The Power of Permission in Dog Training #11

[@ladonnaking4222]

"Sometimes is anytime to a dog" I need to remind myself of this often.

[@CelisticMarion]

LOVE that quote. Words to live by

[@NPTrainer]

I've only just started your podcasts and videos and I take something away from every single one of them so far. You've changed the way I look not only at my dog training, but how I handle my son and my partner. Some of it I knew needed to improve a bit, but I lacked the tools to do so. Thank you so very much in your sharing all of this knowledge and for your way of wording things.

[@DogsThat]

Welcome, we love to have you in this great community! ❤️

[@maryrice1162]

Some of this made me laugh since some was very relatable. I’ve been working with my dog this past week on this exact concept and he now waits patiently for me to open doors instead of jumping on it. Thank you for these videos to get me back to being mindful in how I interact with my dogs every day.

[@DogsThat]

That is awesome, Mary! Thank you for sharing ❤️

[@sceotend]

The concept of permissions has been a game changer for the relationship with my dog. He's learning to make great choices in order to get what he wants, and those choices are what I want him to be doing. We're far from perfect, but this episode has reminded me to pay more attention to consistency. Thank you Susan!

[@jennifersorum7475]

It amazes me how similar parenting is to dog training!!🎉 Thank you!! Have listened to this one already and came back today to be refreshed and encouraged! Struggling with the squirrels and bunnies in our yard!

[@DogsThat]

💕💕💕💕💕

[@GingerVertican]

welllllll, my dogs are 1 year old this week and I have JUST found you and have basically BINGED your podcast here! You.. Are. Amazing. You get a high value treat

[@rastamacbcs]

Outstanding explanations of fallout from inconsistency (sometimes = anytime to the dog), the power of permission, and choice. Great topic with great explanation.

[@SherryBuikema-r4p]

Susan just getting started but love your pod cast even though I'm watching them on you tube all of the information has been great

[@loadsotroubleforyou]

Just adopted a dog and this video has really helped me understand what I am combating with her! Thank you so much

[@DogsThat]

Glad it was helpful! Thank you so much for watching and being here @loadsotroubleforyou

[@robinrutherfordcost4748]

We go to the dog club for the dogs to play when the weather isn't great. They all have to sit/stand to get their harnesses and coats off before they get released to go play. Then they each get their turn to work with Mom during the play session. This last time I just did 2 figure 8s. My older two dogs get their treats at the end, but the youngest Dobe absolutely loves getting a release of Free, go play - talk about Nirvana! Lol!

[@karlawilson1032]

Great examples to explain how permission works to create expectation... in dogs and in people. POP.... “power of permission” is such an easy way to reinforce and build behavior. Super job making this easy to understand and put to use in daily life!

[@christieweiss1381]

This makes so much sense. Obviously the best choice is for me to shape my dogs behavior rather than my dog shaping mine..i.e. pawing to get ears scratched or begging to get human food. It seems so logical but I never really thought of it this way. ❤

[@diannefraser3595]

I dont walk with anyone who lets their dog chase an animal "dont worry they wont catch it" doesnt hold. Thanks you explain this so well, wonderful ❤ However if you have squirrels in your yard would be hard 😮

[@rachellanter50]

Always hard when not everyone in the house is on the same page. I do my best but know I should do more and expect more from the other half!

[@iaia5501]

what I needed to be reminded today... thank you so much! 🥰

[@TeeyaMareeya]

This is without a doubt my favourite podcast. :D

[@anniedoerrgilchrist6230]

Great podcast! If your dog wants something, like to play fetch, is there an acceptable way for your dog to ask? Or do you only play during training on your schedule? I'm torn between wanting my dog to be able to communicate what they want/need, but not wanting them to think they can have whatever they want whenever they want it. I've heard you mention the idea of "forget it to get it". Would love to hear you talk more about how this works!

[@robinrutherfordcost4748]

I had a lady with a Rottweiler who got a foot massage every night. Told her, it probably happens the same time each night so 5 minutes before or even at 7pm, time for your foot massage. Am sure you got this already since it was 2 years ago. Hope that helps.

[@ammi_10]

💙💙💙 this was explained so well🙂

[@CamilleGG451]

TYSM!! You clarified a couple things I've been wondering about here! I'm surprised about your mentioning that different people doing things differently in the same household is ok bc I thought everyone in the same household needs to be doing exactly the same in order to train the dog....? 🤔 I'd love to hear an elaboration from you on that? TIA!

[@DogsThat]

Hi @CamilleGG451 we have an episode for you on that exact topic - kzbin.info/www/bejne/l6LNpYCuj7GGgJI

[@CamilleGG451]

@@DogsThat Awesome- will watch now, thanks!!!

[@Lena6206]

Thank you SO much!!!

[@debbiegoodman5174]

Free walking my cavalier and teaching her to come, reinforce treat, come reinforce treat repeat. Taking a break i fall off the bench releasing the lead. She runs away. I lay on ground and yell come. She runs to me i give her treat and grab the leash. I was proud and amazed. Thank you susan

[@PamelaDalmatian]

I have to ask- why did the thumbnail on this video change? I love linking to it and no image comes up when I link, and coming on youtube to find it has a different image.

[@DogsThat]

Hi @PamelaDalmatian the thumbnail is still there and has not changed, it might just be a bit of a glitch?

[@dpsheil]

In the examples of getting permission from your mother, you always asked for permission. How do you allow a dog to ask for permission to play or go for a walk?

[@DogsThat]

Hi! It all starts with the ItsYerChoice game, where we want our dogs to look at the thing that they want. Here's a video where Susan explains it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fXitnJmogs-YaM0 The ItsYerChoice Summit is a great place to learn the first layers and start growing it (and it's free), here's the link for you: recallers.com/iycsummit-join

[@CVersailles]

Just an observation that "permission-based training" with parrots is the opposite: you need permission FROM THE BIRD! Does it create "entitlement"? I don't think so. When done correctly it creates a bird who trusts you and understands that good things come through you, just as you have explained it with dogs. See, e.g., "5 Reasons to Use Permission Based Training with Parrots" and "Stick Training Amazon Parrots". Successful parrot trainers do not use force or punishment.

[@DogsThat]

I think we are on the same page. All of the training we do is with buy-in from the dog. We give them agency to say no. It is up to us to create behaviour that engages the dog so they never want to say "no I don't want to "play" aka work". The permission-based training I'm referring to in this episode is about giving a cue to activities the dog LOVEs so we can use those activities to R+ lower probability behaviours...classic premack - which I'm sure you do with the Parrots as well!

[@CVersailles]

@@DogsThat Well, I hope so... I have seen some dogs on the Internet trained with the permission-based principle, and they looked MISERABLE, to say the least. I have also seen another method called "consent training" that is more akin to what is done with parrots. The idea that a dog cannot do ANYTHING without human permission is not attractive to me. Humans already control most of their animals' lives anyway (when and what they eat, where they sleep, what toys they play with, etc.). "Control" reinforces the human and it can get out of hand.

[@annfry9072]

Had an aha moment in training last night with one of the dogs and IYC. Sake got "booped" with a treat off the nose and didn't rush in to pick it up right away. I would love to learn how to get Haiku to maintain the sit stay in order to give permission to fetch the ball. He gets so highly aroused when we go to play fetch, that we haven't played in a long time. It also requires us to go to a fenced in offleash park in order to ensure safety as we don't have 100% recall yet.

[@sethwilson5465]

8n

[@thephoenix1117]

Well, ... I've only watched 3 of your vids - and while its good advice, theres no examples of execution of said advice.

[@DogsThat]

Hi P. Toth, thanks for checking out our videos! Here's our playlist that's more focusing on training examples - kzbin.info/aero/PLphRRSxcMHy2TzttCtZVFwzwMGayAsaYe

[@egbun]

Doesn’t seem "equitable" but rather "transactional"… I hold the power, but you can get some of what you want - IF you do it the way I want you to. That’s ok, but it’s different from "equitable". Dog's choices are limited by the owner.