The Problem With Canon - ENRAGED Writers Hate Fans Force Them To Make Sense

Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power is among many series where canon has been contradicted to appease the writers, not the fans. Obi-Wan Kenobi series on Disney+ also followed this strange contradiction of prequel as a canon loophole.
But as writers and journalists talk more about the reason why, such as in The Witcher series with Henry Caville where writers hated and actively mocked the source material and games, we know why the quality is low. The question is why break canon in Rings of power or The Witcher? What do the writers of Rings of Power, Obi-Wan Kenobi and The Witcher want to achieve?
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[@disparutoo]

We've long had the theory that writers didn't like the IP's they were writing for, but recently several examples have actually proved it. Journalists for a long time have despised canon because for one reason, it means they have to actually know what they're talking about, but it also prevents them pushing the ideas they want to force into entertainment. So recently there has been a whole host of articles and arguments coming forwards against the fans to try and destroy the idea of canon altogether. This is my thoughts on why, but what are yours? Do you think canon limits creativity? Do stories actually have to fit in with stories that came before them? Let me know what you think down below and as always, thanks for watching :)

[@primal1233]

You got a point there!

[@Black_Revue]

I mean it be easier if they were Talented enough to make Something themselves

[@Jinisinsane]

If you dont like the canon go write your own shit, its simple as that.

[@samuelaritan3766]

You have to comprehend the rules and limitations fully to then be able to break them creatively or successfully. They are incapable of knowing or respecting the lore and subsequently they break the rules intentionally as well as accidentally in spectacularly horrendous fashion.

[@boomingbob1579]

Definitely

[@Skyblade12]

If writers don't want to be restricted by canon, there is a simple solution to this: Write a new story. The problem is, they know no one wants to watch their material, so they have to attach it to an IP that already has a fan base.

[@insanedragongirl]

I’d be happy to watch some original work, if it was well made and didn’t try to preach to me about some sort of weird propaganda that I don’t buy into.

[@griffbloodax1005]

Unfortunately problem has another big hurdle that isn't always the writers fault - studios only being willing to bank on existing IP. Half of these writers, who should not be touching something they don't themselves cherish, don't get the opportunity to make something original in this climate. Not to mention, plenty of people have added to canon they didn't care for, but were able to treat it with enough respect to still make a worthwhile contribution. It doesn't happen anymore though, due to everyone's need to push 'the message'.

[@umokwhy2830]

@@griffbloodax1005 the need to spread 'the message' has gotten extremely out of control.

[@tuckernutter]

You got it

[@BradyRamaker]

I think a problem is the market being the determining factor in what gets reach. Theres a logic to it: popular stuff gets made. So you want to write something new, but the suits dont want new. They will only hire for established brands. Its the toxic situation of businesses dictating art.

[@TheL0ngbeard]

This article is freaking insane, but proves the point: They DESPISE the original works, they feel constricted because they don't want anything to do with them, yet at the same time, they know their works would be irrelevant without them. And they hate the fans, because they are the people who call them out on their shit.

[@tkps]

In other words, everyone is wrong but them. Pity that didn't help them with views so it proved the point we were making all along with ROP, no matter the attacks on us for their choice to culturally appropriate our culture which according to them is a big no no, yet insulted us for objecting. We see straight through their hypocrisy now so the ist/phobe attacks fall on deaf ears. The numbers appear to speak for themselves no matter how much they hide them from us.

[@Cman04092]

Nailed it.

[@theequalizer9154]

I have a simple question: WHY is it that these writers, since they have so much resentment towards canon in such, why don't they create their own works? These writers are stealing others works, putting their names onto others' works, yet re-writing these scripts terribly.

[@PaladinHD]

Because evil cannot create, it can only corrupt

[@elatrocidad5953]

Because of their terrible scripts. No one will watch their slop so they need an already popular IP to pull in enough fans so that Hollywood might make a profit.

[@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115]

Leftists cannot create due to their hivemind.

[@frits191]

@@elatrocidad5953 exactly

[@catbhoy]

@@elatrocidad5953 well Said.

[@Oblivionator100]

She had the gall to call Tolkien's work narratively thin? You can call his work many things; verbose, complex, deep, even boring, but I would never call it narratively thin. His work has been the forefather of the modern idea of what fantasy is. Honestly one of the best ways that the re-writing of canon has been done is in the God of War game series. They take many tropes of the characters we are familiar with, but re-frame them in a different view point. Even in their own canon though, they make logical sense. They maintain continuity and consistency in their characters and characters' motivations.

[@GoblinLord]

I've literally never heard someone call Tolkien's work Thin, for most people the argument is it's TOO thick, which at least has a valid point because whether something is "too much" is completely subjective

[@christophertaylor9100]

They use thin not to mean "without substance, shallow", they mean "lacking the elements I am interested in, without enough DEI or women"

[@annasolovyeva1013]

@@christophertaylor9100 i don't know what are DEI, but women... Arwen, Luthien, Eowynn, Dis, Galadriel, Elbereth, Yavanna...

[@xshiromorix]

@@annasolovyeva1013 DEI = "diversity, equity, inclusion". And anyone who would claim that Tolkien lacks diversity has clearly never read his work, or else has an incredibly restrictive and superficial definition of diversity.

[@danthovict381]

@@xshiromorix ikr...calling fantasy world of midlle earth filled with many races (elves, human, hobbits, dwarves, etc) yet they called lacked diversity?? Its just like calling chinese race have not enough negro in them so they created negro chinese to fill them.

[@franksimonds04]

Your final comment about the people that destroy established stories and canon because they aren't talented enough to create their own universe was spot on. Well said.

[@ShadQuakeFix]

It hit so fuckin hard because its so true.

[@Fireballun]

They aren't talented enough to even use their creativity to create a fun experience that IS canonical. Oh no, that would require too much thinking.

[@jamesmayle3787]

The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book of the Bible you chose yourself. It’s an important bare minimum effort mark. Remember that as you do it’s the inner work Jesus Christ taught that’s the most important. Start with forgiveness. If you never put the teachings into action it never clicks. Please trust me. Jesus Christ is the way truth and life.

[@jacobthompson9181]

That and the fact that it is incredibly difficult to create a new IP and get it on the air is probably another reason why they go for already established IPs.

[@blacklivesorblackvotes2985]

@@jacobthompson9181 sounds like a them problem. Not really an excuse to fuck our entertainment up.

[@KalonOrdona2]

For actual fans (it turns out some minimum gatekeeping is actually necessary), canon is anything but restrictive. I present the entire corpus of fan-fiction, which is people being endlessly creative, deriving a wellspring of inspiration from a story they love. They don't find it limiting to fit within canon, it's their greatest aspiration. And even if they are the perverse kind of fans who engage with it by twisting it, at least they don't fancy themselves post-modern glorious poo-artists who deserve to play in the IP like it's their sandbox.

[@redbard4300]

There's still people who make fanfiction of Buffy the vampire slayer, Ranma 1/2 and a lot of older IP, that don't have anything official released in a while. And even if what they make isn't canon compliant, you know they like the series and want to make something for the Fandom. Otherwise they wouldn't make it. Yet these guys get paid to ruin the series that others love, it's a twisted kind of hate that I can't relate to, if I dislike something I just don't watch or read it, at worst I'll write a review/comment about what I didn't like. Not attack others for liking it.

[@KalonOrdona2]

@@redbard4300 Well said, I agree completely. If these writers only honored the work and made a good faith attempt -- really just had a good attitude, it would change everything. If they actually succeeded in faithfully bringing it to life, we would follow them anywhere. But no, they're high on themselves; they don't feel a need to earn trust.

[@haleyschreiter9746]

Creating a story within the boundaries of canon is more rewarding than challenging - when you genuinely love the source material.

[@syrozzz]

And it's even easier. All the groundwork is already done. They have no excuse, pure hubris.

[@riotoeikyu]

I'd argue that IPs end up being successful because you limit yourself, for example always considering how a character might react to something at a certain point on his journey. If you want that character consistency then you have to work within these limits, the freedom then comes in the form at what kind of obstacles you might be able to put in their path, though even here if you go crazy you just end up with an inconsistent world, and that's something that people will generally pick up on.

[@gladiatorscoops4907]

Spot on, tbf Canon is most of the ground work done for you, you can concentrate more on character development and story than the world building and logic that needs to exist in that world. I find it absolutely baffling that these Writers are moaning about canon. I guess its because they are more interested in putting across their own selfish views and stories rather than trying to build on what has been made before. Its just motivated by narcissism. That or its lazy-ness - both are as bad as each other. And the sad thing is that there are so many talented writers out there that would kill to have their jobs and would do such much better in their position and it makes me angry that in so many of our shows/movies etc there are Writers put in charge that don't care about source material, imagine something like She Hulk or ROP put in the hands of a super talented fan. Check out how good ROP could have been by looking at "Tolkien Untangled" YT channel - he has a series of videos where he writes how the ROP should've been done. Him or a person with that same passion and love for the source material are the people who should be in charge of our shows/movies.

[@YT1300MF]

Your addendum is key, and as Disparu said, I am more and more convinced these writers hate the source material. They see it as a means to an end, they aren’t writing from a place of love.

[@aleksander8497]

Seems like Peter Jackson and team really loved working on the LOTR trilogy for that reason. Though some of their changes were not good.

[@theblackflame4002]

As a writer, and I'm a self published author hoping for a break someday, I can tell you that the best way to not be limited or constrained by canon...is to write your own original story, then you create canon. But that doesn't come with a built in audience and you might just have to be good enough to draw fans on your own, and who wants to be challenged in Hollywood these days?

[@romaliop]

Fans: "Why don't you follow canon?" Showrunners: "Canon restricts our creativity too much, we can't create the best story if we have to follow it strictly." Fans: "Why is your show still garbage then?" Showrunners: "..." Showrunners: "Help us, please, the fans are racist and sexist bigots!"

[@GrubSlime]

Far more true than it should be.

[@Ajbajnificent]

Based and sad comment.

[@Dravianpn02]

Yes.

[@stevenscott2718]

I'd have asked why not make a complete new IP? You could write literaly anything you like.

[@TheRenofox]

This really puts it perfectly. Sacrificing canon for writing is even worse when the quality is STILL awful!

[@TheEldritchGod]

I don't write much fanfiction, but I have been inspired by some other people's works from time to time. I wanted to add to his story seemlessly. Adding to the story without people knowing it was added by someone else was the goal and I took pride in trying to be as invisible as possible. I can't understand the mindset of destroying what you like. Oh. Wait. THEY HATE THE IPs. Now it makes sense.

[@silverblade357]

I stopped writing fanfic way back when because it can be harder than writing your own stuff, especially when you're not just having fun and genuinely want to be accurate.

[@md-vq8sp]

I wasn't into fanfic until this new wave of franchise shit and I wanted to rewrite it

[@nightstrike90]

As an active Fan Fiction writer, I ALWAYS keep to what's cannon, and what's not cannon I make my own. Write a Crow Story? Keep the powers, the limitations and the achilles heel, anything else is yours. Idk about you but that's a lot of grey area to play around in

[@jamesmayle3787]

The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book of the Bible you chose yourself. It’s an important bare minimum effort mark. Remember that as you do it’s the inner work Jesus Christ taught that’s the most important. Start with forgiveness. If you never put the teachings into action it never clicks. Please trust me. Jesus Christ is the way truth and life.

[@md-vq8sp]

@@jamesmayle3787 God was very forgiving of Cain in Genesis, cursed him and his kids to live in sin and eventually drowned them.

[@ajclements4627]

Let’s be honest, these “writers” just hate the fact that fans understand canon/continuity and will hold them accountable when they F it up.

[@syrozzz]

Yeah like the spoil brats they are, they refuse accountability.

[@merrylderrickson3147]

these writers are morons being overpaid sitting behind massive NDLs. they do exactly what they are told. assuming that they are the THEY of consequence in the equation, is not seeing the equation. if we're being honest, then let's move past step 1. This is going on years now, billions in lost profits, billions in lost good-will. over and over and over, every studio, every time. this is a TOP DOWN agenda, if it were not, it wouldn't exist still, it's as simple as that. Can you think of a single time that the heads of the Studios ever even once called out their failures, called out the damage being done to their most valuable assets, ever once stood up for the fans when the writers and directors and cast members were engaged in PR campaigns that over and over backfired and caused even more damage to the assets? no. you cannot. i don't mean to be dismissive...but suggesting this is a result of a writers issue is like thinking systemic oppression is caused by the one's fellow citizenry. It's idiotic and serves specifically as a cover for those who have the real blame.... the ones with the most to gain and most to lose

[@ML1800]

"I became a writer to tell MY stories.. why do I have to respect the universe I want to write about?"

[@RasAlCool]

That's like if someone made Finding Nemo 4, which is a sequel just about Nemo and his parents going on a fun trip, with his mom talking about great it was to have never died. By his own logic, this is acceptable and very creative since it breaks canon.

[@ThisisKyle]

God forbid fans want something they're invested in to make sense

[@mannxj130]

"God?"

[@imkuntox]

@@mannxj130 Yes my child?

[@mannxj130]

@@imkuntox Nothing important, hhhfff. Just confused if he/she/they/them were actually saying "god" and not "good."

[@imkuntox]

@@mannxj130 Kyle's preferred pronoun... doesn't matter, but he meant "hhhfff forbid"

[@mannxj130]

@@imkuntox I see.

[@aaronluisdelacruz4212]

This is why manga and anime works together (in most cases) as the show follows the source material as close as possible and encourages the viewers who wants more to buy the source material.

[@AkilanNarayanaswamy]

The idea behind that quote is supposed to be a test of love. If you set something you love free, and it loves you back, it should choose stay with you. It doesn't mean you should get rid of it. The author of the article totally didn't understand that quote at all and just almost certainly threw it in because they thought it sounded poetic or something.

[@GenuineLhachwen]

Chances are they do not understand the phrase because they misunderstand love and the concept of love itself.

[@jeffvella9765]

Showruinners: "love??? give me a second to look up this word."

[@HerculesBallsInc]

To a psychopath, love means doing everything you want and ignoring what everyone else wants.

[@ceasarsaran8573]

Correct. The real interpretation would be if a writer really was worthy to write the story, bene if they were set free and didn't need to adhere to cannon, they would anyhow. Out of love and respect.

[@mjbull5156]

They deliberately ignore the second half of that saying about if it comes back to you then the relationship is true.

[@col.sambers9033]

I think my favorite part in any of these articles was calling Tolkien works narratively thin. The number one reason i have heard from people of why they couldn't get into Tolkien is that the writing is far too dense but I'm sure the guy who literally created a handful of languages then invented characters to speak them and a world to live in just forgot to put in a narrative. So sad

[@chapacoka]

I think, from what I've heard, Amazon doesn't have access to The Silmarillion where the story for the Rings of Power would be. So they had to work with what little is in the Appendices ultimately just making things up as they go along. I could be wrong though.

[@42ndguardian]

Oh they didn't get it because the narrative wasn't blatantly spelled out for them. Narrative subtlety is almost entirely lost on hacks

[@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access]

“Hey, fans? Can you stop caring about the things you love and identify with? Cos making it requires hard work and talent and I just…I’m so tired, I don’t wanna, please don’t make me” -every large corporation right now

[@LordEriolTolkien]

How do creative professionals not understand that the Canon is precisely what fans fell in love with in the first place? The Canon IS the Work

[@Mpiewizard]

I’ve heard these rumors for a long time but this still makes me so sad. They got themselves an actor who actually cared about the character and the story and wanted to do both justice and the writers just pushed him away.

[@matheusmterra]

You hit the nail on the head with what I think: if a writer wants FREEDOM, to do his own thing, DON'T WRITE A FRIGGING ADAPTATION!! Do your own thing and you can be as free as you like, create all the characters and stories you want. But when you're working on an adaptation, you should be sticking to the source material and canon of the universe in question.

[@ukotoa1639]

Still pisses me off that Sauron acted like he was oppressed by Morgoth when it’s the opposite. Sauron loved Morgoth not like romantically but what Morgoth was Sauron hated the chaos of freewill and thought the only way there would be a perfect world was if everyone was bound to one entity and Morgoth was the be the ruler of everything and cover it in darkness so Sauron was drawn to him like a moth to a flame

[@steve8610]

@Sabizos Morgoth definitely wasn't pure chaos; he represented domination / oppression, in contrast to Sauron who represented order / control. The most "chaotic" thing about Morgoth was his ability to corrupt. From the maiar and other spirits, to the elves and men, to even the discord in Eru's music, Morgoth was the original corruption (Sauron's skill at corrupting is extremely limited by comparison).

[@ApocGenesis]

I had this as another comment but I think it fits so well that I wanna post it again: Sauron starts off as a classic ambitious, capable junior partner--when Morgoth had a vision, Sauron bought in because when Morgoth split from the parent company, he offered greater mobility and some real responsibility. Sure, Morgoth was chaotic and petulant, but he had a creative vision that was fresh and inspiring and Sauron was hooked. The two of them balance each other. Sauron is a process guy. He's second to none technically and an excellent crafter, but Morgoth has the creative juice. Morgoth comes up with things that just boggle Sauron's mind: self-replicating little monsters that make their own machines? Flying flamethrowers that seek out gold? Genius! Sauron dosen't have Morgoth's sheer creative talent because his need for control stifles any creativity. Maybe there's resentment and conflicted feelings in Sauron. Despite his loyalty and admiration for his senior partner, maybe he feels frustrated by his mentor's histrionics. In the meantime they do great things. Terrible, but great. When Morgoth is finally exiled, Sauron is lost. He didn't realize how wrapped up he had gotten in the culture of Morgoth. The other Valar make a convincing argument that he needs to reign himself in and take responsibility for his evil. Evil? Sauron didn't stop once to think about the morality of what he was doing. He was Daedalus building the Labyrinth--for all his flaws, Morgoth gave him the space to use his talents without fussing over things like "morality". But the other Valar and Maiar make it clear: there's only one team, and it's Team Eru Illuvatar. You're either on the team, or you're not. Without Morgoth, Sauron is miserable. He's a caged panther in a petting zoo, crackling with restless energy. He becomes resentful of the other Valar and Maiar, whose creations seem to be favored while Morgoth never really got a fair shake. Meanwhile his mentor and only real friend is gone, the only one who gave him a chance for self development and saw the potential in him for something more. And the other Valar have the nerve to moralize to Sauron about 'atonement'. They lecture him about how Morgoth didn't 'respect' the other Valar's precious little shit creatures now running around on their own, like they actually matter. The Valar show more concern for their shiny little ant farms than what should be their own family. Sauron starts thinking: would it have really killed the Valar to just include Morgoth? Would it have been really that bad to just accept a little bit of diversity in their 'music'? Those are the thoughts that lead Sauron to say, "No. You don't get to lecture me about the only person who respected my potential and treated me like a partner." So he strikes off on his own, a junior partner picking up his mentor's business. He doesn't have Morgoth's creative juice, but he's a process guy. All he needs is a little help. Something to buff his stats if you will. Luckily, crafting is right in Sauron's wheelhouse, and Eru's stupid creations might just be desperate enough to make a deal...

[@deathsdoor07]

"Moth to a film"?

[@Nopeasaurus]

@@ApocGenesis Wow amazing analysis.

[@undead4500]

you know sauron could be lying? he is not called The deceiver for nothing he pretty much switched up his tactics because he couldn't convince Galadriel.

[@robs.5847]

This was a really great assessment by Disparu. It's interesting when you think about why writers are shoehorning new characters into existing IP: 1) Even before politics, it's a way for writers to avoid the direct comparison between their work and the previous canon. This is an incredibly insecure generation. Instead of being willing to take a chance and work with existing characters and storylines, bringing in new characters and plots keeps the comparisons at arm's length, shielding the fragile egos of the "creators". In this way, any justification after the fact - the wokeness, the "modern re-imagining" - is a smokescreen. 2) The flipside of their fragility is the narcissism that covers it. It's not enough to honour existing canon and fandom, they need to make it about them. This is why it needs to be fun, they need to have the freedom to create brand new entities (yet without the creativity or artistry to actually create a new universe, and of course, they need the protection of existing fans, even as they denigrate and disrespect them). It's all about them. Pathetic. 3) The politicisation of everything today means that people are raised to believe that everything has to be a statement about modern culture. And if existing characters and plots can't work because they're not modern enough to sync with wokeness, then the huge (and necessary... pfft) departure from canonical depictions will cause them to be criticised (see above). So using an existing universe but adding new characters and plots that do support a woke narrative is a way of pushing propaganda. 4) The modern writers, etc. and their self-indulgent, judgemental politics, make criminals of the fans of canon. We, the fans, are the problem, enjoying the canon that possibly fails against a modern social justice standard. (I mean, remember when they put that white actor in blackface to play Lando? And when they refused to hire an actual Wookiee to play Chewbacca?). So there is no respect for fans that are the problem, and every motivation to try to force propaganda onto said fans, since they are so clearly in need of conversion to the cult of wokeness. 5) Commercial considerations. New characters can tick off new "representation" and try to crack new demographic markets to drive more sales. Also, introducing "cute" or otherwise distinct characters is a way to retcon a universe to have a Baby Yoda, Baby Groot or similar for the purposes of selling toys, costumes and other paraphernalia. Both the new representation and the cute characters also serve as a way to test interest in spin-offs.

[@FiliusFidelis]

yes we fans are absolutely horrible people, how DARE we wish for them to artfully and skillfully bring the things we love to life in a way that works for the visual medium without changing it into something unrecognizable.

[@JustAnArrogantAlien]

These writers are like children whose parents won’t let them draw on the walls. “Drawing on walls isn’t wrong! Mommy is wrong for not letting me be free!”

[@DatJaneDoeArchive]

I've read hundreds of fanfictions that are canonically plausible in their respective universes because they respect what existing characters and locations are like.

[@primal1233]

Recently TV show and Movie creator's are messing everything up and people are getting really angry and annoyed about it

[@Pdmc2016]

Let these platforms die and maybe the next version will be palatable

[@WeAreInYourWall]

That's racist.

[@chrismusiclover9893]

@@WeAreInYourWall I hope you're joking

[@JustAnArrogantAlien]

@Nelson Foster You’re trolling, right?

[@Dravianpn02]

@@JustAnArrogantAlien obviously.

[@shadowjewel]

My experience with fanfiction, that does not have the expectations of canon, is that if you expand on a story then even fanfiction must still maintain the spirit, core themes, characterisations, archetypes, ect, of the original, all those foundational elements that make it that thing. Even dramatically different alternative universes need enough to tie it to the original to warrant the named connection. Fanfics that do not do that get filtered down to the bottom of the pile on fanfiction sites, every time. Good writing is of course important, but if it doesn't feel like the world and characters named then people clock out much faster then they do for simple writing errors. If these professional writers can't do what I have seen so many dozens of fanfic writers do, myself included, they should not be writing anything for an existing IP, and if they think fans will be more forgiving of new stories in an ip then they are of unpaid fanfiction, then they have not paid any attention to the fandoms they claim to be a part of.

[@hatuletoh]

This is actually great. I've always felt constrained by "canon," and am looking forward to applying the lessons of this article to my life. For example, the writer of this article might be canonically named "Andrew," but being forced to rigidly adhere to calling him by his canonical name limits my freedom of expression. I am going to add my own creativity to his nomenclature by referring to him as "Cuntface O'Kiddyrapist." And he might list his professions as "writer and director," but I don't feel those titles reflect MY experience. So from now on, Cuntface O'Kiddyrapist's job titles really should be described as "rent boy-he whore" and "meth cook." Does it make sense? Doesn't matter. What matters is being free to express myself without the shackles of "canon." Just ask professional whore and meth cook Cuntface O'Kiddyrapist--I'm sure he agrees with me.

[@EsteemedReptile]

I spat out my water. Holy fuck, lol

[@ThieflyChap]

Works for Disney, am I right?

[@UsualMotives]

We meet again, Jack Burton

[@GaudiaCertaminisGaming]

We got a problem. Cuntface O’Kiddyrapist is my new name for Kathleen Kennedy. Can you call yours Cuntface O’Kiddyrapist II. I probably thought of this first, so that’s fair.

[@YT1300MF]

Brilliant! I look forward to this new take on Andrew’s, er, Cuntface’s IP.

[@TheInterestRates]

I'll never understand why it's so hard for showrunners & writers to stick to the source material of what they're adapting.

[@josephnebeker7976]

I absolutely love this. I have said for years that the problem with many writers translating stories, books, and games to movies, or simply remaking classic movies, is that they are not invested in bringing that story to life as much as trying to rewrite an established story to be their story because they are hacks. They can't come up with their own idea, so they steal (I mean, buy the rights to) someone else's IP and try to make it their own, riding the coattails of truly good writers and story creators.

[@MrLolguy93]

They don't want fans, they want mindless consoomers

[@ApolloXL5]

The Star Trek writer who created the BSG reimagining was Ronald D. Moore and he is a great writer in both franchises. This is from an interview with Ron Moore back in 2000. "The STAR TREK past, it's challenging; it sounds like it's fun on one level, and I thought that was an interesting way to go for a long time. But it has a lot of pitfalls to it. You have a very complex future mapped out. If you are going to go into STAR TREK's past, say, pre-Kirk, you better have an iron-clad commitment to maintaining the continuity that's been established, or I think you are just going to lose everybody. Because if you go back before Kirk, and you start screwing around, and you just don't care what NEXT GEN or DS9 or VOYAGER established, or the movies, or even the original series, you just try to make it up as you go along, I think you just lost everyone. The whole franchise will just collapse, because it will have no validity whatsoever. If you are going to go there, you really better be prepared to truly put on the STAR TREK mantle and be the keeper of the flame." "I think that is really hard for Rick and Brannon. It's hard for them to do that, because they don't like the original show. Let's not mince words. They don't like the original show. They have never liked the original show. They'll bob and weave a bit here and there in public. But they don't like it; they don't want to have anything to do with it. If you are going to go before the original series and do something, you better have a change of attitude. You better have an epiphany about how much you love the original series. It's all going to be about leading up to that."

[@stuartshannon8561]

The Whee of Time TV show broke my heart. How fucking hard is to make that show. Just follow the g-damn books!

[@cloudedarctrooper]

As someone who has been trying for nearly three years (taking classes, going thru countless iterations) to write a story for a webcomic, I can totally agree with everything you said. *_Especially_* the _if you say "the story doesn't need to make sense" then you've immediately lost_ part.

[@loturzelrestaurant]

If you like Disparu, what about "Some More News"?

[@madaxe606]

Simple answer: most writers want to be publishing their own work, rather than playing in someone else’s sandbox. But their ego doesn’t let them do that, so they invent rationalizations to justify how and why they’re ‘updating’ the work of vastly more talented writers than themselves.

[@jakejackson8234]

Kinda blows my mind, people wrote the script and then had to ask if that fits into cannon? Who thought that would be a good idea? Isn't that backwards from what makes sense? Thanks for doing such a good job disparu, I respect the work you do here.

[@stevenscott2718]

To be fair to the people the article is talking about, that sounds more like a brainstorming sessions were the 'does it fit?' question is more of a have i fucked up or can we use this? but the article writter is a clown that interpreted the question as 'why have the fans tied down my creatativity, my soul is wounded, oh woe is me, why won't the fans just let me have james bond and gandalf make love on the bridge of the enterpise while luke skywalker knits sweaters in the corner?'

[@catbert2412]

At this point if they want to “subvert expectations” they need to just follow canon & leave out their “modernization” of shows. Since we all expect them to not do that stuff anymore

[@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623]

Fans who write fanfiction enjoy making their stories fit and adhere to canon. Or they will state it's AU at the start. Hollywood writers hate making their stories adhere to canon, because they really want to tell a completely different story altogether. And they only use the IP because they know telling that different story doesn't sell.

[@samantaluna3870]

There is another problem with Hollywood, which is the fear of the new. When people make their own stuff, like Ryan Johnson, it works, but them trying something pre established, like Star Wars, is a disaster. I think a lot of writers have to join pre established IP shows because nobody cares about their original IP, but they are not adaptation writers, so it fails.

[@loisen]

Nowadays everyone seems to be a fanfiction writer. They’re interested in the idea but want to write it in their own way. But that’s also not the problem. Be honest and tell that you want to write a fanfiction. You would have more freedom with inventing new stuff and the audience wouldn’t feel so pranked.

[@codyw1]

Well, not really. Most fan-fic is at least written by people who have knowledge and affection for the originals. lol

[@minion3806]

they're the bad fanfiction writers - the ones who think their stories are better than the source by default. they're a loud minority. the other fanfiction writers (like me) want to respect canon with our stories

[@jneumy566]

Fanfictions are two-sided I guess you can say. They're not all horrendous like they're made to seem. I've read some really good ones that could honestly stand to be a good addition to the world of the original. I've also read really bad ones that are cringe or just not well written. For me, fanfiction has been a stepping stone to the real thing. I've written fanfiction before. My first one sucked, and I learned from the mistakes I've made and tried again and this time, I've noticed it's gotten better and now I've actually got enough original content that I can separate it from the IP and am trying to fill in gaps and rework the story to work as a completely original story that I hope to publish someday

[@minion3806]

@@jneumy566 awesome! I wish you all the best with that, as a fellow fanfiction writer :) By the way, what fandom do you write for?

[@jneumy566]

@@minion3806 How to Train Your Dragon. Specifically, because I don't trust myself to write the characters' personalities right and do them justice, I invented new characters and a story for them and worked that into the pre-existing story of the movies and shows. And I've realized with a bit of extra work, I can take the story I wrote for my OC's and separate it from How to Train Your Dragon and turn it into its own original thing

[@sarkastodon30]

I’m glad there is finally cultural pushback on this. Destroy IP canon especially through 3rd party prequels is criminal. But it can be done right, even with small budget. Just look at the free KZbin movie Born of Hope, about Aragorn’s father. Faithful adaptation of Tolkien.

[@syrozzz]

That's the worst part. So many talented people in love with the source material would die to be in these fraudsters' shoes.

[@mizu7662]

I never thought I'd see anyone that was so out of touch that they thought TRoS and Kenobi were awful because they adhered too closely to canon in an attempt to appease fans. Because everyone knows that what fans wanted was having Anakin's story rendered pointless by Palpatine just coming back from the dead after Anakin redeemed himself by giving his life to save Luke and kill Palpatine. Or that they wanted to find out that actually Obi-Wan and Vader totally met and fought again between episode 3 and 4 despite that not matching what we were told in ANH and finding out that Obi-Wan had another chance to kill Vader but wimped out and explicitly spared him so that he could go on to commit more atrocities. Those were totally things that were written for fans of the Lucas era canon alright.

[@thomasmain5986]

It's like allowing a five year old loose with his painting set, to improve a Rembrandt.

[@franzrogar]

2:59 Andrew Staton then would have no problem that in Nemo 3, "Nemo" is no longer a "clown fish" but a "piranha" which is another "race" and that his mother was always there for him... I mean, who needs to adhere to canon when "can write something better"?

[@Selki933]

As a writer myself, I find the entitlement of these writers amazing. They are not capable of decent writing , so they take an established work and want to put there own spin on it. They can’t write and have no original ideas of their own. They should all be fired .

[@zenwolf6073]

Robert Frost said that writing poems without rules was like playing tennis without a net. It might be easier but definitely not as interesting.

[@roxxdude1]

Right, I think I understand this article. Here's my paraphrase "I want to write my own story that's in a similar genre to this other famous work of media. I want it to do well, but since I lack the skills/determination/desire to make it work I would like to use that famous works name to sell my below average profit. It's unfair that when I use this works name and don't meet the expectations people set for it, they are angry at the results"

[@taisinT]

Yes. And mb I also tried to write fanfiction and it never got any traction - or I was told it was crap, 'cause fandom sometimes just isn't nice (depends on fandom, but... yeah, can happen). But some such scorned authors have gone and made a name for themselves with new material, and some... well, write such articles.

[@davidcoleman757]

It was telling, when RoP did its junket for Tolkien content producers, that none of the more critical producers were invited. They just weren't prepared to listen to anyone who treasured the lore. I guess that's why Tom Shippey lost his job. What fun it would be to have Beavis and Butthead grilled by Nerdrotic, the Critical Drinker, Just Some Guy, Disparu and the rest. They'd get creamed.

[@stoneymahoney9106]

Not sure I want to see that. It would be like selling tickets to watch a bunch of grown adults beating the living crap out of a pair of children... Hey! I didn't say we absolutely positively definitely shouldn't, just that I wasn't sure!

[@johnsinth8261]

oh yeah cream em good

[@BillPeschel]

Hollywood has always had an uneasy relationship with canon. From the very beginning, a studio would buy the rights to a story, throw out everything, and rewrite it. When MGM bought the rights to Agatha Christie's Poirot and Marple novels, they gave Poirot to comedy director Frank Taslin and turned "The ABC Murders" (one of the genre's first serial killer novels) into "The Alphabet Murders" starring Tony Randall as Poirot.

[@kingbanana6457]

You know what was a great Star Wars prequal? Rogue One. It actually ADDED details to a pre-existing event to a story, and does it while *gasp* making a good story?! It’s my favourite modern Lucas film media.

[@stevenscott2718]

Its the only new star wars that i've bought i have OSWt, PSWt and R1 the rest can ----off

[@kingbanana6457]

@@ProjeKtWEREWOLF one of, if not the best, droid in star wars

[@TonioTyme]

Another Disparu Banger 🔥

[@myWeirdNerdyNeighbor]

Okay, the canon has changed: you're no longer a writer at Disney+! Now, you're a caterer making food to serve to those on set in Hollywood. (Bet "canon" would matter to them, then!)

[@CHESTNUT246]

this is just copium for people who have no creative bone in their body and dont want to do the leg work to understand the lore and the setting. they just want a shortcut to boost their own career.

[@redmist2195]

When you talk about prequel parasitism I think you need to use the word re contextualise. They basically try to derail the original by adding information to change the meaning of original.

[@memoryandthought4481]

Remember the wall street bull and the feminist company (for a stunt) adding a defiant girl later totally changing the original mean of bull. (Which was a gift from the sculpture btw)

[@cathakjordi]

But, if they want full narrative freedom... they should start stories of their own! They literally want to eat the cake and keep it at the same time. It's so damn childish. If you write into an stablished story, you have to respect that story. If you don't want to be constrained by a previous story... don't! Do something new! But you want to plunder someone else's efforts and creativity just to leech for free into your own with no cost whatsoever. It's... crazy that they feel entitled to that level.

[@mjbull5156]

To be fair, a lot of major media entertainment is no longer creating new stories, it is adapting these existing IPs. The people getting writing jobs are taking what jobs are available. Of course, the problem for them is whether they could take a truly new world from inception to production and make a good story with it even if they had the chance.

[@MacStyran]

Great, now we NEED extensive reviews for all Bond movies, Disparu. Get on it!

[@rangerstedfast]

"You have to respect the work before you're allowed to add to its legacy." Solid quote there

[@MyShiroyuki]

I sometimes compare these writers to the worst kinds of fanfiction writers. The kind of fanfiction writers you see write the most depraved of Sonic fanfiction.

[@SFord33]

I'm so glad you mentioned Wheel of Time cause that is the IP I'm most pissed about. The others get me angry, but that one and what they did to it makes me enraged.

[@sdube001]

I was looking forward to Wheel of Time so much. It turned out so bad.

[@kellharris2491]

I am torn. If Robert Jordan was alive he would be like George RR Martin. But at the same time at least he is not alive to see how they gutted his story.

[@Raiethstar]

What story? That series got so big it collapsed under it own weight. I don’t think I made it past book 8 or 9.

[@KalonOrdona2]

This video is a tour de force. Thorough, very well articulated, and right at the heart of the matter. Bravo!

[@charlesjmouse]

If someone finds the task of adding to another's work 'limiting' they are stating one of two things: -Their lack of talent is 'limiting' their ability to write something coherent within that world. -Their overblown ego is 'limiting' their willingness to write something within another's world. Very likely both, as incompetence and the inability to recognise one's own limitations often go hand in hand with overblown ego. I know this is obvious to those who possess reason but seemingly not all people are reasonable, especially certain 'writers'. If you are a writer your function is to tell stories, fact or fiction. For there to be a story there has to be a narrative that makes consistent sense. So people who dislike narrative sense, including consistency, are purveyors of nonsense. They are no more than monkeys randomly bashing away at typewriters. I don't believe I have any reason to care what a random character generator has to say.

[@bad-people6510]

Even if you somehow accepted that "If you love something you should set it free," could be applied to abstract concepts such as continuity... there's still the problem that that is only HALF the quote. The other half undercuts her more than a little.

[@headrockbeats]

To be fair to Ronald D. Moore, he _wrote_ most of the canon he had to then struggle with.... and did an amazing job at it, too!

[@papalaz4444244]

Canon is context. Psychopaths have no context. Psychopaths also like to ruin things for people with context. Psychopaths also think they are better than the originators. This has happened to - tv, films, books, comics, standup comedy..... everything. The Internet of Psychopaths is the cause.

[@personguy6987]

I think these people (if you can even call them "people" at this point, much less writers) have finally reached peak insanity. Never once in my life have I ever heard a human being claim that canon is a problem and should be thrown out cause it's "more fun" that way.

[@JustAnArrogantAlien]

They’ve been making this argument for a few years now. I remember an article (from Gizmodo if I remember right) arguing against canon that came out shortly after the release of TRoS. Now that fandom seems to be mobilizing against this vandalism recently, they’re just dredging up that argument again.

[@personguy6987]

@@JustAnArrogantAlien Do you think they'll ever realise that it's not working?

[@JustAnArrogantAlien]

@@personguy6987 I think a lot of them do realize it's not working, but they'll never admit it. Instead they pretend it IS working, and try to shame and name-call all of us into silence.

[@barryf7253]

If you love something, set it free. If it comes back, it's yours. If it doesn't, it never was.

[@GreenSwordsman1]

I agree, the real problem is toxic creators, not toxic fans

[@GregorMima]

As someone who loves SW and ST .. how THE HELL can you improve Spocks backstory? Seriously. Just rewatched Voyager again, remember the flashback ep to Tuvoks youth where he falls in love and cant cope with it? For me amazing story telling, to see how Vulcans do actually struggle with emotions. It fitted (for me) 100% canon. Ah well ... RIP ST.SW.

[@shinaxia7474]

Fan fiction has been very popular lately. But is it good? I write and publish books myself, and I know how much it costs an author to create a universe in which the action of his work takes place. I have to come up with history, traditions, culture, whole societies, political systems, characters' personalities and their past. Heck, sometimes I even have to come up with costumes and language! Do you know how much energy and time this takes? Yes, it doesn't always work out perfectly for me, but it's not easy to build a world from scratch. And then someone comes along who takes the world I've created, has everything ready and claims that he can write better than me. He takes my deep-thinking characters and.... changes their gender, changes their race, changes their sexual orientation just because he thinks he knows better. But if you, dear fan fiction author, are so good, why don't you build your own world from scratch? If you're so good, why steal someone else's world and remake it in your own way? You don't really give anything from yourself, you just push well-marketed or politically correct schemes into the hard work of someone else. It used to be that fan fiction was a way of showing respect to the author and his work. Now it's a way for the exuberant egos of people who can't create anything of their own to trample on the hard work of the original author who spent years creating his world. Current fan fics are a mockery of the author and a way to prove to him that anyone can write a story better than him, and then we have such Rings of Power. What kind of message is this sending to real authors? Let's not create anything new, let's write fan fiction. It doesn't require finesse, it doesn't require effort, and that's what will be screened.

[@benjitheband5661]

I love the idea that they are ‘’making history’’ like are our grandkids gonna learn about the first black dwarf and elf on TV in history class?

[@Sangtrone]

Restrictions make things challenging. Being challenged generally brings out the best in you. Ask any decent poet.

[@vladline1882]

You have the criticism I have been holding and so disgusted against Hollywood destroying IP & lore canon just to push "the message". Preach it Brother..

[@rio20d]

Honestly, this is what happen with many modern day writers recruited by Hollywood, they keep saying that they want to make it better which imply that the IPs written by the original authors, be it LoTR by Tolkien or Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan, or The Witcher by Andrzej Sapkowski, or any other, that their work, they spent time writing with such passion are just not good enough for the modern day writers to take and adapt. You could just see the arrogance and the hubris of these pathetic writers claiming that they could do better, if they do, then why even take IPs that they don't like to begin with. There is a reason why these amazing IPs have such a large fanbase, and its because the original authors of all of these books wrote amazing stories.

[@maximiliankling7308]

"Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made." J.R.R. Tolkien. Nothing describes those writers better than this quote.

[@kennyoconnor6564]

Terminator Dark Fate was the biggest punch in the face I’ve ever seen for killing John Connor

[@that1chickinFL]

Imagine if Terry Pratchett was sat writing the 42nd book in the Discworld series thinking, gee if only I weren't weighed down by the baggage of this rich, interesting, and varied world I've painstakingly crafted.... Except that didn't happen because he's a good story teller

[@atomicdancer]

It was a dark and stormy night, and I was babysitting for my neighbors. Suddenly, the phone rang. When I answered it, I heard someone with a scary New Zealand accent say, "I'll ruin your mythos in a minute, baby!" I was shocked and I was frightened. But I knew that the MCU canon was still safe and secure, locked up inside Marvel Studios. But then I looked at caller ID, and it said, "Taika Waititi, Marvel Studio offices." OMG - - - The call was coming from inside the house!

[@chaucerianfraud6767]

To create a "good story" or to follow the blueprint of the most popular fantasy series in the world. What a conundrum.

[@matus19971]

I find it genuinely shocking that there are people like me who struggle to find any work at all, then there's idiots like this so high up with a crazy paying job and they have absolutely no idea how jobs work. And it's not even hard: you have a customer, you deliver a good product for your customer It's not about the product being fun to make for you, it's about who is consuming it. Just because I have fun working with clay, doesn't mean anyone will buy what I make with it when it looks like a legit pile of shit.

[@SuperMoine777]

Instead of corrupting and shamefully degrade old and respected IPs, these awful people could create their own, dooming whole new worlds, universes and characters that no one care about; but then, they couldn't make money by milking on the fans expectations. Ultimately, I think these people have a very big problem with the concept of legacy.

[@CalamityDiamond]

As someone who has written fan fiction and RP'd things in universes such as Star Wars. I don't get why sticking to the canon is so hard or why they don't want to do it. The canon literally does most of the work for me, I don't have to worry about what is and isn't possible. I just need to check the source and work around it.

[@sayLeotardbutsayitChinese]

I hate that saying, "if you love something, set it free." I love the hell out of my dog, and he's not going anywhere.

[@reezlaw]

This is so infuriating, I hope one day we will look back to this abysmal era of entertainment and laugh at the stupidity

[@barryevans791]

It used to be common to use an IP without using cannon, but they made it clear before release that it was "based on x", which made it clear that it was a story set in the universe, but not true to the source. With the Witcher, they never said this at all, they said "we have changed certain things so that they transfer to the screen better, but it is still the character/s you love".

[@jeffzimmer2433]

Awesome idea! Hobbits running around with lightsabres, adventuring through time and space in the TARDIS and travelling through the Star Gate. My gosh, when the pterodactyls attack with dubstep music, that's when the Fire Nation finally attacks. Who NEEDS canon?

[@doc_sav]

If someone had asked Adrienne if she liked Star Wars, Trek, Witcher, or LotR 15 or 20 years ago, she simply would have said that she was not a fan. But now to be part of the parasite economy around the media, she doesn't feel like she has that option, so she writes an article about how she doesn't like any of those franchises but just refers to them all collectively as "canon" instead. That's the sad thing about niche interests becoming mainstream. It isn't that these people suddenly like the thing, they are just more incentivized to interact with it, even though they'd much rather be doing something else.

[@jedibusiness66]

Thought you were gonna say, “If you love something, you should set it on fire.” 😂

[@swampertdeck]

Very interesting. We went to the Star Trek movie in 2009, but it was full of plot holes , errors, and action that didn’t make any sense, shattering our suspension of disbelief. We ignored the next 2 movies by the same creator after finding out they were even worse. We went to Star Wars episode VII, which started with interesting characters, but then devolved into nonsense action. We skipped episode VIII and IX, but I know from reviews they’re not canon and full of plotholes. I loved The Witcher season I. We watched season II but it felt off, with random deaths, and dinosaurs attacking. After reading/watching reviews I learned they strayed far away from the actual stories. I read and watched some reviews on Rings of Power, and I know it’s not for me. A shame these writers want to have “fun”, at the expense of viewers, fans and things actually making sense (both within their own story, and in canon).

[@hsonmari6665]

I love visual media but it’s getting to the point that I will only read books and ignore these screen translations. The ONLY message corporations listen to is lack of financial return.

[@LifeWithMatthew]

A couple of years ago I talked about this in relation to the Last Jedi and Rain Johnson. Directors are being hired and given too much leeway with movies they don't want to create. Johnson had no desire to create a star wars film, but he did want to make a film that recreated 12 O'Clock High. He couldn't get anyone to buy off on his 12 O'Clock high remake so when he was given free reign in Star Wars he ignored canon so he could get most of the movie he wanted. You've likewise mentioned this with the witcher and the "creative team" hating the source material. The issue is NOT that canon shackles writers, but that studios keep hiring writers who don't want to write a story for the franchise they've been hired into. This makes for a painfully simple solution, just find a competent writer who DOES want to write a Lord of the Rings film, or a witcher film, or whatever franchise it is.

[@papalaz4444244]

But you clearly have not watched Andor and have blanked it for 9 weeks because it does not do what you have accused them of doing in this video. It's the best written drama this year by a long way.

[@luthasunspell8365]

Um… it was really boring. Best written this year?

[@papalaz4444244]

@@luthasunspell8365 Lutha Sunspell This channel doesn't have any content You sounded exactly like an imbecile there stamping his little foot and saying the opposite.

[@luthasunspell8365]

@@papalaz4444244 the Disparu channel doesn’t have any content? 🤣 He’s got a ton of videos, you bot.

[@papalaz4444244]

@@luthasunspell8365 ToaHahli

[@papalaz4444244]

I'm a college junior who has Lymes Disease and a wonderfully large, crazy family.

[@AvenueStudios]

This is the exact discussion I have with my 5-year-old when we're playing games and he's not winning so he wants to change the rules so he can win. Every time I tell him if you change all the rules we're not playing the same game anymore. He at least, a 5 yo, has the stones to admit that and just says "yeah I want to play my game not this." People like the author of this article are literally children. They don't want to follow any rules, they don't want to work hard for anything and if it all goes wrong it is always someone else's fault. It's truly sad to see these literal adult children. -Dan

[@Aizucita]

All I can read from these articles is: "I want easy money. No, don't make me work or process any information."

[@CommanderJoir]

Imagine being a chef in an Italian restaurant and someone ordered Italian food from the menu so you make them poorly made Asian food instead then the food critic shame the said customer for not liking the restaurant

[@charlotteharris5914]

People like that remind me of the kindergarten days where there was always that one kid who had to go and ruin your creations in the sand box, because it made them feel better.

[@Maehedrose]

I ran a 7-year long ttrpg campaign set in the Star Wars universe during the Clone Wars. We played once-twice a week, for 8+ hours every session, and I frequently tied material back to the canon universe (and Expanded Universe canon as well) using Wookieepedia as my primary source of research. If I can do that, without ruining the previous works, then these highly paid Hollywood writers should be able to pull off something a fraction as good. They can't, though, because unlike them, I am a fan of the setting and put actual love and effort into my stories.

[@matthewc5177]

the bad thing is when shows based on great IP's fail the writers will blame the IP and not their own failures, which is why we still get the same regurgitated crap with the next show, and when that fails they continue to blame the IP or the the "toxic" fan base.

[@brew1234567891]

The rest of her quote. ….If it comes back it was yours, if it doesn’t it never was.

[@marcob5549]

Totally agree with you. And as an European, I do not accept that American "woke culture" , that ruins everything that touches. Like Professor Tolkien legacy.

[@farrex0]

Imagine a freelancer that sends their work to a client and the client says "What is this? This isn't what I asked you to do. I gave you a very clear document, parameters and examples of what I was looking for". Freelancer: "Yeah, I saw those and I just found them very limiting, it simply wasn't fun to my job. So I decided to do what I always wanted to do with it. If you weren't so closed minded you could see how good it is" Client: "I do not care if it is good or not, this isn't what I asked for. You were supposed to de precisely what the documentation said, it was all there. I can't pay you if you do not do what I asked. This is my pet project, I can't let you sabotage it." Freelancer: "Ok, I get this is your pet project, and you love it. But if you really love it, you would set it free. Limitations is the enemy on any creative process" Client: "You know what? I am not even going to pay you for that, I will go to another freelancer. One that does it right". Freelancer: "OMG, why are you so toxic?"

[@erdrick8670]

Whenever I hear this sort of talk it's like a young fanfiction writer who believes their special characters or direction is legitimately better than the original. I know some stories have some great fanfictions, but those pale in comparison to the amount that are bad and abandoned. Except in this situation, they are actively hurting the source by not respecting what made it great rather than on some corner of the internet for fun as most FF writers do. It's an honestly great outlet to learn and explore your ideas, many abandoned because they realize the idea didn't have as much driving weight as they once thought or simply lack the writing chops to see it through to the end. Some get bored but in that context it's fine, it doesn't hurt anyone or anything. These people though, they don't seem to realize a lot of the time that their actions with these stories have consequences, but seemingly don't care because they actually feel they're right and their ideas are better than the story that pulled itself up to the point of getting an adaptation. It's a level of arrogance and callousness that will never stop astounding me. What a real shame.