The Poke System SUCKS 【Mortal Kombat 11】

[@thebestthereis2729]

NRS: "we want our new game to encourage and reward smart play" Geras and Scorpion players: D1,D1,D1,D1!!!!!

[@cyanure1320]

but there are also smart players like d1d1d1,grab or d1d1grab or d1d1d1 teleport , d1d1,overhead or d1d1d1d1d1 back dash combo string, the real mind game in mk11 online is trying to predict how many d1 he will do before doing something else and the basic d1d1d1d1d1d1 stay a viable choice too

[@D4Deyo]

@@cyanure1320 dude you forgot d1 into nj, can't forget about the random jumps

[@cyanure1320]

@@D4Deyo yes but it is for the players advancing on the golden road to the holy d1d1d1 nj teleport combo so at this point he leave the d1d1d1 mind game road for another one

[@cyanure1320]

@Deaven Does Not Exist do you mean fighting game where 4 frames tart up + on block down pokes lead into combo and pokes even combo into themself in this way you can hit confirm your pokes , i ll agree than pokes are frustrating and not particularly fun in my opinion particularly online and yes there are big mindgame with pokes but no poke are not more advanced or powerfulll than in other games. but yes in myopinion i think they need to change pokes and make them more minus on block at least for the fun aspect and because in my opinion this should generally be more risky to steal your turn back in this game

[@cyanure1320]

@Deaven Does Not Exist not i m not ( at least when i say they should change them) but i m a little harsh sometime sorry, i think they are not very powerfull compared to other games but not fun to deal with

[@ijurassicjakei689]

D1,D1,D1,D1,grab. heh, betcha didnt see that coming i am a genius.

[@JC_43]

Geras be like

[@doom7607]

D1 d1 grab

[@valestiaaa]

Ced Boi people so surprised when we block their grab and D2 punish them after poking 5 time because they’re so predictable

[@ethancoleman9034]

This channel is so vastly underrated

[@thebestthereis2729]

When it has anything to do with MK content, this is the best one

[@10pmmemes88]

This channel is dog shit. Or should *cut* I *cut* say *cut* dog *cut* shit.

[@narcisolopez9576]

Y’all tripping Best mk channel is pndk&m

[@Aliziion]

Nothing triggers me more than being poked out of my poke advantage

[@cyanure1320]

yes in fact it s the real problem because mashers are not concerned by latency, timing and reaction even if i counter poke and go with a 10 frame mid when i m + 10 i m never certain to not be poked again

[@thwwinner6138]

@@cyanure1320 most people don't even know or care about frames they just want to a get a hit in

[@Aliziion]

Sometimes ignorance is a blessing

[@thwwinner6138]

@@Aliziion It's really not lol it's only bliss

[@jahmilly937]

@@NsaiyN fr it makes stand 1 combos almost useless outside of a punish

[@mkdeity3610]

I really hope this stage makes it way to Mk11

[@MrBlckskys]

This stage reminds me of how much I really miss stage fatalities.

[@thebestthereis2729]

OG alongside the Pit

[@briancalixx]

MKDeity maybe, it had a whole design in the story mode

[@sabalghoo]

Every stage in MK9 is amazing. And a lot of them were already remakes from the classic trilogy games! I really hope they add at least a couple of DLC stages in the future. I would still be happy if they add the Pit again, A NetherRealm stage, the Living Forest... They said they plan on supporting this game for a lot longer this time, so fingers crossed

[@mkdeity3610]

Sabalghoo yeah they really are amazing. Hopefully the dead woods comes back as well

[@PauloHenrique-bx7ft]

Finally someone talked about it

[@joshbennett7439]

I honestly thought I was the only one

[@prosketch95]

Mk11 pokes and throws are unbearable

[@PauloHenrique-bx7ft]

Sorry josh.. i didnt know you talked bout it

[@joshbennett7439]

SickMind CWB well I more said it to myself during games

[@jacobmcconner6537]

It's such real talk bro

[@underthemayo]

REO is 100% right on this. Listen up. The poke mashing started with Injustice. Mk9 never had this issue.

[@ftwname]

Injustice was poke meta because poke into combo was possible

[@3lectronX]

You could poke and get a combo in injustice 2 I think

[@MichaelMitreski]

i been poking since mk1 ya fuckin mk9 newbs

[@NickIntoTech]

Michael Mitreski so you been a scrub since mk1? Lol

[@isaacflask]

@@NickIntoTech Damn you really just did him like that lmao

[@Horrorfreak106]

NRS feels the need to constantly change shit even if fans or gamers alike liked the things in the previous games.

[@rohansensei5708]

They removed mobility, fun combos, hard to read mixups and not punishable skill using in neutreal play and placed it with boring, footsie-focused and grab&zoning spamming gameplay.

[@Horrorfreak106]

@@rohansensei5708 I would actually argue that the footsies in MK11 is WAY better than the BS 50/50 mixups from MKX.

[@VIZOR_AxK]

@@Horrorfreak106 Exactly

[@joshbennett7439]

Rohan Sensei and wake ups, I don’t see why they need to make changes to things we already loved

[@VIZOR_AxK]

@@joshbennett7439 Wake ups in this game are amazing. In mkx if you don't have a bar you are fucked. I am glad the separated offensive and defensive bars

[@InsomniacFGC]

The simple fix for MK11 is to make pokes more minus on block and more plus on hit.

[@Time2GoHam1995]

Insomniac FGC this. I would like every d1. to be -7 and for Subzero, Erron Black Adam Geras to have 7f d1s instead of 6f (so they can’t punish other characters d1s). The majority of the cast have at least 13f mids (although I wish there were more 9f-12f mids) so if the opponent wanted to mash d1, then they would get counter hit by a mid string which could be confirmed for full combo. Which ends up making it so that the opponent’s d1 is blocked, then they have to respect the mid/throw mixup. Making them more plus would also be great, the player should have enough time to see that the d1 hits and then be able to still guarantee their turn.

[@irlredline7965]

Hell yeah some characters like Kitana who counter poking sucks her d1 is -6 and 9f on start up her d4 is -7 10f on start up and her d3 is 7f on start up -5 but has like no range

[@Jspore-ip5rk]

That is exactly what I was saying since mkx

[@Armanell0]

The only thing need to be changed is block advantage. It should be much more less. -7 or something like that

[@Armanell0]

@@Time2GoHam1995 +10 on hit is already really huge advantage. It's more than enough.

[@pardss9737]

Finally someone who has the balls to make a video on this. I want Gg's, not poke mash and grab.

[@isidrolara951]

I couldn't agree more. Smash and grab fuck that!

[@pauls6448]

You forgot jump 3/4. That is all 50% of the MK11 community does. Pump 3. Poke. Throw. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat.

[@pardss9737]

@@pauls6448 I mainly play with friends. I was tempted to go rank for those skins . I learnt today if the guy switches his console off you don't get the win. It counts as DNF: did not finish. I'm now back on mkx. MK11 most over hyped trash.

[@pardss9737]

@@pauls6448 maybe even more than 50%. I don't get why you want to spend £80 just to grab.. It's near mind boggling.

[@pauls6448]

@@pardss9737 throws are OP in this game, yes. But you just have to go to the practice lab and practice teching them for a while. I got my techs down now and it's almost impossible to throw me now. All the people that rely on that shit to get wins don't know what to do know... 😂

[@TheBatman2120x]

Geras is Mr. Down 1. I hate these mashers. 😒

[@thebestthereis2729]

Its Mr. Krushing blow in my book, but yeah that also

[@thrulifegear4709]

Jax players are worse

[@Time2GoHam1995]

Ian Ramirez his 9f mid f3 lol.

[@HashTheGrappler]

Ian Ramirez not one person said he was top tier. They just said he has WAAAAAY more than just poking. He has 2 crazy good mids that have 50/50s.

[@HashTheGrappler]

Morgan Freeman Jax already has busted frames. He barely has anything punishable.

[@TheBosolin]

Yeah pokes are annoying online in mk11. Make them -7 on block so you can take your turn back properly.

[@zeldosan5138]

that's the worst idea ever

[@QuestionMarks420]

no

[@dieoxin]

Zeldo San Carr to explain why you say it’s not a great idea? TheBosolin has given a reason why and you’ve not really given a reason at all.

[@dieoxin]

Google I don't want to use my name a one word reply, why is it a no? I’d like to know as I see D1 all day long.

[@zeldosan5138]

@@dieoxin no

[@wweslenderman7567]

Just make pokes -6 or -7 and give them more hit advantage so your guaranteed a turn

[@pjefsquad]

Agreed! This kano i fought poke and kept poking i tried to punish but noooope.

[@fwuellner15]

@Onyx Ocelot ur stupid even in 40 ping scorpion can just spam d1 in this game. Then he can d1 on block walk back, make ur counterpoke whiff an punish you. Even pros complain About pokes They are so broken in this game i dont know who Decided on this

[@eddymetal]

@Onyx Ocelot "Even most tourney players mash." That's a problem, dumbass. Mashing shouldn't be the meta.

[@v0rtex116]

@Onyx Ocelot You're the low IQ here, it's about D1 being -3 or -4 on block, which gets them another turn too often. Go learn Mk, the poke system makes it possible to mash in some match-ups. Current poke system advantages scrubby mashers.

[@anthonyboy]

My turn is guaranteed after I block a poke. Am I missing something?

[@ajray7665]

Getting thrown out of my Down+1 is infuriating... & neutral ducking to anticipate a throw is very risky.

[@whiteRiot18]

Which makes the fact that some characters have godly mids and lows, and some have God awful mids and lows even more of a problem

[@greatdaner81]

I played a Shang Tsung two days ago who did nothing but down 1 throw and I could do zero against it. I almost lost my mind!

[@pauls6448]

@@greatdaner81 the funny thing is Shang has really good plus strings. There is no need for this strategy if you want to keep advantage. F212 is the truth with Shang.

[@williamcalhoun883]

I think the best way to fix people mashing poke might be to just decrease the chip and add more pushback when blocked. That way if it's blocked, they can't really gain an advantage. I think pokes in mk11 should just be used to check overly agressive opponents, or to abuse gaps in strings.

[@MEETHEGROUCH]

Well said.

[@emceedonald4933]

I'd rather poke this Kitana

[@simpleclonetrooper2740]

they can shame us for loving MK9 titties i'm a straight male god dammit!!

[@scarface2307]

Only thing with mk11s graphics it would look too realistic

[@kedarriussimpson1085]

Lol the good ole days of mk. Nrs turned to a bunch of bitches 😭

[@hero.581]

Mk9 girls looked ugly as fuck. Yikes

[@doomyboi]

Everything above the neck was a no-go, but everything below was good to go.

[@frerf355]

Thank god someone made this video. This game is more heavily based on the neutral and blocking, and when most of he lower tier characters starting strings for combos are highs poking is absolutely ridiculous and it becomes nearly impossible to get anything started (Johnny Cage mains Wya). Poking in this game is really annoying and I’m glad someone made this video

[@Greciler]

I'd say we should all start playing MK9 but then I remember high level play Kabal.

[@pauls6448]

Tiny hop plasm ball for the win!

[@pauls6448]

I miss high level Johnny and Jax play in MK9 though. Dash standing 1 combos were the truth

[@Greciler]

@@pauls6448 infinite free dash cancels too. The god of everything.

[@ShinDarkShadow]

I love the fact that dash cancels were kinda execution heavy and not ‘braindead’

[@KaanYener07]

@@ShinDarkShadow he wasn't really hard,but if you didn't practice enough,your fingers would get exhausted really fast.I remember doing cancels.

[@kraventhehunter1495]

If the poke system were to be fixed, I think we would see a vast change in the games Meta. We wouldn't see characters like Sonya, Scorpion, and Geras picked 8 out 10 matches. I don't mind playing against them, I just would like to see variety.

[@DNice5865]

Sagatru the big 3

[@Winabagel23]

I still never run into other Geras players

[@joshbennett7439]

And Sub Zero

[@crisshardy]

Well, im not a pro player, but Im playing a lot MK11 and watching tons of videos, and to be honest most of professional players and big KZbinrs are right, the game is broken, sadly. Sonya's strength is not about poking, she is op because her 50/50 build, its hard to believe how someone came out with the idea of give a character 50/50s so easily, and not only that, the problem is that even if she misses the strings is hard to punish or counter combo her. The problem is. All the S tier characters have "things" that others characters lacks, which makes the game impossible to balance.

[@superxdish]

@@crisshardy the problem with Sonya is not that she is 50/50. Is that her 50/50 starts with the same button, B1, so you have to guess. If it was one combo with the low and other with the high it would be better cuz is no guessing game, just reaction time

[@nekeoh3474]

Reo, you make me miss MK9 so much 😭😭

[@offended323]

Because mk9 does certain things better than mk11 and if they implemented them, they could make mk11 the best game it can be.

[@tobiasboon8496]

Same man, I’m gonna fire up my 360 rn 😭

[@bigimportantman1544]

The poke stats are different for different characters. It’s all part of the balance and adds a deeper element of strategy to the game for specific matchups. For example, Johnny’s down 4 is +16ish. If he had a universal poke stat that wasn’t an advantage over other characters, it would take away from a lot of his pressure potential because that poke frame traps. Also, the pushback from blocked pokes varies. Keeping track of what hits were used and blocked to whiff punish your opponent JUST outside of their range, is a much deeper element of strategy than universal pokes.

[@mcmuffin9275]

I do enjoy the element of learning each move and what it does on block or on hit but it also is annoying when people poke me 5 times in a row lol. I think for the most part though, when they start doing that, by the 3rd or 4th one they whiff and you can punish the shit out of them. That's what I've mostly noticed in my matches at least.

[@avreildavid5244]

Most of my losses in ranked are because of d1 d3 mashers. Especially when the game went to final round and they are just going ham on mashing d1 d3. Like okay buddy take the game.

[@spacemanju7]

Hop attacks are useful against d3 d4 and grabs but you can b poked out of the hop attack from a d1 which is fuckin stupid

[@cryuncle9826]

@@spacemanju7 When they first mentioned hop attacks during reveals it sounded like the perfect response to counter jokes. But like you said most d1 will just knock you out of it

[@crooseveltharper]

Then they talk shit or teabag you like its skill, I love and hate this game at the same time. They need major character balances, they only cater to who is popular at tournaments...which also helped destroy fighting games

[@SpaceO2]

Spaceman Ju7 hop attacks are hit and miss, especially online.

[@darkperson8832]

Hate how the gameplan for some characters is to d1 constantly. Even at high level i see geras erron and scorpion players do too 2 d1 and continue pressuring on block. But the worst thing is there are so many people online that believe poking on block is still their turn. You could punish them everytime for that and they still mash.

[@Shockwave231]

You could only punish with a down 1 thats why they mash. Theres no risk to mashing unless someone has a 9f mid and even then they have a 1/2 frame window most times to interrupt the d1s on block so if u play Jacqui and you are 2 frames slow on someone mashing you wont even punish you just trade

[@spacemanju7]

Yea geras d1 is borderline broken

[@Nah2998]

@@Shockwave231 This is too true. When I run into D1 mashers I try to out poke them with Noob's 9f mid but their D1 still hits me first and it's the only good mid Noob has so I'm forced to just use my own D1.

[@Shockwave231]

@@Nah2998 Its difficult especially online, then it turns into a mashing war and you have to try and react to if your d1 hits or if they finally block or else you give up your turn trying to react to d1 on block vs d1 on hit. Its just stupid af. Like some1 else said, make d1s -7 on block and +13-15 on hit.

[@KombatRealm]

Mk9 is the greatest mk of all time. Period.

[@jaydel3]

but kabal was too stupid and so was Sonya and several other characters. That's why everyone used the same characters in tournament.

[@Rick.Grayson]

Nah.

[@1hitgamer]

Hell no.

[@MrDoorChime]

Fr

[@pauls6448]

I agree. I miss MK9 so much. The tag combos were broken AF though

[@bdpchamp]

I feel like MK 11 implemented the flawless block mechanic to stop poke spam/abuse situations but the timing of it isn’t consistent enough on these characters with super fast pokes like Sonya, not to mention the counters you get off of them are limited by meter so yeah it’s a problem

[@outworlddragoon]

MK11 online : Poke poke poke 50/50 guess throw throw throw jump back spam projectiles poke poke poke repeat over and over again.

[@HTKahs]

Scorpions poking then grabbing is so annoying

[@toadslap9749]

HTKahs Duck after the poke, easy kounter hit

[@jmack8230]

ToadSlap then you get hit with a mid lol

[@toadslap9749]

@@jmack8230 If you play against someone who likes to follow up with throw all the time you read tf out of them and uppercut KB, online 101

[@honeybadgerftuw]

@@toadslap9749 You can't after they poked it's their turn smh

[@toadslap9749]

Nooo Nope i’m talking on block my bad

[@VastlyGames]

100% agree. I miss MK9 so much. Aside from Kabal being broken due to his constant meter building, I think it's the best one so far. It's definitely my favorite MK to date. I do think MK11 is much better than MKX though.

[@ohhai9020]

MK9 is the best MK ever made, the roster is perfect, no cassie or jacqui, the kombos were awesome, the costumes were amazing. The whole game is just leagues ahead of every MK.

[@d4cheartbeam]

Agreed👌👌👌

[@milk1691]

its not about the plus frames on the screen, its about the plus frames in your heart. -Big D

[@KiuLang]

Sonya and Jacqui are also the Flash. faster than you no matter how quick you react. forget the poke, let em fix the damn characters...

[@JC_43]

Nerf these fuckers, including Geras

[@mixes1228]

Sonya is actually fucking ridiculous on corner pressure

[@schmodizzle4465]

Why do we not have these sorts of stage fatalities in the game any more ? This was all part of the fun

[@MaskedGuyCh]

MK is becoming less and less MK. These little things all add up.

[@schmodizzle4465]

@@MaskedGuyCh totally agree man. Wish they would put a couple in at least. Mk 9 was so much fun

[@D4Deyo]

I thought I read in a leak somewhere that they are adding classic stages such as the living forest or acid pit as dlc. I could be wrong though

[@epaine_]

There’s one stage brutality I know of on the desert map where if you throw the deer skull at your opponent for the final blow it’ll stick to there head but it’s pretty underwhelming

[@schmodizzle4465]

@@D4Deyo I hope so

[@icecoldtruth3478]

Kounter hitting pokes and getting more frame advantage might be a slippery slope because picture jacqui using 9 frame mid, doubling her frame advantage on kounter hit, then unlocking cancel combos because of the extra hit advantage, then her 9 frame mid becomes a resourceless launcher

[@Taychillin]

Thank God a video like this came out. I am tired of these d1 mashers. They do a kombo and then when that kombo don't work they somehow go straight to d1 while mashing it aswell. Also Jade's d1 needs a fix cuz I can never get away from her.

[@jknintendo]

I find it funny that a Jade is trying to D1 you honestly thats fuckin silly if you get nabbed by a d1 on Jade just block the follow up if she doesnt go for a grab, if she does go for the grab netural duck and punish. if she continues to d1 then try to get a flawless if you can. If you cant, she's minus 4 with a startup of 7, so you have 11 frames to try something immediately. Usually a d3 will do the trick due to pushblock, and at that point Jade is a lot more threatening because of midrange, but if you dont like her being in your face then its a valid option.

[@TheScorpio1999]

4:07 and onward is a GREAT yet simultaneously simple question to ask. "Do you guys see what's happening right now?" Cause it depends who you ask and it auto-gauges one's fighting game experience. The second I saw you doing this in the vid, I saw it. It's pushback. Something I don't really see in MK11 on ANY given down 1. And since NRS can code pushback on Baraka's chop-chop, there's no reason they can't do it on enough down 1's.

[@Afr0Thund3r]

It's there, BARELY.

[@DragonStrke12244]

Imagine if somebody had a 6frame d1 that was a crushing blow that led to full combo 😂😂😂

[@NickIntoTech]

1 frame Teabag that leads to a non breakaway combo that does about 50% at least

[@akariced456]

True. Jacqui for instance, is plus as hell after a down 3. Anyone can just down one and instantly go into a throw.

[@drugjoza5000]

Literally having a character with superior pokes can get you a free win bc the other one's frame data prevents them from getting out of combos

[@juggernuts1000]

People just dont get it, the poke game in MK11 as well as buffing the shit out of almost every character with every update, is meant to take out the skill factor in the game, in order to draw more casual players into the game and let them beat skilled fighters. games that focus on complicated systems and reward skills are out of buisness. perfect example is virtua fighter. very techniqal game, but whats the problem? the skilled players that want to invest themselves into it are a small %. the majority of the gaming community is the casual noobs. and they will stick with the game and buy it, if they can win without much effort. even tekkn undertood it, and this is why tekken created the gimicky characters like alisa and nectus alongside with the hardcore characters, so that everybody can enjoy the game. pro players playing the hard to master characters like kazuya or jin, and noob players picking up alisa and nectus and doing crazy shit. mortal kombat is taking this understanding, and creating a game where its most of the times a toss up between who will win the fight.

[@Shibu_PL]

Best comment ever.

[@HashTheGrappler]

increase hit advantage and increase recovery of pokes and give characters that lack good mids a good mid to punish mashers.

[@CAPITAL202054]

Mortal Kombat 9 is still better then mk11 and mkx combined lol.

[@norrisgordon1497]

Spamming down 1 and grab is so annoying in mk11

[@opsm4817]

Great point. Just another reason why MK9 was so fun

[@iClone316]

The poke system is the reason why I went back to Injustice 2. Well, that, and the stupid throw system in this game.

[@Annokh]

How different throws are now? Aside from being the only real mixup most characters have, I mean.

[@takaking333]

Annokh because throws work better than mids and can get a KB

[@umerali2349]

The throw system is pure foolery, if you predict a throw and press throw it should tech, not flip a coin game

[@Annokh]

@anothersettlement It's the same as in every MK game of NRS era. But it appears to me people hate what hits them, and so happens MK11 has a lot less things to be hit with up close than in, say, MKX, so throws took place of 50/50 starters as a thing to hate.

[@Annokh]

@@umerali2349 I'm pretty sure option select still works. Or did they patch it?

[@iloveTSA]

This is also why there's a thing such as Counter-Hit frame advantage.

[@kutana4863]

Reo I have a question, what's your stance on the meterbuild system in MK11? I personally am not a fan and preferred the previous "do something get something" systems, but I wanted to know your opinion of it and how you think making it time based instead of action based effects gameplay.

[@TBContent24]

it has a lot to do with the way NRS is chasing realism nowadays. NRS is animating so many new block stun animations where the character reacts to specific attacks, some of the animations play out and are a lot of frames. When a move is blocked and the movie is -12 but the block animation takes a while to play out, it's hard for the player to know when the animation is over and they can punish that -12. Back in mk9 days, there were very few long block stun animation since it was very basic, but that ended up making things easier to punish

[@clay_reznor647]

MK11 is superior to MKX but it is inferior to MK9. That tells me that NRS deliberately make problems. Subzero is the only character in MK11 that can start a combo string with a low or an overhead. Also, Sonya players spam their projectile and what frustrates me is that I try to dash or jump over but once I make it half way through the screen, and if I block, I get pushed ALL the way back to the wall. I can understand blocking and getting pushed back from spamming punches or kicks, but why push me with projectiles?

[@lugardboy]

I have gone back to play MKX. Nothing touches that game

[@noahemerson2935]

Thank you for covering this. Sooo many people play a poke spam play style and it just makes the match annoying and frustrating.

[@mohammedjaffer3222]

Modern fighting games try to attarct casuals who are scrubs and abuse broken mechanics jn the gamr

[@thebestthereis2729]

Like Sonya's whole character, for over 8 years

[@Reikuma-X]

I think the video would have been better with a side by side, your talking about Mk 11 but don’t show it. Just some healthy criticism. Good video tho, I agree 100%

[@101mrperson101]

10:40 “if your opponent got hit by a down 4” (silence....) They are actually just dead lmao.

[@ghostsnipertrue]

Sad to say but this game has potential but alot of room to improve. Mkx was annoying due to low neutral and 50/50s but I still liked most of the mechanics more than 11. Oh well, wait for a good patch or on to the next one.

[@GeorgeH9897]

you forgot to say mk11 tried to take mk9 wave dash system but made it slower & so clunky. . . .

[@Goossen015]

Thats so true plus not every character can do it. This game has so many flaws.

[@pjefsquad]

Kotal out of everyone has the fastest wavedash imo.

[@RESNone208]

Disclaimer: this is just my opinion, I am primarily a 3D fighter outside of MK11 The frames for D1 are fine. The issue is the amount of high starting strings, and the counter hit jailing. 90% of the time if I read a high (or just blind hope) and then D1 I get a full combo. Pokes by definition should not be punishable. Maybe unsafe so you lose your turn, but not punishable. -7 is too much, as a JC player that would give me a full combo punish, and as you said pokes shouldn’t be full combo punishable. That would be a buff for me - I still don’t want it.

[@JamaalSTL]

The low poke to grab combo really pisses me off. For some reason I can’t counter the grab after even though I know it’s coming

[@eddyrajan3523]

JamaalSTL finally someone who addresses this problem, i have lost thousands of times because of this

[@doom7607]

Just duck and let go of block

[@eddyrajan3523]

Blue Coc then they start doing strings it will just leave you open for an easy combo. sure you can duck but people will rather not take the risk

[@doom7607]

@@eddyrajan3523 look grab is reactable to me i'll just duck and uppercut

[@eddyrajan3523]

Blue Coc i understand but for me its a guessing game

[@JC_43]

Holy shit I subbed right away for the first 3 minutes. Very nice content. Not to mention the annoying Grab Reversals on MK11 are strangely difficult to do. It's always D1 on Online Matches too. And Geras fuckin sucks balls. GG.

[@ShadyProductionsMC]

I like that you cut your audio to keep the video clean. Be sure to not also cut the footage too, it makes the cuts very distracting. Best of luck on the channel

[@s1l3nce75]

Mk9 was characterwise, stagewise and musicwise the best mk, i wish theyd remake the game with mk11 mechanics and balance :/

[@D4Deyo]

You're so right

[@iggyig420]

Just no....

[@holden6104]

Makes you wonder whether NRS even understood what made their games work in the past from a competitive perspective.

[@thatdude_dl1666]

My god, yes. Mk11 is too full of SJW bullshit and I don't think they've finished making the mechanics in the game.

[@STvE7737]

@@thatdude_dl1666 there isn't much Sjw bs so take that lazy argument tf outta here

[@thatdude_dl1666]

@@STvE7737 You must be a SJW, White Knight snowflake. That was just a simple statement. I can tell you what was SJW bs. The SJW bullshit is a reason why this game got low ratings and much lower sales than MKX.

[@thatakwardlatinguy8773]

Please name examples of the SJW bullshits? Honest to god I have no clue what you are even talking about.

[@brian.jrmontoya3227]

ThatDude_DL proof it has lower sales at all? So far it’s the best selling game of the year so far in the states and might continue strong.

[@01sidiropoulos]

Now that's what i really don't like in MK11 the pokes are so slow. From me is 1st jumping 2nd pokes and 3rd combos..I feel the slowness so much in MK11 so i think the best combination is to take some mechanics from mk9-mkx and get off this slowness ones and for all..I know we're talking for the impossible but just saying.. Very targeting points in ur video😉

[@WhiteAlbumGG_YT]

I wish characters that use weapons didn't have such an advantage when they D2(ex: Jade, Shao, lui kang, and so on.)

[@out3635]

Adonis Leonardo facts

[@doom7607]

I mean you got a pole... use it

[@Afr0Thund3r]

Jade is legitimate bullshit because of this. She can push you out with D1's, then just D2 uppercut and fucking annihilate ANYTHING you do that isn't a block or armor move.

[@Afr0Thund3r]

@@adiris8827 What relevance does that have to what I said at all kid? Where did I mention combos, footsies, or tiers?

[@Afr0Thund3r]

@@adiris8827 Did you even read the original post? I mentioned Jade, ALL CHARACTERS WITH WEAPONS HAVE EXTRA RANGED D2's. D1's are this game's fastest unpunishable poke, D2 is a universal KB everyone has, having extra range on yours because your character has a weapon is literal bullshit. Contest it ANY way you want, what I said remains true.

[@orphanofkosishot3940]

What's really interesting is that some normals and strings have different hit reactions on crouched opponents as well. For example: kratos' F42 string doesn't link against a crouching opponent due to the reduced hit stun. It's crazy how mk9 works and with a bit of polishing, I absolutely agree that it's poke system is the best.

[@itakaafjohnson4997]

Mk10 had that poking shit aswell d1 city

[@ليثليث-ص6ه]

The meter system is even worse in mk11.there's some characters relay completely in meter while others don't even need it such as subzero and kung Lao .Also the air escape technic isn't really good .The breaker was the best way to escape inevitable death situations.

[@xaviervega468]

No way. Having separate offensive and defensive meter was a good change.

[@MordecaiUniverse]

@@xaviervega468 breaker was a 100% garantee you would get away of the preasure. Wake ups And escape roll front/back can be punishble. IT'S a guess game. Specially when the armor has flaws. Heck, even the fatal blow has flaws about the armor. You CAN get hit even with armor! Totally bs. Mk11 is cancer. The meter goes up faster for some characters that does tons of damage. Characters has better frames than the majority of characters on the same hit. In the end mk11 is ALL about play with broken s tier characters instead the character you want to play , otherwise get beaten .

[@sthefanwernke871]

I didn’t know MK9’s poke system was so deep since MK11 is my first fighting game (after tekken 3 but I guess I doesn’t count as so many years have passed). Really interesting and it seems a lot better, I can’t imagine how awesome it would be to see pros playing around it.

[@MidwestArtMan]

I went against a Johnny Cage who did d4 over and over and all I could answer with was my own d3 or d4 because everything else either had too little reach or went clean over his flat-on-the-floor hurtbox.

[@thektorMK1]

Mileena Kahn cause his mid is 14f and gets beat by pokes

[@A-Aron564]

This is absolutely how the poke game should work. I like that the d1 to a ducking opponent grants more hit advantage but I’d also like for it to force them to stand up so you can jail with a fast high. It’ll stop scrubs from abusing pokes. I also think pokes should be unsafe but not enough for a full combo. The best you get is a counter poke and gain hit advantage

[@blingximus]

I mean you're basically talking about counter hit advantage like in Street Fighter

[@kofiagyeman]

I'm hearing numbers like 6 and 7 and 14, but I'm thinking back to things like 1 frame links and 3 frame jobs. Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like the bars are at different places for different games.

[@kofiagyeman]

@Master Monkey something not really present in MK. Different game, different systems, I get it. But is this latest entry not taking more cues from SF? Haven't many franchises as of late? Restands and hitgrabs, and their choice of not using 360 or 720 grabs is perfectly fine, but wouldn't it birth unique issues? What happens when block button and 2d footsie based fighters combine? What if the frame data and blueprint is still NRS, do we see a brand new set of unique jank? Nice Avi if that's kid Goku And curious: when you saw me mention 1 frame links, did that make you think I didn't know what either were? Just gauging how I come across in case in misunderstood or not concise.

[@jknintendo]

@@kofiagyeman Apparently what happens when you add 2d footsies to MK is the current poke meta /s but honestly I just wish MK had better footsies, it would invalidate the poke meta, or at least make it less reliable than using Wolf Blaster in neutral. Jade is a really good idea of anti-poke meta because her entire character is spacing and pseudo-footsies, but thats only one character in a roster of 26 (as of right now)

[@kofiagyeman]

@@jknintendo when everyone has... Well not similar animations, rather, not great animation variety. Sugarpunchdesign works did a great video on nrs games on this topic. It holds true, they're just now starting to take street fighters lead and step away from being known as the gory one. Not putting all moves in the command list is just dumb at this point tho. Maybe they'll actually design the normals a bit next time.

[@negativerep4141]

1. Awesome speech (100% understandable by non-native eng speaking guys like me) 2. Actual information straight to the point 3. Good music choice 25k subs ... w t f Can I make a free intro for your channel to help a lil bit? Not saying its a bad one, just want to help

[@ibrahimgintoki7725]

This guy deserve it make it man

[@mxcristian11]

This is extremely interesting. I’m not unfortunately a classic fighting gamer, I started with IJ2 but man what you said in the beginning brought back war flashbacks of annoying ass Black Adam, d1 into the palpatine spam, why both those moves needed to be safe was beyond me 🙄 I could at least appreciate a poke system like this more

[@doom7607]

Why injustice 2 now?

[@mxcristian11]

@@doom7607 no I mean IJ2 was the first fighting game I played, I bought like within the first month of it's lifecycle, I'm obviously grinding mk11 a ton now, really loving kombat league, though sometimes I do miss IJ2, though I bet it'd be hard to play after so much mk now haha

[@ShiniRyuga]

They need to fix some of the uppercuts, like Jaqui's

[@chris21taylor]

Yes, her D2 is bad, I think they gave her B2 as a secondary uppercut

[@mibbzx1493]

I been telling ppl this too bro good stuff, if i know when your going to low poke & i jump over that shit, the overhead should crush the low jab like im so tired of geras & subzeros just constantly mashing crouch jabs that are like 5 or 6 frames and besting everything i throw out when i make reads on the d1s. Like i promise you this is how i lose 95% of my matches, defensive players dont get any reward on mk11 for playing patient & making the right reads

[@grannywalter]

Tbh, I was never a fan of Reo back in the mk9 days. But I sure am a fan now. Mk9 always felt and looked right to me unlike all the nrs games that followed it. I don't have the deep knowledge that Reo does, but something felt off about the other games' mechanics. And now Reo is showing everyone why indeed mk9 was so good, and exposing the problems of mk11. Keep up the good work, Reo. I hope nrs is taking notes)))

[@lucasgarcia4193]

The animations are still different for getting hit while standing and getting hit while crouching. It's just a matter of making them last a few more frames, or just not allowing people to move. They already do that with some recoveries which look finished but you still can't do anything (kothal's sunray)

[@ibrahimgintoki7725]

Poor kotal😂😂

[@Warlock-6127]

I've been waiting for this type of video for a while now.

[@Azteck9]

In SFV 2 down 1s whether hit or blocked push you back and make you and the opponent neutral. That's the best way for NRS to go. D1 throw is fine. But D11 or more + throw is stupid. And no one should have a faster one than anyone else. They should all be equal. But I'd honestly prefer d3 be the designated poke tool and d1s don't exist.

[@darkwing5458]

I think that's one of the solution to fixing the poke fest in mk11.

[@jasonsmith530]

Still like Tekken and sf better! Wondering if nrs will go in a different direction for next generation

[@TheDarkness4560]

The best thing about tekken is that you can low parry (universal parry) D1 that would make mk11 much more interesting because it is basically already there with the neutral ducks into full combo punish but a low parry would scare the opponent from D1 mashing even more.

[@THENIGHTMAREINC]

Was looking up these issues recently, but online forums just tell you you're bad and deal with it. Haven't checked if you have one on the krushing blow system, but man does it hard out here for some characters. They should replace some of the goofier ones in ranked playlists with something more possible to actually do against another player

[@MMchikito]

It ruined the game man, my favorite part of MK games is it's combo system and in this game things are like: Do wathever you want but always d1 after that... It just doesn't encourage players to do those good old hard to perform, flashy combos and thats just sad :'(

[@chris21taylor]

Funny I saw this after just thinking about how annoying Shao Kahn and Liu Kangs play in this game with their low poke abuse...They gave us the new input buffer to retaliate with pokes or combos of our own, I'll see just how well that works when I get into practice mode

[@MEETHEGROUCH]

The Poke System is horrible. Your turn is beat out, and just look at Jackie and Geras. I don't feel like I got out played. I just got out poked and lost my turn. Grabs beating Low and Mid pokes is insane. I though MK11 was better, but it's actually worse along with the slower pace, and the run mechanic out. Don't know what to say anymore about this game.

[@justinpar898]

I’ve been playing a lot of mkx lately and I hope it comes back to life

[@unrealz48]

Lets just get an MK9 remaster! My fav mk easy.

[@captainsnurch6677]

Thank you. Hard to take a game like this seriously competitively.

[@sloan_9026]

MK11 is catering to noobs and casuals at this point. Victories in MK11 don't feel like victories to me. When I win as Kano even, I don't even feel I have done much to deserve the win. It's just a badly made game in my opinion.

[@Ocean5ix]

Just like every new release for the genre. You guys are getting repetitive.

[@sloan_9026]

@@Ocean5ix shut the fuck up, douchebag. My OPINION

[@horror-5144]

What do you think would happen if you win as Kano??? That you will get an orgasm or something??? Man there are so many stupid people in the world...

[@CyborgNation]

I agree, I loved MK9 poking system.

[@bryanbrown5081]

NRS just needs to add advantage frames on counter hit.

[@xBiggs]

Nah, make d1 unsafe on block. Another thing that was touched on for d4 also applies to d1. d1 on hit was plus vs stand, but had less advantage vs crouch usually -1. This meant that you can not use your fastest attack to mash as a poke. New games seem to have forgotten this

[@zangana3052]

It is not the "only game" that had different poke reactions based on the stance of the opponent. No matter what part of Mk you take, Tekken excelled it ages before. Some pokes in Tekken launch if opponent is crouching! Some lows hit opponents who try to low parry, and some others guarantee a launcher after Counter Hit (CH doesn't exist in MK, until recently they implemented something close, still, messy).

[@supasf]

1:22 I can't be the only one who've seen that.

[@Krazychoo]

reo you're a legend for doing this kind of videos and thank you for using princess in this example lmao

[@Saturnslime003]

All ppl do is mash dwn pokes I hate it

[@lenoraclark7176]

I wonder if nrs has been watching all these videos that's probably why they haven't made a balance patch yet

[@zwergz1122]

The thumbnail is a form of art😂

[@chrisguy98TM]

Zwergz 112 tf lol

[@iconichorror966]

god please like this video and get it out there i can’t take the current poke meta. i’m so used to blocking when i get poked and respecting their turn but when i land a poke NOPE poke back 3 maybe 4 fuckin times.

[@wynnjones2435]

Even though i see where you are coming from, more and more i'm seeing people get blown up for just D1ing mindlessly. heck my friend was whiff punishing D1s since the beta. it s cool that mk9's pokes did work that way (even though looking back alot of people ignore it all together with things like Kabal "zoning" and Sonya D4 into mix and/or basic plus frames/armor). I don't know, on e hand yes forcing your opponent to finally block with your turn can be nice, but on the other allowing people a false sense of security and then shattering it is a definite joy to be had. i would suggest giving the game more than just a few months to get its different micro meta going, but i also know that sometimes you just aren't going to like something no matter how long you give it (there are things in games in games i like and others despise and vice versa). sometimes it's not "ABC had the best XYZ" and and more "ABC had the XYZ for me". Either way it sucks you and others don't enjoy it and it's kinda cool you're just looking to future games rather than demanding for the changes to this one. and even though some may find MK9's poke system tedious, others can say it's rewarding and satisfying, and the same can be said for MK11.

[@Leon-bt7gw]

If this game had an element of counter hit frame advantage, people would begin to respect your turn. That way if they get hit by a kounter hit they would be eating bigger combos (similar to the sf series).