of my Emerald, LeafGreen, and Colosseum teams. Felt like the “finale” of Gen 3. 😄

[@AlphaWasSpotted]

I lost battle 97 in BDSP to a Stored Power Cresselia. Never played it again and moved on, it just hurt too bad.

[@frozenandchosen]

While the Orre games objectively have some gameplay flaws in hindsight, I still love them so much and think a modern adaptation could make these games truly amazing

[@morgastic23]

If you're looking for a modernized version, there's a romhack of XD called XG, or Next Gen. Adds in fairy types, physical/special split, totally maxes out the number of Shadow Mon available to be nearly 150, new moves and items up to gen 7, totally new Shadow moves, upped the wild Pokemon count from 9 to 72. Just so much QOL stuff. TMs don't break, the move relearner at Mt Battle can teach egg moves, Shadow Pokemon that get purified get unique moves they can't normally get. And it's a fair bit more difficult, with Admins and late-game Peons using real strategies. I have my doubts we'll get proper remakes of these games, so this is a really cool way to play them again, more modernized, without being a total remake. Check it out if you're able to!

[@BDubbyy]

Hey thank you for making this video. It made me smile today :)

[@symphomaniac]

"Every game since has had some version of this facility " NOT SCARLET AND VIOLET

[@kelly2001]

Something I love about Mt. Battle is its continue system. Luck is definitely a factor in battles, and as someone who’s currently completing the Ribbon Master challenge, I’ve had my fair share of close scrapes and outright losses due to OHKO moves and other RNG happenings in post game challenge modes like the Battle Tower. While Mt. Battle’s continue system is decidedly lenient-I had 94 continues by the time I completed it-I would certainly enjoy seeing a new, less broken version of the continue system implemented as a reward for skillful battling that could help steel the player against unlucky happenings later on in a challenge.

[@Nyzer_]

I think there are definitely flaws in Mt. Battle, but overall, I have to agree - it's just such a useful facility with a lot of good features, and the option to use legendaries to blitz through it, just with fewer BP rewarded as a result, makes for a good way to actually include them in one of the games' optional challenges. Something else I always liked about it is that it also served as a useful grinding location in the games, and Colosseum specifically is designed with the expectation that you'll periodically return to it and make use of it. The added reward of BP for the battles makes it feel a lot more engaging than just rebattling trainers in other locations, or even going through the Colosseums. The Battle Frontier may indeed be a more fleshed out postgame challenge, but it's got such a high barrier to proper entry at a time when the games lacked proper Mon optimization (like being able to see/target IVs, ease of leveling, etc.), it ends up not being something that fans can just get their feet wet in. Even the idea of it having useful rewards isn't exactly well-designed, given how high the barrier to a successful entry already is. They can help, but if you're at the point where you're able to accumulate that many points, you likely have next to no need of those moves or items. Mt. Battle's rewards, on the other hand, are specifically designed to help players both during the game and after beating it. It's a shame that they can't quite manage to cover the gap between Mt. Battle and the Orre Colosseum or Battle Frontier, but I know I still made great use of them during the early Gen 3 days in order to get TMs & equipment and level Mons up.

[@germanoschefo]

when i was in elementary school i played alot and with that i mean alot gamecube, especially colosseum but also XD gale of darkness, i spent alot of time on mt.battle, the games themselves are insanely good too, thanks for this video

[@thomasadams8463]

Amazing video, I've been combing your channel for a bit its great. Suggestion if you wanna run with the colo/xd theme, talk about the battle CDs, I swear no one talks about them as in depth as they should

[@drop9482]

I’m just happy to see that others appreciate gen 3 as much as I do :)

[@raygun23]

It’s my favourite Gen, and the only one I play to this day.

[@zedorian6547]

Mt. Battle is and always will be one of my absolute favorite parts of any Pokemon game. I can’t begin to talk about how much leveling I used that mountain for lol

[@Mienshaos]

cool videos, dude. love how chill they are

[@funnelkaek]

when will gamefreak give us mount wuhu from wii sports resort to battle through

[@droomish1]

What in the world is "switch sports"

[@ludicolo15]

The Pit of 100 Trials: Pokemon Edition

[@joshuabyrne2220]

Badass video, glad i found it in my recommended!

[@girthquake2390]

I adore Colosseum and XD, I always have and always will, I play them once every. 2-3 years.

[@Weso26t00]

Classic Droomish Video, always being a W

[@NintendoAsian]

Prior to viewing this video, sitting here with Droomish1 in the flesh, I have to say this video is as inspiring as they are in person. 0/10 video though

[@alexnewsome24]

Do you have to play the battle mode to get the Earth Ribbon? Recently came back to Colosseum and I’m trying to get a Tyranitar all the way up to Sacrlet version

[@ktvx.94]

Honestly a lot of the frustration associated with the Battle facilities' streak systems is just the bs pokemon with dumb sets that are impossible to predict and catch you off guard or use inconsistent, luck based strats.

[@ortizandy87]

The amount if times I've gone through mount battle! I love this

[@conman3441]

Always appreciate the love these games get

[@tommymaxey2665]

I still need to finish my save of Coliseum. That game is just unfair in that you need to take 20 hours to grind out 5 levels for your 6 party members. I hope to do the 100 battle at Mt.Battle and get the rewards from it and send it to my GBA and then onto my switch. Definitely something to put some time into though which is the biggest criticism of it

[@juliansalazar2655]

Back when pokemon difficulty worth your time and effort. It was overall more enjoyable. If only gen 3 had physical/special type attack, it would be absolutely perfection.

[@fluffybunnybadass]

so fun fact-- you only need to have every pokemon purified in Colo *by the time you complete 100 battles*, but they don't need to be purified before you start (unless you wanted to use one for the run) i found this out by accident a month ago, and it turns out that mt. battle is not as hard as it once seemed now that I know how to utilize status moves. Even with noctowl and misdreavus in my team. (and starting back up halfway thru a pre-existing challenge) but yeah! you just need to have everyone purified before you hit the final battle. They don't need to be purified before you start, just before you win the 100th round!

[@theccarbiter]

Isn’t there another battle area in xd after you beat the main story that’s more akin to the frontier ?

[@ProfessorRex]

Loved the fact that I could use my psycho boost Lugia in my battle

[@capreo]

before I got Colosseum I completed the emerald regional dex three times for the johto starters. looking forward to your video on that nonsense

[@droomish1]

yeah that is for real on the docket, it's just gonna come down to time. I hope but it's really so nonsense to get everything "normally" on these

[@stormyandsnowy]

6:12 I don’t know if it’s been mentioned, but you also need to beat Colosseum’s Story Mode AND purify ALL 48 Shadow Pokémon BEFORE being able to get Ho-Oh! Seconds later, you mentioned this…..

[@captainmurphy509]

@droomish1 I am working on complete finishing of gen3; I just need to beat Emerald & XD. Working on completing the official legal living dex (just need ho-oh from xd). Do you have a list of the rarest gen3 pokemon moves combos for pokemon so I dont miss out on anything before transferring up?

[@bitzibaerlie]

I love these games. Probably because of nostalgia lenses to a degree. I would love to see even a faithful remake but would absolutely love a modern overhaul or sequel.

[@morgastic23]

I'm so used to playing XG, the romhack of XD, and I was like "Yeah the rewards for beating it are a lot cooler they're one of the mythical Pokemon either Mew, Celebi, or Jirachi" and just straight up forgot that was a romhack lmao

[@TheVaporwaveExp]

Hey this is the first video I’ve seen from you but this is some A1 Pokémon content bro. You’re gonna be big

[@Firescizor]

Been watching the shorts and couple of videos, and I can say with confidence this is my new Pokémon channel I want to see rising to the top ✌️ keep it up!

[@sutoriimmortal2177]

My only criticism of Mt Battle is that it gives you access to the first 3 areas from the start, but wont allow you to continue your challenge if you dont take down all three of them first. The 3rd area will likely be at an appropriate level for your team when you first show up, the first and second ones are VERY under leveled and end up just taking up a ton of the already long climb for no reason. If I was given the ability to change it, I wouldn't give access to all three areas from the start and risk the player only finding out that the last 20 minutes of hiking up area 3 meant nothing.

[@Leto85]

I'm playing Colosseum again atm. I got all Pokémon up to Raikou so far and the three legendaries are in premier balls, just as I wanted. Now I wonder how long my ambitious plan of an Earth Ribbon livingdex will take me. I might have to play Colosseum and XD a few times to get the entire shadow Pokémon list with their Natural ribbon.

[@rowdyoutdoors5397]

Definitely the peak of the game series..I don’t dislike the new games themselves though, just the Pokémon past hoenn.

[@sfxdlwsrs]

I'm really tired from trying to get the black card in Platinum by winning 100 consecutive battles at the Battle Factory. The further I've done is 38, I guess. I even went so far as to IV breed a Shuckle in HGSS and send it to Platinum to cover the place of Registeel in my team (since it's not available for some reason). Even though I have the disgusting strat of Memento Uxie and Substitute SD Garchomp, it's nerve wreaking to lose a streak and, on top of that, hours of my time, because I miscalculated and Scarf Tricked a Gengar instead of going to Shuckle or something. Imagine if there were checkpoints...

[@primrosevale1995]

If only the battle facilities were more like Mt. Battle (not in terms of length), then they might still be in modern games.

[@veryprofessionalpokemontrainer]

I have lugia already now I’m about to get Ho-Oh. Mt Battle starts NOW!!!!

[@lillydoodle6195]

When I was completing Colosseum a couple years ago I remember dedicating the whole day to Mt. Battle for that Ho-Oh. It took me about 5 hours and I did it in one sitting, great experience.

[@jacobboehrer2361]

Banger video

[@TheRedScizor]

Colo and XD are goated

[@marcusholtzheimer9316]

Playing gale of darkness was suck an amazing experice when I was a kid

[@TK_1]

Great video 💖

[@josecarlosrodriguez9876]

Awesome content

[@NintendoAsian]

After watching this video, truthfully Nintendo is losing revenue by not putting these games onto the Switch. Excellent presentation Droomish1. I must say you're built like Hariyama in real life.

[@savanpatel847]

no one will ever be able to experience this unless they shell out a 100+ bucks now sadly

[@EasterIslander13]

I loved mount battle and still have my Ho-oh from it 🔥

[@World3edgar]

shit was hard, felt super accomplished

[@brunette3cookie]

I did it to get my Gen 3 Ho-oh. I liked that it was forgiving. If I had wiped the floor with 70 people then had an unfortunate match up and lost, I have a way to reset just that fight, win, and get my exclusive legendary, outside of events

[@Quasartist]

This makes me want to build a theoretical ultimate team without any legendary Pokemon. I was planning to do a run with some basic legends (Raikou and Latios specifically) but now I kind of want to test my mettle and see if I could do it without the handicap. If I did I would probably do something like Skarmory, Blissey, Salamence, Alakazam, Tyranitar and then some bulky water type like Swampert or Milotic. But I went to all the trouble of doing some RNG manipulating to get a shiny Latios so I'm gonna use it, dammit!

[@iBenjamin1000]

team evaluation! Spheal and teddiursa are cool little guys that evolve into even cooler bigger guys. you're downright bold for using ledian. or gulpin or shiftry. flareon for starter? respectable.

[@AleAlejandro666]

Great video, I see your channel getting over 100k this year

[@chan.username]

Not me beating mt. Battle 4 times the past few days (trying to get the johto starters and figuring out you need to do it non stop the first try)

[@Zapsuki]

Having gone through Mt. Battle 1-100 maybe around 5 or so times before, it was mind-numbingly boring and easy. The only battle I can remember involved a Mean Look Perish Song team. In Battle Mode only the last 3 battles offer any challenge, and any fear of losing is gone when you've saved up so many continues from the previous battles. I much prefer the Colosseum Battle mode where you're up against only 8 trainers but they have more well-thought-out and memorable teams with Pokémon such as Follow Me Togetic and Imprison Dusclops. It's more quality over quantity. Plus it has those amazing RSE battle remixes you don't get to hear too often!

[@mosarge8442]

Is “I am surrounded by beauty” a reference to anything ? tmi but am on a real rough patch rn and just hearing that from u is helping me get through 🤲

[@ConstructiveCriticHD]

my little kid brain playing XD, was like volcano. there are no orange islands is XD. Shadow Moltres must be in Volcano. So I finished all 100 floors before I finished the game, just based on that assumption. I was wrong, but still no regrets.. 🤣 Can we talk about how cool gen 3 animations were, that stood the test of time. Only to be rivaled by the Mega Evolution games.

[@MrCG35]

The _Peak_ of Pokémon Battling… Took me a moment to get it. 😅

[@adamschaak9527]

I'm surrounded by beauty

[@michaelcarroll5801]

This vid was poggy woggies

[@10000deadkittens]

true the battle frontier is the goat but is unfair

[@thefinalskarm1754]

this is before i've finished the video but HA 6.9k subs FUNNY NUMBER Thanks brain So something the battle mode version of mount battle is everything is at it's minimum hp value 6:35 and fkn make sure you did it beforehand or your ass is doing the WHOLE THING AGAIN. 7:11 yeah 3 times s m i l e. meanwhile in the sword and shield battle tower, yeah just bring whatever the fuck you want.

[@brutusthebear9050]

Buh, buh Gen 3 suck cause you gotta have so many games to complete everything. (Seriously though, if you view these as extra rewards instead of requirements, the entire Gen 3 experience is one of the best game integrations.)

[@PMar797]

Mt Battle felt more skill-oriented vs the luck-based matchups the Battle Frontiers are well known for. A balanced team feels more achievable and will most likely help you reach the top without having to worry about one trainer with the perfect counter to your team Colosseum and XD were fantastic in that regard. It shocks me that certain KZbinrs (*cough* Tama hero and MysticUmbreon) would call these overrated games while endlessly praising far more flawed and actually overrated games like GSC and HGSS

[@manuelaxolot4945]

i defeated 100 flooers and alli got was a lousy turkey

[@JagGentlemann]

Mt. Battle makes me fall asleep, it's too long and half the thing is filler. I think the best battle challenge in the GC games is Orre Colosseum in XD. The trainers there use different strategies, like, ACTUAL strategies. There's a guy with dragons an a Dusclops with ice moves, Protect an Imprison. How many times have you seen AI in Pokémon using Imprison efectively?

[@Tintin92436]

I always think I wanna do this, but then when I actually start playing, I just can’t handle the old mechanics anymore. No physical/special split, electric types getting paralyzed it’s just messes with my head.

[@jasonreed7522]

Gen 3 is when pokemon because actually nice to look at, gen 4 is when the battle mechanics started making sense. While not having the split is hard, its really the only change you actually have to care about when playing these games. (Maybe I'm just blinded by nostalgia, i have a ton of hours into XD)

[@wetsmoke123]

check out the rom hacks Grand Colosseum and XG:Next Gen. They implemented the split as well as the fairy type. Grand Colosseum imo is the inferior hack because it still only has 48 shadow pokemon so, while your teambuilding options are significantly better, they are still limited. XG has waaaaay more shadow pokemon and wild pokemon in the poke spots. they do get hard because the npcs will have max IVs and EVs, but they add spots for EV grinding

[@quinndepatten4442]

Pun intended?

[@WatcherKoops4677]

no wonder I stayed behind an older generation. it's just that these generation nowadays don't offer the same appeal

[@DannyStopMotions]

Downvoted for "poke eeee mon". It's poke EH mon

[@mudkip737]

Love that you touched on this subject! Something so epic to see my ho-oh from the tower and my purified Lugia in my fire red version. We ate well as pokemon fans back in the day! 🥹

[@Manx123]

It was a bad choice to NOT use footage from emulated GameCube games.

[@marvelousball]

Awesome video! Unsubscribed