THE PERFECT E-BIKE DOESN'T EXI... THE 2022 SUR-RON LB-X

[@denseljosephs9500]

Yet again another brutally honest review. Thanks for the uploads.

[@billt1954]

Thanks for the review. You make a good point regarding how conspicuous this bike is. Also, the other problem is that few people in this country live close to suitable ride locations. This means that they would need to ride on the highway to get there, (and risk police attention) or they would need a van or suitable trailer to transport it. I believe this is why there are so many on the used market.

[@sw45yth]

I'm in the UK and bought the road legal version. I use it as a daily rider and have been around lots of police with it. Not pulled yet, but i get plenty of people looking. As long as its insured and your riding it normally, you won't be getting it crushed!

[@alfiekennedy1657]

or if youre fast enough 😉

[@FlyingFun.]

Yep road legal version is fine BUT thing is you have to ride it on the road or private land, soon as you are riding it around off road where only push bike are allowed it's a problem and you are easily identified with your number plate. I'd love one though, they look great fun and a option for commuting in the city.

[@gritred5500]

players can be placed on by magnets? remove off road.

[@FlyingFun.]

@@gritred5500 good idea. If police stop you it's still bad news but at least csnt just be identified by general public.

[@lostinthefog14]

How much is tax and insurance 🤔

[@SmokeyStoner]

3 guys near me had theirs crushed. Cops literally waited for them to come out of their houses with them and arrested them.

[@ashpunting]

And that's why I would not buy one I can't afford to lose £4500 to the crusher 😁

[@SmokeyStoner]

@@ashpunting Exactly.

[@ashpunting]

If the Sur-Ron was legal to ride in the uk Smokey I would get one tomorrow

[@SmokeyStoner]

@@ashpunting They do sell road legal models but they need to be taxed and insured.

[@ashpunting]

@@SmokeyStoner I know but you can't ride them on the pavments in the parks through town then you lose all the fun I've already got 1000w mid-drive super73 copy and a 750w mid-drive mountain bike but I think I'm going to pull the trigger on a Zooz electric bmx bike the 750w because that one has the most torque 👍🏾😂

[@cmarkme]

If you really listen, you can hear the Roar trying to get out. what a Legend. Thank you for showing this beast of a Bike 🙂

[@colinsmith3938]

how does he handle the 6hp of this beast of a bike try my cr500 bike 60hp that's a beast this is a small kids' bike only ever see kids on them

[@cmarkme]

@@colinsmith3938 No-Body likes a Showoff, Young Lady! Plz, refrain.

[@londonjacks8371]

I’ve seen two lads riding these around the streets where I live, didn’t know what they were riding until now.

[@leannehargreaves55]

The Sur Ron's a beast

[@coreydavies5314]

You should make it road legal through the dvla like Andy did with his stealth bomber.👍

[@DEADLYVIPER1998]

There is the road legal version of the sur ron

[@its_marc]

Have to agree with you. Someone needs to make some fake pedals for it to make it look more mtb

[@mckidney1]

It is a MTB based bike. Price is not even that good. Just convert a better MTB :)

[@willfullyinformed]

99% of states accept the working pedal kit you can purchase for Sur Ron; get the pedal kit from Kaniwaba to make it a class 2 e-bike (working pedals with throttle). Additionally you can install their pedal assist sensor that lets you choose your power assist levels; this will work for local trails, parks, etc. that accept class 1, 2 or 3 e-bikes, so long as you don't speed or act like an idiot, and the bonus is you have the power/range to get up/around anything. If you are extremely concerned, or still being harassed for no actual reason after being responsible/legal, then buy the Sur Ron bicycle seat from Kaniwaba and it will make it look like an e-mountain-bike if appearance is the main issue. As far as the road goes, you can easily get your simple moped license in most states, or get a motorcycle license - just put turn signals on the Sur Ron if needed; STOCK Sur Ron is around 31 MPH, that's plenty on most normal roads. You can also snip the green limiter wire and get about 45 mph. You can go a step further and upgrade to the 72v battery/new-controller and get around 55+ mph which is way more than a enough, but it will cost you a lot more. The reason to still get this over an e-mountain-bike in my opinion is the power to climb anything with ease, travel roads, etc., among other reasons. The price, power, and mod-versatility is what makes the Sur Ron so valuable as you'd have to spend $6k + on a "comparable" E-Mountain-Bike (although great as well) to get a quarter of the Sur Ron's power. Cheers

[@user-ki6id4vt8u]

@@willfullyinformedhave you got whatsapp? You seem knowledgeable about this

[@freak1sees714]

Dude..!! Where do you live?? I love the openness and the medieval backdrop.. smashing the sur ron through history. F'n awesome.

[@doubleL_S]

Most places in England lol

[@BaldBloke]

Dealers use VOI (council approved electric scooter rental) around my way, which ironically they do 30mph.. i still can't work out why ebikes are limited to nearly half that by law, yet the local council approved ones do 30 ?

[@the_real_greywolf]

Did you cut the limiter wire yet?

[@eugeneosbourne1670]

Ste have u cut the green wire mate.? Because it doesn't sound like u have mate if u cut the green wire then u will see how powerful it is

[@18ct]

I'm colourblind, the red one or the red one? 50/50 aren't bad odds

[@bkgaming6651]

Review talaria sting or 72v next

[@DudeStuff]

You'll like the next video 😎

[@DaBoys-n1b]

1:12 1:18 me every second of the day

[@andrewalexander2861]

Your bang on mate!

[@AutisticMan78]

Great analysts fella. I want one of those sur-ons built by the guy who went his own way & built a better version, also wanted the 72v upgrade but it’s not worth the risk of loosing it being stopped, I know u can ride it legally at 30mph but again I can do that and more on my mid drive ba fang and never get stopped as it’s mtb, I love the idea of these but it’s like have a motocross and every year tracks are closing down and not practical having to put it in van to get to private locations, I’m sticking with mtb till laws change as pointless imo

[@Paivaeste]

Too right on every aspect 👍👍👍

[@antoniopalmero4063]

Nice one dude 👍🇬🇧

[@joeows6537]

Talaria is a little bit bigger a little bit faster and a little bit more torque and a bigger size battery

[@DudeStuff]

I thought it was identical like the segway?

[@joeows6537]

@@DudeStuff there's a few minor differences such as the Talaria has a gearbox where the Sur ron has a belt drive direct to a chain drive the Talaria is a little heavier but stands a little taller as well as there's a slight difference in the amp hours. The speed band curve is different on both bikes with the telaria having a little more power at the top end while the sur Ron has more in the mid-range. Both are great bikes but the talarias rear swing arm is a little wider for a bigger tire. The sur Ron X has a wider range of Plug and Play parts that you can buy right off the bat and with the taleria you will have to hunt far and wide. Personally I like both and I would take either and I wish you lots of fun on your ride. Great video keep pumping them out there.

[@conalonza2436]

hi dude stuff have you ever done a folding ebike I think it would be a great style of ebike I have a Amin folding bike and it's a really good bike I have thought about putting a e Moto on it but not confident anoth for that love the vid mate

[@DudeStuff]

I'll do a folding bike this week 🤟

[@conalonza2436]

@@DudeStuff can't wait to see it mate lot of love

[@oSkullz_]

Ok really quick does that chain come in blue

[@NoodlesTBograt]

OK if you have somewhere to ride it I personally would not go on road

[@MACRONOne]

Why not get the road legal version then?

[@ash0787]

cant afford them because I made the type of bike Andy used to show a lot instead, my bike runs well enough but its range isn't quite what I expected and the geometry seems pretty poor compared to a mountain bike. I feel like the Sur Ron is the most popular design for good reason. For most people I would recommend just going with one of the cheap hub motor bikes, if they dont go straight for the Sur Ron.

[@davidcald5975]

looks great but you looked cramped up on it been over 6 foot .🤗

[@jsrides2065]

How much is that beast?

[@groundbeef662]

I'm local and know that area, is that still against the law even in that off road location ? I assumed you could take it in a van to be used there no probs ?

[@billt1954]

Ground Beef. Hello mate, I don’t own a Sur Ron but I do have an E bike and would love to ride this park. Could you please tell me the name of this place? Thanks.

[@groundbeef662]

@@billt1954 Hadleigh Castle , near Benfleet. Where the 2012 Olympic mountain biking course is.

[@billt1954]

@@groundbeef662 Thank you my man. I’m only about 25 minutes from there so I’ll give it a go, come springtime. 👍

[@nigelrodgers820]

Smashed it appears

[@fastcarssicktoys9325]

Recognise that area. Hadleigh

[@blueflamingo6307]

Quality !!!

[@RP-xb3vh]

The cow test tho …👌🏻🐮

[@DudeStuff]

🐄🤠😂

[@dredfxcustompaint]

I do like the look of them but they have been abused by the younger generation in the streets p%%ing people off so the police hate it Wait till I get the yamaha 5000e up and running 🤣🤣 now that will be a treat for the police well that's if they can catch me 🤪 Great video Steve thanks for sharing 👍

[@soft16stick70]

Great way to get points on your licence

[@user-ki6id4vt8u]

How so

[@soft16stick70]

@@user-ki6id4vt8u 15.5mph pedal assist.. all that's allowed in uk

[@mckidney1]

The noise is killing me :)

[@mastergraphic9998]

It sounds like something is damaged

[@mckidney1]

Nah it sounds like a classic high speed gear reduction for mid-drives. It is just so annoying on something that was designed to be stealthy.

[@lukewalker1051]

@@mckidney1 Another reason not to buy one. The Sur-Ron and CYC mid drives have that awful whine. Bafang BBSHD doesn't do that...dead quiet. Its the gear reduction....likely all metal gears...but more than that. Its the RPM that gives them their power...which is created by higher amp controller with field weakening in combination with bigger voltage.

[@ashpunting]

My thoughts are the same I would buy one tomorrow if I could ride it on the street so for now I'll just stick to a fast ebike mate 👍🏾

[@bazjr86]

Buy a just eat bag online and the cops won't bother u

[@James_Innes]

@@bazjr86 Sadly the police were out in force last evening in Tottenham Court rd. stopping the food delivery guys on ebikes.

[@triciamcintyre4947]

bought an electric MTB last year,sent it back 25 kph is too slow,what size of hub motor will I need to get 25mph out of it,don't want much faster because I will max it out and get it taken of me by the coppers,cheers👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🚴

[@garymartin557]

500 watt would do you just fine.

[@mckidney1]

You might just be limited by configuration. Most direct drive motors are designed for 25mph optimal speeds.

[@jimmyallen9927]

My cube 250 watt will get me to 35mph or just under 60kph on flat lol

[@michaelbrinks8089]

You can't get them registered as an e-moped or e-motorcycle there in UK? You can get them registered everywhere in USA to ride legally but many areas will pull you over if it's unregistered. Many small towns in my area will let you ride it, even dirt bikes, ATV's & golf karts as long as you're not riding like a dickhead on it. At least here in USA you can ride a 5,000w e-bike pretty much everywhere you want as long as you're not speeding & it looks like a standard e-bicycle with pedals. Technically it's only supposed to be 750w max but the huge majority of cops won't bother you, unless you're speeding or riding stupid. If it looks more like a motorcycle (without pedals) than a bicycle, that's when it starts to become an issue.....I built a 40 mph, 2 stroke motorized bicycle because it's way cheaper & I can't afford an e-bike right now. I wanna sell some items & get the money to build a nice e-bike so I can ride everywhere without any issues. I might just add a FWD motor & small battery pack to my 2 stroke bike to make it a hybrid....That way if I see a cop give me the stink eye. I can kill the engine & switch to electric before he has a chance to me over. Also the FWD motor would provide a 2wd power boost up steep hills since I only have 1 engine gear/no transmission. Also looking into a small alternator/generator connected to the 2 stroke engine that would recharge the e-bike battery when riding.

[@danielbowler-y7v]

MAAAAAAAATTTEEEEEEE HAHA. That bit about them being chavvy drugdealery bikes really came to fruition didnt it geez, i agreed with you back then and you were spot on 😂 Your a boy for dropping that all the way back then. Id prefer my 72v 3000w mtb blender anyday. IM STILL IN BITS AT HOW ON POINT AND NO FUCKS GIVEN YOU WERE ABOUT IT WHEN NO ONE WAS SAYING IT.

[@justjak2007]

It’s more of an E-dirt bike than Ebike

[@lukewalker1051]

If you get caught speeding in the UK or in America on that thing as you state, the police are going to give you a ticket or confiscate it. Its too slow to ride like a regular registered motorcycle out on road with cars. No-man-land basically. Its ok for riding it on private land if you are a rich guy with a lot of land and have kids and want them to be entertained, but most will buy gas dirt bikes for this because they have more power, jump better etc. So the Sur-Ron for me is lost in the shuffle. Doesn't look like a bicycle. Doesn't have pedals...or if you add them, they are a joke. Can't really ride an electric motorcycle on public bicycle paths. The type of mtb's you convert with 2K watt motors are best. I prefer a mid drive BBSHD Bafang mtb for an 'ebike'. I own two. One is a roadbike with dropbar and skinny tires and it flies...but don't hit a big bump on it because that will leave a mark. ;-) Other than that, I want a gas engine motorcycle for more power and range and if I have to register it, that's fine....I have a motorcycle license. A Honda Grom, gas powered 125cc has 10 hp and will do 60mph for 100 miles and no Sur-Ron can do that. Same money. Grom any day of the week or Trail 125. I don't think America is as penal on Sur-Ron owners...we have 28mph class III speed rating acceptance for e-bikes but depends on the jurisdiction in America. Never heard of one 'crushed'. That seems absurd and if the policy in the UK, the citizenry has to voice its collective outrage and change your laws. Otherwise, the world will be inherited by dimwit nannies that never got any sun exposure.

[@willfullyinformed]

It's not nearly that complicated or concerning, you're blowing it way out of proportion. 99% of states accept the working pedal kit you mentioned. Get the pedal kit from Kaniwaba, you can also install their very nice pedal assist sensor which makes it 100% legal on the road as a class 2 e-bike (working pedals with throttle) even without the assist sensor; this will work for local trails, parks, etc. that accept e-bikes, so long as you don't speed or act like an idiot, and the bonus is you have the power/range to get up/around anything. If you are extremely concerned, or still being harassed for no actual reason after being responsible/legal, then buy the Sur Ron bicycle seat from Kaniwaba and it will make it look just like an e-mountain-bike if appearance is the main issue. The reason to still get this over an e-mountain-bike in my opinion is the power to climb anything with ease among other reasons. As far as the road goes, you can easily get your simple moped license in most states, or get a motorcycle license - just put turn signals on the Sur Ron; the STOCK is around 45 MPH, that's plenty on most normal roads. You can also snip the green limiter wire and get about 55 mph, it's plenty fast for being on normal roads and most people avoid highways simply because it's a death wish with how many mindless people are driving in their metal death machines. You can go a step further and upgrade to the 72v battery/new-controller and get around 85mph which is more than a enough, but it will cost you more. Cheers

[@leewalker3871]

These things suck! The riding position is awfull. Especially for a taller rider. You should review my bike mate...

[@18ct]

Just checked it out, similar to my build. I'm running EEB frame same as you, with 22s li-po, 92.4v @ 4.2v/ cell, sabvoton 72150 controller, grin cycle analyst v3, mxus 3kw v3 3T motor laced in a 24" Halo sas rim. Currently running on Turnigy packs, three 6s and one 4s in series. Can't go beyond this voltage as I'll blow sab mosfets. Currently tamed down to 100a, as turnigy packs rated 12-24c. But I have some Tattu li-po laying around rated 25c. I'm planning to solder some qs8 connectors and turn up to the full 150a potential. That'll tear the skin off yer porridge. That's a theoretical 13,800w, 18.4hp. Minus voltage sag under load. Which there will be, as I'm not running any packs parallel...at the moment. I prefer the lighter weigh and don't need the range.

[@leewalker3871]

@@18ct nah that was long ago. I've upped the game since then I'd upload some images but don't think I can. Pulling almost 18,000 watts now on a falcon v2

[@Bboymoped]

Spot on the drug dealers and chavs ruining it for us all. I'd love one but as you say lack of places to ride legally and a trailer /van combo won't work for me as I can't have a driving license as if I could then I'd just buy the road legal version.... You should try a talaria sting next and let us know your thoughts on that.

[@ashpunting]

So true people like us who ride Responsibe should be able to ride them on the road like ebikes but like you said they've ruined that for us people 😒 👍🏾

[@MACRONOne]

utter nonsense.

[@user-ki6id4vt8u]

@@MACRONOneIt’s not nonsense unless you’re a biased English chav yourself.

[@cskeise]

💙👊😎

[@FlyingFun.]

Nice bike but UK laws make it useless. I'll stick with my ebikes, as long as it has pedals and you stay under 20mph ish the police arent bothered.

[@lepke3133]

Could never ride this in London. Those central London watch thieves ride around on these.

[@user-ki6id4vt8u]

What happens if you ride it though ??

[@porterhouse5502]

roadmen bike lol, from us no issues yet 🤞

[@officialmunroe5036]

I do know what your saying and your right tbh in England or London to be exact . The surrons are getting noticed 😳 teenagers driving around on them stealing watches and robbing people it's so bad now given sur ron a bad name . So now anytime they see one there onitsha straight away . I guess u can get the pedal kit which isn't too much n pedal at times when they spot u 🤣but me personally I'm offffffff

[@harveyuu2606]

Every time when you go round a corner and put ur foot down makes me cringe, that's a really terrible idea..

[@DudeStuff]

Is very normal off road

[@harveyuu2606]

@@DudeStuff weird, what if you hit a root or tree stump when going 30/40mph could defo cause some damage no?

[@TheOffroader7458]

Hi I've been told I'm a winner, I know it's a scam. You need to let others know

[@DudeStuff]

I posted twice in my community about it. Reported it 4 times to youtube and keep banning these fake accounts it's getting a nuisance.

[@TheOffroader7458]

Shame you can't ride them on any public highways

[@EMTBOllie]

They are honestly CRAP! buy a proper motorbike, they are cheap Chinese rubbish, mainly designed for people who hate pedalling a normal bike or EMTB or can't pass their bike test and afford a real bike

[@nGAhGENVH0Ul]

Did you actually ride one?

[@DEADLYVIPER1998]

Be careful there someone pretending to be dude stuff getting you to add them on telegram. To then say you won a ebike. Which seem fishy due to the fact I haven't heard dude stuff state/say Anthing about no ebike give away.