The pilot shortage and what to do if you’re a student pilot

[@wildblueaviation9500]

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[@electricaviationchannelvid7863]

Where did you get the data about the helicopter pilot shortage being more severe than the fixed wing? I am really interested which way to go…

[@tstanley01]

The pilot shortage isn't real. They have more 1500 hour applicants than they can process...Regional PIC is where it is at right now, because people were fleeing to other carriers before getting qualified...that has stopped and hiring is going to return to normal over the next 36 months...that whole hiring frenzy is over, probably forever...

[@reggiepaulk]

In my experience, the way to get your foot in the door is to have multi-engine time. How to get enough logged without going bankrupt is the question.

[@ericlane3256]

MEI

[@reggiepaulk]

@@ericlane3256 good point, but that’s a slow road.

[@ericlane3256]

@@reggiepaulk you can’t go fast if you don’t have the money.

[@JM1701ABCD]

Everyone who talks about this just brings up the same talking points they've heard themselves...no one ever shows any data to show there is actually a shortage.

[@marcochavez11]

There is a shortage.

[@rjobrien7805]

There's a shortage of qualified jet pilots with over 1000 hours of turbine PIC. 300 hour pilots with a commercial multi IR and CFI are a dime a dozen.

[@floydragan]

Only stating there is a pilot shortage is not an argument

[@rjobrien7805]

@@floydragan And your counter argument is....

[@danbuffington75]

@@rjobrien7805 is right. The real issue is at the top. Thank Congress for that one...

[@steelers4srilanka]

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[@dannyCOTW]

If there really was a pilot shortage then airlines would contribute towards training. It will always be cheaper for them to cry wolf.

[@2WhiteAndNerdy]

Bingo! Companies across all industries used to train people from the ground up. These days you have to be a unicorn candidate, that is if your resume doesn't get auto-shredded by those stupid ATS systems to begin with. Most applications are never even seen by human eyeballs. Then they all complain about various worker "shortages." 😭

[@ThunderGuppy900]

There isn’t a shortage of people willing to pay for training, most of us would have given an arm just to fly. The shortage is from how many years it takes someone to go from zero time to legally qualified to fly as an ATP rated first officer and even MORE so as a captain especially in a part 121 airline. At that point they do contribute as you are paid during training and put up in a hotel, given all the resources to succeed and these days probably receive an insane signing bonus… again especially on the captain side because of …. How SHORT they are on captains.

[@dannyCOTW]

@@ThunderGuppy900 You are right, it is easy to be cynical. However this situation didn't sneak up on anyone. As the cost of training goes up, competent candidates are pushed away. And, as employee satisfaction goes down, fewer people are drawn in. If an airline was truly desperate they would start a cadet program and work to increase job satisfaction. It's not that complex a problem, just expensive.

[@ThunderGuppy900]

@@dannyCOTW so do the Cadet programs offered by United, American, Delta, Southwest, Mesa, SkyWest Piedmont, PSA, Republic or Envoy not count? Again, there isn’t a shortage of people willing to go pay for their flight training, there is a shortage of people who have 1000 hours of part 121 time who are eligible to be a captain. At my airline we have enough FOs but nowhere near enough captains which is why they are overused and paid and insane amount of premium pay and bonuses.

[@marryson123]

Working ground for an airline still won't get you pass that 1500 hour requirement. That's an FAA requirement and probably the biggest hurdle.

[@dl1965]

People please don't get scammed, this is Not true, a commercial pilot here been looking for a job for over a year now and no one is hiring Even the little shit box called ceccna 210 are requiring 1000 hours of experience and whatever job u applying to is also asking for that kind of experience, Like survey pilot job they require survey experience of over 500 hour Pipe line patrol, same Sky dive pilot, same Bush pilot, same Don't be a pilot, I and my family regret paying over 150k for nothing

[@wildblueaviation9500]

There are 2 things going on here: the pilot shortage and you having a hard time getting a flying job. 1) the pilot shortage is real. I work with over 20 small companies across the country and they can’t find pilots…with experience. There will never be a shortage of 300-hour pilots. But there is shortage of pilots with 1000 hours or more. 2) as for you, my friend. I got 2 good offers before I finished flight school, back in 2008 (when it was HARD to get a job). And since October, 3 people I’ve coached have gotten jobs on a King Air 350 and survey jobs on C-172s. All had under 300 hours. In my experience, new pilots rely on jobs ads too much, have a resume with only flight school or don’t perform well in the interview. I have a program that works, my friend. If you want some help, send me an email and we’ll book a Zoom call to see how I can help. [e-mail] Good luck! Keep going. The first job always has been and always will be the hardest to get. You have to fight for it and you have to want it…BADLY.

[@marcochavez11]

Get the training to be a CFI and you will build hours while working as an Instructor.

[@aerialbugsmasher]

Your mistake is not being a CFI. CFIs are in extremely high demand. Also, I graduated with $200k in aviation student debt right into the 2008 recession. Having my CFI is what saved my career, though it still wasn't until 2011 that I finally got my first flying job. But if you're going to give up that easily, then you had no business being a pilot to begin with. Hell, you don't even know how to spell CESSNA correctly. That says a lot about you.

[@patriceschrama2625]

My CFII friend just got hired by a regional airline. He has 1700 hours.

[@marvinhaagsma9177]

If you can’t spell, you can’t be a pilut

[@zetareticulan321]

Maybe if flight training weren't so damn expensive...

[@foodandsleep2417]

fuel selector valve inop.

[@Aeroknots]

Hey Sir, what did you mean by working on the ramp?

[@wildblueaviation9500]

Working on the ground for an airline, typically loading and unloading bags, washing aircraft, unloading lavs (toilets) and other grunt work.

[@Aeroknots]

That's Awesome, I didn't think anyone would hire a ramper who just picked up a fresh CPL with relatively low amount of hours. I personally refuel airliners on the ramp (Not employed at any airlines, my company is Menzies), and I am working on my IR atm. @@wildblueaviation9500

[@Timemachine429]

😂😂 I’m not doing that for anyone I rather stay flying my Cessna once a week

[@crankfotton]

There isn't a shortage of anything. Its all there.

[@scottw595]

Just get your CFI.

[@philipmensah9528]

Or go to Europe , just get EASA / CAA done ( ATPL) 13 exams done and fly an A320 after school.

[@joshuaquinn7858]

Please elaborate for me. I’m a dual citizen of America and the UK. Can I just fly over to Europe and do it your way. If so what are the costs? And can I fly in America afterwards? Thank you very much!

[@philipmensah9528]

@@joshuaquinn7858 you can now get your EASA exams done in the United States. The cost varies , depends on time you registering for the program ( EASA ) ATPL . Cost could range from 1990 to 2500 dollars - online training. Company headquarters is in Hungary 🇭🇺 but they are authorized to do EASA training all around the world from Dubai , UK, United States , Spain etc . Only 13 theory exams can be done. If you want to work in Europe on a 737 or A320 or 21 , you can get this theory done and have your type rating done wherever you want . When you get a job in Europe , work for a while and move to states ….. I personally hate the 1500 hour rule in the states because people finish flight school at 250 hours and flying 737 or A320 in Europe but you need 1500 hours to get into the airlines in the states and that’s long . 1500 in Europe is eligibility to be captain whiles in states is for getting into airlines . Very ridiculous rule for me . If you want more details of the program am talking about for European route . My email is [e-mail] … you can let me know your name etc and will give you more details on this program .

[@RM-lz8wr]

What about down to one pilot or even pilotless airplanes? Even the climate change challenges. How can it be a good time to become a pilot? $100k spent for a maybe these jobs will still be here in 10 years?

[@jessemorgan3589]

Most trains still have drivers, and they’re on rails. Yes, technology is growing rapidly but not to that extent. The next 10 years is very safe for job security.

[@RM-lz8wr]

No one in the right mind will Invest $100k+ on 10 years of stability.

[@jessemorgan3589]

@@RM-lz8wryou’re right. The industry will be totally collapsing in 10 years. No hope for any pilots as self flying battery powered cars will be swarming above our heads. (Remind me again why most trains still have drivers?) But in all seriousness, if you’re looking for an “investment”, being a pilot should not be on the list. Pilots who go into it for the money, all end up bitter an twisted and usually don’t last long because it’s clearly not what they thought it was. Go into it because you love aviation, and you’ll have a good life. Piloted aircraft will be around for a long time yet.

[@joelv4495]

@@jessemorgan3589 I'm not worried. Flying cars have been "coming soon!" since 1950 or so... I'm also not a commercial pilot though.

[@33themajor]

Advertise more. Show young kids there is a need for pilots and there’s great earning potential in this career.

[@topofthegreen]

There is no pilot shortage, unless you ask a flight school.

[@1974BabyNewYear]

…or a Chief Pilot of a commercial operation. Who do you fly for?

[@kigen818]

You clearly don’t know shit about the industry. I never understood why you and people like you enjoy talking out of your ass with ZERO knowledge.

[@rapinncapin123]

​@1974BabyNewYear He flies in his mind when he's dreaming 🤣

[@kigen818]

Clearly you don’t know shit about the industry so please stop talking out of your ass.

[@mbekka1]

@@1974BabyNewYearhe flies in his basement 😂😂😂

[@videogameplayer0552]

0:53 So you’re telling me that 1500 hours is no longer a requirement for a regional job?

[@kigen818]

It’s still a requirement lol

[@videogameplayer0552]

@@kigen818 Then I’m not sure what he was getting at

[@kigen818]

@@videogameplayer0552 after you get your 280 hours and get your commercial, you gotta work as a flight instructor to build the rest of the 1500… well you dont HAVE to but most folks like myself arent pissing money to just buy or rent a plane and fly around burning thousands in fuel maintenance etc lol

[@ryandickson2224]

1500 hours is getting people into some more desperate major airlines sometimes

[@ericlane3256]

@@videogameplayer0552regionals aren’t the only first charter job. There’s Part 135, which he mentioned, that only require 500TT but there’s nuance. Usually insurance determines the minimums even Part 135 operations require.