The Price of Freedom - Let's Play Crisis Core Reunion Part 18 Ending [Chapter 10 Blind PC Gameplay]

In part 18 ending of this blind Crisis Core Reunion gameplay/walkthrough w/ Welonz, Zack and Cloud come to the end of their escape journey.
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► Crisis Core Reunion Story Synopsis
CRISIS CORE -FINAL FANTASY VII- REUNION is the HD remaster version of the smash hit prequel to FINAL FANTASY VII.
In addition to all graphics being remastered in HD, fully voiced dialogue and new soundtrack arrangements make for a dynamic new retelling of a beloved classic.
CRISIS CORE -FINAL FANTASY VII- REUNION follows the story of Zack Fair, a young warrior admired by the boy destined to save the world, trusted by men renowned as heroes of legend, and loved by the girl who holds the fate of the planet in her hands. The tale of Zack's dreams and honor-the legacy that connects him to Cloud-is revealed in full in this grand saga that has broken the limits of an HD remaster.
#CrisisCoreReunion #CrisisCore #FF7R #FinalFantasyVII #FinalFantasy7 #FF7 #SquareEnix

[@Welonz]

Ending part with copyright music: streamable.com/tvei7d Post-credits scene I accidentally skipped: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmWmhnuleNGqkKc I said this at the end too but pleeease don't confirm or deny any theorizing - that's the same as posting outright spoilers 💀(which I will ban for!!!) Hope you enjoyed Crisis Core Reunion, and I'll see you back here for Rebirth!

[@kingragnarok7302]

"Cloud, you have to carry my dreams... You have to... Reach 1% on sword proficiency..."

[@Tigerchick70]

Zack and Cloud were in the tubes for 4 years. It took them almost one year to get near Midgar. That's why Cloud said to Tifa in Remake he hasn't seen her in 5 years. Zack died in late September and ff7 started in December.

[@MildlySweetCappuccino]

Second this!

[@paulunga]

I also love Tifa's reaction to Cloud's remark.

[@gremsen1335]

The real gift of the goddess was the loveless quotes we made along the way.

[@gremsen1335]

In all seriousness, the game might be weird, but the overall story does hold up. Zack is a good character

[@GrahamChapman]

Whelp, I am never going to get a better opportunity to respond to a comment with this clip, so I am going for it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gnq4Z6x6obasr80

[@ArtemioM05]

Materwelonz time traveling to answer her past self's questions. Truly we have come full circle XD

[@AY-rf9xo]

I expect a Rebirth post-mortem and one for Part 3 when it comes out lol

[@sunkeyavad6528]

Glycerin magician at work.

[@gabedamien]

Re: four years: most of that time they were in the "test tubes" as you call them. Zack hasn't been lugging Cloud along for that long. It's been presumably just days or weeks [edit: actually months, see reply] since they broke out of Shinra manor.

[@Absurdated]

Rather weeks/months, since it's across half the world (then again, Banora is supposed to be not on the same continent as Nibelheim or Gongaga, yet Zack drove there on a motorcycle...)

[@bluebirdsigma]

@@Absurdated maybe Lazard took them flying towards the southern islands.

[@Aranya1998]

Zack: My dreams, my honour, they are yours now... Cloud: Cool, is Aerith mine now too? Zack: Let's not get carried away, man.

[@k1a2r3n4]

They’ve been in the tanks for 4 years not on the run. Ff7 is one year after crisis core. So essentially in remake when cloud and tifa talk about nibelhim its been 5 years

[@shanajeangedeon9060]

I just realized that Zack's fight with the infantrymen lasts longer in CC than it does in Remake. He fought for longer in CC because it was raining when he was dead, but in Remake he was already leaving with Cloud BEFORE it even started; the Remake fight must've had less people sent for it to have ended sooner.

[@Dingg00se]

Or, the common joke where the Remake Zack did all the side missions as opposed to the CC Zack that didn't

[@grank6]

basicly the entirty of the 4 years was spent in that lab

[@Gankhisprawn]

This. They were in the tanks and experimented on for almost all that time. That’s why cloud had such a severe case of Mako poisoning and was basically doing his best Weekend at Bernie’s impression for the last part of the game. They were on the run for months. I’ve read anywhere from 2 to 10, but I’m not sure if it’s just speculation.

[@ThomasMurch]

37:21 - The Whispers are so powerful that they managed to give this video its own flashback sequence ... truly their powers are unmatched. 42:19 - Oh, drat, now I need to revisit the Legacy of Kain games...

[@sunkeyavad6528]

18:40 I'm thinking more like being experimented on for most of those 4 years. I don't think he would lose track of time THAT much to be so surprised by it. That would take some AINI Ryuki level of brain damage. Also, if it's 4 years on the run that would also mean that Coma-Cloud was just carried around for 4 years with no recovery.

[@Passolargo_Junior]

We can hear Genesis one last time reciting LOVELESS in this game. Lovely.

[@kingragnarok7302]

Not even death can stop this man.

[@Tk_Sorainu_Atlas]

I do think there is a possibility that Aerith not being at the church is because she left for Kalm, not to show that specifically, but to show Zack's shock and confusion that she isn't there, that the flowers are torn up, and people are distressed. All signs something bad has happened since she always took care of the flowers and others. Like you said, disaster happened in Midgar, but Zack wouldn't be aware of it if he was suddenly brought back because Cloud and friends defeated Destiny

[@DroWarriorOfLight]

That's the perfect summary there. As a fan of the OG, my favorite parts of CC are the one with things from there but not the Angeals the Holanders and the Genesis 🤣. Also the pain and the tragedy of the end with Zack and his closest people. Other than that, what I'm glad is that it gives you some more questions of some people's deal because that'll make Rebirth more enjoyable without the need to know the details before, that's fun!

[@theazureknight9399]

Fun fact, Cissnei is the protagonist of a FVII Mobile Game that was released exclusively in Japan. One more thing. You seem to have skipped the small post credits scene.

[@odjn5157]

I think what people feared most, besides the Zack scene at the end, was that this title (if you have the info the Remake gives you well present) can answer several of the questions you posed thus ruining your enjoyment when Rebirth will inevitably bring these interrogatives up. Anyway, enjoyed your playthrough. Crisis Core is definetly a game of it's era, and is quite divisive for those same elements you cited. The original FF7 was also quite goofy in places, but translating that type of humor (done with limited assets and no voice acting) is not always an easy thing to do in a more modern title.

[@VitunVatiVille]

Zack wasnt on the run for 4 years he was in the test tubes with Cloud for that long. Thats why Tifa isnt surprised that Cloud "made" it in soldier cuz he was hidden for so long and had the soldier outfit which Zack gave him and the mako eyes because of all the tests that were done to him which is why he was a complete mess.

[@coldDrive]

As dumb as this game is, Zack is wonderful all the way through. This guy is stuck with the worst anime theater kid on the planet as an antagonist, and put in unsalvageable situations over and over, yet still he makes the most of it. He seems honest and cocky and loving in every interaction.

[@jackjacques7495]

Yes, there is still a very short but important gap of time between Cloud arriving at Midgar, and the start of og FF7/Remake, so its ok to still be confused as to how exactly this ending leads up to the start of that game, particularly concerning Cloud's mental state, which suffice to say, is a complete mess after everything that happened in Crisis Core. All those things are explained in og FF7, so I expect the remake to do so as well. Great playthrough, I hope you enjoyed it.

[@53myxytl13]

In a previous Crisis Core video, you were wondering why you thought Jenova was an alien. It's likely an idea you got from your FF7R play-through, episode 40 at 49m58s . Direct link with timestamp kzbin.info/www/bejne/fXbPmGmOhNWDnKM In another Crisis Core video, you were also wondering where you had heard the name Ifalna before. Ifalna is mentioned once in FF7R, episode 37, of your FF7R play-through at 38m01s. Direct link with timestamp: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXOnpnljmc-spLs As for why the Crisis Core scientist call Ifalna the (late) last Ancient when Aerith is alive, the answer can be found in episode 37 of your FF7R play-through at 37m19s (direct link kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXOnpnljmc-spLs ) and also in episode 39 of your FF7R play-through at 11m58s (direct link kzbin.info/www/bejne/fH7EYmWnfqimgNU )

[@sunkeyavad6528]

34:00 Don't forget to eat his hair on the way out, Cloud.

[@didinau]

Plus Cloud has S cells in him after expiriments

[@tinatinarmainteresebs9255]

It's amazing that you went into this completely unspoilered! Not only that, but expecting a different outcome thanks to Remake, it makes the reaction so much better! You can imagine how those players who grew up crying over CC's ending, fighting Shinra troopers for hours trying to change fate, must have felt watching the Remake's ending lol This is not a spoiler cause it was mentioned in the Remake but the localization simply butchered that part, but there's very little time between CC ending and 7's beginning, a matter or days or at most weeks. What's fascinating about playing this without OG is that one won't *know* what was spoiled for them by this game until these problems are put before them, and it will be so interesting to see how Rebirth goes about it or even *if* it goes about it. And to see if you'll catch what was the deal there! Also, if anyone tries to act like they know what's going on with Zack coming back and will try to judge your theories, don't listen to them, literally *no one* knows what is happening, old or new hahaha I would still recommend to at least rewatch Remake cutscenes for fun while CC is still fresh on your mind, because there is SO MUCH that will either become clearer or will gain a whole new meaning now, especially in scenes between Cloud and Tifa or Cloud and Aerith!

[@sunkeyavad6528]

48:29 That's a strange way to say Cissnei.

[@TheZillionX]

Firstly great series! and secondly its so interesting watching you play the games in such an order your getting information in such a different way compared to playing the OG ff7. Lastly Crisis Core reception when it first released was a very mixed bag from fans gameplay wise and story so you are not alone with some of your issues. Looking forward to Rebirth!

[@sunkeyavad6528]

36:30 As I understand it the remake isn't even a remake but a sequel with some time loop / parallel dimension shenanigans going on. In the original timeline Zack apparently does die, which makes him being alive in remake a huge deal. Alot of people seem to hate that remake does things differently, but I (also not knowing the original) think it's quite clever. That way you can't know what's going to happen even if you know the original and if they do their job well we get 2 good versions of the game. Just an extra route. They might even be able to then do an actual remake/remaster of the original route aswell.

[@sunkeyavad6528]

Oh no, now the entire lifestream will be filled with poetry.

[@Akavy]

The only thing better than an LP with Welonz is an LP with two Welonzes.

[@Taikoubou07]

I played the og game, but not Crisis Core yet, so I didn't know exactly what kind of information it has. But at the end, it's not that bad. I think you'll get very confused when you play Rebirth, the very beginning specifically.

[@naoxmon]

Couldn't really take most of the game / story seriously but that whole final scene between Cloud and Zack was actually pretty moving. Still enjoyed the whole playthrough a lot though, and imo the VAs did a good job considering what they had to work with :P

[@CrazeeAdam]

I think the last couple chapters were pretty engrossing. Like once Cloud showed up pretty much. But.. I think a lot of it could have been trimmed down.

[@phenompy]

The loveless avenue huge sign has always been there even in the original game. But thanks to this game, I can't really see it anymore without cringing, fearing Genesis could pop up from some corner reciting poetry at any moment 😂

[@bensono8601]

Conflict resolved I guess. As someone that loves the OG FF7 and never played this on PSP, I dropped the "Reunion" after like 2 hours because of the gameplay. I was so glad you picked it up so I can see the story without "suffering" through all the activated combat modes myself.

[@RebirthCrusader90]

Yeah, most of the fans agree that Genesis/Angeal aren't why we played Crisis Core back in the day lol. We just wanted more Zack/Sephiroth/Cloud, and a look at the Nibelheim incident, so you're right on point with only caring about that stuff. A lot of my interest in this was if they would allude to anything that's specifically Remake lore, but this is very faithful to the original CC aside from the feel of combat. The combat in this remaster feels pretty different from the OG (combat in the OG was kind of dated/bad which is why they changed it), so that's the reason I bothered buying it. It's not my favorite gameplay of the year, but with the context of the original CC it made me enjoy the game more than I ever did before.

[@Puff_Chady]

20:18 Yep. That's Weiss and Nero.

[@sunkeyavad6528]

59:00 If you notice any significant events or connections on that rewatch you could put them in a small video aswell. Just an idea.

[@toonzy4027]

Love the theorycrafting at the end! You may not know everything from original FF7 yet, but even playing CC it's fun to see you start playing with new ideas on the Remake ending. Looking forward to Rebirth!

[@zaneomega2]

Yes that was Weiss, it was a nice teaser for the Dirge of Cerberus game. No one's sure why they added him to the Yuffie dlc

[@remem95]

Thank you for the LP and kudos for enduring the character that is Genesis :D I honestly dont have much hope that the whole Zack surviving thing will be used to say anything profound in the end of Rebirth (or part 3), because we are still looking at Nomura writing these games. They could make an interesting scene if they made the characters meet up at a very specific point (after that other very specific point). Like. If there are 2 Clouds running around in the same timeline now, that would make things really weird is what Im saying.

[@DarthJF]

Little thing you got wrong. Zack and Cloud weren't on the run for four years, they were experimented for four years before escaping.

[@aoiumixiv]

Seeing people theorycraft this game is so much fun. I honestly can't wait to see you play the og whenever that happens!

[@Tetsujin_MK]

I feel like people in here are already overexplaining everything lmao Are you gonna be playing FFXVI on here when it's out?

[@Yunachis]

Thanks for playing this Welonz! It’s really interesting to see someone play this series in this order and hear your theories. Looking forward to rebirth! :)

[@Sheechiibii]

I was so sceptical about you being spoiled by this game but it has turned out alright, given you more to think about but hasn't really put things together. It's one of those if you know you see it entirely differently but they actually didn't spell much our here for newcomers. I've really liked your playthrough, and can't wait for both Rebirth and your playthrough of it! I look forward to you revisiting remake as well in the lead up to it, we'll all need the refresher I'm sure!

[@jerodast]

I don't think there's a way for someone to appreciate whether it was really a spoiler or not without a) seeing what either the OG/Rebirth "reveals" and considering whether the dramatic impact was lessened and b) trying it once in one order and once in the other, which is of course impossible. So you'll never really know. I will say, I think there are some more direct "wait what?"s she hasn't had that new players might if they compare certain direct statements in Remake to what she saw in CC, so perhaps it's for the best new players' memories may have gotten a little hazy between Remake and CC. In any case, what's done is done.

[@ecillariverie8496]

I love the analysis in the end! Thank you!

[@owsc3970]

The truth is, no one really knows what the hell is going on. We only know Zack survived when he didn't in OG, a long with another (possibly more) character in Remake part 1. And Midgar is not even 1/3 of the original game. The last one must be gigantic.

[@boozeman4749]

I gotta say, it's really cool watching new players trying to figure it out.

[@Tk_Sorainu_Atlas]

The Remake's alternate past/present/future is hypothesized that because Cloud and friends defeated the collective Whisper being Destiny, they've changed their futures and pasts - ie. Zack didn't die this time. The common debate however is that no one can tell if Zack being alive is a separate timeline altogether and they'll still never meet, or if it's the same one and he'll meet back up with Cloud and Aerith at some point. Because that flashback in Remake where Cloud and Aerith pass Cloud and Zack could mean either it's just a flashback to the now edited past, or it could mean these timelines are coexisting side by side but can't interact. So the parts you played through in Remake where Aerith talks about a former love happened before Destiny was defeated, before the characters effectively edited their timeline. And the idea of a second Buster Sword could be a glitch result of the group having played with time. See because looking again at the end of Intermission, you commented that the disaster happened there too at the church But! The disaster of that area and when Zack died in Crisis Core originally don't line up time wise. Cloud was with Avalanche already when all the shit started happening in Midgar. This supports the possibility that Zack has returned in present day only. Because Aerith not being at the church would be because, as seen at the end of Remake, she leaves Midgar with the group. Or like you said, she could be in an entirely different timeline. (I love your playthrough though by the way!!)

[@Calintares]

One thing I liked about Crisis Core when I played it on the PSP was that you could completely abuse the fusion mechanic to utterly break the game, which is a thing I enjoy. The final storybosses would be complete pushovers, but there are missions that go insanely way beyond that, including an absurd superboss that is great thing for people who like the combat system of Crisis Core.

[@Absurdated]

13:25 - "Who is that?" Unless something is _heavily_ rewritten, you won't see this "person" again. You can get some hints in the M9-6 questline, but these missions are much, much harder than any storyline battles. This being is called Minerva and is something something manifestation of lifestream itself. 54:04 - "If you gave me a choice ..." They _did_ update the gameplay. Originally DMW was noteably more annoying and the combat as a whole much less fluid.

[@jerodast]

Good lord I am trying to imagine an even worse DMW and I just...can't... I don't know which is worse, the direct UI distractingness of it, the gating of important story points behind it, or the amount of effort spent developing a convoluted system to mask a simple "random s*** happens in combat" concept.

[@gabedamien]

Really enjoyed watching you play through CCR, Materwelonz! Thanks for your thoughts at the end. Like many FF7 OG fans, I don't exactly love CC(R), it's definitely a wacky Japanese mobile Nomura-esque oddity. But it's great to see your reactions to some of the plot points especially with respect to Zack, Cloud, Aerith, and the ending compared to Remake / Rebirth. Very much looking forward to your playthrough of Rebirth!

[@echoplanet2000]

as a FF7 OG fan, I really enjoyed Crisis Core. But it's a companion piece at best, just like Materwelonz said. It doesn't really work as a standalone.

[@didinau]

Exactly, is it happening in the same timeline? Glad you caught it, Zack survived in some other timeline.

[@Burningskull13]

You know, Genesis gets a bad rap but, and this is just a theory, he was right. My theory was that those pedastals that hade Loveless on them are how they found the poem / play and is why the 5 act is missiong. Genesis basically treated it like the Bible and at the end of the game he's healed and meets the Goddess. Spoiler for later Missions: But you can actually fight the Goddess you see in Genesis' cutscene. Supposedly she is the will of the Lifestream / Planet. But that's outside the game theory.

[@jerodast]

Wellll thanks for the playthrough! Definitely glad I didn't "have to" play this game myself haha. And I think I contained myself from arguing with toooo many year-old comments about spoilers :P

[@Keladrie]

Hey welonz, I just wanted to bring this up, the voice acting direction of this game really didn't work with the new voice actors. I know you're going through other games and you're probably busy, but if you have any free time, you should try and find the cutscenes for the original crisis core game. The voice actor for Zack in the original pulled off the lines much better, and everything just felt better overall.

[@treizesetton2545]

My theory is that your first assumption that the Zack fight in remake is happening simultaneously is kind of right ? As in, that things keep looping in different timelines, and the whispers attempt to keep it the way it was in the OG FF7. Thus the "we can change it" Aerith says in Remake (she does seem to have some knowledge about the multiple timelines things).

[@jerodast]

The whispers in a shell over Midgar implies Zack's showdown happens at the same time as the finale of FF7R, but the fact that in any timeline this is when Cloud would be FIRST returning to Midgar implies it's happening beforehand. I first saw the intercutting at the end of FF7R as another implication of (parallel) simultaneity, but in retrospect it's maybe ambiguous if it's a "flashback". Sooo gave up on that and now about to dive into Rebirth to find out haha. It would be weird if not only there are multiple timelines but also a "stitch" in one of them, where events don't even line up in parallel...

[@ClaireVVH]

Does this make you want to play the og? To get all the answers? Also Ffvii franchise: "even if the morrow is barren of promises, nothing shall forestall my return."

[@TevyaSmolka]

This ending was just sad and depressing

[@lordatrexia]

Crisis Core is a super goofy game that’s very much a product of its Tim’e but I think that’s definitely part of its charm - and it’s probably fair to say charm is it’s strong point. Thanks a lot for another amazing playthrough Welonz, it’s got me way too excited for Rebirth, just unfortunately way too soon 🥲

[@anonymouslypseudonymous2060]

Oh thank god someone else acknowledging that even by Square Enix and Final Fantasy and JRPG standards Crisis Core is really, really goofy. But yeah for sure agree that adds a sort of dated, uniquely bizarre charm to it.

[@AY-rf9xo]

Oh no she skipped my favorite part!!! The post credit scene 😢. Oh well, I’m glad she enjoyed her playthrough though!

[@Welonz]

I went back for it! kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmWmhnuleNGqkKc

[@anonymouslypseudonymous2060]

Nice, going back for it so quickly after realizing you missed it, now that's dedication to the story

[@AY-rf9xo]

@@Welonz you really didn’t have to do it omg! This is why you’re my favorite story/lore LPer!!! I know it’s basically just the beginning scene off FF7, but I really like how it’s another visual representation of the torch being passed from Zack to Cloud, and it makes for a cool segway to replaying the original game or Remake! Thanks again Welonz, and I can’t wait to see your Rebirth playthrough!

[@CrazeeAdam]

Zack wanted to be a hero.. And in the end he was. He laid down his life for another, not much else is more heroic than that.

[@didinau]

Did Cloud actully become a SOLDIER, hm? Good question

[@CrazeeAdam]

Also yeah. The ending of this game is why people freaked out when Zack is apparently still alive dragging himself and Cloud to Midgar at the end of FF7R. Also the whole point of FF7R was the group was messing around with fate. That things are distinctly different now than in the past games. It's VERY Meta to say the least. That because of the in game characters messing around with fate, the past games events have in fact changed. The original FF7 and Crisis Core events have been changed to some extent and sometimes in a big way.

[@echoplanet2000]

Great playthrough! I'm so glad you are now on the same page as us with reference points. The popular belief is that this is an alternate timeline.... Another point of view is this... remember when Cloud and company went into that portal that Aerith created at the end of Remake? I wonder if they crossed over into THIS (Zack is Alive) timeline? My recommendation is that you play the classic Original Game from the 90's. It will really give you a bigger perspective. As far as timing goes, Playing OG FF7 will help clear up what's going on with Cloud. I would say, most people were expecting remake to be an exact retelling of OG FF7 however, I do think the FF7 Remake series is a new game series. Either way, this was the best play through yet! Thanks for sharing your experience with us! As far as the remaster updating: I agree with you 100% This game could have had a 100% foundation update. Either way, this was great fun! Can't wait to see the next game! Cheers!

[@richardkhchang]

It won't be apparent how Crisis Core spoils the original story (and presumably part of the Remake story) until you actually see what happens in Rebirth or the one after that (unless they completely change it). But I agree, Crisis Core isn't great. It's just crowd-pleasing for people already obsessed with the universe. The original game is way more artful and substantive storytelling (still a bad localization, though).

[@zenicehero9154]

Crisis Core is a Great prequel JRPG of Final Fantasy 7 im def wanna play this

[@mnoble5406]

Boy oh Boy, that was a great series.

[@menarddelacruz7537]

Maybe they got the jenova cells in zack and put it in cloud so he's memories and personality got pretty mess up because jenova cells can copy pretty much every person just my theory

[@rosieposie1586]

22:29, they were in the text tube for 4 years and on the run for 1 year

[@Ziliverina]

The Turks looking for Zack becomes way more interesting with the parallel events of Before Crisis >< I believe the plot of BC will make it into the upcoming mobile game Ever Crisis. Do you think you may be playing that too? Thank you for this LP, it was amazing hearing your 1st time reactions.

[@Burningskull13]

The combat wasn't ass good as FF7Remake. But it's a MAJOR improvement over the PSP game.

[@APaulingGameplay]

FF7 Crisis Core drinking game - Have a drink every time Genesis says "Gift of the Goddess"

[@bradleydrake6941]

Rather the 7th game remake was the deviation while crisis core reunion stayed the same to the original crisis core

[@bubbasbigblast8563]

Remake's Zach is from a different dimension, since we see Shinra's propaganda dog is a different breed in the world Zach is in, as opposed to the one you actually play the game in. Or basically, THIS is what is supposed to happen, before the Whispers got offed. And yes, there are implications that Sephiroth can travel dimensions, but I'm not gonna even _begin_ to touch that iceberg, because then we have to talk about him and Kingdom Hearts and...yeah, not touching that.

[@anonymouslypseudonymous2060]

Kingdom Hearts Sephiroth is so bizarre, fr. And I hadn't caught that about the dogs being different, thanks!

[@tinatinkvirkvelia1317]

The difference in quality between CC Reunion and Remake is all because Reunion is absolutely an old PSP game - with the same script, the same (then unvoiced) dialogue and exaggerated character movement that is meant to overcompensate for said lack of voice, the same direction, the same gameplay sans combat, basically everything is the same taken from an old handheld console with a new paint on it and now fully voice acted. In essence it's still very much the same old PSP game, just a bit prettier. Meanwhile the Remake is a completely new game from the ground up - new graphics, gameplay, script, a lot of story, dialogue, character movement taken from actual motion capture actors - basically everything is a brand new game with all the modern sensibilities and technical abilities. It's kinda impossible to compare the two as equal entities because they're practically games from different generations and consoles.

[@MentleGan]

I have a strong feeling that FF7R Part 2 might depart from the OG, as we get some crazy cutscenes on Zack here. Maybe they are trying to get Crisis Core to fit better with FF7R? The timing of this remake and the fact that nothing has been changed at the last part.... idk man, ma hed herts lol For the last part in CC, I think Cloud waking up right at the end is sort of like a passing of the torch from Zack to Cloud. I really liked it, FF7R is very dear to my heart from your LP and this has re-ignited the flame. Loved it, really loved it. I cannot wait to watch (and maybe play this time??) FF7R2.

[@laurajanco2i]

It's not bad to say that the dialogues didn't age well. They're cheesy and a bit cringy, but I appreciate that they become more serious the closest we get to the Nibelheim incident (and it makes sense, since that, as you said, is also the focal part of the original main game and it had much better dialogue) Crisis Core is a remaster, so they just wanted to make it look more appealing, but the dialogues are 90% the same. Remake, though, doesn't just update things, they totally adapted and expanded things, to the point it becomes a stand-alone game. Except for the most iconic scenes, all the dialogues in Remake are completely new and even entire chapters (like chapter 4-6-14-18), also never existed in the original. In case you didn't know this, the length of Remake, is very similar to the length of the entire original game and we still have other two parts to complete the trilogy (FF7 Rebirth and the third game, which will be the trilogy's endgame) Other than that, wait for Rebirth to have the weirdest stuff happening, because if you thought fighting with parasols was ridiculous, Rebirth is gonna blow your mind with its quirkiness... it's a staple for the game. Though if I have to be honest, I'm sure the game will make those experiences extremely fun and flow really well like they did with Cloud crossdressing (which was in the original). It might seem silly at first, but that's FF7's magic, going from angst to absurd situations in a second😂😂

[@sunkeyavad6528]

38:30 Hey, doesn't that also mean that there's 2 Clouds there. One carried with Zack and outside of the trashbag-ghost enshrouded city and one within? 42:35 I'm pretty sure it's not a flashback. The whispers around the city like that happens only in the present. Looks more like a timelines overlapping thing to me. Which might also be why Aerith can sense him. The question then is did they only temporarily overlap and then reverted back or did Zack actually cross over and was originally dead in the present timeline too? 2 Buster swords strongly implies that Zack definitely crossed over. Or mayber we're actually watching 2 separate timelines still. So far Zack and Cloud have not met after all.

[@Shumz23]

I loved your FF7 Playthrough, cant wait for you to play Rebirth, Demo is out and i'm so curious what you think of it after only playing remake and crisis core without OG knowledge. But seems like you wait for the full release? guess i have to wait till then. Looking forward to it :)

[@Welonz]

yes, I am waiting for the full game, not much longer now! Using this time to review the story up until now too :)

[@anonymouslypseudonymous2060]

Just out of curiosity, do you think you're ever going to (somehow) play or even watch the original Final Fantasy 7 game story?

[@Whateveridontcaremeh]

The key is the dog 🐶

[@paulunga]

Thanks for doing this! I tried playing CC on the PSP back in the day, but the writing (or maybe translation) kept me away. And, Jesus Christ, fuck Genesis. Seriously, what a dope. I can think of very few characters in media that are as eye-roll-inducing. Edit: And now that I've finished Remake I can watch the post-credits comparison with that game. Edit edit: Aw man, there's an INTERmission scene, too? D:

[@didinau]

Oh no, you've missed the final cutscene after credits

[@gabedamien]

She went back for it! See ep 18.5

[@didinau]

@@gabedamien where is it? Edit. Oh, nevermind. Found it

[@gabedamien]

@@didinau See Welonz's pinned comment, second link

[@fnglert]

Re, the continuity differences between crisis core and remake; my theory is that the whispers muck with the timeline / continuity. CC is canon with the original FF7 and is consistent with that, but remake is - ... well, the whispers muck with continuity.

[@lovelessamphitheater4287]

Funny thing is the whispers were actually said to represent us as fans cause soo many people kept complaining how they didnt like zack getting killed soo technically the whispers are there to retcon everything..like sephiroth says that he will change everything and before the sephiroth boss fight aerith says that the place we are about to enter is something entirely new and even she wont know anything even if she tapped into the life stream..Aerith was supposed to die there and reunite with zack but she didnt ...everything about the OG final fantasy 7 is about to be retconned in Ff7 rebirth soo you can rest easy if u havent played any of the original..

[@YoshuraEU]

The order of FF7 is FF7 Crisis Core - FF7 - Advent Children - Dirge of Cerberus - FF7 Remake. In FF7 Zack is dead but in Remake post Advent Children Septhiroth uses the Lifestream to mess with Cloud and take control of clones in the past. FF7 Remake is FF7-2. The 'Remake' in the title was a bit of a bait by Square. Think of the Remake in the title as more of FF7 Remaking fate. As it refers to Aerith and Sephiroth using the lifestream to change the past. FF7 lore is super confusing as it's been expanded on so much.

[@blakejordan3978]

SquareEnix, at least with the Final Fantasy games, treat localizations as one-and-done. For example, every release of FF4 has used the same script since the Playstation 1 release back in like, 2000. CC almost certainly uses the exact same translated script as it did when it first came out...whenever it did. Very little has changed except for things I can't get into for spoilery reasons.

[@Nexdex]

Crisis Core Reunion has a few changes in the script. Some of the classic FFs also have had one or more re-translations.

[@Whateveridontcaremeh]

We were all confused at remake and crafting theories because Zack is pretty much dead on OG and crisis core

[@Nexdex]

Wait, where is the post credits scene? :P

[@Welonz]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmWmhnuleNGqkKc

[@tgwolf7575]

The theory is that Zack was never meant to die but was considered a threat to the timeline the Whispers were trying to maintain. If you are of a higher level and use something like Aerial Drain to stay healed you can keep the fight going forever and you'll notice how suspicious it is that the enemies literally never run out. It is believed the Whispers were creating infinite copies of Shinra Troops to ensure Zack was killed but when you destroyed their source; the Arbiter in FF7R it stopped them and allowed him to survive. It also explains why the Turks were never able to find Zack and why Midgar only became visible to him AFTER they were destroyed.

[@GrahamChapman]

And now I bet you can put a lot of new metaphorical meta significance into Aerith's "I miss it... the steel sky." There is just _so much_ that Remake's ending changes and/or otherwise just plain flips upside down with just Zack's survival. It's flipping insane. Question: Are you planning on doing an episode going up against Crisis Core's super boss? (Wouldn't blame you if you decided not to because, hahah, there's seriously _a lot_ of Level, Materia and Mission grinding to be done before going up against said secret boss is even viable, and your schedule might not even allow for it.) For the record, I would _not_ mind a FF7R Lore Run during the month leading up to Rebirth's release.

[@DarkNexus530]

Wasn't there one more post-credit cutscene at the end? Did you get to see it?

[@Welonz]

I accidentally skipped it but I went back for it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmWmhnuleNGqkKc

[@cosvinicios]

i cri evry tiem

[@kiwiparfaits]

this game is not very good but i do think the ending is quite strong. i think the game would be improved greatly if genesis as a character didn't exist 😂 but i agree with you completely the gameplay and writing needed an uplift way more than the graphics... praying we get to see cissnei in a future remake part! she's such a good girl

[@hayatojin2886]

Have you seen the trailer for Remake Part 2 yet (Rebirth)? Its looks crazy lol

[@Welonz]

no actually! I don't generally keep up to date with trailers, we're getting close to the release so I guess I may as well continue to skip it lol

[@O-sa-car]

Crisis Core is the prequel to FF7 so the cutscene at the end of Remake is the actual deviation

[@M0rD0l]

The final scene in Crisis Core deviates from the equivalent scene in OG, which works for the story centered around Zack, but doesn't make any sense and breaks Cloud's story.

[@raitenoh]

Another great lets play finished! Goofy game but i still cried ^^'. I didn't expect to care that much about Zack but i do care now and i want him alive for real in rebirth! Crossing fingers. I also would like to see cissnei in rebirth. I would not like to see genesis in rebirth. Gackt seems insufferable if we go by how genenis is written lol I dont get why genesis turned into a sentai giant monster then reverted back, and still was alive after being touched by the goddess? anime-ness i guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@rhythmandacoustics]

no post credit scene on PC version?

[@anieeina]

I recommend playing the OG. I have this great feeling that perhaps knowing the og will become a big factor at the rebirth. But thats only a feeling. Also congrats

[@seojaepark]

As stated before, she will not be playing the og since her perspective as a newcomer to the series gives for a different and interesting take rather than having similar experiences as older fans.

[@mrfrits94]

Let's put it this way, FF7 Remake is not a Remake to FF7, It's the Sequel. The Remake refers to Remaking the Timeline and events that happend before in the original Timeline. I honestly think that Playing FF7 the original With the Echo-S Mod would be a great help to understand everything. Oh and FYI you missed a little Scene after the credits