The Perfect Storm | Episode 23

[@asadullahsaaid3794]

*Timestamps:* 0:00 - Intro 1:35 - EF Dawah Panel joins 2:32 - Format of the stream 3:03 - Catching up with each other 4:41 - *Stand on Scripture (Taylor) joins* 4:59 - Taylor shares his beliefs 6:54 - Taylor's reasons for not accepting Islam 10:48 - Scrutinizing Taylor's Beliefs 21:27 - Testing the Reliability of the Bible 31:47 - Is the Bible historically valid? 38:52 - Lost Laws in the Old Testament 49:24 - Did King Josiah obey the law? 1:11:52 - Review of the discussion with Taylor 1:15:51 - Showing the Unreliablity of the Torah 1:21:37 - Oral Tradition of the Jews 1:23:32 - The Torah not being Preserved 1:28:26 - The Torah & Bible being corrupted 1:34:32 - No Historical Evidence of the Exodus 1:38:44 - *Joe (Christian) joins* 1:40:52 - Joe answers Imran's issues with christianity 1:49:43 - The Injustice of the Original Sin 1:57:49 - No Reconciliation with God in Christianity 2:01:22 - Biblical God only choosing specific people for guidance 2:04:24 - Issues with the concept of Original Sin 2:14:47 - Salvation before Jesus' Crucifixion? 2:19:13 - Babies' fate after death in Christianity 2:24:20 - The Doctor's Diagnosis of Joe's answers 2:27:08 - No Justice & Forgiveness in christianity 2:28:51 - Joe's response to Imran's arguments 2:32:12 - Does God get hurt by Sins? 2:41:02 - The Heresy of Patripassianism 2:42:21 - Scrutinizing God's justice in Christianity 2:47:50 - Did Jesus choose to be Crucified? 2:50:55 - Discussion on Punishment & Justice in Christianity 2:59:53 - Dawah to Joe 3:06:03 - Contradictory beliefs of various Christians 3:07:34 - Closing Remarks SubhanAllah ❤️🤍💖 Amazing Stream 👍🏻👌🏻 _May Allah ﷻ bless you all and accept your efforts._ 🤲🏻

[@noenamfam]

Assalamualaikum my brother... thank you very much for the timestamps as always.. may Allah bless you for your effort..

[@asadullahsaaid3794]

@@noenamfam ؤ عَلَيْكُمُ السَّلاَمُ وَرَحْمَةُ اللّهِ وَبَرَكَاتُهُُ بارك اللٰه فيك أخي ❤️

[@EFDawah]

Jzk Khairan Saaid :)

[@maryeve3984]

✝ The Biggest Joke Ever 👉🏻 The Bible Exposes Christianity ✝ Super tip for the Christians 👉🏻 Don't Use the bible to preach Christianity Tactic of Christians to fix this H0LE 👉🏻 Attack Islam with false allegations 🤦‍♀

[@quranchannel4622]

Jazaka ALLAH kheir

[@AyubKhan-md4km]

Brother Abbas and Brother Imraan are the epitome of being a gentleman, may Allah bless them, their families and also all the others in the Dawah field abundantly for all their efforts to bring the proper understanding to Islam

[@rumanajannat9909]

Seriously just because a stuck Christian who had no answer said a lot of lies about Ijaz now you colonised people have to believe the Christian, who actually left the stream like a school girl. Brother Ijaz is the most polite speaker out there!

[@AyubKhan-md4km]

@@rumanajannat9909 may Allah's (SWT) blessing always be over you and your family. May he bring softness in your heart and greater understanding so that you don't have to label Muslims like me for my views

[@rumanajannat9909]

@@AyubKhan-md4km assalamualaikum brother, aameen. I just don't understand why you excluded brother Ijaz? You must admit he is a gentleman, His knowledge and etiquette are on another level for such a young brother. May Allah give us understanding to not be judgemental me first aameen.

[@AyubKhan-md4km]

@@rumanajannat9909 walequmsalaam. You didn't read my message clearly. I said may Allah (SWT) bless all brothers in the dawah field

[@princesskhiya3446]

Dr Imran saying "nah yuh haffi overstand" is the best thing I've heard all day 🤣 🤣🤣 love it

[@predatorL89]

I like Joe. Probably one of the nicest christians i've seen on this show. He would make a good muslim. May Allah guide him. Ameen

[@quranchannel4622]

Ameen ya RABB

[@AliQ893]

At least he's sincere and doesn't use the usual "mental gymnastics". May Allah guide him and all of us.

[@habasoosy2202]

I feel like when Tailor came on he was basically saying he doesn't believe in Islam because it contradicts the Bible in certain areas (animals you can eat in the bible etc). The brothers should have asked why he thinks the bible should be the standard to measure against? Especially when there is proof there are contradictions and mistakes in it. The Quran is the muhayman, and it is the truth and the standard to measure. Many things are abrogated by Allah, and a new shariah has been given. I wish the brothers would have delved deeper into that with Tailor in the beginning, would have saved a lot of time.

[@abutalsafuba2179]

Agreed, The Hamza effect was missing. It went off on a long unnecessary discussion.

[@Slimho]

True i think sometime brothers may forget to tackle most important point. But i understand them we all humans 🤘

[@javed6598]

I really miss Hamza from these streams.

[@Astaqfirullah9]

Definitely! We love all brothers for the sake of Allah.

[@AbdullahAlMamun-iv7er]

What happened to him??

[@ibraheemq7859]

@@AbdullahAlMamun-iv7er he left ef dawah😢

[@ahmedamin3116]

@@ibraheemq7859 why

[@ibraheemq7859]

@@ahmedamin3116 I don't know

[@schy5446]

Allhamdullilah another amazing stream. May Allah bless you brothers.

[@homtanks7259]

💯

[@usopp0021]

At this rate, ppl can just come bullshitting and get away with that….. no bad cop to control the bullshit anymore

[@gurutruthspeak598]

Taylor didn't feel cornered... His life raft burst and he was thrown overboard... He had to run before he drowned!

[@dagoorey3534]

Topical whitman's mentality, CAN NOT accept being proven wrong by other race ie,, Asiangoodvibes

[@rumanajannat9909]

[@shiroboo525]

😂🤣😂🤣

[@ALzzanam]

جزاكم الله خيرا

[@amadoudiallo7525]

54:24 This is a passionate spirit 😂😂😂 Br .Ijaz is the best May Allah reward you

[@jimfromwakanda7991]

Thank you brothers

[@zoezoom110]

Masha Allah, beautiful stream💕💕💕

[@banimil1982]

Selam. Baby steps for a lot of the brothers in humanity. In these instances we muslims realize the most precious gift that Allah has granted to us, guidance through the fog and confusion of disbelief, misinformation, ego, arrogance and personality disorders. Share the only Gift that matters in this life before death embraces many brothers and sisters in humanity. Praise be to Allah for continuing to bless humanity as much we don't deserve it. Selam

[@abumansaray7]

Well done, Ijaz. Taylor, being direct is not the same thing as being rude. Ijaz was not being rude at all.

[@dagoorey3534]

Topical whitman's mentality, CAN NOT accept being proven wrong by other race ie,, Asian

[@abumansaray7]

@@dagoorey3534 Inappropriate comment, tbh. You come across as having an inferiority complex. It has nothing to do with race. I don't endorse your comment.

[@dagoorey3534]

@@abumansaray7 You have NO knowledge. Think again...

[@freeman7983]

Masha ALLAH

[@Toronado2]

To Joe Talking about Sacrifice. Can you tell me which is a TRUE/REAL Sacrifice? Your God who Sacrificed Two Nights and a Day out of His Whole Life OR Someone who Sacrifices His WHOLE Life till the End of Time, forgoing all the Pleasures of LIFE? Which would you say has really Sacrificed something? Which would you say is a GREATER Sacrifice?

[@mozabeta7003]

Taylor rides a bike…. Puts a stick in the front tyre… It’s all Ijaz’s fault!

[@ayoubalraees5171]

Was fantastic

[@homtanks7259]

JazakAllahu khairan

[@mohammednasirmiah7715]

This is going to be fun 😄

[@leonidasanaxandridas6163]

Taylor playing the victim when he got caught defending the indefensible 🙄😅.

[@gurutruthspeak598]

@2:01:50 "Do they deserve guidance Joe?" "No, not from the biblical... No one deserves guidance. We actually all deserve death". Christians in preach mode: "God is love!"... "Jesus loves you!"..."Islamic Allah doesn't love anyone!!!"

[@ihatechriss]

'Ijaz, you're rude and you hurt my feelings, i dont want to talk to you anymore' 🙄 Stand on Scripture, you're a princess mate. Toughen up!

[@gurutruthspeak598]

Taylor, go back to Bob! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤦‍♂️

[@abuzaffarmohammed9561]

Salam brothers ;; This should be Episode 24, There's episode 23 you recorded earlier--- Pls Correct!!! Jzk

[@clownshoe69]

Can someone please explain why Hamza left this channel?

[@homtanks7259]

it's simple Abbas more polite, Hamza direct and don't like restrictions and therefore goes his own way

[@clownshoe69]

@@homtanks7259 Hamza is more direct and doesnt allow waffle. Whilst Abbas is also a great guy i do prefer Hamzas approach and how he gets to the crooks of the argument. Sometimes being firm and taking no nonsense is the way to go.

[@canigetasubforgoodcomment6054]

@@clownshoe69 thats not how Dawah is done it's entertainment.

[@clownshoe69]

@@canigetasubforgoodcomment6054... And thats not how you get SUBS.

[@Suleiman212]

The two final questions asked of Joe were not answered in the slightest... "Is the principle of justice that all of humanity has intuitively understood throughout human history, that crimes of different magnitudes are not all equal, actually unjust?" "Any small sin is just the tip of the iceberg for much more evil under the surface." Okay...? So if someone steal a chocolate bar, they should be executed, because that's just a small taste of their true, corrupted selves? Is that what you think is a just system? "If you were a judge, and a grandfather committed a crime, and the grandson asked you to punish him instead, would you punish the grandson in his place?" "If I were a zombie child, you should kill me." ... What?

[@nasamin5972]

Where is hamza?

[@homtanks7259]

He has his own channel it's called: Hamza's Den, on KZbin

[@nasamin5972]

@@homtanks7259 I know about his channel from day 1. I watch the arena and other live streams but I don't know why he is not coming on efdawah anymore

[@homtanks7259]

@@nasamin5972 it's simple Abbas more polite, Hamza direct and don't like restrictions and therefore goes his own way

[@knowledge8783]

Is Hamzah no longer part of perfect storm?

[@woodriver5011]

No he decided not...

[@mrstandupguy]

I would love to find out too. He did mention on another stream on his channel that he is no longer with EF dawah

[@90nadz]

Such a shame, why did he leave EfDawah anyone?

[@nawazhemmuth8506]

@@90nadz arrogance probs

[@fais.mislan]

@@nawazhemmuth8506 Don't assume brother..

[@focus7624]

This guy Taylor is more sensitive than the " Touch me not plant".. 🙃🙃

[@donyahelwa]

With all due respect. No perfect storm without Hamza!

[@homtanks7259]

Is good to have more dawah related streams/channel's ... you're not helping anyone with your whining

[@arshatarifin7442]

Nahh

[@abumonjur3571]

i actually prefer it like this. I think hamza works better on his own channel

[@joy8801]

EFDAWAH perfect the way it is, there is Hamza den and arena it is also perfect the way it is. Both channels different and wonderful dawah. Lets support and not complain brothers and sisters

[@Slimho]

I think Hamza better stay at Arena. Like him there 🙂

[@arabianknight0000]

No brother ijaz, it does not take mmmmillions of years for things to fossilize. It amazes me how you brothers talk about scientism but yet are unwittingly in its trap with many things

[@AdrianMuslim]

👍✨

[@NisarKhan-fk4rq]

Ron Wyatt says that Moses went to Mount Sinai which is in Saudi Arabia and there's evidence for the but it proves that they went to the Kaaba 🕋

[@cure4islamophobia649]

SUNNAH & SCIENCE: EVERY MAN HAS 360 JOINT BONES 'A'ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "Everyone has been created with three hundred and sixty Joints. Whoever mentions Allah's greatness (says Allahu Akbar), praises Allah, extols Allah, and seeks forgiveness from Allah and removes stones from the path of the people, enjoins what is good and forbids the evil to the amount of those three hundred and sixty joints (sulama), he walks on that Day (of Judgment) having distanced himself from the Hell fire." Abu Dharr (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated the Prophet Muhammad said (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him): "In every morning there is a charitable act on the joints of any of you. Every tasbihah (to say: subhanallah, i.e. Glory be to Allah) is a charitable act; every tahmidah (to say: al-hamdu lillah, i.e. Praise be to Allah) is a charitable act, every tahlilah (to say: la ilaha illallah, i.e. There is none worthy of worship but Allah) is a charitable act; every takbirah (to say: Allahu akbar, i.e. Allah is the Greatest) is a charitable act; enjoining the right is a charitable act; forbidding the evil is a charitable act. However, to fulfill that charity, it is sufficient to pray two rak'at of Duha." The word "Sulama" in Arabic refers to the joint. It can be also used for all the body bones and the joints between them. Most of the body bones are movable, but some are fixed as those of the skull. The Explanation of the Hadith The hadith clearly directs Muslims to be grateful to Allah, the Almighty, Who dignifies and honors man, over all other creatures, by giving him a straight upright skeleton. It has been created of a huge number of big and small bones and cartilage. Between every two bones, there is a joint to enable the bones and to protect the body's soft parts. These joints enable the person to stand up, sit down, lie on his side, bend, stretch, etc. Every Muslim who worships Allah, Glorified be He, must be grateful to Allah for every one of these joints, and offer a charitable act, in way of gratitude to His Creator, for this great blessing, without which life would have been impossible. It is amazing that the Prophet Muhammad said (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) mentioned the number of the body joints so precisely, at a time when nobody had any idea about human anatomy. Even now in the 21st century, many people still do not know the number of joints in their bodies, including many professors of orthopedics. I asked many of them, and their answer was between 200 and 300 bones, and around 100-300 joints. Likewise, many international encyclopedias avoid giving an exact number of bones and joints of the human skeleton by classifying them into major groups or subdivision. The Encyclopedia Britannica classified them into three subdivisions: 1- The Axial Skeleton: which consists of the bones of the vertebral column and the majority of the skull bones. 2- The Visceral Skeleton: which consists of the thorax (the ribs and the breastbones), the lower jaw and some parts of the upper jaw. 3- The Appendicular Skeleton: which consists of the bones of the pelvic girdles, shoulders and limbs. The Hatchinson Encyclopedia, published in 1995, mentioned that the number of bones in a human skeleton is only 206 bones. In his book titled, "The Journey of Faith inside the Human Body", Dr.Hamid Ahmed Hamid mentioned that the total number of the human body joints is exactly 360, as the Messenger of Allah(peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) stated 1400 years ago. According to Dr. Hamid, the details of these bones are as follows: First: 147 joints in the vertebral column 25 joints between the vertebrae. 72 joints between the vertebrae and the ribs. Second: 24 joints in the thorax 2 joints between the bones of the sternum and the thoracic cage. 18 joints between the sternum and the ribs. 2 joints between the clavicle and the scapulae (shoulder blade). 2 joints between the scapulae and the thorax. Third: 86 joints in the upper extremity 2 joints between the scapular bones. 6 joints between the elbows. 8 joints between the wrists. 70 joints between the hand bones. Fourth: 92 joints in the lower extremity 2 hip joints. 6 joints between the knee bones. 6 joints between the ankles. 74 joints between the feet bones. Fifth: 11 joints in the Pelvis 4 joints between the coccyx vertebrae. 6 joints between the bones acetabulm. 1 joint of the pubic sumphysis. “Total number of joints: 360” Those joints, mentioned in the hadith, are the movable joints in the human body, which give the ability to the vertebral column and hence the whole body to move freely. The immovable joints, as those joining the skull bones, are not counted here. The movable ones are also known as "The Synovial joints", for they contain a fluid known as the "Synonvial fluid". This fluid allows friction-free movement of the bones by reducing direct contact. For example, the hip joint, composed of a ball-like head of the femur that fits into a socket-like depression of the pelvis bone, makes the hip and the whole leg movements easy and flexible. Another example is the Hinge joint, which enables man to easily bend his leg. Another type of joints is called "The Gliding joints" as that of the radiocarpal (wrist) joint. In this joint, the facing bone surfaces are in most cases flat, allowing the bones to glide freely in several directions. The joint between the two upper vertebrae has a special structure. It allows the side movement of the head, through the rotation of the ball-like head of one vertebra into the socket-like depression of the other vertebra. Were it not for the joints created by Allah the Almighty, man would not have been able to move one bone in his body. The defect in one joint causes a lot of pain and problems.

[@onecreator.9708]

Tailor made a Runner. Come back Tailor defend your self

[@mansurhafiz]

First caller didn’t deserve being hung up on. I don’t like that Abbas and Imran never step in and correct Ijaz for being hostile. Don’t make excuses when he can clearly feel the vibe Ijaz giving off. More direct is fine, sas and dismissing is not cool. As Muslims we correct our brothers when wrong, we don’t click up like other religions and gather in wrong.

[@bilalsuboh1423]

Yes he did

[@alikkk824]

I swear i hate stereo types. I was listening wjth head phones just looked at the screen realising this gentleman is white...

[@0799234937]

there was no storm just small wind

[@MediaRants]

I would like to thank EFDAWAH for bringing up the supposed "contradictions" of 2 King 22 because after carefully studying it, it has come to my attention that there are two different times being spoken of Josiah as King at 8 year old and then him 18 years later finding the Torah and coming to realise they had fallen from the Truth... You can be righteous in the way of David from 8 year old and then fall away from righteousness later at 26 year old. I have added this to my arguments against Islam as well as supposed contradictions and I thank you for this.

[@myuzairy7324]

🤣🤣🤣

[@abutalsafuba2179]

Lol, You tried to give an argument without being privy to the text, which shows your insincerity. You should have said you're not familiar with the context of the text instead of making BS up.

[@MediaRants]

@@abutalsafuba2179 That is your opinion, and I studied and I brought the answer.... BOOM! your Muhammad couldn't tell you what real unclean animals are... And he married a child fact

[@MediaRants]

@@abutalsafuba2179 I also have a live stream debunking these thanks

[@ash2crimson968]

Lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ZeroCelsius777]

At 1:05:12...Ijaz says that King Josiah TEARING his CLOTHES was breaking the Law. I suppose that you are talking about the Law given to the HIGH PRIESTS who have their own covenant and must do things that the rest of the people don't do. One of them is Leviticus 21:10 King Josiah is NOT of the High Priests of Levi

[@ircrmedia1263]

Abbas: your title should read Lead Vocalist, not Head Vocalist.

[@2212funkyfresh]

Brother Abbas a bird is indeed an animal

[@pandarcywalkington6595]

Jason left to do his shahada

[@slsa915]

Joe bro was cornered so many times and he had no response and kept waffling his way to the next point. I don’t think it’s a good idea to go on so long with someone who has no answers to so many core theological problems.

[@AliQ893]

You got it twisted. He said multiple times that he doesn't have a good answer to the question, and that only proves that he's sincere enough to admit it. His sincerity is what will hopefully open his heart to the truth Insha'Allah

[@slsa915]

@@AliQ893 if he’s sincerely looking for it, May Allah open his heart to the truth. Aameen. But I didn’t get nothin twisted. I’ve been listening to Christians debating for 30+ years. Trust me he was waffling. No Christian believes God can be harmed or damaged. That’s just coming up with bull when you’re cornered.

[@homtanks7259]

2:39:49 😄

[@youmirin153]

this stream needs hamza to school some of these quests.

[@Solemn_G]

May Allah guide Joe to accept Islaam.

[@haroonnawaz4702]

Taylor your rude .Full stop ✋️ he is a hater don't come on i f you cannot handle the storm get off the show

[@shiroboo525]

Taylor cant handle the wind..

[@ZeroCelsius777]

At 1:37:49...I'm not following you here. Are you claiming that the Exodus didn't happen, or questioning the number of people? Allah clearly tells us in Quran that the Exodus did occur, right? By the way Ijaz, the Sinai Peninsula is still in Egypt. They left Egypt. Mt. Sinai is in Arabia. They wandered in Arabia

[@Solemn_G]

They aren't questioning the Exodus, they are saying the number of people mentioned in the Bible is illogical. Compared to the Qur'aan which mentions that they were a small group which makes more sense.

[@ZeroCelsius777]

@@Solemn_G I see. Thanks for clearing that up. Yeah, of course that amount can't all camp at the shore. To feed that many is also an impossibility. Many things added later don't make sense. Like Noah (PBUH) taking 7 pairs of the clean animals and 2 of every unclean animal on Earth. For instance, Polar Bears and Alligators never lived in Noah's part of the world.

[@knowledge8783]

I love Ijaz as person, especially with the knowledge he has but I do agree with the guest that he was at times unreasonable in his approach. What then bothers me more is that the panel defends it. This is not the behavior of our beloved prophet Mohammed PBUH

[@ijazthetrini]

There's nothing unreasonable in the approach used, being direct & terse in debate is not only accepted it is encouraged. The Perfect Storm is meant to be direct, it's the whole purpose of the stream. Please let me know where I was unreasonable or a narration from Rasulullaah ṣalallāhu ʿalayhi wa sallam where he forbade this form of munazara.

[@knowledge8783]

My comment is just an opinion and not intended to be an attack but just an observation, may be subjective on my part. When Allah Azzawajul instructed Musa and Harun PBUT both "Go both of you to the Pharaoh. Lo! He has sinned. Speak to him a gentle word, so that he may listen or feel fear." ( Qur'an 20:43 -44). However, I am not by any means a Da'ee so to be frank, I am in no position to criticise or give advise.

[@ZeroCelsius777]

@@knowledge8783 Yes, you quoted the perfect ayats. Br. Ijaz is still young and abrasive like a horse that still needs to be broken in. People who are ignorant of what they are talking about tend to be more aggressive. Br. Ijaz was saying that 2 kings 22:2 was a LIE. He failed to read verse 1 which would've told him that verse 2 is talking about that entire 31 year reign. Meaning, AFTER the book was found. He also needed to read 2 Kings 22:18 - 20 I don't know if Ijaz is at all familiar with the line of the kings. Keep in mind that what is being said is that there was the GREAT KING HEZEKIAH, and after that the GRANDFATHER & FATHER of Josiah who are said to be the most EVIL KINGS ever. Then the "ship was righted," so to speak with Josiah being made king. If Ijaz were to read their history in the TANAKH then maybe he would understand better why the people were in that state and how the books were "hidden" (not LOST). REMEMBER, HIS FATHER King Amon was killed because of all the evil he was doing against the LAWS.

[@shiroboo525]

@@ZeroCelsius777 And How old was Josiah when he became a king..was 8 or 18.

[@shiroboo525]

@@ZeroCelsius777 Dont understand why you defend the Book of Contradiction..😂

[@amalabatir9495]

Abbas "We to rat" :)) :)) :))

[@homtanks7259]

😆

[@ZeroCelsius777]

At 1:06:15...Easy...because you failed to read verse 1. It says that Josiah ruled for 31 years. Verse 2 means that in that lifetime of 31 years of rule King Josiah changed all the damage his father (Amon) and grandfather (Manasseh) caused when the Book of the Law was found at age 26. That is why you have 2 Kings 22 verses 2 & 18 - 20. Read 2 Kings 23:3...And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the Lord, to walk after the Lord, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, to perform the words of this covenant that were written in this book. And all the people stood to the covenant. Now read ALL of 2 Kings Ch. 23 This is what 2 Kings 22:2 is talking about. This was done within his 31 year rule stated in 2 Kings 22:1 2 Kings 22:2 does NOT say that King Josiah WALKED IN THE WAY OF DAVID HIS FATHER...before the Book of the Law was found...but, it refers to what he did AFTER the Book of the Law was found before he died and as 2 Kings 22:20 says...GATHERED INTO THY GRAVE IN PEACE. 2 Chronicles 34:3...For in the eighth year of his reign, while he was yet young, he began to seek after the God of David his father: and in the twelfth year he began to purge Judah and Jerusalem from the high places, and the groves, and the carved images, and the molten images.

[@MediaRants]

I have just noticed you missed the point he was righteous in the ways of David 2 Kings 22:2 when he is young he did right but then in 2 Kings 22:3 it says he is a different age when he found that they had been doing against the Torah when they found a copy of the Torah scrolls. So you can be righteous as a child but then in the 18th year of his reign he had found out that they had fallen away from it because of the Torah they found... So for example: Taylor Stewart keeps the law and is right before Yehovah God from say 8-18 years old.... But then 18 years after I have reigned so lets say i reigned at 8 and 18 years after that is 26 year old I had fallen away from what I had known as a child up to say 8 to 18 year old and some where between 18 and 26 I and Israel had lost our ways... You can be both at 8-18 righteous and then at 26 turn to have done wrong... this shows your lack of understanding and I actually missed this when I was talking in the actual moment... So now you have evidence it is two different times when he was RIghteous and when he fell away because he didnt keep the Torah

[@homtanks7259]

1:17:06 interesting

[@homtanks7259]

2:32:13 What? 👀

[@disndat6271]

Abbas's voice sounded tired.

[@homtanks7259]

OK and now?

[@ZeroCelsius777]

At 1:32:30...Br. Abbas...admit that you don't know the earlier scriptures and just do as Allah says and ASK THOSE WHO DO KNOW. Simple. Quran 10:94...But if you are in doubt as to what We have revealed to you, ask those who read the Book before you; certainly the truth has come to you from your Lord, therefore you should not be of the disputers.

[@shiroboo525]

Quran not going to help you buddy.

[@shiroboo525]

See..when your Bible said ..If A Prophet is decieved and speaks a word, I THE LORD HAVE DECIEVED that Prophet . Ezekiel 14:9 It discounted ALL those Sriptures..😊

[@ZeroCelsius777]

@@shiroboo525 So, that is your argument against the order of ALLAH subhana wa ta ala? No Allah I will not obey you and FOLLOW the GUIDANCE of the earlier prophets (PBUT), because... SUNNI SECT people are too brave when challenging Allah Allah is NOT one to be challenged. No WISDOM & Understanding at all.

[@knowledge8783]

No offence to the panel, but out of courtesy, you must let the guest have his say and then proceed to correct him. I feel that the panel was rather unfair when speaking to "stand on scripture" even though he was firmly wrong in all things. We as muslims must remain humble despite the overwhelming knowledge some of us may have.

[@ijazthetrini]

There was a 45 minute long segment where he was allowed to say whatever he wanted, however he wanted. A change of pace for 10 minutes with a different interlocutor doesn't mean it is unfair. If someone cannot answer a question, and engages in a "woe unto me" session, then it is fair and right to stop the irrelevant babbling and redirect them to the question. This isn't an interview stream, it isn't a Christian sermon stream, this isn't a hold my hand in conversation and cuddles stream, it's a stream to directly put a guest's beliefs *to the test*.

[@Slimho]

Disagree. He was given time and kept waffling

[@carliemorales204]

Knowledge, Do your own channel and SHOW us how to do it. You already have the necessary requirement -- KNOWLEDGE.

[@abutalsafuba2179]

Nope, sometimes you need to steer the discussion if the guy is waffling which SOS was doing.

[@arshatarifin7442]

Nahhh..they have been given time to speak.

[@MediaRants]

I have realised where the misrepresentation come around the 44 minute mark we were chatting about the supposed misrepresentation or changing of the Torah, then you jumped to 2 Kings 22:8 that they found a Torah and you imposed that the Torah was Lost which is not what it said, it simply says they found a copy of the torah in the temple they found the torah doesn;t mean they didnt have torah's in different synagogues, but I was led to believe because of verse 8 being read out of context that they were the sinners but the context is not Josiah as a sinner but their fathers, so I mis spoke and I apologise but you guys also misrepresented and changed your goal posts in relation to the Torah being lost and Ijaz said who says the torah was lost ... This is exactly what we were debating.... So stop changing the goal posts and we could have dialogued and not had ijaz being rude interupting frequently. So we were all in the wrong I am just man enough to face I was wrong in parts. 46:45 minutes you imposed that KinG Josiah sinned I said they sinned (talking of Israel) this is what mislead me to think we were talking of Josiah then you said he was righteous later, but then sinned... Josiah didnt sin. There was simply a mix up with where the conversation went.

[@ZeroCelsius777]

At 57:02...that Stand on Scripture guy should've hung up on them right here. That young man Ijaz was being impertinent, and Abbas instead of being the adult in the room and asking Ijaz to just "chill out," he starts this monologue about who knows what.

[@MediaRants]

@@ZeroCelsius777 Not only that but they kicked me for defending myself... Muslims do not wish to truly dialogue with Unitarians ... I admit I was a bit quick to speak on 2 Kings 22 however they made claims which were not true, and I just assumed they were right they mentioned around 46 minutes mark that Josiah was the one who sinned it explicitly states God was angry with them because of their FATHERS not josiah ... But I do accept I was quick to talk rather than say I will go away and look at this in context and respond later. The Muslims however lied it doesn't say they lost the book just simply they found it in the temple, they know the temple would have copies of the Torah as do synagogues ...

[@MediaRants]

@@ZeroCelsius777 Also notice they said they would talk about how their quran didnt know the unclean animals of Camels lol and they didnt insted they kicked me they fear Unitarians because they knew it didnt say the Torah was lost

[@ZeroCelsius777]

@@MediaRants Most of the time I don't listen to the whole video I fast forward a lot. I saw where Ijah was hammering you on 2 kings 22, but didn't listen to why. I am from the tribe of Judah (black American) and am MUSLIM (Mushlam in Hebrew). If Ijaz was saying that King Josiah sinned, then why did he bring up 2 Kings 22 which CLEARLY says he did not. 2 Kings 22:2...And he did that which was right in the sight of the Lord, and walked in all the way of David his father, and turned not aside to the right hand or to the left. Read ...2 Kings 22:18 - 22 You may not be aware, but the SUNNI SECT people do not believe that we (Israelites) had FEMALE prophets; so, why is Ijaz bringing up this chapter anyway?

[@ZeroCelsius777]

Okay, I went back and listened to what Ijaz was saying. Wow! He never met the guy (King Josiah) and just wants to attack his character like that. The easiest question I would ask Ijaz is what about ALL the others that are said to be perfect and righteous, etc. BEFORE the TORAH was revealed? One example would be... Job Ch.1 verse 1...There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil. How could that be without a TORAH? What about prophet Muhammad (PBUH) before he met Gabriel from age 1 - 39? Would Ijaz say...And he did that which was right in the sight of the Lord, and turned not aside to the right hand or to the left? HMMM?! However, if IJAZ would read 2 Kings 22:1 then verse 2 he will see that verse 2 is talking about HIS WHOLE 31 year reign...meaning AFTER the scrolls were found by the scribes and taken to prophetess HULDAH (PBUH). Again, he must finish by reading 2 Kings 22:18 - 20

[@HussainFahmy]

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[@wardashimon-australia33]

The Gospel: Plain and Simple “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.” - 2 Corithians 11:3 Ask someone today if they are saved and you will most likely hear responses like these: “I have accepted Jesus into my heart.” Or “I have made him Lord of my life.” “I’ve been baptized.” “I said a prayer.” Sounds all good and churchy don’t it; but it is difficult to de-termine whether or not a person actually knows the gospel that saves them. These use￾less phrases don’t describe a thing about what the gospel is and has left a devastating effect of people not knowing what it is that they are saved from nor how they are saved; which leaves a more serious effect of people ques￾tioning their salvation. Let’s not muddy the simplicity of salva￾tion that is in Christ with vague church sounding phrases that do not communicate anything. But rather present God’s word with clarity and assuredness. So here is the gospel: plain and simple. Sin was passed upon all men by one man Adam, and death is a consequence of this sin (Rom 5:12). Mankind has an eternal destiny of condemnation and wrath - Hell - because of this sin (Rom 6:23). No matter what good works one might do we are still found sinners in the sight of our Creator God. And all un￾righteousness and those who follow get in￾dignation and wrath. We cannot be found righteous for by God’s law we are found sin￾ners (Rom 3:19-20). If we have broken even one law we are found guilty. It is for this reason of not being able to create our own righteousness and being born in a sinful flesh that we need a savior (Titus 3:5). Christ is that Savior, God manifested in the flesh, sinless, died in our place on a cross 2000 years ago. Taking upon him the wrath and judgement that was intended for us sin￾ners. And it is through his bloodshed, burial, and resurrection on our behalf that we are able to have peace with God and forgiveness of our sins (1 Cor 15:1-4, Col 3:14). This good news is unto all but only those that believe in it are made righteous in Christ (Romans 3:22). It is then after we have heard this good news of Christ’s righteousness available to us freely, that we are sealed with the Holy Spirit and we are now part of Christ’s body the church (Eph 1:13) There is nothing that we need to do, no good works that are required, and no bad works that can separate us from our new po￾sition in Christ (Romans 8:35-39). Faith and belief in this information from God’s word is the gospel. The gospel is not accepting Jesus into your heart. The gospel is not making him lord of your life, it is not saying a prayer and it is not being baptized with water. So next time someone asks you if you are saved. Give them the clear assured answer “Yes! And let me tell you why Find more free resources at: www.graceambassadors.com

[@michaelevans4110]

No one, that worships a man, is "saved". Jesus was sent by (John 17:3) "the only true God", which Jesus called "the father".

[@wardashimon-australia33]

@@michaelevans4110 1 John 5:7 KJV - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

[@michaelevans4110]

@@wardashimon-australia33 Check: LEXHAM ENGLISH BIBLE "For there are three that testify, 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood, and the three are in agreement." Footnotes 01 John 5:7 Later Latin manuscripts add the following words to v. 7 and v. 8: "in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the holy Spirit, and these 8th three are one. And there are three that testify on earth" Conclusion - The "Lexham English Bible", exposes the later additions (corruption) in your manuscripts. Later revised Bibles add to the corruption of your anonymously written New testament. I don't trust corrupted books to "save" me from hell-fire but you do.

[@michaelevans4110]

@@wardashimon-australia33 For there are three that testify, 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood, and the three are in agreement. Footnotes 01 John 5:7 Later Latin r er manuscripts add the following words to v. 7 th and v. 8: "in heaven, the 0 te Father, the Word, and the it is Spirit, and these a d 8 th three are one. And there are three that testify on earth" I don't trust your corrupted books. The Lexham English Bible has exposed your false religion.

[@4i4ui4i4u4]

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