The Primarchs: Konrad Curze Lore - The Night Haunter (Night Lords) | Warhammer 40,000

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[@Tiglath-Pileser3]

One of the only traitor primarchs I can actually stand. I wonder about the dichotomy presented by knowing your own fate. It might make one utterly fearless in battle, knowing that this is not the day that they die. But fear of death often drives us to accomplish what would have otherwise been impossible. Too much fear could make you indecisive, but no fear at all could make you careless. I don't think I would want to follow a commander who had never wrestled with the fear or death. I'm a little saddened that some of the best writing for The Lion is in Curze's books. In much the same way that Curze and Corax are different aspects of shadows and fear, Kurze and Jonson are aspects of justice. Both are pragmatic, willing to kill a few to save many. But The Lion's justice is achieved through reason, while Konrad's is achieved through fear. And both brothers do this with minimal influence from emotion. I have this odd story bouncing around in the back of my head. One where the assassin failed, and Curze lived. This drives him deeper into madness, as his only rock was the knowledge of his future. Over the millennia, he expects more assassins, but none come. He is finally forced to conclude that his foresight was wrong. That there is a path before him that he can choose, rather than it being an inevitability. Perhaps he never returns to The Emperor's light, but he similarly does not trade his new freedom for servitude to chaos. He becomes a neutral primarch. A great galactic scalpel, painfully cutting cancers out of society.

[@TheInundation]

That is badass head canon

[@whoaitstiger]

"You are the foulest weakling I have ever seen, Lorgar!"

[@zingamaxkettlesteinjudaism6069]

He’s not wrong

[@dvdragon]

Ain't no laws when Konrad is using those claws.

[@jw7500]

Even though I prefer the story of Angron and Khârn, Conrad Curze allways had a certain air about him. Yes he seems like an edgelord and kind of a whiner, but he did get handed a bad hand of cards just like Angron. The difference is that Conrad had the option to make a choice (just like big E told him at the end), while Angron was completely eroded by the nails at the end. Even him becoming a demon prince was not his choice, but instead a scheme from Lorgar. Conrad might have turned out different if he chose Sanguinious as his mentor and teacher instead of Fulgrim. Not to say that Fulgrim is stupid, but Sanguinious is just more similar to him where his powers are concerned.

[@emjaaaay]

J W Corax is more edgelord than Curze, but yes, Curze (later in his life becomes very "edgy" because he has gone batshit) But I love Konrad, he's my favorite Primarch.

[@NingenSlayerZamasu]

Jay Walkin’? That’s a Flayin.

[@JamesLaserpimpWalsh]

hahaha brilliant.

[@tyguy6296]

"You've been charged with the crime of flay walking" "You... you mean Jay walking?" "... sure"

[@sorufa888]

Overcook chicken? Flayin, undercook chicken? Flayin. It’s the overcook/undercook

[@nelsonhicks5402]

2v1 like an older brother at a sniper's only halo match😂😂😂

[@LethargicGM]

In the name of the Nighthaunter and the prophet of the VIII legion, I claim this comment section for the Nightlords! AVE DOMINUS NOX!

[@dziri3330]

Ave dominus nox. Death is nothing compared to vindication.

[@Marc-hm6bz]

WE HAVE COME FOR YOU ! AVE DOMINUS NOX !

[@JackError787]

Ave Dominus Nox

[@terminatorofbaal7853]

Ashes nostromo!! By the night of haunter!

[@joperhop]

go cry in the corner criminals!

[@GruwskiTheDogski]

Spartacus, you forgot the whole scene of curze almost carving out his own eyes by the mire sight of the Emperor and the horrors that might befall him, only because of the emperor psychic might did Konrad fall back into sanity once more. You also forgot the entire story of which Konrad pleaded to Sanguinius to kill him, for he had seen the moment he turned traitor (Evil). Konrad Curze journey is a sad story arc of a Primarch that is pretty much the judge jury and executioner, he believed that history was on his side, that all he had done was for justice and good, the turn point is where he saw himself twisted and nothing more than a murderer, its why he hated his own legion in the end, they had become what he fought against for so long... insane murderers and tyrants. Curze could see the future sure, however never see the whole story of it, only few moments of what could be. You also forgot one major deal that goes for all of the Night Lords in general, they are in fact minor psykers, curze own psychic skills were only matched by Sanguinius.

[@jackmakila3776]

He saved a lot of people with his terror tactics he saved entire systems by torturing 1 world compared to other primarchs his kill count was among the lowest

[@d180jnr]

jack makila What if you were the one being tortured? Watching your family members flayed and dismembered slowly in front of you. Would you still think it’s better than military conquest?

[@jackmakila3776]

@@d180jnr it would be better than being conquered by the world eaters and while I obviously wouldn't like it overall less people would die

[@youtubevoice1050]

jack makila. His way of ruling through terror didn't work. The moment he was gone, people went back to their old ways. Terror doesn't lead to lasting compliance.

[@GruwskiTheDogski]

@@youtubevoice1050 No, since he weren't there in person and the elemental of fearmongering the planet faded. Hence why he returned to nuke Nostramo to pieces, to prove his point, that all he had done was in vain. Although remember, while everyone else was growing up with a mentor or being taught a lesson of humanity, Konrad were on his own all life. A lone figure in the dark, self taught.

[@jamesgarratt9334]

Well I'm not getting any sleep now that Konrad Curze is mentioned... Thanks.

[@AzureShadow88]

Why? Does he haunt your nights as well?

[@dziri3330]

**Konrad curze intensifies**

[@vinnylatoria4478]

Fear not! For Sanguinius shall protect you!

[@flyingdutchman9969]

Great vid. Throughout the video Curze started to remind me of some of the heroes in mythology. Not because of his actions (although plenty of heroes from myth could be brutal), but because he is both driven and imprisoned by Fate. Makes a certain speech near the end even more powerful.

[@arthurdaffos1490]

We strike from the darkness but only seeks the light...

[@lordphoenix4733]

Awesome lore vid sparty! As a son of Dorn I wanna believe he let Konrad attack him so he could see what has become of his brother but I know Konrad probably did kick his ass. Looking forward to the next tale in your lore vids Edit: also congrats on the 50k subs sparty! keep up the great work my dude!

[@italianspartacus]

Thanks my brother. Always happy to see your comments crop up here and there :) Yaaaa Dorn is a bad ass, but Curze is violently insane hahaha

[@lordphoenix4733]

ItalianSpartacus I do find it interesting that the first loyal primarch to greet Konrad was Dorn and if I remember correctly as well, Dorn was the also the first primarch to fight Conrad. I like to believe that was some nice writing that showed this as like a gateway or bridge in kondrads character development. Sorry if that doesn’t make any sense. Also no problem man, my mind is quite busy as of late but I try to make some time to watch your vids and to try to pop into streams

[@solortus]

36:30 I feel sorry for Konrad. Asking someone where your friend is only to be reminded that he died years ago - that's so heart breaking.

[@italianspartacus]

It's one of my favorite parts because it IS so tragic.. Easily the best primarch haha

[@spartana1116]

I like how GW added abit of hades in konrad since both were pitt rith into a planets crust abd had to craw their way to the surface

[@frostyheretic299]

Oh sweet Konrad Curze!, Ave Dominus Nox!

[@pagangodx6890]

Emperor: And they shall know no fear Konrad Kurze: I AM fear

[@tunguskalumberjack9987]

All right, my brother! A fantastic job- I have been eagerly awaiting this one Primarch video, as I know how highly you hold him in esteem. And you didn’t disappoint! I actually learned a lot of lore that I was unfamiliar with- and I really appreciated how you handled the way Curze viewed Corax- instead of just taking the easy Night Lords fan way out with, “yeah, but Curze was just better”- I didn’t expect any less from you, and you stayed true to the lore, and the task of a remembrancer. I’m going to watch it again, and give you some more impressions about it- but just to quickly get this to you- awesome job. Really- one of your best, and you know that I love your videos. Talk to you soon, man- Ave Dominus Nox.

[@italianspartacus]

Dude thank you so much!! I SAW YOUR COMMENT ON DARREN LATHAM'S KZbin! His channel is amazing. Can't wait to see your follow up comment brother. When you do, make a new one don't reply here, it'll be hard to see it after a few days! :D always look forward to your comments man

[@tunguskalumberjack9987]

ItalianSpartacus haha! Awesome! You bet, brother- I’ll get it to you via a newer video or something- keep up the kickass goodness 👍🏻. I’ve got a pretty cool idea that I’m about to work on & see if I can do it- don’t wanna spoil it but think you’d dig it! I will 100% send it on if it’s any good- and I’ll be checking out all of your other vids- surpringly, sometimes I’m just more in the mood for WHFantasy- the Old World still lives in my heart ❤️, and I can even enjoy a little (very little) AOS here and there- all right- next time, brother !

[@italianspartacus]

I'm thinking if buying some idoneth deepkin and getting into that rabbit hole

[@tunguskalumberjack9987]

ItalianSpartacus oh wow, man- I really like some of the models from that range- and some of them, not so much! But the Namarti Reavers are pretty cool looking- and that octopus with the knife? Haha- that may be just my favorite thing ever! “Watch out for that octopus- he’s got a knife!” (I know it’s called an ochtar , but it’s an octopus to me). Let me know how they come out-

[@tomgauntley]

That actually gave me the feels R.I.P Konrad

[@lorgaraurelian3392]

I haven't ever been a big fan of these guys but your videos on them have changed my mind on them, I have always thought of them as generic bad guys but there is so much more to them. I love a good tragedy and these guys are nothing if not tragic. Anyway, I'm glad I found your channel.

[@italianspartacus]

that's one of the best things someone can say to me - that i enlightened them on their opinion of a faction. i was VERY much the same way, "eh these guys just have lightning on their armor." The Night Lords trilogy should be required reading in school!! hahahah

[@76HabeasCorpus]

Man, it's been a hella long time coming this one, finally the night haunter gets the attention he's been promised and deserves. Great job! Congrats on the 50k subs and keep the top drawer content coming plz. Cheers!

[@italianspartacus]

thank you so much for watching brother!! glad i could get this one out to you haha

[@wolflordgio6320]

i Wish it Was Corax who Helped Mentored Konrad instead of Fulgrim Just imagine What the two could’ve accomplished together if instead of a rivalry they got along

[@italianspartacus]

Corax wasn't found yet :( if I recall correctly

[@thinkwithurdipstick]

A lot of depressing and edgy poetry I bet

[@jeffmusyoka1876]

What about Russ

[@inkedseahear]

@@jeffmusyoka1876 Russ would throw Curze out in a few weeks, whining to everyone how absolutely depressing he was and how he wouldn't shut up about seeing Russ being dead instead of being alive doing awesome wolf stuff.

[@inkedseahear]

Corax and Curze both mutually dislike one another, Corax because he didn't want to accept Curze's methods and that he wasn't all different from Curze, Curze always think Corax being the odd hypocrite and thinks it's unfair that the Emperor (he thinks this a lot) didn't give him Corax's powers and his legion.

[@ARC1701A]

The dollar menu at Arby's. The notion of exes long past. I'm dead.

[@italianspartacus]

Hahahah I don't even remember saying that

[@chrispilkington8662]

I quite like the theory that all the Primarchs were intended to fill a role post crusade: Guillman the statesman, Johnson the general, Magnus the magus/throneholder etc with Kurze being the Judge except due to upbringing his sense of justice was warped (possibly by the chaos gods manipulating the visions). also remember seeing a theory that the stone in his crown was an Eldar soulstone, like the idea that protected from the gods he might have returned to a semblance of sanity. like the idea in the current story of one of the traitors returning and by dint of not being demons that's Kurze or Alpharius (with the three headed hydra theory that like the symbol of the legion the Primarch had three heads not just two)

[@bullroarer-took]

Effigies of terror include the dollar menu at Arby's. Earned a sub

[@user-qz6zo4qn6u]

Been waiting for this bad boy.

[@ForwardKinematics]

Don't normally comment anymore, but Italian Spartacus, you do work man! keep it up sir.

[@italianspartacus]

Thank you greatly sir :)

[@borjinator]

Makes me think of the scene from step brothers. “My name is night haunter”

[@bowmando4217]

You should do a video on Corvus Corax, since he's so similar to Curze but also different in his approach to things.

[@mrrey3481]

Ahh, that was a good, a juicy one. Thank you, bratan. I enjoyed if a lot

[@italianspartacus]

pozhaluysta, Bratan!! More to come

[@Jelle1880]

This has convinced me to repaint my Chaos Space Marines into Night Lords. They might not be that viable on the table top but god damn if they aren't the coolest Chaos legion.

[@italianspartacus]

Actually!! They got much better. Look up the night lord smash captain.. It's sick. You dual wield chainswords hahahaah

[@indrickboreale7381]

Whea are my multiple, simultaneous, and devastating defensive deep strikes?

[@newtonia-uo4889]

What do you call this ingenious maneuver?

[@italianspartacus]

STEEEEEHLLL RRRDAAAIIUNN

[@matthewmarkle7487]

Dollar menu at Arbys!!!! Lol I know it's scary cause I work there hahahah

[@italianspartacus]

Oh fuck my ass yeah it is hahaha

[@thinkwithurdipstick]

Fuckin quality reuben though. I don’t even care what goes into it that shit is tasty

[@romeortiz3996]

This made me cry a bit...the most tragic story in wh40k

[@emila6]

2nd to magnus the red's

[@alphakodiak16]

Nah, I think Angron has him beat

[@emila6]

@@alphakodiak16 yea angron is equally as sad

[@mindofthecosmos9674]

In most cases of the story it's mostly the emperor's fault for not having any foresight to the events that transpire from his actions of any negative consequences.

[@song9418]

Laughed so fucking hard when you said the dollar menu at Arby’s

[@dekaw9138]

A Primarch who laughs is a Primarch who always wins

[@Dragonlord7012]

Man how pissed would Curze of been if the assassin decided to not kill him, completely fucking his entire worldview.

[@georgesoha4725]

The one dislike was Vulcan... or the lion... or Magnus.... or Corvus...damn a lot of people hate Curze lol

[@inkedseahear]

He didn't like them back anyway like Lorgar was one disliked by others but he tried his ignorant best, Konrad just straight dislike them.

[@granterickson2916]

This was a great video and you definitely got a new subscriber

[@benkeller6027]

I don't think Konrad would willingly have his life destroyed at the hands of an Imperial assassin, even if he truly wished for an easy end, he would not stay his hand in revenge. Instead he wished to cease existing in his enemies and his brothers eyes and mind and probably sought solitude over leading an endless war with no end. Konrad wanted no responsibility in the end and just wanted to escape.

[@Pathfinfer11]

Night Haunter or as I call Edward Murder Hands.

[@italianspartacus]

HAHAHAH

[@attemptedunkindness3632]

"He wins his fight against Corvus Corax" Wait, what fight? I mean, he stopped Lorgar's murder, but that wasn't a fight.

[@italianspartacus]

I mean it was clearly a back and forth of blows in the book. It's a little tussle as it were!

[@attemptedunkindness3632]

@@italianspartacus As a fan of both Primarchs I'd really like some source or insight regarding that tussle, you have Kurze stopping Corax's killing blow and telling Corax "Look into my eyes and see your death" (The First Heretic) which was about the extent of that but that pales in comparison to when Kurze was snuck up on by Corax and even conceded "if they struck, we would be dead" (KC: The Night Haunter) and in the very same book Konrad admitted Corvus's superiority at his own self-imposed role. And of course there was that time Corax got snippy with Robute for Robute even making a comparison between the two(CC: Lord of Shadows). I'd love to have seen a fight between the two, but the only "fight" he won with Corax was to cringe him away from being a skin-wearing monster.

[@st1mp0]

another great video what background music are you using. it sounds so familiar!

[@TWyler9595]

Yes. I’ve been waiting for this!

[@HalfBreedMix]

Is that a pre-Rubric Tzeentchian sorcerer on the left @ 35:49 ? That staff's head @ 36:24,,,,,,,,,,hummm?

[@emjaaaay]

I love Konrad, I feel so bad for him. He might be one of the most "human" of the Primarchs, because he's so flawed, and tortured by visions he couldn't understand and that nobody would explain to him. Hated by his brothers because he did what the emperor created him to do. Only Sanguinius had any love for the night haunter. Poor sweet Konrad Curze.

[@Brochnick]

I'm not sure i can subscribe to the idea that he achieved redemption, or even vindication, through his final act of walking forward to accept his death. Seems, to me, more like someone seeking comfort that they were right, instead of being the architect of their own misery. Have to give it more thought... To anybody reading: thoughts?

[@italianspartacus]

I think that's the rub, ya know? He DIDN'T achieve redemption. In fact he knew he didn't, I'd say that his death was the absolution and ultimate vindication that he realized he deserved. He was all about controlling through fear and punishing absolutely. At the end of the day, he ended up on the side that gets punished. That's the sort of twisted irony. Every step he took, he thought was right, but lead to what was wrong. That's the big thing with Sanguinius. He accepted it while Curze railed against it. It terrified him that Sanguinius, when given the chance to change his fate, he chose note to. Curze always looked at his gift as this piercing of the veil.. Able to see what's coming and it created a sort of jaded personality. Sanguinius always dreaded it, it felt like.. Or at least harbored reverence for his visions. When they're walking on that planet, Curze is FREAKING out because everything there is "removed from fate." So I think you're right, he did seek comfort, but more in being the architect of his own misery. I have some problems with the non Aaron Dembski Bowden version of Curze a lot of other authors take. ADB's interpretation was a bit more listless and lost in reverie, stuck in the past and barely present. I enjoyed that more than the brutally insane, hissy fit Curze we often get

[@dubiousjester475]

can't wait for this

[@takeovermars]

Any chance you could do Fulgrim next? If you're still doing these of course

[@italianspartacus]

I've been promising The Great Khan all year! I really gotta do that one next

[@takeovermars]

@@italianspartacus thats fair and a nice contrast to the best Primarch Fulgrim!

[@frostyheretic299]

Hold on here, the end comment made me think for a moment Ave Dominus nox stands for "We have come for you" in high Gothic right? Or was I wrong all these years?

[@italianspartacus]

Hehe you are indeed wrong I'm afraid! Ave Dominus Nox means Hail the lord of the night :) Ave is Hail in Latin, Nox is night and Dominus is lord.. It SHOULD be Ave Domini Nox, but high Gothic is GWs Latin Lite Heheh

[@nathanielrobinson6322]

@@italianspartacus It should be Ave Domine Noctis if we're going with Latin. Domine is dominus in the vocative singular case (used when addressing someone/something) and noctis is the genitive singular of nox (possessive case).

[@frostyheretic299]

@@italianspartacus Ah ty For the info!, I shall go repent now for being wrong all that time

[@thinkwithurdipstick]

Nathaniel Robinson why vocative? It’s not addressing “the lord” but its rather more of a command to others that they should hail him. The sentence reads “(you) hail the lord of the night” where ‘you’ is some unspecified entity. In that case lord would either take nominative if you consider it the subject or accusative if it’s considered the direct object of ave. Idk my sleep deprived brain is short circuiting

[@nathanielrobinson6322]

@@thinkwithurdipstick It's vocative because that's the case for when a noun is the object that speech is addressed to. Whilst Ave is technically the second person singular imperative of aveo, in usage it was just a formal expression of greetings - Hail etc. I have admittedly always read the phrase as a recognition of Curze: "Hail the Night Lord". In the same way as you sometimes get when people call on a Muse or a deity - the entity doesn't have to be present to be called out to. I don't think that it is a demand that others hail him because if it was it would use the second person plural imperative Avete. As well as being Hail [to] the Lord of Night. Which would mean lord would be in the dative case. This would be Avete Domino Noctis. Additionally, lord can't take the nominative because the lord isn't doing anything in the phrase and can't be accusative because nothing in the phrase is being done to him. He's only the object of direct speech which is what the vocative case is for. If we're going with your reading of the phrase it could be dative. But I do think that's less likely because there are several differences. But it must be said that GW doesn't care that much about Latin accuracy and your interpretation of the meaning of the phrase is just as valid. So sticking strictly to Latin it should either be "Ave Domine Noctis" or "Ave/Avete Domino Noctis" - though I think avete makes more sense. Apologies for the mammoth reply, but I didn't want to fob you off with incomplete reasoning. And I want to reiterate that I'm talking solely about the Latin here - your interpretation of the 40k is as valid as mine.

[@luketheskeletonboi1574]

He reminds me of Fink Angel from 2000ad

[@SultanFilm]

I wouldn't say he beat Corax. He just knew having to fight two Primachs even a weakened Lorgar during the mess that was the dropsite massacre wasn't going to end well. As well he needed to get his Legion out. Their fight was just Cruze blocking one blow.

[@RobertW-jc6qp]

God I love these primarch videos

[@dontang2090]

9/18 primarchs done. Next loyal: ferrus mannus Next traitor: fulgrim Oh wait Alpharius 😎

[@vtheman1850]

Also sometimes known as Vlad von Carstein in space

[@kevinforsberg6439]

Great vid as always! What music are you using?

[@italianspartacus]

The dawn of war force commander song

[@opsimathics]

their battleship is called "Martha"

[@Darkestdarkify]

If Konrad was an office character he would be Gabe lol.

[@Maelum_]

I tried looking up ashkar, but the wikis didn't seem to have anything. where did you get that info about ashkar rebelling and replacing the good recruits with prisoners?

[@italianspartacus]

It's in the newest Konrad Curze primarch Series book! Mmm about halfway through? He's only in two chapters. The first one is the coups itself.. The second one, it's about him instilling the new government. Let me get the spelling when I get home

[@LorePlayingGames]

"He can see the future of those he is about to kill". Hey I could do that too! (I assume he spared them because of that but its funny nonetheless).

[@II-ei4rk]

Cheers bro as always great vid

[@mikeylejan8849]

Scary as Mortarion

[@austinpleasants6338]

Bro said the dollar menu at arbys 😂😂😂

[@madginger3634]

Kurze, the justiciar turned true Night Haunter.

[@Adrian_Zamora98]

Alright whats with every warhammer youtuber putting out Konrad Curze videos right now

[@italianspartacus]

IT'S SPOOKY!!! Also, his book dropped abiut a month or two ago, so we all probably just finished reading it

[@Adrian_Zamora98]

@@italianspartacus ah makes sense. Doesn't matter to me though cause Konrad is my favorite traitor primarch

[@whoaitstiger]

29:04 "The _three_ fought in a wild duel" Ummm...

[@AsdrubalBarka]

What happen then?

[@philmcwonder8173]

But... what do they truly fight for now? What bond do the Nightlords share that keeps them together now? Why didn't they just go their separate ways waging war and fade from the universe?

[@morathithephoenixqueen1052]

I'm starting to think that the Emperor is not only most arrogant and hypocritical creature in WH universe but also one of most stupid. Guy name Angron? He'll do. Mortarion? Also fine. That really weird guy that lives in his mother basement, owns enormous collection of animated pornography, gives you a strange look in a subway and makes space mongolian with a hobbies like mutilating himself or headhunting and his viking/werewolf friend with habit of HEAVY drinking and solving everything by his fists look like really reasonable men? Let's give him an army. Nothing can go wrong with that. Nothing at all. Nothing... At... All...

[@Matocles]

FINALLY

[@regalgiant1597]

Confused why in the retcon (as I call it, as to me index astartes is true canon ^^) they made conrad op fighter than any other primarch, then they have leman russ as the op fighter besdies horus (his own words) but then you had angron beat leman up... its derptastic... Loyalsits for me thanks :3 so with that the headache of reading unremembered empire as conrad went yeeting around macragge as 2-3 primarchs chaed him around benny hill style was erg.

[@blitzme99]

Do you think he's really dead?

[@italianspartacus]

Yeah, mShen took his head :(

[@gustaveardila6286]

Vulkan, big, black, barely clothed, wanting only one thing: Smash! ... No not Guilliman's mother, konrad's face.

[@jw7500]

Would have been quite the powermove though

[@eyeoftomato9547]

im noticing a distinct lack of "bleblebleblebleh", disappoint

[@italianspartacus]

Dammit.. I don't get it :(

[@eyeoftomato9547]

@@italianspartacus you shared soundbites of your "recording process" on discord, was making a joke about that :P

[@blazedandconfused477]

Reminds me of Apocalypse Now

[@charlesballiet7074]

the dark king ney more like the lord of edges.

[@riddlie787]

N I C E

[@daylightwall5300]

When will Guilliman get a video?

[@italianspartacus]

Oooof.. Uhh... Not sure. The Khan is next.. And then maybe Corax.. I have to write em all down and decide :) Fulgrim is up there.. Same with Ferrus Manus, only his would be pretty quick

[@daylightwall5300]

Primarch lore is always welcomed. When is part two of the total war 40k vid with indypride coming btw?

[@tsoliot5913]

24:21 You mean solitude, not solidarity.

[@neonproxy3837]

I still wonder to this day if that was actually the Emperor or Konrad's mental state hitting an all time low...or high depending on your outlook. If it truly was his mental state berating him for what he has done and saying that he had a choice all along then you could say he had some self awareness of having a choice. But he chose to remain on this path to self destruction when ultimately it could've been used to stop the Horus Heresy or at least save the Loyalists from being slaughtered on Istvaan V

[@IndianaSmallmouth]

CURZ-A

[@mindofthecosmos9674]

Wouldn't it make alot more sense for kurze not kill innocent civilians, & only butcher military and political member of the enemies he fought against during his days of serving the imperium. Regardless his fear tactics still would have allowed him the conquer planets without killing their citizens, plus it was pretty dumb of him to side with chaos instead of just going back to ruling the territory's him and his legions took. But in most cases for the legions corruption, it was also the emperor's fault for taking konrad kurze away from nostramo without leaving a legion or successor of konrad kurze to prevent it from falling back to its original corrupt state.

[@jason.larsenthedanishgreek1226]

Adepta legiones?

[@joretz181]

I miss daddy.

[@joshbeckmann3613]

Bat man

[@stephendeer7993]

Hey let’s leave Arby’s out of this sir

[@charlesballiet7074]

how could anyone say they do horrible things out of a love of humanity if they act/acknowledge that humanity is essentially evil and needs authoritarian controle to be just? It is hypocrisy of the worst sort for it denies the true divinity that humans possess and that will shine forth if nurtured. Vulcan knew that as did Russ

[@zingamaxkettlesteinjudaism6069]

Because humans are still savage pack animals. Strong humans can manipulate and harm the weak. And other weak humans cling to the safety and protection of the strong. Humanity can’t be divine because they’re not created equal.

[@charlesballiet7074]

@@zingamaxkettlesteinjudaism6069 im not sure how equality enters the picture, from a historical perspective in almost all the polytheistic religions there was myths of betrayal and sabotage and upheaval, asymmetric power. as for morally there is a way to condition the mind to perceive protection as just another profession like firefighting or EMT. necessary to the service of but not at the expense of the whole

[@zingamaxkettlesteinjudaism6069]

As long as there has been inequality in how humans are born there has been conflict. That is how it plays into it. You can justify it or explain it how ever you want to but a human mind will always find fault in the inequity of the human condition.

[@charlesballiet7074]

@@zingamaxkettlesteinjudaism6069 even with "perfect" equality flawed human perception thinks the grass is greener on the other side or will covet his neighbor, not to mention the kleptocrats who can never be satisfied with how much money and power they have amassed, even if roles were equal the differences in people's personalities will give rise to leaders and followers. its human nature and to adjust that will destroy the definition of being a human

[@zingamaxkettlesteinjudaism6069]

We can’t ever know that because humanity has never been born bred and raised equal. But I guess that also speaks to your point too

[@jackfrost2978]

There is a kind of beauty in his double edged psychosis. Konrad wants to be a good guy and to uphold the ideal of a future united humanity. But, his visions always take him to dark potential outcomes. Making him believe, the dark outcomes are absolute. Konrad himself, reinforces his visions by following them. And completing them. Instead of questioning them and trying to defy them, or to try to break the cycle. He keeps bouncing back and forth between trying to seek understanding. In a way where he could find acceptance, and break out of the nightmare of his prophesied future. Only to double back and run away back into the shadows, when salvation is close at hand. Konrads story. Is an amazing tragedy. I really do love his talk with the Emperor. When the Emperor tells him his only mistake was believing the visions where a dark inescapable reality. Instead of a twisted possibility.

[@fbussier80]

He is the archetype of how easy it is to become a tyrant while seeking order.

[@bobloerakker7010]

Well put! Could not have said it better. He is so tragic, i love that. He could have been the perfect judge..man..

[@Uploaded1995]

Have you noticed the trend of 30k and breaking people's backs on your knee? I can think of at least three significant instances where that is the "finishing move" at the top of my head.

[@italianspartacus]

Must be a Batman thing hahaha :D

[@briharrisWarhmmer40kfan]

Kurze is the most interesting Primarch by far! Hes the only traitor Primarch that didnt fall to Chaos! Why do people always seem to miss this fact and never talk about it 🤔🤔🤔

[@jeffmusyoka1876]

He ate people Felix. HE ATE PEOPLE! but I like him still🤗

[@briharrisWarhmmer40kfan]

@@jeffmusyoka1876 he certainly did my friend and he is awesome 😃 dont wanna spoil the curze primarch book but thers a part wer hes talkin to the 'meat statue' of The Emperor and hes munching on a human heart and gesturing with it like a person would with an apple lol hes hilariously evil lol

[@jeffmusyoka1876]

@@briharrisWarhmmer40kfan dominus nox is crazy 😂

[@anglocatholick]

Petrurabo also didn't fall to Chaos

[@x2375]

What about alpharius and omegon?

[@jdtremblay2331]

vampire primarch, got it.

[@connermckinney6807]

Sanguinius?

[@FirstNameLastName-fe2tu]

No no no...Batman Primarch.

[@jason.larsenthedanishgreek1226]

The vampire from Spiderman

[@Lynch2507]

So what you're saying is, he really likes the Black Parade

[@NemesisMarine01]

"The wolves go for the throat". We rip out their eyes, We cut off their hands, We cut off their feet And we skin what remains!." Unknown Night Lord. I think this quote completely sums up the Night Lords and what they are, murder and Butchery for the sake of it, Sheer and beautiful terror. Probably the most underrated of the legions.

[@worldeater2414]

@Talgat Khamit They make House Boltan look tame

[@Nyctophora]

That was excellently done! _Ave Dominus Nox_ I just wanted to add two things: Sheng was the other Night Lord with him during the meeting with Corswain and Alajos; and when the Night Haunter attacked Dorn, he was struck by one of his visions and made that mess of Dorn with his bare hands and teeth while in the grip of the fugue. When he came round, he was distraught (and I daresay Dorn wasn't too happy either). Good to see Sheng getting some air time. I think it's up for debate whether the Emperor was actually talking through the flesh-totem or if sanity had left the building, myself, mind you.

[@italianspartacus]

THANK you! i couldn't remember if it was Sheng or not and I don't have my book on me for that one :(

[@Nyctophora]

@@italianspartacus You're welcome! It's great to see thoughtful and lore-ful work on my favourite Primarch and his gene-sons.

[@warriorfire8103]

Holy shit!...I just randomly thought to myself. "I wonder if that ItalianSpartacus guy has made any more of those awesome primarch videos? Probably not they seem like too much to take on" Then here this shows up on the same day I think and decide to check. I'm going to get food because I'm going to enjoy this.

[@youtubevoice1050]

Why, however, could Curze see the actual future, when Sanguinius (and even the Emperor) always saw multiple possible outcomes? Curze's power was more of a latent one and yet he foresaw the exact outcome independently of variables/ choices.

[@supernus8684]

Did you ever consider that according to Curze he could see the "real" future? Primarchs might be mighty but their word is hardly any more final then any other in the far future. My theory is the powers of chaos corrupted Curze as they did many other Primarchs. Perhaps just like Perturabo saw the eye of terror in the sky at all times, Konrad Curze got a hint of perceiving the "true" future from the ruinous powers and his own perception of it and compliance to this truth made it true much more so then any "true" power?

[@binliu9429]

Opens computer, about to do work, see notification... f***k work.

[@Windw00d]

Wow they really like Avenged Sevenfold.

[@italianspartacus]

HAHAHAHA

[@N7SpecterElite]

Konrad "It's not a phase dad" Curze. Primarch of the Edgelords Legion

[@anglocatholick]

Do Fulrgim

[@TheRandomNightLord]

Konrad Curze has always been my favorite Primarch his story is pure tragedy

[@whiskeyjack9646]

Emperor speaking from the totem pole: "I forgive you my son, but you made one mistake... you're a Batman-wannabe and you suck ballz, LOL! I'm out, edge-bitch!" Konrad Curze: "MOTHERFU-" *Credits Role*