The Penguin Finale Leads Into Batman 2 (Episode 7 Review)

[@trevorambrose7780]

I didn’t want this episode to end best show in years

[@smith46695]

For real I hate how long the credits are also

[@BrandonDavisBD]

cant believe there is only one episode left

[@TheLostDude7]

Bruce is definitely gonna find out about this underground lair, so he'll know how to get to every part of Gotham, fast

[@Mayor_Of_Eureka17]

Hear Hear!

[@smith46695]

@@TheLostDude7 we are Gonna see Batman at the end of the next episode just for a few seconds there’s no way it doesn’t happen

[@jeegeee]

Clancy killed it as Sal in the end. His own rage takes him out. BRILLIANT!!!

[@xxXEAMxx]

Sal's death was great. Penguin having every major victory taken from him in a way that always reminds him/makes him feel like a little man feels very true to the comic character and is par for how he's been in the show and the movie thus far: a dude who gets by on luck and bull. The implication that Rex was also not what was made out to be is the cherry on top of that whole complex.

[@flyinglions2223]

What was the implication that Rex wasn’t what he was made out to be ?

[@xxXEAMxx]

@@flyinglions2223 How his brothers reacted to him and his older brother talking about how he pays their mom a pittance. It makes it seem like young Oz only looked up to him because he was powerful and influential and that's what Oz has always craved. It's not spelled out or anything, this could just be my interpretation, but it kinda fits with how this episode, even with Sal's defeat, is Penguin back at his lowest.

[@Hel-o7u]

I burst out laughing at this scene :D it was so funny seeing Oz s*it talking to corpse :D

[@ShadowbannedbyYoutube]

Well said…

[@VeeKinn3000]

Oh look a female show runner….and no one making a big deal??

[@alazkaalazka6087]

The Batman 2 needs to be R rated. This is the perfect tone for Gotham. This isn’t some Disney/Marvel bullshit.

[@Kanjo_Bazooie]

It definitely won’t be. But I feel like they pulled it off in The Batman.

[@alazkaalazka6087]

@@Kanjo_Bazooie gotta get those toy sales

[@Kanjo_Bazooie]

@@alazkaalazka6087 This is the way

[@panaderofilms]

This is the gay.

[@michellerobinson7639]

Man this show is such a breath of fresh air something to look forward too man it's just AMAZING. Sopranos meets Batman!!!!!

[@21stcenturycomics47]

People in Gotham: "Where is Vengeance" Batman: "Need more prep time"

[@GeraltEnola]

ALSO WHEN BATMAN COMES 💀

[@shubhangbahadur7112]

​@@GeraltEnolaThis Batman is an overrated f--k. He needs a Robin or a Justice League to save his ass.

[@lonewolf.4ki]

​@@shubhangbahadur7112Give him a break dude. This Batman is only 2 years into being it.

[@BrandonDavisBD]

bro is on holiday let me him live lmao

[@lucifuge927]

@@shubhangbahadur7112 tell me you dont have a brain without telling me

[@thegeektakeover9050]

The opening of this episode might be one of the darkest openings I’ve ever seen holy cow that set the tone 😮‍💨 10/10

[@shubhangbahadur7112]

Nah, the killing of Vic's parents in the opening flood along with Alberto Falcone's casual murder by Oswald Cobblepot were colder.

[@fernandowong371]

@@shubhangbahadur7112 Personally, I think Oz drowning his own brothers "accidentally" was darker.

[@shubhangbahadur7112]

@@fernandowong371 It wasn't accidentally, it was cold blooded murder. He has no guilt when his Ma was worrying, rather had a smirk watching TV with his head in her lap.

[@fernandowong371]

@@shubhangbahadur7112 Hence why I put accidentally in quotes.

[@Kanjo_Bazooie]

@@fernandowong371bro just wants to argue lol

[@thesorcerersupreme]

The recurring theme of Oz being disloyal is done so well, especially the contrast between the final moments of these last two episodes. Ep 6 was “we’re all in this together” while Ep 7 was “every man for themselves” (boom).

[@Atomic_Brunette]

I can’t believe this show is ending, I have been so engaged and locked in week after week, thanks for the awesome coverage BD! 🤘🏼

[@brentbynoe7762]

Can’t wait for next Sunday damn

[@sfieldlegend7003]

For real bro

[@OscarSilvaMMA]

This is one of the few shows where I'm begging for each episode not to end

[@marklawrence7509]

Literally and that last episode felt short as hell

[@lulu_TheWitchBoy]

Oz chose to not save his brothers- he was worried, and thinking about them, but chose to stay watch tv with his mom. He knew them dying would give all the attention from his mother- it wasn’t a burden to OZ to take care of Francis, he wanted it. He wants that motherly love all to himself, we saw that he got jealous of victor when Francis was sweet talking towards him. Also the fact his base operation is where his brothers had die, and showed no emotion when he’s inside the tunnel where they died; he does not cadet that they died

[@vbar964]

I’m glad you noticed that too about Francis and Vic. That man’s a goner

[@Shaq_humcho]

I think he has a twisted mind but I don’t think he meant to kill his brothers. I don’t think at any point when locking them in that tunnel did he think that they were going to die. At some point when it starts flooding we can see him actually looking through the window and maybe thinking ‘Oh this might be dangerous’ but then he’s a kid and gets distracted by the fact that he has mums to himself just tonight. Won’t be surprised if he were to go back to the tunnel next episode to try get them out and discover that it’s flooded.

[@lauracatherine9925]

​@@Shaq_humchoNo, the show runner said that he purposely didn't rescue them even though he had time, and that was the point that he literally kind of went out of his way not to rescue them.Given the amount of time he had

[@notahundrd5225]

imagine the new crime family that rises up is the Sionis’ and Roman Sionis as Black Mask. that would fit in this batman universe

[@webstar118]

😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮

[@MPARASKA]

​@@webstar118also two face

[@sethsentertainmenttalks]

Aye yo!!!! Masterpiece of an episode tonight!! The drama and the emotions, I was all in the feels!! I was engrossed in all the dialogue… Fantastic episode! So hyped for next Sunday!! 9/10 rating for me!

[@imdiyu]

The Explosion at the end must alert The Batman. I will be happy to see the Bat Signal lighting up the sky as the last shot of the series.

[@BrandonDavisBD]

there is just no way he's not interested in finding out more about that lol

[@Berserk096-z6v]

@@BrandonDavisBD Well they said he wont appear but probably not to spoil the suprise, or maybe if he ain't in the show then probably he will have hear about this in a reference in The Batman 2

[@alazkaalazka6087]

@@Berserk096-z6vthey said Batman won’t show up. They said nothing about Bruce Wayne

[@LittleGalaxyBoy]

​@@alazkaalazka6087An undercover Bruce Wayne would be a wild reveal.

[@alazkaalazka6087]

@@LittleGalaxyBoy would be peak

[@EntrepreneurialBoost]

One of greatest TV show I've been seeing. 10/10 so far. Very Motivational show as well.

[@the_shadow_realm5110]

8:39 thanks for the shoutout Brandon! Love this show and came straight to your channel after finishing the episode. I don’t want this series to end!

[@darknexus6720]

There has to be at least one line mentioning Batman next episode or an indirect nod to him like a shadowy figure looming out of frame before the credits roll.

[@superbatusPL]

Or just a bat-signal

[@kuakilyissombroguwi]

He didn't premeditate it, but he definitely let his brothers die. There's guilt in that. A savage since age 12.

[@DavidAnderson-m5c]

I sincerely hope Episode 8 of The Penguin doesn't do a Season 8 compression like Game of Thrones did. We're still some distance away from seeing The Penguin in his classic role, complete with persona and appearance. So far, the series has given us a very organic storyline. Nothing seems forced or accelerated. Things have happened for good reason and with reasonable timing.

[@larrynewman8861]

This is what GoT was like. Every Sunday waiting to see what would happen next . Then talking about it with all of y’all . Love Sunday’s love Penguin.

[@BrandonDavisBD]

i totally agree. its awesome!

[@expo6877]

Except the penguin is following this shitty ass modern trend of having only 8 episodes per season. It’s sad that nowadays amazing shows like the penguin and the boys can literally be binged in a day.

[@Woleni]

I think that he felt bad for a bit, bit it didn't really phase him that much. He kept lying all the time about it. He actually causes his mother's mental decline which is really messes up

[@zachschmitt3654]

Indirectly killing his own brothers!!! Dude is evil!

[@BrandonDavisBD]

straight up. didnt even feel bad about it

[@Berserk096-z6v]

@@BrandonDavisBD The fact he was starring at the window like ''Should i help them? Nah i am good alone with Ma''

[@whitewidow758]

Kill or be killed seems like it’s set into ozs head. His brothers tried to get him down there knowing he might not be able to get back up to make fun of him. In a way oz could’ve seen locking them down there as necessary so they couldn’t hurt him.

[@brockweaver346]

This show has just been so good in every aspect, the writing, the acting, the set dressing, the extras just every single thing is pert near perfection

[@vajkperduk]

The genius of this show that the penguin is far the most evil and disloyal character. He can only be a protagonist because we see how he cares about Vic and his mother. When they die we will have no sympathy for him at all and that’s a perfect way to make him a serious fearsome batman villain

[@lonewolfboxing]

I don't think Oz meant to kill his brothers but I don't think he regrets it. I think back to the conversation Oz and Sophia had in episode 3 where he genuinely didn't know what Carmine would do when he grassed in Sophia but at the same time doesn't regret it because in the end he still got what he wanted. Also loved Clancy Brown as Maroni, guy just has a presence. Want to see him in more live action roles, he was the best part about Dexter New Blood too.

[@larrynewman8861]

Sophia isn’t playing around . I did not expect that she would blowup the entire block.

[@Birch123-z9p]

Sophia isn’t making it out of the show. Her death is the only way to end the plot of the show

[@Berserk096-z6v]

yea + there is no point having her in The Batman 2 tbh, the actress is phenomenal and her character is good but Penguin is among of Batman nemesis

[@GothamKnight84661]

@@Berserk096-z6v What if she is, you gonna go throw a fit like a baby?

[@danielcampos2840]

I think Bruce is trying to raise funds to rebuild the city, but he'll be forced to come back as Batman due to a full blown war between Oz and Sophia. At least that's what I hope for in Batman 2.

[@BrandonDavisBD]

this comment is definitely being featured in next week’s video

[@danielcampos2840]

@BrandonDavisBD wow! Cool! Can't wait to see it. Tks.

[@Berserk096-z6v]

Dude that is actually a good plot

[@GothamKnight84661]

You think? you either know or you don't know?

[@danielcampos2840]

@@GothamKnight84661 do YOU know?

[@biggcam]

Where’s Vic??!? Hopefully building an army

[@rjk537]

Vic becomes new little vengeance, rides bike just like emo batman

[@christophervalentin1486]

I think he didn’t intend to kill his brothers, but he didn’t mind them not being around.

[@Jay-bf6vy]

Colin said he'd be surprised if anybody liked him after the end of 8, I feel like with that being said he might backstab Vic and off him. His mother would be more of a compassion offing

[@Berserk096-z6v]

well make sense for his character to do so, he is one of Batman main villains and his last step to be fully complete is just to kill Vic after getting the city, before ofc Bruce returns as a bigger Menace in The Batman2

[@jlr1917]

Most may not like Alberto but I feel like Oz will lose someone bc Sofia weather she makes it out of this series or comes out on top or not will make him suffer in some way for what he's done to her and her family, Colin Farrel Christin Milioti and everyone continues to be so good in their roles, shoutout to Clancy Brown for his portrayal of Sal although I would've liked to see him in the batman 2 and make it out of the series but the finale is going to be one epic episode, great interview

[@Berserk096-z6v]

With the upcoming villains we might see in The Batman 2 and 3 maybe letting Sal alive wouldve made another distraction from the budget and plot to make sense for movies to have him around, they might kill Sophia too for the same reason

[@johnbrown6874]

Loved the world building. When I think I have a handle on what’s to come… BOOM! Something new and just mind blowing happens. Excellent episode.Excellent series. So happy to get this. Now if only it’s a bit of what’s to come from DC- I will be so happy. A very solid 9 as most of what this series has been for me . Excited to see how this baby ends. As always great coverage there BD!

[@BrandonDavisBD]

thanks john! dc is on fire man. this is a major win for dc

[@DavidAnderson-m5c]

Last week I got into some discussions with other viewers about how that Episode 6 cliffhanger ending was going to play out. Well, I don't think anybody -- including me -- called it correctly. That's just one of the amazing things about this series; about the only prediction that's safe is the eventual, full emergence of The Penguin persona. Everything else is a surprise.

[@Damian-ir8gn]

This ep rocked my soul with his brothas

[@Adonto01]

The cast is so amazing I feel like the casting Director would be a great interview to find out how they decided on all of these great choices

[@aspireahead8388]

I don't think Sofia survives next week's episode... I don't think they want that distraction in The Batman II of those 2 battling each other... Just an educated guess...

[@Berserk096-z6v]

+ Colin Farrell did said we might not like him after episode 8, probably teasing after killing Sophia he will kill Vic after gaining power and he might start wearing his iconic hat since we already seen the coat, he will be fully complete as the Evil character he is

[@alloverdaplace2043]

KZbinr jon campea made a crazy assumption but got me thinking that Sofia's therapist isnt ever really there and she just making him up..i mean besides the flashbacks when he was actually there....very interesting

[@NehemiahDC]

I think Oz is going to kill his mom. Sofia is going to threaten her while she has another schizophrenic episodeto lure Oz and he's going to reluctantly keep his promise to his mom. Sofia will die but be satisfied she hurt Oz in the end and she will finally be "free". I think/hope Oz is dressed in a tuxedo and top hat with an umbrella in the end. Maybe at her funeral or in a dream sequence dancing with his mom. I can't wait.

[@AREA-jp8vb]

Nah, That’s not how Sophia rolls. We haven’t seen her threaten a woman yet. She’s going to make the mother realize that Oz killed his brothers. She’s going to take his mother from him but not by killing her, by making her hate him. Just like she did with the escort. Because the worst thing to Oz is having the women in his life think that he’s a nobody. (at least that’s what the show has shown us.) if Francis does die it will be because Oz kills her after she says she hates him, after she yells at him for killing his brothers. Because Oz is emotional and he reacts out of rage. Just like he did with Sophia‘s brother, and just like he did after not getting to kill Sal. he had so much rage he shot multiple times into his already dead body 😂😂. And Oz will justify it himself by saying that she was just having a psychotic break and this is what she asked him to do. But deep down he will know the truth, it will eat away at him.

[@Berserk096-z6v]

@@AREA-jp8vb Would actually be a good twist, imagine she hates Oz and then when Oz has enough he pulls out his gun ''You wanted me to kill you remember Ma?'' honestly my Jaw would drop lol

[@NehemiahDC]

@@AREA-jp8vb damn. That makes sense. I'm also thinking of a twist where Oz somehow saves his mom but she's completely gon and he has a Mice and Men moment but can't do it so Vic does it for him and we see if it really does get easier.

[@AREA-jp8vb]

@ oh dang, that would be more breaking.

[@AREA-jp8vb]

@ i’m also wondering because we haven’t seen Vic if maybe she has him too. It would be interesting to see her make Oz choose between Vic and his mom. Especially if his mom already knows that he killed his brothers. There’s a reason he keeps Vic around and it’s not because he sees himself in him. It’s because Vic gives him that admiration and respect he’s always talking about. Penguin sees himself as Vic’s Rex.

[@sdot7117]

1:34 At the end of the episode the writers confirmed that he decided to allow his brothers die when he was watching the Fred Astaire movie. He sacrificed them to get what he wanted, similarly to how he did Sophia.

[@TheLostDude7]

Yeah penguin didn't mean to kill his bros, he just chose not to save them when it started raining.. I know ''isn't it the same thing?" Well I don't know. It kind of reminds me of the breaking bad scene with Walt, not saving Jessie's gf. This is different though, it was his own two brothers, and he noticed his mom seemed to play along more with the other brothers. Oz felt like the least favorite, and wanted to be the favorite. Now that he's older, he still retains that same ideology, of just wanting to rule everything, even if it means betraying others. He's a psychopath.. His only closest person to him, is his mom

[@journeym4n-l5s]

This show is so damn solid.

[@Berserk096-z6v]

I so hope they don't pull a Game Of Thrones on us and ruin the final

[@STat89]

Batman was probably fixing the Batcave as the flood might have destroyed it and his other gadgets. Probably fixing that while multitasking in helping the city as Bruce Wayne post flood. Lots of issues BUT I assume the show would end with him setting his sights on the outcome of the show without actually showing Pattinson. Could be a teaser of the new batcave and all future tech they might show in the batman sequel.

[@GothamKnight84661]

That's kinda of dumb reason. Cave or no cave, Batman will still fight crime. Sou try again and please read comics the good ones not the bad ones you kids read.

[@Pakilla64]

added fratricide to the list of inspirations taken from Gotham's Penguin

[@jarrodedson5441]

The way Salvatore Maroni died was a surprise

[@moonchild0658]

I feel like Vic will pull up just in time to save Oz from the drug-addict cop, like he did when Nadia showed up and cornered Oz and Sofia. And... someone said this already in the comments but, I don't think that Julian is real. I think he exists in Sofia's mind only. No weak links in this series' storytelling. HBO has struck gold again!

[@capitano_jord]

What if the War between Oz and Sofia leads to an Arkham outbreak?

[@totalmovierecall]

Hate to be that guy, but if they are planning more of these spin-off shows... they have got to work out something thats obviously a road block behind the scenes, weather thats for legal reasons or not... but this show is derived from The Batman... its not crazy to want a mention of him. Hes been on the scene for 2 years, and obviously has a presence, with Oz's narcissist traits the fact he hasnt mentioned he survived a run in with batman at any point is just strange. When he got his lair, and he was pushing bliss out, "guys, just be vigilant out there, not only are Sofia and Salvator on my back, but i had some FREAK chasing me down the highway a couple of weeks ago ". And please dont say he's recovering from gunshot blasts... he was seen with Catwoman at the end of the movie, and he looked motivated and ready... not bed ridden. Loving the show, but it seems they are absolutely NOT aloud to mention him whatsoever. I dont need a physical nod to him... just... an acknowledgement of his existence.

[@WhosNathaniel]

My Theory for the last ep is Sofia will have Vic and Oz's mother and she'll make him k ill one of them to save the other. I think Oz will k ill Vic. Or, which would be even more insane, Oz will k ill both of them to save himself. Oz's mother did say that she wanted him to do it when the time comes. Just a theory but would be a crazy twist at the end, this would really drive home that we as fans should not be rooting for Oz.

[@Berserk096-z6v]

Yea, would make sense for him to kill Vic tho, Colin Farrell teased we wouldn't like him after the finale

[@LilBig780]

I personally think that Oz is going to kill his mom, because I feel like his mom is going to have one of her episodes and say something that triggers Oz insulting him making him impulsively kill her like Alberto and his Brothers, solidifying his rise as The Penguin completely losing his sanity

[@DavidAnderson-m5c]

I think Episode 8 will give us an explanation for Victor's absence after Oz sends him out of the apartment window.

[@Berserk096-z6v]

I mean it was already mentionned lol Oz told him to bring up the other gangs ''Bring me an army kid'' So in the final episode we will see the cinese and other gangs etc against Sophia, that is what Vic's been doing

[@DavidAnderson-m5c]

@@Berserk096-z6v That makes sense. After all, that Gold Summit wasn't just posturing. You make an excellent point. Thank you!

[@MissyFaith1971]

I have a strange feeling that Vic might make it. He seems to always help Oz when he needs it most. There's a good chance that down the line he's going to become a certain character. It's a bit tooearly the way the show is going but it's possible. Oz might mercy kill his mom in front of Sofia because Julian's light therapy might make Ozs mom go crazy or hurt her and it could also freak out and scare Sofia into giving up some of her power and her vendetta. He's going to show Sofia Sal Maronis ring and tell her he's dead.

[@LeesaLilHop]

The moment i saw young Ozwald, I hated him. I did not want to root for him nor did I feel sympathetic. Great casting.

[@Berserk096-z6v]

Specialy when he was startting at the window like ''Should i help them? Nah''

[@jamesmcinerney1030]

I think there’s no way we don’t get a Batman or Jim Gordon appearance at the end. I can so clearly see either one of them busting both Sophia and Oz. After that, I have no predictions. I am so curious how this sets up Batman 2.

[@pershonperkins1992]

Great episode oz is just a savage for killing his brother and didn't go back in help when he could of but he wanted everything to himself and now the finale episode gonna be so good that I don't want this series to end but like I said more DC tv series likes this is awesome

[@EsotericOrderJ]

Loving this show, you have some dope figures have done a video on them?

[@rii_.]

Ik he won’t be in the show, but I am rlly hoping bats is mentioned at least. Especially after the explosion. And yes, I think he wanted to get rid of his brothers. Not “kill them” but be the centre of attention and that’s what he got.

[@aspireahead8388]

I'm not sure this leads right into The Batman II because they talked about an interest in doing a season 2... Which can still happen after The Batman II... But, I'm assuming they would want it to be before... Which would also mean they must begin shooting very soon...

[@TheJmann1892]

If they do a season 2 it'll be between the Batman part 2 and 3 which films soon

[@aspireahead8388]

@@TheJmann1892 It could be... I haven't heard them speak of the show in relation to the movie... I definitely know that Oz wouldn't be the bad guy for both 2 and 3... They never use the same bad guy twice... It could be in 3... But it would be in a smaller role... Maybe like a cameo to show it's still the same universe...

[@Berserk096-z6v]

@@aspireahead8388 Yea, maybe Oz will be a secondary Villain in the second movie for a short time and a bigger role in The Batman 3 like he had in the 1st movie, cuz he already has alot of spotlight with the show going. Knowing the internet they gonna brag about how he is appearing everywere blabla

[@mattbrown1897]

Also, the last two times Sophia has talked to a women close to Oz, there is a weird blur. I wonder if she wears a scent that make people more truthful

[@markbrailey1]

I think we'll find out Oz killed Rex. I think Oz's 'maaa' came to find out Oz left his brothers behind, resulting in their deaths and hated Oz for it but then began blocking it out as a result of serious breakdown. I think Dr Rush is on hand to bring these memories back to the forefront, so Sofia can have Oz relive his ma's disgust and hatred of him.... Maybe lol

[@Sketch_0123]

Where is Batman? “He’s at home washing his tights!” Ha ha he ha ha ha

[@michellerobinson7639]

Giving it a solid 9 as well

[@omgmacy]

This shows the best on tv rn and Penguin went from a batman villain i didn't care about much to up there with Joker for me

[@danteanise3013]

I think that wherever Victor is and whatever Victor is doing will play big time in episode 8. It probably will play in the Penguin's "victory" and will possibly place him in the position as Gotham's Crime Lord. Even with Sophia's great Poker hand her position in Gotham is very weak. I would almost argue her position is weaker than Oswald's. I believe that Victor is doing as Oz asked, gathering an army. Just brain-storming here, but Victor could be using this time to gather the troops under his leadership. I doubt it but who knows. When we were introduced to Mrs. Cobb I thought her days were numbered. I could see Victor ending Oz's mother's life. We shall see next week.

[@onetwo-in4mh]

Batman will make a cameo in ep8, It would make no sense for him not to appear. Also, unless a season 2 is planned, something HAS to happen for Penguin to hate Batman.

[@brucewayne0219]

Oz’s mother was not more doting over his brothers at all. Oz was overly sensitive and wanted all of her attention. Perhaps Oz thought he deserved more of the attention because of his disability. Oz thought his brothers would get out and come home because in his head they could. They were the “normal” ones with no disabilities. As the night progresses and he realizes what may be happening, Oz descends into “The Good Son” territory. Oz is despicable. This show is top tier writing and acting!

[@eldongrimes2306]

Even if you meant to or not he didn't feel bad about it at all!

[@DavidAnderson-m5c]

I'm torn between the idea of Francis surviving the series or not. On the one hand, as long as she's around, Oz has a strong motive to build his crime empire so he can finally get her that "deluxe apartment in the sky" (remember The Jeffersons?). On the other hand, if Sofia kills her, Oz's vengeance will become exponential. It's hard to know at this point which drives Oz more: his desire to please his mother, or his desire to elevate himself. It seems that each motive feeds the other.

[@AREA-jp8vb]

Sophia’s not going to kill Francis, she’s going to take Francis from Penguin, but she’s not going to kill her. She’s going to make her hate her son. They showed us Oz was responsible for his brother’s deaths in this episode on purpose. I think they’re setting up the reveal to his mother about what he did. Having his mother hate him will be more painful than her dying. If she does die next episode, it will be because Oz did it after she says she hates him. he’ll justify it by thinking she lost her mind and that he asked him to do it last episode. but deep down he will know, it will eat away at him. And that’s how Sophia plays her game. That’s why she didn’t kill the escort. She revealed the truth about Oz hiding who killed her girls. Sophia made her hate Oz. And they have shown us last thing Oz wants is to be seen as a nobody, a nothing, a loser, by the women in his life.

[@DavidAnderson-m5c]

@@AREA-jp8vb Well, yes... WE were shown the fate of Oswald's brothers. But, at best, only Oswald himself knows what really happened. And even he can only infer that the rising water level in the storm sewer drowned the boys. The bodies were never found (at least that's the story so far). So I can't see how Sofia is going to turn Francis against her remaining son. One thing this series has done superbly, though, is show us an alternate storyline for many of Gotham's characters. It follows the established "canon" (I use the word loosely here), but takes a lot of interesting "other" roads. Which is okay, considering we're working with some 85 years worth of Batman lore in all its weird, wild, and wonderful variations. I'm hard pressed to think of another superhero (DC, Marvel, or anyone else) with such a rich backdrop of location, supporting & minor characters, and story possibilities. All we can do here is wait until next Sunday to find out how the season winds up. So far they're 7-for-7, and frankly I don't think anybody is going to be disappointed by the end of Episode 8.

[@AREA-jp8vb]

@ Sophia doesn’t have to actually reveal anything, all she has to do is put a seat of doubt in Francis’s head during one of her episodes. or exploring a less likely option, the therapist could implant that memory into Francis’s head. I mean, we haven’t seen what he does yet, they’ve hinted that he can do something, and I’m assuming it involves that red light. Maybe somehow he exposes the secret through hypnosis. Any ways it’s all just fun theories, Whatever they do it’s going to be amazing! But I still think Sophia will not kill Francis, She knows that Oz losing the love and acceptance of his mother would be worse than losing her to death. It’s the only thing that drives Oz, the love and acceptance of other people and the number one being his mother. Fuck, these characters are so well written! 😂

[@bruiserb8116]

This series is so good

[@Rockthecasbah3535]

The Kurgan-I know His Name😆😆😆

[@nunya8938]

This was a really enjoyable listen after watching the episode last night! I’m shocked tbh because I didn’t see that it was Brandon, when he’s not a woke Disney shill the guy is pretty good at reviews/breakdowns.

[@thatstopmotioner8119]

Sals death reminded me of Daredevil beating kingpin. But oz didn’t win. It felt almost like it was paralleling that scene.

[@ScottEgan69]

I hated Sal's death. I wanted Sal to stick around. He's a great character. Sophia is a complex character, beautifully written and performed. I feel like Oz escaping death at the last second every time, sometimes by guile and sometimes by chance is starting to get cliché. he is a smart guy though. And a great character.

[@michellerobinson7639]

Mr Cobb not crabbs lol

[@ensabahnur827]

I can easily see when is looks like Sofia has won and penguin is about to be killed theclower gangs of Gotham that penguin spokecwith will band together wich leads to the Penguin becoming an official crime boss of Gotham

[@johnalexharper]

I think Sophia is gonna end up in Arkham again

[@dannyochoa8167]

I rate this episode a 5 Sofia should have stayed and caught Penguin herself

[@reddays8448]

Ok so if Batman knows or he’s gathering data that’s messed up he’s letting people die and also that kinda contradicts Bruce’s arc

[@Berserk096-z6v]

My theory is that he is away mediatating, training, to become a better version of Batman, while probably using Wayne funds to help the city but after hearing what happens we might see him either at the end or mentionning it in The Batman2

[@maxtruby7467]

bro i don’t think there is anything morally grey about blowing up a huge chunk of gotham, i also don’t think sofia make it out of the show alive though, she won’t settle until oz is dead so i think she’ll have to go

[@dennisbay3035]

I think that since he already promised it.. Oz is going to be the one to kill his mom.

[@RawExcellence_studio]

batman 2 could get dark night numbers

[@boywhometworld]

If Batman doesn’t show up I’m gonna be really let down.

[@SolidMikeP]

If Batman doesn’t investigate that explosion he sucks

[@belle190]

Best series since Your Honour. Not sure why they have up to 8 seasons of nonsense TV still running. 🙄

[@jeremyfields9009]

Sophia is NOT surviving. This is a one and done story.

[@smith46695]

Ya no way Batman would be an ally with Sofia

[@IamNoTaBotBruh]

Im good

[@MrOvertoad]

Do you think they were his real brothers? Looked like he could have come from a different father.

[@ojastudio]

Sophia gonna be real damaged after the show, unseen in Batman 2, then spin off show about Catwoman in Rome, she meet Sophia there and we learn more about falcone family, there both back in batman 3 against him sadly for catwomen cause the hangman is against the penguin

[@earlskinner615]

I’m torn I feel like this show paid off the promises of Gotham. Did a great job of giving us a a Gotham mob war. With movies like the joker I don’t really see Oz having anything that truly makes him a threat. If not for the heart attack penguin would be dead. This episode just confirmed what a deplorable character Oswald is. Part of me feels like he should be treated like Joker in his sequel: in that he should not make it out alive. Leaving Sophia to be the character that transitions into the sequel.

[@RoyPalacios33]

Oz is a pathological liar, and I’ll be surprised if he isn’t the reason Vic gets killed. The writings on the wall after this episode. If the point is to make us hate The Penguin by the time Part 2 rolls around, then having oz kill Vic would do it. At least for myself. Seems like an even more troubling psychological enemy for Batman than just a simple mob boss.

[@Ogdazee]

10/10

[@GeraltEnola]

THEY SAID THAT WHEN THAT BLAST WILL HAPPEN HE WILL COME AND BY MEANS HE I AM LITTLERY TALKING ABOUT "THE BATMAN".

[@GooBer6GaMer]

I think vic has a better chance of surviving than francis

[@DblTap317]

Penguin cant rise with Sofia around. Therefore Penguin and Sofia cant co exist. She must die or go back to Arkham. Vic would be a total waste if hes killed why would they do this? Makes zero sense. Vic comes up under Penguin and becomes big time big shot. Julian snaps and becomes some psycho villian at Sofia dying. Otherwise why even have HIS character. Deaths should only happen to FURTHER the plot, not just for kicks. They did so much character development on VIC which has not paid off at all. No way he dies.

[@waykool698]

Sofia needs to go. With all the family and Sal dead, not sure what else she has left. Penguin will take care of it.

[@SolidMikeP]

He didn’t murder his brothers, if you think he meant to do it you are dense

[@BruceLayne_SL]

I don't think he meant to kill them, not realizing the storm was going to be bad and it was going to flood. I hope they revisit this in the finale and shows him as a kid going back to the place and finding them dead and feeling guilt, then the need to hide the truth from his mother.

[@vbar964]

No the show runners said that he knew once he got home and it was raining

[@MPARASKA]

​@@vbar964indeed, Oswald killed his brothers too in the comics so I'm happy they kept it the same

[@CharlesB-NGNM]

Honestly, adding a weak cosplay Batman to this would ruin it.

[@aaronhuff2813]

Oz is the OG freak lol. Oz was born that way. Sofia was made. Oz's mom gave him purpose in his insanity. He's a serial succeeder crazy like Riddler but a different purpose. This is meticulous writing. Batman must hone his skills on these guys in order to save the world. that's what his purpose is though he doesn't realize it,