The Power of the SOUL: The Frisk-Chara-Kris Connection | Undertale / Deltarune Theory / Analysis

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Tanya S.

Tanya S.

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Thanks for checking out my video! Any constructive feedback is welcome.
This is a reupload because of copyright issues.
Timestamps:
Intro: 00:00
The HUMANS: 00:36
The GHOST: 6:53
The SOUL: 12:16
The MAN: 19:39
Conclusion: 23:39
Check out my other stuff: • The Choice of Gender D...
Content sourced/referenced:
Music from Undertale and Deltarune, composed by Toby Fox: open.spotify.com/artist/57DlM...
Undertale 5 year Anniversary Concert: • UNDERTALE 5th Annivers...
Fangamer: www.fangamer.com/collections/...
Undertale Tarot Cards: / 1306245072690851840
Undertale Tarot Cards Prototype : dogbomber.tumblr.com/post/132...
Iluminate - What Kris REALLY Wants to Say:
Part 1 • What Kris REALLY Wants...
Part 2 • What Kris REALLY Wants...
Undertale Genocide Gameplay: • Undertale (Genocide Ru...
Undertale Soulless Pacifist: • [spoilers] Both Soulle...
Undertale 2nd Genocide: • [spoilers] Undertale -...
Undertale Deletion after Genocide: i.redd.it/el64w75j9pw81.png
Both Entry 17s (code): nochocolate.tumblr.com/post/1...
All Fun Events: • Undertale - List of "f...
Deltarune Announcement Tweets: doge-w-a-bloge.tumblr.com/pos...
Deltarune Website in 2016 : / 2016_2015_deltarunes_w...

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@tobyharris4777
@tobyharris4777 10 ай бұрын
I wonder if the reason we are able to inhabit a soul is because the person it belongs to has given up. Their determination to keep going is ours. Note that it's never stated WHY Frisk climbed the mountain, but it's entirely possible they meant to off themself. They don't take back control because they've already given up. In Pacifist, the game ends once they regain the will to live, their 'determination', or in the case of No Mercy, lose all hope entirely. However, in Deltarune it's more complex. Kris very well may be s**cidal, but also doesn't want to be controlled. It's also curious that we, the player, may be able to influence OTHER characters as well. I feel like Toby is setting up the puzzle pieces, and the end result will recontextualize our experience in Undertale.
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
Interesting observations, never thought of that, I always thought that we are able to control frisk because they are a young child, therefore relying on authority figures, while Kris is a teen. I talk more about Frisk's agency and personality in my previous video, if you're interested.
@TheRepublicOfDixionconderoga
@TheRepublicOfDixionconderoga 10 ай бұрын
You have arranged Kris-Frisk-Chara outside of KFC order. The sentence is death.
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
Oh no, death by deep fryer...
@SemiHypercube
@SemiHypercube 10 ай бұрын
Even though the red soul being Determination isn't technically canon, I really like the idea of the souls being a color wheel and the traits connecting to each other, I don't think I've ever seen that theory but it makes so much sense This channel really deserves more subs too
@TheSkyGuy77
@TheSkyGuy77 10 ай бұрын
The red soul is us. Its the connection we have between reality and the game.
@Victor-um9ce
@Victor-um9ce 10 ай бұрын
@@TheSkyGuy77 Chara had a red soul and we didn't control them. We named them but they still have a true name and it's not like we named Frisk so even then that connection is shaky at best.
@fandubindo1891
@fandubindo1891 10 ай бұрын
In the ball game (snowdin area) i believe red describe as "being your self" thing. Every human soul has determination, but some theories said that GOLD is represent Determination in general.
@HappiFunnyGuy
@HappiFunnyGuy 10 ай бұрын
agreed that theory is really interesting and makes so much sense
@unreactivecontent
@unreactivecontent 10 ай бұрын
determination is more represented by yellow that also makes sense with my theory of acid determination but that's a whole other can of worms
@keeganplayz1875
@keeganplayz1875 10 ай бұрын
"Kris" is likely a reference to both frisk and Chara. Kris's name combines the "CH" sound in "chara" and the "ris" sound in "frisk". Personally i think that all three humans have independant values and characteristics, and that they do not want to be "good" or "evil". Toby's games let the player choose what happens, and the player is the one responsible for making frisk kill, and chara appear 'evil'. Although in deltarune, kris seems to have had enough of being forced to do things they do not want to do, and take matters into their own hands.
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
Interesting observation regarding Kris's name!
@TheRatLiker
@TheRatLiker 2 ай бұрын
@@tanyas. What if the reason Kris doesn't have an F in the name is because F stands for Freedom?
@fravonzonbonn
@fravonzonbonn 10 ай бұрын
the power of kfc
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
Finger-licking good! :)
@Unknow680
@Unknow680 10 ай бұрын
Damn beat me to it i was got say same thing.
@SignalBull
@SignalBull 10 ай бұрын
It shines determination within you
@agentf5798
@agentf5798 10 ай бұрын
Power of NEO? MORE LIKE THE POWER OF KFC! This statement fills you with.. Poultry?
@SignalBull
@SignalBull 10 ай бұрын
@@agentf5798 LMAOOO
@furby519
@furby519 10 ай бұрын
1:17 The skin of all monsters becomes a little lighter, this is the rule. Kris's skin is reflected in the red-blue negative, perhaps this is also a pattern. (google translator)
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
Yeah, it's just that Kris's transformation is radical, while the others' isn't. When I said Noelle's color stays the same, I was referring to the fact that it still stays orange, even with a pinkish tint in the dark worlds
@BooBob11
@BooBob11 10 ай бұрын
I think that the red soul is the connection to us (the player) . Frisk as you play as them in Undertale, Chara because you name the fallen human (summon them like you said) and Kris because you play as them in Deltarune.
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
Yes, as I said in the conclusion part of the video, I believe the soul is a tool for the player, capable of transcending time, space and vessels
@BooBob11
@BooBob11 10 ай бұрын
Sorry didn’t have time to watch it all so I just posted this before I had to go
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
No problem :)
@UnoriginalJokester
@UnoriginalJokester 10 ай бұрын
Commenting on the differences between the presumed two speakers at 18:12 - Sans also differs in font from time to time. He does so when threatening you in the date with him, in most judgement hall scenes, and right before fighting you in genocide. - Same goes for this point, as Sans does stop speaking in all lowercase in the previously mentioned instances. Even more so with the threat he gives you in the date with him. He speaks *much* slower, with more spacing between the letters. - The different Japanese speaking styles can be explained away as being that way because they're different speaking styles in general. I think you could make the argument that the speaker here switches speaking styles to sound more intimidating, not necessarily to indicate a different character. - I'm pretty sure the lack of background is meant to indicate that you got kicked out of the vessel making sequence, not necessarily that there's another speaker here. - We don't know for a fact what the intent was behind making us create a vessel. For all we know, discarding it was part of the plan. It's not impossible that there's a second speaker, we just shouldn't be sure of it yet. Also, I'm pretty sure determination is more of a force rather than a trait. Unlike the other six traits, it's the only force that we know for a fact other humans are capable of harnessing. Flowey's determination was stated to be taken from the other six fallen humans. It was a physical substance Alphys took from the six human souls in order to inject both Flowey and the amalgamates with it. All this is to say that determination seems to be much different from the traits listed in Ball Game. Speaking of Ball Game, if you win it in under 6 seconds more than once, you get the following prompt: "RED - Try as you might, you continue to be yourself." Considering the other colored flags prompted you with information on the other six humans' traits or personalities, perhaps this could be a hint as to what the red soul truly means.
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
Fair points, as I said in the video, "I do believe that there are 2 different speakers"- the theory is strenghtened, but not made by that interpretation alone Again, as I said, just because the main trait of a soul is, for example, kindness, does not mean that they can't be brave or patient. Same with determination - it is a physical substance, but it is also used as an adjective, I believe by Sans and Undyne. A good synonym for determination(as used in game) would be resilience- a psychological concept describing the adaptability of the mind- the thing described in the ball game.
@misadique845
@misadique845 10 ай бұрын
Good point, but I'd like to add an argument in favor of two speakers: Before you finish Chapter 1, the main menu is clearly operated by Gaster because the save selection menu's narrator speaks in the same way as he did during the goner maker sequence. Once you've viewed the end cutscene, the save selection menu's narration changes to regular text. This implies two different speakers because this isn't just a change to emphasize a dramatic moment, but straight up an entire menu changing permanently.
@misadique845
@misadique845 10 ай бұрын
Agreed with the RED soul part, especially because of the mirror dialogue. "It's you!" "Despite everything, it's still you." It emphasizes what is hinted at during the ball game.
@UnoriginalJokester
@UnoriginalJokester 10 ай бұрын
@@misadique845 It could be argued that that's the case because the goner maker's speaking style wouldn't fit with the new main menu. The goner maker is a strange, mysterious entity that wouldn't fit with the beautiful new menu. I'm glad you agree with the RED soul part!
@misadique845
@misadique845 10 ай бұрын
@@UnoriginalJokester That's fair. I think both are plausible, we'll just have to wait and see. Whatever it is, the RED soul seems to be at the core of Deltarune's mysteries. It's being hyped up as a big reveal by so many things in the games (Hiding the trait's meaning, it being able to seal fountains, Gaster literally summoning it, Kris taking it out, the Librarby book on souls). I'm so hyped to finally learn what trait it possesses!!
@Dalller_
@Dalller_ 10 ай бұрын
When you said that’s sans always keeps his font and manner of speaking, he changed his font to determination to say “should be burning in hell” lmao 18:23
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
Fair point!
@LauriWreath
@LauriWreath 10 ай бұрын
Great video! One thing about the intro sequence is that the image used in the background is called IMAGE_DEPTHS, or something like that. One of Jevil's lines is "Hell's roar bubbles from the depths," which in my opinion means the dark fountains are the depths leaking darkness out. IMAGE_DEPTHS, if you turn it upside down, is also just rippling water. I dunno what to make of this stuff, but it's just cool.
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
One of my really wacky ideas is that that the "depths" are really just the underground that is empty in the universe of Deltarune - where magic is still present and it is obviously dark, being not populated. But that is just my weird speculation ;)
@LauriWreath
@LauriWreath 10 ай бұрын
@@tanyas. Lol if it turns out the depths is just the river person's river that takes us to weird places and it turns out gaster created the river system which is why he fell into his "own creation," I will literally riot (but honestly that makes less sense than your underground theory >.
@misadique845
@misadique845 10 ай бұрын
It's extremely probable every human could save and load. File0 is created when you use a save point. File9 is an auto-save at hidden points. File8 is created when Flowey gets the 6 human souls, AND his save file back, so it is probable for it to be his file. During his fight, he uses files 2 and 3 to save and load. Therefore, files 2 to 7 are the human soul's. File8 is Flowey's, File9 is Frisk's and File1 is Chara's. I think file0 is probably our save, since it's used when WE save, while file9 would be Frisk's. It's shown through Photoshop Flowey that in-game characters saving can save whenever they want. But the files alone are pretty shaky evidence, that theory is also supported by in-game evidence: After you reset, Toriel remembers your preference between butterscotch or cinammon and says this: " *When humans fall down here, strangely... I... I often feel like I already know them.* Truthfully, when I first saw you, I felt... ... like I was seeing an old friend for the first time." Not only does she say that she feels like she already knows them, but she states it in contrast to the déjà-vu she is getting from your reset. You can tell Asgore he has killed you, and depending on the number of times you've died to him, he gives you different dialogue. "You tell ASGORE that he's killed you (1-4 ) times before. He nods sadly. " "You tell ASGORE that he's killed you (5-9) times. He nods grievously." "You tell ASGORE that he's killed you too many times to count. He nods pitifully." He is unfazed by this, like this isn't the first time he has heard of this. Maybe you aren't the first child to tell him you've died to him.
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
Interesting observations. While I think that Flowey accessing files2 and 3 in battle murks the waters a bit, it is curious to think about that file0 is the one that you need to edit in order to cheat the game. I knew about those scenes with the Dreemurs, it would be cool to think that the previous humans were able to save and load like we do, but I'm not sure about the logistical issues that may arise from it.
@misadique845
@misadique845 10 ай бұрын
@@tanyas. I think it makes more sense for them to be able to than not, considering every human has DETERMINATION. Hell, the DT Flowey has comes from the human souls. Small note, in the genocide route "Chara" quotes themselves from right after they awoke in Frisk's body. "Why was I brought back to life?"... Not "how", but "why". It's a small detail that could mean nothing but it's interesting nonetheless. Also, if Narrachara is true (Which is almost canon considering the staggering amount of evidence), then they show no surprise at the idea of saving, they're even the first person to mention DT ingame.
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
We know that a human soul has a lot more dt than a monster one, but we don't knowto what extent. I even mentioned in my video that Chara appeares to be talking directly to us, the players ("My human soul. My determination. They were not mine, but YOURS") - just like flowey ("Let frisk be happy"/ "YOU have the power to reset everything"). The "why was Chara brought to life" is answered with "Power. Together we eradicated the enemy and became strong"- my interpretation, like in the video, is that they are summoned by flowey ("did you hear me calling you?") or by us
@misadique845
@misadique845 10 ай бұрын
@@tanyas. "We know that a human soul has a lot more dt than a monster one, but we don't know to what extent." Enough to make a human soul capable of persisting after death. "I even mentioned in my video that Chara appeares to be talking directly to us, the players ("My human soul. My determination. They were not mine, but YOURS") - just like flowey ("Let frisk be happy"/ "YOU have the power to reset everything"). " That doesn't contradict my theory. "The "why was Chara brought to life" is answered with "Power. Together we eradicated the enemy and became strong"- my interpretation, like in the video, is that they are summoned by flowey ("did you hear me calling you?") or by us" My point wasn't the actual reason, but that Chara wasn't surprised at being brought back to life, they were asking "why" and not "how". The thing is that it's weirder to assume they couldn't than to assume they could. They're humans, and thus have large amounts of DT. Why wouldn't they have the ability to save in the underground if they're the one with the most determination within it at the time of their fall? The evidence I've already shown (especially the Toriel one, it's basically her directly stating the previous humans could also save) points towards it.
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
@@misadique845 I didn't try to disprove anything, many people had come to this conclusion for years. I am just saying that, while it is possible that the humans had some control over timelines, I don't know just how much and I don't know the implications of it over the timeline
@bananaspice1967
@bananaspice1967 10 ай бұрын
Friskerton, Charasia, and Kristopher are odd little fellows indeed
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
Something about these names seems odd... :)
@user-cu7ow7ro4n
@user-cu7ow7ro4n 10 ай бұрын
I hope Toby Fox will have a KFC sponsorship someday.
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
I don't think berdly would be pleased... ;)
@eliptical7033
@eliptical7033 8 ай бұрын
I wonder, since SOUL is usually capitalized like LOVE and EXP, if it’s an acronym just like LOVE and EXP. One example I can think of is Spirit Of Under-Lying (power). That’s the best one I can think of that also makes sense lol. Edit: Another theory I just thought of is the trait of the red soul could actually be “Control.” It lines up with Patience, Bravery, Kindness, Integrity, and Justice. Since Justice seems to parallel how the soul works in battle (Being able to shoot like a Sheriff) Control would make sense since you can move freely in all 4 directions. Not only that, but you also have control over the different weapons and items you choose, meanwhile each soul is associated with only their specific armor and weapons. Control also makes sense cause… It’s under your control… This ended up being way longer than it needed to be.
@Frousted
@Frousted 7 ай бұрын
control makes more sense since every human and even some monsters have determination but "Determination" is just a classic now
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 4 ай бұрын
Really cool observation!
@philguer4802
@philguer4802 8 ай бұрын
2:40 Chara's eyes likely melt because she absorbed the six human souls, and determination is known to melt people, the closest exemple being Flowey in the neutral ending.
@tioraidh-tux
@tioraidh-tux Ай бұрын
they can’t do that. humans can’t absorb human souls. determination melts monsters. they don’t seem to be a monster, they’re materialised by the lv and exp the player gains
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
Hi! This is a reupload because of a wrongful copyright claim. I hope that you took something away from my video! I'm currently working on a video about Deltarune and religion, I'll hopefully have it posted in September. Please leave out any suggestions on what topics/games you'd like me to cover in the future! Edit: Small correction, Sans's font does change in serious scenes. This doesn't really take away from my bigger argument, but I've seen it brought up and it's only fair I correct myself
@spidi7746
@spidi7746 10 ай бұрын
Nice video and great points! The soul wheel type thing is pretty interesting.
@jacobcostanza2772
@jacobcostanza2772 10 ай бұрын
It's worth noting that only Asriel's shirt is green and yellow. Chara's isn't, that's just a fan interpretation. Chara's shirt is more lime colored and has a cream colored striped shirt.
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
Ok, but I would equate in more broad terms lime with green and cream with yellow- you can't deny the similarities between all the dreemurr childrens' clothing, especially compared to frisk and dark world kris...
@jacobcostanza2772
@jacobcostanza2772 10 ай бұрын
@@tanyas. Yeah I suppose
@LostBonesNumber
@LostBonesNumber 10 ай бұрын
Interesting points (Very, very, interesting, if you will) however my personal interpretation of "Let's erase this pointless world and move on to the next one" is more along the lines of "Ok, game completed, let's go play the next one!" And that next game COULD be Deltarune, but it could also be Ace Attorney, Dynasty Warriors, Omori, Splatoon... this doesn't necessarily disprove or support your interpretation since mine would also imply that the next game you're gonna play more than just one game and Deltarune could be one of them, and regardless of if it's the next game you play or the 327th after (Yes I used that number on purpose, if you know, you know) Deltarune knows it is one of those games because, well... you're playing it, but I do believe this is something to consider.
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
I undertstand your stance on this, but thinking about the fact that chara says "let US erase this pointless world and move on to the next" implies that they will be following along, into presumably another Toby Fox project. And knowing that Deltarune was, conceptually at least, planned before Undertale, it makes the most sense that chara is in Deltarune to some extent
@LostBonesNumber
@LostBonesNumber 10 ай бұрын
@@tanyas. Well yes, I never said they weren't, this is a bit off-topic now, but what I meant was that Chara always follow the player to whatever game they play, be it related to Toby Fox or not, not Chara the Undertale character, but the "partner" that compels you to do things in videogames that you wouldn't do otherwise just to see what happens. Did I forget a "Not" or something?
@Thorax420
@Thorax420 10 ай бұрын
VERY interesting video, i love it! something you suggested that i never thought about was the idea that KRIS would be the one to end the game, and that would be the reason for the one ending. kris does it out of our control, no matter what we do beforehand. it seems in character!
@paintingsky7208
@paintingsky7208 10 ай бұрын
Yoooo, amazing video. You'd never know it was from such a small channel. Loved it :)
@tobysinbad
@tobysinbad 10 ай бұрын
You are so good! Don’t stop these theories coming- both Hollow Knight and Undertale/Deltarune
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
Thank you! I have another project regarding Deltarune, maybe I will move on to something else after
@GeoBlitzy
@GeoBlitzy 10 ай бұрын
This was super interesting, great video
@danielscomentclub2636
@danielscomentclub2636 2 ай бұрын
Beginning is so epic. Nicely done. You gonna be voice actor
@slippymcstiffyah3117
@slippymcstiffyah3117 10 ай бұрын
This was sick keep it goin!!!
@lilacpenguin5329
@lilacpenguin5329 10 ай бұрын
13:30 this is an amazing chart and a cool way to analyze the way traits could work, really cool!
@Xanthopathy
@Xanthopathy 10 ай бұрын
Great video, had a lot of fresh takes
@santiagocarvajal1306
@santiagocarvajal1306 10 ай бұрын
Congratulations for the 100 subs
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
Thanks! Hopefully there's more to come :)
@bruhandthemoments7445
@bruhandthemoments7445 5 ай бұрын
Great video!
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 4 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@nulliumgd6853
@nulliumgd6853 10 ай бұрын
Wow, this is a really cool group of theories. I really think your channel deserves more subs and views!
@sspringNG
@sspringNG 10 ай бұрын
great video!
@gregyoung9980
@gregyoung9980 10 ай бұрын
Good job, keep making videos :)
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
Thank you, I will!
@duckman9327
@duckman9327 10 ай бұрын
Underrated as hell
@iosif.b
@iosif.b 4 ай бұрын
Holy moly I was scrolling through subs and saw this video hit 20k 🎉🎉🎉😊
@seandorama5932
@seandorama5932 Ай бұрын
4:13 I really wanted to say something about how this scene could still be a red herring and that Toby doesn't have to adhere to the fandom’s ideas of what the scene was especially since we’ve only 2 chapters worth of evidence… but I’m so tired after reading the comments and watching the video (seriously your voice is ridiculous soothing) that I just won’t… *for now*
@BlockMainaic
@BlockMainaic 10 ай бұрын
THIS MAN NEEDS MORE SUBS BRO I WATCHED LIKE HALF THE VID THEN SAW HE HAS ONLY 331 SUBS IM MAKING THAT 332 I THOUGHT HE HAD LIKE ATLEAST 10K
@crosswater6975
@crosswater6975 10 ай бұрын
Блин, на самом деле классно, что ты указала на то, что смешивание душ работает как и в смысловом , так и в цветовом значении(хотя тут может быть оттенки не один в один)
@sleepy_em
@sleepy_em 10 ай бұрын
you had the p e r f e c t opportunity to do the KFC meme.. i am disappointed. good video though. i wrote a whole spiel about my theory saying the red soul is the player in the form of determination because nowhere in the game does it say the red soul represents determination
@amber2778
@amber2778 10 ай бұрын
Could have gone a little easier on Chara, sure they're not perfect but they also aren't pure evil
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
Could you please take a look at the 00:37 mark? I explicitly said that I'm referring to both Chara the human and the demon. There is not a great deal of evidence regarding the extent to which the human is "evil", but they are directly characterized by Asriel as not being a good person- they laugh at Asgore's pain, they encourage Asriel to not express his emotions, they try to manipulate him into killing humans... Yes, they are a child who probably didn't have a great upbringing given their suicidal tendencies- but, from the little we know from the person who always stuck by their side (Asriel), they were not heading into a good direction in terms of morals. When talking about the Geno route, I clearly made the distinction between Chara and what is left of them after their supposed reincarnation - and I don't think I need to explain why that being/ghost/essence/demon thing can be characterized as evil. Maybe it is just Chara's spirit without the soul, with only their bad parts left, maybe its something else. Either way, there is no smoke without fire. I hope this doesn't come off as mean-spirited, I know tone and intention can get lost in the text and I don't mean to insult or attack anyone.
@aresrivera9744
@aresrivera9744 8 ай бұрын
0:53 end of genocide chara: *always smiling* Real chara: “howdy chara , smile for the camera” 3:36 that’s not frisk body tho. It’s chara. Not only do they get the rosy cheeks, but their hair and skin color change it to that of chara one of the only things differentiating the two characters
@thebuzzybeeking
@thebuzzybeeking 10 ай бұрын
the weird bird thing in the intro weirdly looks a lot like Gaster follower 3
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
Pretty sure it is. Interesting how their expression drastically changes from one game to another, it's the only gaster follower with such a big transformation imo
@Cherodar
@Cherodar 10 ай бұрын
@@tanyas.What I love about Gaster Follower 3/Library Bird is that our sense of where its mouth is changes between games!
@Thorax420
@Thorax420 10 ай бұрын
chara = narrator is basically proven canon at this point--frisk is going around with chara as a headmate essentially :3
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
It is not proven, but heavily implied. I talked about both the pros and cons of this theory. While I do personally believe that Narrachara makes a lot of sense, I cannot sit here and tell others that it is confirmed, as that would be misinformation. I understand where you're coming from, and as I said, I agree, but it is important as a theorist to make that distinction.
@Thorax420
@Thorax420 10 ай бұрын
@@tanyas. i think at some point we can come to a conclusion. toby fox doesnt have to come out and say something is canon for its implications to be. who else would the narrator be? it doesnt really make sense for it to be any one else
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
I understand. I'm cautious to say things like that because of... previous experiences with this community, if you know what I mean
@Thorax420
@Thorax420 10 ай бұрын
@@tanyas. YEAH i definitely do👍🏻 no worries btw i just find the topic fascinating
@kuba4ful
@kuba4ful 7 ай бұрын
Small off-topic, but I'm a bit curious. Are you perhaps from a slavic country? Your pronunciation sounds very similar to how my polish friends sound when speaking english lol.
@idontknow-sh4bj
@idontknow-sh4bj 10 ай бұрын
23:00 Are WE the knight? Opening up fountains
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
Um... i don't know exactly what you're referring to
@idontknow-sh4bj
@idontknow-sh4bj 10 ай бұрын
@@tanyas. we start the game inside the fountain
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
Idk
@milaki7722
@milaki7722 10 ай бұрын
4:55 Immediate dopamine fix. This fandom seems to be full of people who think of Chara as completely innocent and pure for some reason, especially Tiktok, which is so, so tiring. I wish everybody could understand that Chara and the Player are partners, who are both at fault. Sorry, kind offtopic, just really wanted to say it. In summary, great video! Definitely going to check out more of your content.
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
We know that Chara(the human) hated humanity, manipulated Asriel into killing humans, encouraged him to not show emotions ("big kids don't cry"), laughed when Asgore got sick, and Asriel describes them as "not that great of a person". Yes, they are a child, who presumably had suicidal tendencies, so probably not the best upbringing. But children can be mean and cruel as well, even if they don't fully comprehend it. What remains of them at the end of Geno may be only the more negative side of them, or their amplified traits, but there is no smoke without fire.
@milaki7722
@milaki7722 10 ай бұрын
@@tanyas. Very well said.
@duckling3615
@duckling3615 10 ай бұрын
@@tanyas. The laughing is not a point at all. Laughter as a coping mechanism to tragedy is a motif in Undertale. The Snowdrakes are a good example. Toriel laughing at her death during genocide too. Chara was probably not laughing out of sadism at poisoning Asgore. There is no real evidence that Chara was sadistic like you claimed in the video actually. Yes, the fallen child was probably mean, hateful and generally a bad person willing to take vengeance on humanity for their upbringing. But there is no proof any of that was done in terms of sadism. In fact, Chara is proven to *not* be sadistic if we follow the demon. The demon is confused by us doing a second genocide and clearly finds no pleasure in the murder and torture itself. What it enjoys is the power but that's not sadism. Also, Chara was probably totally real with Asriel and not manipulating him. There is enough evidence for Chara still hating themselves and humanity enough to want to kill themselves while also using that to take revenge on humanity but it was also probably done in the name of liberating monster kind and fulfilling the prophesy. Now this isn't a defense of what they still ultimately wanted to do but in the end, Chara is more of a misguided child that was probably abused than a sadistic villain.
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
Ok, maybe sadistic wasn't the best word to use. I also acknowledged their probable abuse and compiled the evidence supporting their villain arc in this comment thread. All the things combined point to the thing that even you acknowledged- Chara is hateful, mean and a bad person. The laughing argument is only a snippet of the argument at large and when taken together with the encouragement of Asriels emotions, shows that it is not an involuntary coping mechanism, but a conscious one. I didn't deny the fact that they are a probably traumatised child, nor did I imply that they (the human) are the embodiment of evil- I explicitly stated that in the video ("I don't necessarilybelieve that they are only good or evil, but that their representativeendigs hint at that dichotomy"). And yes, Chara is a villain = " a character whose evil actions or motives are important to the plot". Either way, the point that I made in the video is not "Chara is a sadist", but "Kris differs in personality and intentions from Chara, who is mean-spirited". Sorry for not using a more appropriate word to describe them, but my point still stands.
@duckling3615
@duckling3615 10 ай бұрын
@@tanyas. I understand completely. Just wanted to clarify on sadism not being correct and the laughter argument being too weak to be used. I agree generally. Though in Undertale I always thought the dichotomy was the angel (of hopes and dreams) Asriel and the angel (of death) Chara but as far as Kris and Deltarune are concerned I completely agree that Kris is the yin and yang that combines Frisk and Chara.
@IkerTG
@IkerTG 10 ай бұрын
13:36 says that the reset power comes from the player after a flower with determination was able to reset lol
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
I was talking about the ungodly amount of determination our soul has - Flowey has supposedly the determination of 6 human souls, or at least part of it- if Frisk's soul was just a normal human one, it couldn't have been more powerful than Flowey's...
@IkerTG
@IkerTG 10 ай бұрын
@@tanyas. that makes sense, i was confused at that part, thanks!
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
No pr, at first I thought you were sarcastic, but i'm glad i was able to clarify what i meant
@IkerTG
@IkerTG 10 ай бұрын
@@tanyas. i mean, i was, but now that i read my comment again it seems really rude, it just gives bad vibes, sorry about that, bad phrasing on my part
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
It's ok, we all get carried away sometimes. I also removed the "lol" from my comment, as we sorted things out
@user-ym5vq9es1w
@user-ym5vq9es1w 10 ай бұрын
We shall put you on the bonfire for you named this video "Frisk-Chara-Kris Connection" instead of "Kris-Frisk-Chara Connection"
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
Haha, I thought about it, but chronologically and phonetically it is more appropriate that way
@TheRepublicOfDixionconderoga
@TheRepublicOfDixionconderoga 10 ай бұрын
@@tanyas.KFC GANG
@aresrivera9744
@aresrivera9744 8 ай бұрын
5:03 actually considering Chris is going to put everyone in danger on no grave, by opening a fountain it lines up with the real chara’s willingness to do anything for a certain goal. Also, they were not sadistic in the real life. If she was, you have to call half the monsters in Undertale sadistic. Also frisk actually doesn’t care for monsters since all the hatred on genocide is coming from them “ do you really hate me that much” In fact, they laugh at the fact that they killed her. A bunch of dogs if you check the dog food after killing the dogs
@667link5
@667link5 Ай бұрын
Ok, this video is amazing, and I love that you had the courage and ability to compile and edit all this information, but there is one detail that you pointed out that I disagree with. Around 12:16, you said that: "There is one key aspect I think is intentional; "let us erase this pointless world and move on to the next" Well, the next world could mean another Undertale timeline..." I don't think that is true. After two genocide runs, Chara says: "This SOUL resonates with a strange feeling. There is a reason you continue to recreate this world. There is a reason you continue to destroy it. You. You are wracked with a perverted sentimentality. Hmm. I cannot understand these feelings anymore." It's a small detail, but I feel like it is wildly important to this conversation. I do not know if you address this later in the video, because as soon as I heard that I paused the game, looked up dialogue, and wrote this comment. Bottom line is, I am really happy that I found this video, and thank you for making it.
@667link5
@667link5 Ай бұрын
After looking at the time of the other comments, it seems I am late to the party :/
@godslaughter
@godslaughter 10 ай бұрын
oh boy oh boy, I actually really love your explanation and analysis of the usage of the "you" pronoun. That was brilliantly said, hats off
@shelbybayer200
@shelbybayer200 10 ай бұрын
Red eyes are just Traces of the Red soul's power of Determination
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
Could be, but there's no clear evidence for or against that
@okey664
@okey664 10 ай бұрын
Kris, frisk and chara. KFC
@dumpanimator
@dumpanimator 4 ай бұрын
So i just see Kickstarter banner of undertale and umm Frisk eye is brown on that banner But science it is kick starter it could be canon and not canon
@misadique845
@misadique845 10 ай бұрын
Noelle's skin color slightly changes.
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
Ok, but not as drastically as Kris's. I would urge you to keep your comments on a single thread, as it is easier to follow. This is the third comment going over minute details from you. I think it's best to have a discussion only on one
@misadique845
@misadique845 10 ай бұрын
@@tanyas. I kinda made them as I was watching the video, they were thoughts that came into mind so I just typed them out.
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
Please do this in the future
@Knux5577
@Knux5577 8 ай бұрын
While this is an interesting interpretation and theory... and has some good points, I don't agree with the red soul being called the determination soul. It's stated in the true lab that all human souls have determination in them. You've probably already addressed this in the comments before though.
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 8 ай бұрын
My interpretation was based on the assumption that a soul's defining trait determines its color/properties. Just because someone's soul is defined first by patience, it doesn't mean that it cannot be kind or brave. The same thing could apply to the red soul.
@jayrry
@jayrry 10 ай бұрын
the power of kfc shines within you
@noahnaugler7611
@noahnaugler7611 10 ай бұрын
Is Ralsei the vessel?
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
Pretty sure it isn't, but who knows?;)
@gamingmemento1195
@gamingmemento1195 10 ай бұрын
ah yes fck my favorite i perfer kfc though or if you want it in order cfk
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
I thought phonetically it sounded the best like that
@misadique845
@misadique845 10 ай бұрын
I still think it's highly likely "Your choices don't matter" is going to be subverted.
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
I think it was already subverted to an extent- we see the impact our choices have on Noelle, Berdly and the entirety of Castle Town. Wether that warrants very distinct endings like in UT, we don't know- the trajectory in the first two chapters says the opposite, but we don't even have a third of the game yet, so who knows
@misadique845
@misadique845 10 ай бұрын
@@tanyas. Mhm, plus something very suspicious is that the last Gaster tweet literally says "I LOOK FORWARD TO CREATING A NEW FUTURE WITH YOU."
@eeereno2259
@eeereno2259 10 ай бұрын
​@tanyas. Eh, I disagree slightly. It's true that it HAS been displayed that are choices have drastically effect some story elements, we need to consider the whole thing as a whole. I think from what Toby said, considering there will only be ONE ending, the things we do to lead up to the ending, the routes to choose.. it won't matter. In the grand scheme of things, we can't change the inevitable ending that will occur, no matter what choices we make. I believe what it is saying is that your choices do have effect, but it won't change the outcome.
@eeereno2259
@eeereno2259 10 ай бұрын
It's pretty eerie considering that the ending is that unchangeable, it must be something that will occur that even the player can't change. Maybe the roaring?
@Hex.A.Decimal
@Hex.A.Decimal 10 ай бұрын
I feel strongly like it will be a 'the destination is in the journey' story and all will be erased again in the end. Unstable time loop more or less.
@kobcube
@kobcube 8 ай бұрын
the KFC connection
@ChaosHorseStudiosReal
@ChaosHorseStudiosReal 10 ай бұрын
I love KFC
@Mythicsparks
@Mythicsparks 10 ай бұрын
kris frisk chara KFC
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
Haha, I thought about it, but chronologically and phonetically it is more appropriate that way
@stillarandomperson
@stillarandomperson 10 ай бұрын
“crisis healthy chara KFC” - the translation it gave me for some reason
@unreactivecontent
@unreactivecontent 10 ай бұрын
merch is not cannon
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
In my previous video I have a whole paragraph talking about that very thing :)
@unreactivecontent
@unreactivecontent 10 ай бұрын
@@tanyas. you don't get it, i'm talking about the inability of undertale merch to launch heavy boulders
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
@@unreactivecontent oh... well time to see if my sans plushie can disprove it :))
@unreactivecontent
@unreactivecontent 10 ай бұрын
@@tanyas. whatever you do, remember the awesome sauce
@justrad7637
@justrad7637 10 ай бұрын
its not kara its chara
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
There is no confirmed pronounciation, if that's what you're referring to. The most logical one would be like pronouncing "character", since that's where the name supposedly comes from
@justrad7637
@justrad7637 10 ай бұрын
there is and its chara @@tanyas.
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
Where did you get that information from?
@loofsap5118
@loofsap5118 10 ай бұрын
kfc gang
@Eden-vx7tx
@Eden-vx7tx 6 ай бұрын
interesting video but bruh chara’s not evil 💀💀 very tired of this characterization of chara, to the point where i’ve been arguing this for almost 5 years, like sure chara wasn’t perfect but they are much more than just an “evil human” stereotype
@nonbinarybastard
@nonbinarybastard 10 ай бұрын
Kris does not distance ralsei, they just aren’t close to him ralsei tea still heals them but just not as much as Susie and if I remember ralsei tea only heals 10 less than noelles who kris has an estranged, friendship with
@tanyas.
@tanyas. 10 ай бұрын
There are multiple instances in which ralsei is dismissive/upset about kris's feelings (Post-spamton battle, Susie imagination exercises, acid photoshoot) in favor of the player's enjoyment. Subtle hints that Kris is distant towards ralsei are sprinkled throughout the game, especially in ch2- there is a bit of tension between them. Notice that I used "apparent" and "may have" in the sentence, because it is still up to interpretation the extent to which kris is weary of ralsei.
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