The Problem with DNA Testing for Native American Heritage w/Shannon O'Loughlin | Joe Rogan

[@bighoss8793]

Her Indian name is " Dances Around Questions."

[@minuit6305]

LMFAOO

[@diehardAMD]

Says a person that doesn’t listen. She doesn’t directly answer questions because being by blood doesn’t qualify you alone. Just as the movie you quoted. That main character was adopted into the nation. A Chinese American born in LA isn’t Chinese by culture and those White Chinese nationals on the Russian border are not biological Han. Have some respect or keep announcing you’re an asshole who doesn’t want to understand.

[@jarellgaddy8587]

@@diehardAMD Cool story bro.

[@bighoss8793]

@@diehardAMD and your Indian name is "Sitting Bullshit."

[@deanguiri3058]

Hahaha 🤣

[@11JohnBooker22]

Every chance I get I like to thank descendants of the Choctaw tribe for raising money and supplies for my ancestors in Ireland during the potato famine. On March 23rd, 1847, a group of Choctaw leaders and others met in eastern Oklahoma to raise money for the starving and poor in Ireland,170 dollars were raised. This was a time in which the English crown exported MILLIONS of tonnes of produce from Ireland but refused to provide for its people.

[@carlwhitehair4282]

Don’t forget how they help the settler escape religious state in Europe. Than broke all the treaty w/ Native American. Gave them blanket filled w/ smallpox. Concentration camps turn to reservation to die in slowly. Now all white are claiming to be native Americans. *Racial Shifting.*

[@sophiabreidfischer6242]

Humans supporting humans is so beautiful and the reason many of us are alive 🙌

[@11JohnBooker22]

@@sophiabreidfischer6242 Yes, it is, thanks for sharing. I visited your channel, very intuitive and encouraging. 🙂

[@sophiabreidfischer6242]

@@11JohnBooker22 Thankyou so much! I appreciate that☺️. I enjoyed your animal videos. Very sweet.

[@SrChalice]

Thanks for providing this info that I didn't know.

[@eljona1665]

Lol I’m Mexican. Most of us are mestizo(European and Native mixed) for one real mixed people show much more indigenous features. I did a test and I have about 40% native blood but I’m brown/short. The rest was 60% European (Spanish and French). And the tests where able to track down what regions of Mexico my indigenous blood were from and I can tell you it was pretty damn accurate. I just don’t understand the point of claiming any racial/ethnic background unless you really do have daily real life connection to it. In reality I don’t consider myself “native” or “european” but more of a culture that is a byproduct of both being mixed.

[@6eloved]

Same. I'm 53% indigenous and from Honduras. But because I look mixed, strangers have taken it upon themselves to ask "what I am" pretty much my whole life. I used to say hispanic/latino but being adopted I dont feel I can claim culture/heritage to those labels. I say half indigenous, 30% european and a mixture of some other shit. Because those are the most neutral terms I can think of.

[@revolt23frea]

colonized

[@6eloved]

@@revolt23frea Yes, unfortunately.

[@cjohnson3836]

White people, especially white conservatives, like to use their 1/164 Native Americanism to justify their racism.

[@johncantu6316]

c johnson that's hypocritical white liberals who claim the financial benefits that belong to those impoverished natives who need them - then become elitists looking down on the browns, saying minorities need the whites to 'manage' them - '-care' or '-fare' other words ... which really is another form of subjugation and entrapment like LBJ said ...

[@elmarty4803]

Seems a little odd that she talks about the governments “purity” test but each Native group has their own purity test. Just because they dont use DNA as a single form of requirement they all create their own purity tests. Joe gives her an example of other groups that use their own purity test and she moves quickly past it. Kinda seems like everyone has their own purity test for their groups.

[@tinasprocket2812]

Exactly. Tshimshian, Tlingit, Haidas in Alaska are examples

[@mr.bayarea1152]

Yeah but it's different when it's the group defining what they are themselves, versus a third party imposing a definition on them that benefits the third party.

[@jonathont5570]

Only an indian if you are a certain %, purity test like others in the 1930s

[@SonsoftheEagle]

She is a khazar,its all lies. Dna proves they are DEFINITELY NOT the chosen people. 100% guaranteed.

[@HyliaFell]

There's a lot of legality in why they are forced to do that, though. If they could drop it entirely, most would. Government forces us to comply in that manner, unfortunately. Not to mention the Dawes Roll is all kinds of screwed up. They didn't have genetic tests back then; they just randomly assigned "purity" based on how dark or fair-skinned a native was, even though it's not uncommon at all to have lighter-skinned and even darker-skinned tribes.

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

*Elizabeth Warren has entered the chat*

[@georizzo9891]

Wtf I literally just replied to one of your comments on Iron Muskets channel your everywhere

[@BrokenAbyss]

Gio Rizzo ikr. Lol I see him everywhere. Literally.

[@BrokenAbyss]

Thoreau please let me live.

[@AnimalAlmighty]

@@BrokenAbyssmake sum new videos

[@ANTHONYLOVE-gu1iv]

Warren's indian name is "Farts alot"

[@Tony__Tone]

Blood quantum is also how the tribes protect themselves from a bunch of people who try to claim it and the benefits.

[@akirayagami5015]

Exactly, there are so many trying to benefit off being native. It's pretty sad.

[@flyingvampirewerewol]

Was going to say this, I live on the Isabella Indian reservation in Michigan and people just dna test for those benefits, I have family that belong to a different tribe and I doubt I have any blood but theirs wants you to live in the culture and be in the middle of all of their events for a certain amount of time before they allow you in their tribe if you are on the fringe of an ALREADY established tribal family

[@summertea545]

You have to give the tribe one or both your parents birth certificate from that information they can find out if they are tribal members or an enrolled member. Plus, they require certain blood quantum of one quarter on the Rosebud Sioux Tribe where I have friends there. I'm from Amsterdam and have visited the Rosebud, beautiful traditions, customs and language. They are a thriving nation all by themselves.

[@jenniferbobennifer6164]

no the government came up with blood quantum.

[@abandonbelief]

People claim to be Jewish in Africa but they are not recognized by the Jews due to their abandonment of their Jewish beliefs. Jewish people are Jewish forever even if it means persecution of their loved ones or death. Because even if they have nothing they still have their values, and that is why they hold the record as longest surviving people in the world, and oldest "religion."

[@mike_p941]

“My grandfather was half lesbian,that makes me quarter lesbian” - Eric cartman

[@seanchavez143]

😆😂🤣✌🤟🤙👍

[@mike_p941]

chris jackso was it bi. I honestly don’t remember

[@woodsmand]

@@mike_p941 your right it was bi

[@Chris-adams-rc-journey]

I'm full blown lesbian.

[@-haclong2366]

To be fair, "Lesbian" can also refer to people from þe island of Lesbos, in fact þat's þe original meaning.

[@streghewitch77]

Those who don't want to talk about what percentage Native Americans they are tend to have an extremely low percentage. It's absolutely ridiculous. They can be 50% European and will still claim to be Native American, even though they're only about 3 to 7 percent native. It actually cracks me up

[@joaquinflores3547]

us Mexicans or Latinos in general have more indigenous blood than those who claim to be Native here in the US, most of us have up to at least 40% aside from the European ancestry some even more

[@streghewitch77]

@@joaquinflores3547 exactly my point. The only people who go around flapping their gums about it are people who have a very low percentage of it. Like this woman. She's so embarrassed by how low her percentages that she won't even say it out loud.

[@joaquinflores3547]

@@streghewitch77 yea she never told Joe what her percentage was it was probably really low

[@danielshy9176]

​@@joaquinflores3547back in the 70's our town had only a few Mexicans. We knew they were different because they always had Dark skin & black curly to kinky hair. So that what we thought all Mexicans looked like. Found out why .they had the African blood.so many were coming into the US . From all over. Anyway remember The African slaves were taken to South America before they came to USA. And they have whole communities of Afro/Mexicans. Sadly they were shuned by the Mexicans too. So Mexicans & Latinos are mixed more than the Red Native. Heck...we all are !!

[@vangoghsotherear4114]

@@danielshy9176 exactly and they do this and it forces the black skinned tribal members to only intermix usually with the incoming africans which dilutes the blood percentage much faster than european intermixing. A lot of the black native in the US were forcibly mixed with europeans or africans so the percentage is low but for some their native ancestor made a huge impact on their family lineage, some have family history residing on the same land with native tribes living amongst them for generations and then they were removed form their tribes and some were sold to europeans as children to be re-educated and then forcibly mixed with european. The darkskinned or afro mixed members were also removed and forced into slavery and mixed with africans for generations. A lot of natives in the US are at most 20% native because of this history. In the US we claim our native roots and go by the paperwork more than blood quantum because of the unique history. Our native ancestors didn't ask to be erased by the legacy of colonization and slavery and trying to force us not to claim them doesn't sit right with a lot of americans. As americans we don't take the legal set-asides for natives unless we are currently tribal members. But we acknowledge our native ancestors. For black americans many of us practice ancestral veneration. We include our native ancestors in that practice as their legacy is meant to be remembered. You will be hard fought to find a black american who didnt have a native ancestor at some point especially on the east coast. But because african genes dominate it's rare you will see it in blood. Paperwork aligns however.

[@michaelgans8763]

Elizabeth Warren would love to hear this.

[@Akshaytyagixin]

no..they are tribes ...doesn't matter what your blood says...she was not part of a tribe

[@zolavib1187]

No family or cultural ties no tribal affiliation aside from that one visit she had for pr

[@downeybill]

Hahahaha

[@bobbyben6134]

😂😂😂 I have 0.0001% native Americans.

[@daddymack1499]

Elizabeth Warren still waiting on that Indian money check though....

[@primitive.notions4789]

Her tribal name is "Speaks With Manager"

[@shereecotton75]

🤣😂🤣😂🤣hilarious, good one

[@ZeroWolfClaw]

Lol 😆

[@frankamourleon6076]

I can see it. I am "Runs With Beers".

[@them12biggates26]

Yeeoooo 😂

[@susanhanna940]

How disrespectful

[@disiamtheillusion]

As usual people deny genetics while trying to use genetics to frame their argument

[@indigenousndn7631]

IT'S SAD THAT 24 OTHER PEOPLE AGREE.IGNORANCE IS TRULLY BLISS.

[@HAXORZ21]

She isn't denying her genetics, she is saying they aren't relevant to her tribal citizenship. Which I and many other Native's would agree with. In the past, before the federal government imposed the idea of blood quantum you could be 100% white while still being accepted as a complete and equal member of a tribe

[@Gaia_Gaistar]

@@HAXORZ21 What does tribe even mean anymore? To anyone? What if you're adopted?

[@HAXORZ21]

@@Gaia_Gaistar Tribe is the only thing that matters to true Natives. You could be "full blooded Indian" but if you aren't apart of any tribe than that doesn't mean a damn thing. On the other hand, white people are adopted into tribes all the time and I would consider myself closed to these people.

[@disiamtheillusion]

@@HAXORZ21 in college genetics it teaches there are no markers for race,so dna testing for race is fraud,unless the whole college course was bs.im also part native but i understand its nationality and not a seperate breed of humanity

[@the_Kurgan]

Well, if people were treated equally regardless of race, then there would be no need to worry about what race people are.

[@RC-eb5hq]

However, very important for health reasons due to genetic strengths/weaknesses/tendencies/susceptibility to specific diseases

[@mccranky2]

@@RC-eb5hq ..exactly!!!

[@Badgerstate]

Wrong

[@the_Kurgan]

@@Badgerstate How so? Why would someone lie about their race if there was no advantage. And if they did who would it hurt?

[@the_Kurgan]

@@RC-eb5hq Yeah I don't see any contradiction there. Treating people equally does not mean ignoring their differences.

[@zombobo101]

Joe: Are you 100% Native American? Shannon: No, absolutely not. Joe: What percentage are you? Shannon: Ummm... And that's... That's... Joe: Is it racist? Shannon: Let's talk about that...

[@norgepalm7315]

Yeah, this woman is an absolute nutcase.

[@grapesyrop]

McNasty exactement that was soo weird

[@guadafok3585]

This lady decided to be Indian so that she can be a victim and fight for justice Lmao

[@kevindube7096]

@Shlomo Lipschitz 👏👏👏 how are you defending her & being someone she’d try to cancel at the same time?

[@Efreeti]

What's nuts about that?

[@davidhillard3677]

On tommorows podcast Charles Barkley discusses the plight of his Chinese ancestors.

[@gavstargavstruck2010]

a lots of blacks have chinese in the ancestory. I'm of guyanese heritage {born in canada} but i have pure black from the dad side and on my mom sad i have black/asian/east indian/portugese/aboriginal mix. so ya, my mom side is mutt. lol but asian are in a lot of black ancestory

[@blackknight295]

@@gavstargavstruck2010 nah alot of Chinese have black in their ancestral dna. Who were the original inhabitants of that region? The ancient Tibetan people... You should good some pics of ancient tibet and see if you don’t get black asians with dreads

[@Dude-gx2ul]

@@gavstargavstruck2010 you're full of s&^%%

[@user-pd9ju5dk5s]

@@blackknight295 How did you get a picture of ancient Tibetans when cameras werent even invented till like 17th century 😂😹

[@senilejoe7932]

I have never seen a Asian with giant bongo lips 💩

[@Kche_Mkede_Mko]

I’m from Oklahoma and all 4 of my grandparents are American Indian. I carry the blood of the Potawatomi, Choctaw, Creek, and Cherokee. However, I carry a card with Citizen Potawatomi Nation.

[@JM-X0304]

If that’s you in the profile picture you’re straight up a white guy. Like you literally look like your name is Kyle, you work at a bong shop, you vape mid conversation and you got a dashiki from a thrift store as a joke. You’re tops 10% Native, probably about 4%.

[@edmcclendon9588]

Same here , I have my 2rd great mother roll card from Geneva Alabama.

[@natashab3412]

Mvskoke / Shawnee / Cherokee/ Lumbee

[@Qááh_Eskiminzin]

Native American Indigenous My father is HUALAPAI TRIBE & 🇺🇸 JICARILA APACHE TRIBE🇺🇸 & my mother PASQUA YAQUI TRIBE🇺🇸 I am SAN CARLOS APACHE TRIBAL First Nations🇺🇸

[@Qááh_Eskiminzin]

Cherokee is a made up tribe by immigrants.

[@denisfinn6681]

All of this will stop when no one is rewarded for their ancestors

[@whereRbearsTeeth]

Or punished

[@Laroc1982]

I noticed she didn’t answer the percentage question. This is a whole white woman.

[@rykson161]

A white woman and a half !

[@madisonrennee517]

Pure ignorance in this comment. She doesn’t want to disclose what percentage of Native American dna she has because it’s ridiculous. That began when the fed gov started with Native American boarding schools that they used to erase native heritage.

[@madisonrennee517]

This woman clearly has native blood. Look at her facial structure and don’t be so ignorant.

[@joemondy1121]

We have BINGO!

[@Laroc1982]

@@madisonrennee517 Yeah, maybe 1%. Maybe.

[@bonnieparker335]

Through DNA testing a long lost cousin found my family. He had been given up for adoption because my aunt had a teen pregnancy. 50 years later he takes a 23 and me and reunites with my family, and proceeds to call the tribal office to see if he's in for some long lost money. Our tribe happens to be one of the more "traditional" ones and uses old school government (clan mothers/no casino/no natural resources) and is pretty broke -no one gets "free money" but man what a rich culture he should have been proud to find out about. Being Native has never been about what you can get.

[@lisettes.9598]

@Stephanie Ellison my parents are Dominican, but my great grandma is Japanese. Even before ai knew that I was always drawn to asian culture and almost exclusively am attracted to asian men. I really think our dna has the same collective memory that you see expressed clearly in elephants.

[@lisettes.9598]

@Stephanie Ellison I traveled through Thailand, Laos, Japan, Macao, and South Korea before covid made us quarantine in Thailand for a year. I can definitely see remnants of a core influence on all the cultures.

[@cheryldellamano3374]

I'm a quarter Lakota Sioux. But growing up I never knew that. My mom didn't like to talk about such things, that was taboo in the 60's. So when I found out as an adult, I was excited just to be native. It never entered my mind to look for compensation.

[@takima504]

@@cheryldellamano3374 the reason why it was taboo cuz of the boarding schools. Damn catholics. My great grandma had to go to one. They cut her hair, spank her with a ruler if she spoke modoc( im from the modoc tribe lol look it up sometime we were the only ones to kill an american general) and taught them all to be bible readers. Plus in 1920 there was this act I forget the name of, but it pretty much made it ilegal to claim to be indian. So no one even claimed that sort of thing during that time era. But funny enough the tribes were actually doing extremely well during that time which was the great depression. I remember hearing stories about at one time the modoc and klamath tribes was the richest tribe in all of america becuase of our timber. But in 1950 this thing called termination hit my tribe and a few others, it was an extention of the previous act and it 'terminated' our tribe. The plan was to go to all the indian kids just getting out of highschool ie my grandmas generation, and gave them an offer A lump some of cash which I don't know the amount, but it was a lot cuz I remember hearing stories of people going out n buying brand new cars and partying for days on end Or a bunch of land. Some indains took land..... A lotta indians took the cash.... Well you gotta know that these were pretty much kids still, 18, 19 20 year olds. If given the option of either free money or a bunch of land u don't know what to do with cuz your 20 years old your gonna take the cash u can go buy booze weed and coke with ya know😹 n thats how it was for about 2 to 3 generations where im from.... Some indians did take land though.... And those old farts are pretty much all gone....but they were treated like living gods walking amogst us... Especially this one old indian named Chiloquin edison. Who built a town on the land he was given. And that town is still there today. Pretty much a rez but yeah. Lmao but during my grandmas day Chiloquin was called little chicago, cuz of all the drinking which lead to a lot of death, a lot of shootings and stabbings and fights happened in chiloquin. Today they still call it chi town lmao, but everyone there is so far removed from the rest of the world that no one here knows that the real chi town is chicago not chiloquin😹😹 tbh natives are kinda dumb. Im native myself lmao. But I think thats only cuz we're so far removed from western culture and have a strong history with it that causes indians to hate indians just for reading the bible or liking things that are considered white. Also a fun little fact since your techincally new to being native lmao The word indian doesn't come from that stupid story of Christopher columbus thinking he was traveling to India lmao that makes no sense. Back in columbuss day India was called hindustan. India was any place with dark skinned people. Africa can be India technically lmao, and by that definition america as well. The word indain comes from indigo Meaning blue black Another fun fact Indain babies have blue marks on their buts when their born. This is something only found in people in the americas I do beleive. And this lead to white people and spanaids thinking natives beat their kids but this was in fact a by product of their skin color. Ie the indigo skin color. I remember even hearing old stories of entire tribes being like a really really dark skin color with hints of blue on them. Maybe just old legends but who knows prolly those chatholics seen them and was like holy shit😹😹 and killed them without recording it lmao

[@cheryldellamano3374]

@@takima504 Thank you for all of the info. Some of it I knew, but I still learned alot from you. One of my daughters has the mark on her backside from birth.

[@billdavis6900]

The last comment Joe Rogan made was interesting about Native Americans and Hunting Seasons and game laws. I took a guy I used to work with fishing a number of years ago and he was Native American and had an ID card. We went striper fishing (striped bass) in the lower Chesapeake Bay. He was allowed to catch and keep as many as he wanted, unlike me who's white, where the limit was 2 fish per day. We ended up getting a citation by a Game Warden who was unfamiliar with the rules concerning Native Persons. I ended up going to court over it because I was looking at a fine of $4000.00. The court looked up the rule and dismissed the fine, but the prosecution then tried to argue that it was on my boat and therefore the fish were in my possession. I had been smart enough to take photos of the two fish I was allowed to keep in the boat's built in fish box and my Native friend's fish were in his cooler that he had brought on board with his name on it, plainly showing which fish were mine and which were his, the same as the photos the Game Warden presented in court. Anyway, they dismissed it and I got out of the fine.

[@cherylbowen4229]

Wow! :O

[@billdavis6900]

@Buffalo Billions It's OK

[@primalway1]

Dam...can you imagine if all chick's I America between 18- 35 were ordered by law to give up that goat hoof to any native American?...and he could do it as many times as he wanted?...we'd have 200 million freaking comaches, Navajo, Sioux, apache etc INSTANTLY....all kinds of peepee in that teepee!..

[@lisabaltzer4190]

A person should not get special rights because they have a certain DNA code. You both should be allowed to get the same amount of fish.

[@thecia9498]

@@lisabaltzer4190 Yes people definitely should get special rights when their entire culture was wiped out and discriminated against for litterally over 2 centuries. You just don't like the situation because you don't benefit from it.

[@TheGreatAwakening160]

How many years do you need to go back to determine what you are? 300-400 years is approximately 2000 people have contributed to your DNA. Unless there’s an enormous amount of incest in your ancestry, then what you are is likely Not able to be determined beyond 100-150 years. And if that’s true, why worry about what we are? Some of my family arrived in North America in the 1600’s, but most of them came here in the 20th century, early 1900’s. I’m told that the Scottish part of my family married Indigenous people. Now what? So if some of me has been here for over 400 years, I’m fucking indigenous. Or am I just a part of the other 1,999 DNA contributors? Wait, what about the 1000’s of contributors before them? Fuck it! Who cares ! Im American!

[@deeejayeee]

Simple answer and commonsense...you are all of both your parents and their parents etc, etc

[@jaymeelarsen]

I grew up called a half breed and was told I wasn't good enough for either of my heritage. People are so hurtful. It used to hurt but now I love myself for who I am and I am proud of the person I have become. I am cherokee and Italian

[@TayTay-o2d]

Wow you have inspired me. I am mixed and I know exactly how it feels to get picked on and reminded as a child I didn’t belong. As I child I grew up getting asked all the time what am I mixed with. Truth is I have absolutely no idea. I am grown now with my own babies and Dad can tell them great stories. So I would like to know more about my history. Thank you

[@chickasawstarrmountain9747]

Me too raised in a extreme small south Eastern town i was called tar baby, squaw,darky Mae,by people i loved but i didn't kno it was bad ,i tried dying my hair staying out of the sun ,putting foundation that was for ivory white girls all over my face and arms ,but now every stranger i meet tells me i have beautiful skin and asks me if i am indian , I tell them proudly yes i love what God made me im blessed because he made me different ❤and outta 4 of my grandchildren 2 have the same copper gold skin beautiful eyes and hair 😍 my daughters twin 9 yr old daughters are identical except one is blonde blue eyed and fair skinned, the other is dark skinned brown eye and black hair my 2 grandsons are the same im very proud❤

[@anitab734]

Your white

[@jaymeelarsen]

@@anitab734 no I'm not thanks

[@Tdottles]

Well that's because most white folks claim that they are "Cherokee". It's kind of been an ongoing joke for centuries. If I had a dollar anytime someone told me they were Cherokee after meeting me. (I'm Comanche) I'd be so rich. Embrace your Italian ancestry. You look way more European.

[@yadayada752]

Tribes decide their own percentages for tribal membership. Some tribes can require 1/4 percent & others can be 1/32. The feds don't decide.

[@markd5727]

So how is this determined exactly?..

[@yadayada752]

@@markd5727 it usually depends on what the tribe has. Those that have income; ie., casinos, oil accept more members on their roles. Those with little money, usually decide to have stricter limits. My friend who is from the Fort Duchesne,UT tribe gets payments from the tribe as they have oil. They have tribal roles from the 1800's down. So they know who is related. You would have to prove you were descended from someone already on the roles. Some of my niece es have native blood. But they are only 1/16 & their tribe doesn't recognize them.

[@markd5727]

@@yadayada752 No i meant the Blood Quantum. Is that done via Dna Testing?

[@jtro5158]

Incorrect- for federal government purposes- they must be no less than 1/4 verifiable through the tribe- Each tribe may enroll members that are less but only the federal government will recognize those who are 1/4

[@MarkMiller304]

1/4 sounds right as the very limit, beyond 1/4 you really have no direct connection to anyone that is pure blooded. Few people have great grand parents. I would say if you’re less than half of something then your identity should be whatever the bigger half is with the smaller half as an admixture. It wouldn’t be that much of an issue if natives had a larger population to absorb all the mixed blood. They are literally in danger of being absorbed by the majority. When your’re 1/32 something you’re not gonna identify as that, it’s just going to be a funny family story how your great great great grandparent was this or that.

[@Vinylrebel72]

When I was a kid, I thought my family was from Mexico... My dad spoke Spanish.... and it was strange cause the kids at my school would look at me and tap their mouths and mock me... and they said I was too dark, or my dad was dark, and my mom was light skinned...then I met my great grandmother...and I was BLOWN AWAY...my whole family was there and she said..."Look at all these Cherokee!" She looked like the Native American women I would see in photos... and I asked her..."Great grandma, are you from Mexico? Why did you call us Cherokee?" She said..."Because you're Cherokee, that blood is in you." It turned out, we had a better shot at being accepted if we were "Hispanic" and not "Native American".... This was back in the 70's...Later I found out that my dad was from the Lipan Apache tribe of Texas...he took me aside and told me that my great great aunt was taken by Mexicans, and sold into slavery in Mexico... that my great great grandfather, walked on foot, from Texas to Mexico...and brought her home. He said at one time our family lived in Mexico, cause the Army was coming through Texas and killing Apache...so they fled to Mexico.

[@ketocutie2981]

The same with my family. They are Native American but would tell others that they are light black people because it made it easier for them living in the deep South.

[@thatoneguy665]

Mexican slave trade? Never heard of it

[@Beach.Native]

I thought the same until my great grandmother told me a similar story. It’s sad how some of these Mexicans feel entitled to our land. A lot of misinformed people spreading misinformation. They claim their land was stolen when they actually participated in colonization too.

[@weseethetruth158]

@@ketocutie2981 did you really just say it was better to be black than native American in the deep south?🤣🤣🤦‍♂️

[@ketocutie2981]

@@weseethetruth158 Yes, this was my family's experience. I know others whose family would say they are Black, or East Indian (as in from India), or Latino, or say they are from the Caribbean Islands, or Creole, or Middle Eastern, or mixed, or even Phillipino, etc. This is how some families navigated the South. People with bias are very strange. They may tolerate one group and hate another. None of this makes any sense, but neither does racism. Every time my great grandparents left the reservation they would be hunted down, kidnapped, and brought back to the reservation. They didn't want to live on the reservation because they owned their own land and wanted economic opportunities. They eventually hid behind labels to keep their land, farm, livestock, etc.

[@davidfreeman2522]

I'm 100% native American. I was born here.

[@chinese1181]

A college professor of mine, a Cherokee, told me basically the same thing. If you are born in this country, you are a native American.

[@blaydeesy2005]

You triggered the idiots lol.

[@chinese1181]

@JohnDove-rn2cd He was correct. The "law" and politico said he was not.

[@chinese1181]

@JohnDove-rn2cd John, you can say that until the cows come home, but anyone born on this soil is an American.

[@chinese1181]

@JohnDove-rn2cd And no, not "everyone" knows it." I will stand by what my Native American professor told me and you can play with words.

[@RebelRockstar919]

She dodged that question of "what's your percentage" hard asf 🤣🤣

[@zachmcnair5493]

yeah, bad look

[@vladimirgertner3960]

No, she denounced that question. Which she should do. It is about being a part of the community, which she is. It is absurd trying to boil that down to DNA percentages. Fuck, even if she is 0% but was adopted and raised by Natives, nobody should ever question it.

[@elkaddiction4540]

Ya, because its an absolute insult. Traditionals do not answer questions like that. She did a great job!

[@elkaddiction4540]

@Chris Bickers racist you are, but KZbin doesn't care, say that about a Jewish individual, see, you have racist friends here too!

[@elkaddiction4540]

@Chris Bickers naaa, you can identify as the racist you are, see, you are doing so well! Keep the good racist work up!

[@JC-dx6ep]

“When people see me they don’t think I’m native, they look for the brown skin” ....proceeds to be 5% native gtfo lady

[@chriskp]

Even Joe could understand that your dna is totally irrelevant in this discussion. You might be a racist.

[@adam007ize]

There’s people in Bolivia, Peru, Mexico, etc who self identify as ‘white’ that have way more native ancestry than her

[@garbanzobeans7984]

@@chriskp when in doubt call someone a racist. High percentage of shutting down conversation and intimidating. Great job biddy

[@marineworld6335]

I’m black but have blue eyes it’s proven in my DNA 🧬 I’m 4% African 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@roising.3221]

@@marineworld6335 Black people don't accept you as black, so you are not.

[@MChiave]

She's obviously "Indian"; her ancestors suffered a lot during Hitler's invasion of Poland!

[@bennyce5430]

💥

[@Antekdzi1]

Jesus , im Polish and I can smell the victim mentality all over this woman

[@normand5847]

When she asked Joe what was the first thing he thought she was when she walked in I thought Jew. I knew he was too afraid to say it.

[@Squarespex]

Einstein once said: “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity”. Hope you won’t suffer like other people in history.

[@RichardBonomo]

Thank you, Shannon, for using "Indian," rather than the Leftist-imposed "native American." I am a native American by virtue being born in -- in my case -- the USA.

[@tyler-xo3rb]

Something tells me this woman doesn’t satisfy that “purity test...”

[@EmilyRose0]

SO WHAT? Of course not she said she "something like that" to Joes "50/50". You ucking haters, she also explained that is not just about genetics but about what people you grew up and were with growing up. So obviously she is not pure 100% Choktaw. She never claimed she is and you should not just rail against her for dodging that question.

[@neheiroberts3218]

@@EmilyRose0 thats not the point she was very inclusive about the statement which tells people she isnt confident in that statement so she more then likelt isnt half but much much less

[@EmilyRose0]

@@neheiroberts3218 So what? Maybe she is "only" 10% SO WHAT? You are do exactly what she explained the government did to them. Trying to remove people from their heritage, remove rights from them because they are not "pure". If she has a low percentage but grew up community that is higher percentage she is fully part of that nation. This genetic purity bullshit is what the nazis did. And you youtube comment nazis just jump on her punching her while she is down because she is not confident about her percentage because she probably fears exactly what you are doing. Yes it would be better if she just proudly said her percentage, no matter how small, explain it like she did after and be done with it - but it happened like it to so deal with it and stop hating. Her having that exp. becoming a lawyer may be exactly that they need and I am pretty sure she is NOT Elisabeth Warren with like

[@neheiroberts3218]

@@EmilyRose0 well sweetheart im not white so that nazi comment probably isnt going to hold its weight and second no you cannot see anything resembling native american DNA within her hell even the name is European so if you can do everyone a favor here and hop off her sack you would make every one happy

[@EmilyRose0]

@@neheiroberts3218 I was obviously intentionally making the comparison based on BEHAVIOR so your skin colors, genes or whatever you got do not change and single thing about that. And you idiot continue to try to do it based on her name. She said one parent is Irish or Polish or something so yeah OBVIOUSLY her name came from that side! Not going to explain to you how breeding and DNA works buddy. And yes I can see something in her complexion that looks native to me. I wish she would release some gene tests to just shut your haters up, seriously I bet she is not like Warren with below 1%. Also it seems you can just get adopted into a tribe without any actual native DNA so even if she is "fake" she could still be part of a tribe if I got that right ... that would make those purity demands even more pointless. I am out.

[@flipthescript101]

She stereotyped herself thinking that we expect her to have brown skin and feathers in her hair. She didn't even say how much NA she has...She probably has the same as Elizabeth Warren?

[@ojmanoo]

the average American white has more native American than Elizabeth warren LOL

[@hellokitty2022]

She said “about” 50/50

[@toscatattertail9813]

Back in 1970's, the only way to know the % you had is to know your complete genealogy more than 6 generations back to the first full blooded ancestor. Then they look at full blooded (both parents also documented as full blooded), 1/2 blooded (one parent had to be documented as full blooded), 1/4 blooded (one grandparent was documented full blooded) and so forth. Now DNA is showing more Native American bloodlines as more people are having their DNA tested. Here is the tricky bit, my husbands family has no Native American ancestors. According to my mother, there is Native American in our family tree, but neither my sister or myself show Native American in our DNA but my daughter does.

[@deanag8457]

Watch Dane Calloway

[@kelthawizgod4776]

@Melvin Smith he’ll yeah Dane spits the real, I’m Chickasaw native and I’m black I hate when white ppl like this lady tries to claim native, they even go as far as trying to be tribal leaders publicly

[@joshuabrunetta4656]

I love how this woman goes on a long rant about blood percentage and how bad that is and joes like ‘so you’re half and half?!?’ Ahahahah

[@mattallan6338]

@The Modern Stoic berty boy reference?lol

[@guadafok3585]

She's less than that, she said she's Polish but her last name is Irish lmao

[@mattallan6338]

@The Modern Stoic I ment hey big boy special lol

[@ethiopianeyes]

She a $5indian. Bunch of fukin europeans culture vultures claiming to be the people they killed. They do this shit all around the world.

[@gimmedemdigits6040]

@@guadafok3585 what a fucking fraud

[@rhondaenglish4022]

All my anscestors have been screaming for me and my generations for truth. Thankyou. ❤❤❤.

[@MegaMecoso]

Really Joe? Is this the only "Indian" you could find?

[@todaysthoughts5568]

RIGHT

[@hmackprotection1]

Billy Caulder shut up. If Joe gets interviewed you, you’d sound like a bumbling idiot

[@patrickcampbell2077]

She's the director of the Association of American Indian Affairs. That's a significant administrative position. That's why she's being interviewed.

[@tannhausergate9915]

@Billy Caulder You were fuckin robbed Billy! The pale face still keeps you down, shameful!

[@tonybogert4088]

RIGHT!!!!! This is really some bullshit

[@sylviaduffey8781]

This is heartbreaking for those of us who's ancestors were 100 0/0 Cherokee we're not added to the Rolls and could not openly claim their heritage for fear of being driven out or murdered. Now, we are not accepted among our people because the $5 indians are the leaders and powers on the reservations and will deny us, only granting ID with none of the benefits owed to our ancestors.

[@Mike_E_DeShaman]

No one owes you shit

[@pinchebruha405]

Hmmmmm Cherokee were kinda traitors to all the Natives of America, every white person I’ve met claims Cherokee…..yeah 😅 kinda proving the point

[@jbangf3292]

That's sad heavy hearted.👾👾👾👾👾

[@duopenotti3481]

Your heritage is more than just a percentage, never let people take it away from you! My dad is from the Lokono (Arawak) tribe in Suriname, my mother is white (Dutch). Knowing this I would genetically be 50% native, in practise this would propably be less. The history in Suriname is pretty complex with a lot of black/asian slaves escaping the Dutch and fleeing into the rainforest knowing that they won't be chased. The indigenous people adopted a lot of the ex-slaves and they got fully integrated into the culture, as a consequence most indigenous people in Suriname are not 100% genetically indigenous. In my opinion all those people of mixed descent count as indigenous, because of their alliance to the culture and the people. It honestly saddens me that people in the US are denied their rights because of a DNA test when being indigenous means so much more in my opinion, much love and stay strong!♥

[@niiabladeyotu5514]

Soooooo true. Please stay strong. Prayers & blessings to you & yours.

[@bulldogsautomotiveadventur4387]

English, Irish, Dutch, German, Italian, French, Choctaw, and possibly Cherokee...so I'm American.

[@hanschouwman4536]

No you are a..... Yeah good question.

[@Bee-it8sx]

You’re European lol 😂

[@hhale]

"Mixed" ancestry. I have English, Irish, Scottish, Dutch, and Cherokee based on family history, at some point perhaps I'll take a DNA test and get the exact percentages. At this point I could be up to 20% or as little 5% Cherokee. Mom's side of the family had Cherokee members on both sides, dad's side has family traditions that there is some Cherokee blood, but nothing concrete. But even if I were 99% Cherokee I wouldn't claim to be that, since there has been any sort of tribal affiliation in many years. Like, you, I'm American. That's enough.

[@bulldogsautomotiveadventur4387]

What I identify myself as is "not quite white"

[@user-zy9yg2eu5t]

@@bulldogsautomotiveadventur4387 Identify yourself how you want, but Blacks are still gonna shout "hey yo! Get dat WHITE BWOY!" If you roll into the hood.

[@DarrenTheoret-n8j]

Canadian mutt (me) part: Mohawk, Innu, Miami, Ojibwa, Jewish, French, Italian, Irish, Scottish and Portuguese. I always say, "we never met people we didn't like" :) What percentage of what--I don't know or care. Makes for strong genes--We all live into our 90's on both sides.

[@plessis2023]

Best of America mutt genetic's!

[@VegaStar1010]

You are Métis like me. The percentage of European or Native ancestry that you claim to have doesn't matter just so long as you have them.

[@VegaStar1010]

@@El_Roy55 Nothing about me is American. I am Canadian and my earlier comment is correct.

[@lukasshajko4544]

Elizabeth Warren grinning like the Cheshire Cat right now

[@alecnolastname4362]

I thought that she would've been singing like pocahontas

[@lukasshajko4544]

Alec nolastname not mutually exclusive

[@Yafunnyco]

The difference is Elizabeth Warren used it to receive 400,000 to teach one class in college

[@alecnolastname4362]

@@Yafunnyco I wonder how much she charges to speak now. I mean really, thats half the reason someone would run for president.

[@stevereed2472]

My opinion, she isnt native American because she has no cultural connections to any tribes or first nation people

[@rickwrites2612]

People dont realize you get a random 50% of genes from ec parent, its not distributed proportionally. If your parent is 50% or less of something, there is a real chance you will get few to none of those gene markers. But you are still 25% that ethnicity by birth. This is why DNA is not used to determine ethnic ancestry, but rather geneology with historical documentation such as identification documents of specific people or Dawes rolls.

[@winxclubstellamusa]

Then what can be used to determine my complete ethnic composition?

[@bellememorie]

The US government requires Natives to be 25% and from a recognized tribe. Natives are the only race that has to provide a blood test to prove who you are. Some nations require blood quantum and others require ancestry like census documents, etc.

[@queenoftenthousandmoons8864]

​@@bellememorie The fact that this defacto government requires only one race of People to provide proof of ANYTHING is suspicious wonder why I know why because they were splicing and dicing with the genetics bringing Asians over here mixing them with Europeans to create a whole new Indian the $5 Indians just so they can keep the Native people that were already here the melinated natives at that time were forced fed the lie that they were all kidnapped from Africa and thrown on plantations and now known as African Americans a name made up by Jesse Jackson in the 90's who everybody knows if they don't already is one of there Agents to do there biddings for them

[@BVSLevel]

[This is why DNA is not used to determine ethnic ancestry] - Excellent point.

[@meritorioustechnate9455]

Facts, it becomes extremely complex once we start talking about our grandparents DNA. This is one of the many reasons why different races don’t exist amongst humans. Shows how closely related we are and have never technically evolved. Just mutated. Let’s not forget humans 2.0 (us) been around for 300, 000 plus years. We wiped out our other relatives. We’re the apex predators here. Always have been 🚬💀

[@xxxxxx9893]

Blood quantum can be a double edge sword sometimes. As a Native Hawaiian in order to qualify for homestead lands you have to be 50%. Unfortunately my people are a dying race, so they "blood" drops and becomes more rare to meet Hawaiians who are even 50%. Issues like these, regarding blood quantum, hinders and hurts a community as a whole as requirements such as these splits a native nation where BLOOD determines your native worth. Although blood quantum can protect the rights of Natives (due to outsiders trying to claim benefits) , it can cause damage and a sense of ostracizing too. Loved this video. ❤️❤️

[@jedheart8059]

Yes. The Blood Quantum is actually meant to divide people from their own family. My 100% Ilocano Tribe grandpa married my Trail of Tears Scots Irish Cherokee grandma. Well, in my grandfather's tribe in the Philippines, I am Ilocano. There is no %. As long as I am my father's child, all my thousands of cousins are my cousins. Every single relative born with my Ilocano surname is a clan member. This quantum carp is for slaves, oppressed and suppressed peoples. My Ilocano ancestors fought a guerilla war for 400 with Spain, 10 years with the US to prevent them colonizing too. My grandfather came as an Immigrant Worker. He sent money to his sister in the Philippines to life our extended family our of poverty. If the US and Treaties signed by the Cherokee, and Chippewa since I also Chippewa too, does not recognize their bloodlines, they are losing out on millions of US citizens who would prefer to be accepted. It makes all the difference in this world. When children are separated from their families as happened when my grandma's Grandma and Great Grandparents were forced to do when they walked that walk, it effected everyone. I did not even know I was Cherokee until I turned twelve. My grandmother and father took me to a bedroom at my grandparents house. They explained to me that I was Cherokee. They did not explain why grandma never told me about it before that. When I went to the Philippines with my grandparents, after being there a month, I told my grandma, "I finally feel like I am part of a tribe. I never felt accepted and now I do " imagine all the kids who feel isolated today because they do not know their own family tree, history and never met their grandparents, great aunts and uncles and 3-5th cousins. I grew up with my huge extended extended family on both sides of my tree. My other side are Mayflower and original Colonials having arrived over 400 years ago. But most of the Native tribes also have Colonial ancestors like I do. The Trail of Tears us all about forcing Half Breeds and their children off the land. US wanted to tax the Half Breeds and not give them their fair share of land guaranteed by Treaties. For those who have researched like myself, my Great Great Great Grandmother wrote the Indian Bureau of Affairs several times. She filed the application. After hearing nothing, she wrote letters. But she like most, could not read nor write English. She paid a translator. All the documents demonstrate that Indians as they called them, all had to have legal representation to certify their affidavits and applications. So, I found that my Cherokee Reed surname ancestor kept getting filed into a Reese woman's file. Imagine it. You cannot read nor write English. You pay someone to type up what you tell them. Then, that gets sent to an agency of the government. You think you did everything right but you get rejected because your file was filed under another person's surname. In the records, people had to have a witness to identify them. People who has witnesses were rejected. If you spent a lot of time searching and researching, you can see the heartbreak, the losses of identity. This nation owes every single descendant the rights to their ancestry. My Trail of Tears Cherokee was born on a home with a dirt floor. That's what Dirt Poor means. That's what happened to people who were forced off their lands and torn from their roots, family heritage. The only thing worse is the genocide. Genocide is a reality and this nation should be opening that worm hole. It's overdue.

[@Jay-wp2nw]

You would also be pissed if thousands of people said they were Hawaiian while blatantly being of another ethnicity so there’s really no other way of making it fair....

[@Blueshiso]

Yes, I see it as a way for the state to just wait until no Hawaiians are "pure enough", and take the rest of the land.

[@coolgirlfrozenfeet]

It’s almost like they’re trying to get people in an uproar against one another.

[@Blueshiso]

@@coolgirlfrozenfeet it's the usual practice for killing a culture and assimilating their people.

[@leedoc8960]

I'm full bloodied Apache. One of the last tribes to surrender to the government. Our people have been here before the land bridge crossing, the modern history books don't want to explain.

[@the_Kurgan]

Well, it would be impossible for history to explain prehistory.

[@Euphrates333]

Facts. My family is the same

[@Euphrates333]

@@the_Kurganit’s not impossible as we have explored pre ancient history and ancient across other continents.. it’s not impossible for North America! It’s controlled history, period

[@the_Kurgan]

@Euphrates333 Prehistory might be partially explained by archeolog, linguistics, and genetics. Possibly some other sciences. But not by history.

[@Euphrates333]

@@the_Kurgan which all falls under history. Human history which as a social anthropologist it falls under. Many disciplines fall under anthropology and history is one of them. It’s a collection of disciplines that tells tells our past, present which contributes to our future. It’s not one discipline but a multitude.

[@hannahthrossell4642]

Omg Joe!!! Come on! There are so many competent Indigenous people you could interview. There’s American Indian studies, NATIVE scholars, tribal leaders, fucking A you could even interview me. I’m 1/2 Navajo, 1/4 Tohono O’odham, 1/4 Pima.

[@theanonymoushelpline7248]

🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽

[@OfficialDJTasawennateken]

Anybody who claims they're a bunch of Native American tribes all in one is a liar I'm sorry but you're lying and you're racist you're only saying these things you're saying because she looks White typical of racist like you to make stupid comments like you did

[@ElSings]

@@OfficialDJTasawennateken typical of a white person like you who can’t speak English to say that because you don’t actually think you have implicit bias and racist thoughts either🙄🙄🙄hon, the people who most often have racist thoughts and don’t realize it or choose not to realise it are the ones who blame others for it when it’s not racist, or who deny being racist... look up racism and human psychology. Your just throwing names, hon.

[@dabomb7538]

Aóó

[@meaux5605]

@@ElSings he has a point there is no way that you could be more than like 2 or so groups of Indian if your are like 4 or 5 that wouldn't be accurate because they never really interacted like that

[@mikonda]

Absolutely nobody starts looking for your feathers when you say “I’m American Indian”. She lost me from the beginning.

[@zorezakbar9892]

Not a single person on earth does that?

[@kenuprotada8048]

Yes they do lmao

[@Zombie1Boy]

My full-blooded native friend told me he knew I was native despite me being a mutt (half white half native). Said all you need to look for is the high cheek bones, dark hair and scrubby chin strap every native tries to grow, lol.

[@shusukeueno6006]

agreed

[@susanfudge1737]

I know. I'm wondering which casino she part owns.

[@brett8754]

I’m getting Elizabeth Warren vibes here

[@trevormichaud8701]

bruh WHO THE FUCK is elizabeth warren?

[@sJd9579]

I'm getting them too a little bit, although she seems more knowledgeable. The weird thing for me is the few native Americans I've met refer to themselves as "native" or "indigenous" despite the whole legal term thing. She says Indian a lot so that's a bit off, to me at least.

[@brett8754]

sJd9579 this is the most civil conversation I’ve ever had on KZbin

[@herbthompson8937]

@@sJd9579 most Indians are too busy with their regular lives to complain about what they're being called.

[@sJd9579]

@@herbthompson8937 I bet those are the same ones that don't care about The Washington Redskins, Cleveland Indians, or the fact firearm manufacturer Savage's logo is also a Native American. Smh.

[@berserkerkonge8095]

I'm an old man. In my entire life, never ever did anyone think Indians are wearing feathers and have brown skin.😂 self racist.

[@ppbaby01]

Looked up my ancestry. My grandmother and her siblings were always clear about where they came from and who they were and passed the info down to all of their children and grands. They were always clear to us about them being indigenous and who their father and grandfather were and where they were born. When i looked it up myself it confirmed to me her stories were true. My great great grandfather is santee indian. Born in santee, south carolina. I never doubted her stories but growing up telling people my ancestry it was common for them to laugh and say no your not. So naturally; constantly having that reaction, I began questioning who I really was. Which was a big mistake. Because my grandmother never lied. Just because you dont fit people's stereotypical view doesnt mean that you are not who you say you are.

[@christopherheadrick8410]

Maybe if you had brandish a skinning knife and to take their scalp they might have believed you 😊

[@overkill1025]

Meanwhile black Americans are claiming that native Americans were black and that they are the descendents of the natives, not from slaves and that the people claiming to be indigenous are mistaken Europeans

[@kcck7588]

Well realistically, after generations of breeding outside of your race, you lose a lot of your native blood so depending on your amount of blood that is linked to your native ancestors, depends if you are “native” or not

[@Bewefau]

go by what you are mostly blood wise. I have more Native in my left nut than you have in your whole body

[@Bewefau]

@@christopherheadrick8410 whittie did that not Natives.

[@anthonywandowicz8084]

She is saying blood doesnt indicate being native. That's because she doesnt have much

[@The907g]

1/8th is all you need to be accepted in most tribes. leads to a lot of light skins, they're still family tho

[@Aaron_leonard]

It can also depend on what parent is native if your half indian

[@username-ds6kf]

I have a little over 20 percent and I'm really pail but I also have a lot of Welch so pigment isn't everything

[@RaffineDebauche]

And your comment means you’re a White person that thinks their standards apply to everyone. Surprise surprise.

[@gunnarelisigurjonsson2587]

We are all native to earth... The labels are why we can't evolve

[@henryford4522]

“Everybody want to be indian” says the European lady claiming to be Indian 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@gabrielbritovieira9933]

native ???? european???? SHE IS A JEWISH WOMAN... ITS ALL OVER HER FACE..

[@Sigmanovar]

@Heywood JM ummm,they're still a ton of natives who still look like that,and they mostly come from spanish speaking countries.......

[@damonrobles149]

Heywood JM some for sure but idk about her she has the jawline and the lower half of the face but the rest of her face just screams European

[@hunterkai6772]

@Heywood JM you called people expecting an Indian to look like an Indian idiots then go "ummmmmm so. Your point is" when it gets pointed out that natives do in fact look like natives (makes you look ignorant). also I live in a heavily native populated area in Canada and guess what, you can tell who has native in them just by looking, just like you can tell who has Asian or Mexican. This lady has very very very little native in her. She might as well promote herself as Japanese, it would be just as believable

[@djw2838]

Real natives looking at this pale face, $5 Indian, saying what the fuck!!!

[@ursulasampson9836]

my dad is Swinomish and my mom is Nez Perce...I'm enrolled in Swinomish tribe...love my people...love my culture...

[@LuisRamos-gh6nj]

Joe - “what’s your percentage?” Her- let’s talk about potatoes

[@supernatural5354]

Shut up Ramos.

[@logicallion2196]

@@supernatural5354 Y U MADBRO?

[@supernatural5354]

@@logicallion2196 Why you can't spell ma'am?

[@supernatural5354]

@Paul Smith Why you didn't spell correctly?

[@supernatural5354]

@Paul Smith I could tell you but no.

[@jvon3885]

My grandmother was full blood. I'm Native/German. I consider myself the most conflicted man on earth. My Grandmother was a very well established artist throughout Colorado, New Mexico and Oklahoma. But she refused to take a govt check, and, she hated taking pictures. Said it robbed her of pieces of her spirit......miss that woman. She died a starving artist, but lived like she was wealthy beyond belief.

[@rodrigolara6733]

That is a bit ridiculous in my opinion. Many Mexicans are mixed race and that doesn’t mean they need to follow the customs of their ancestors nor of Europeans. You should know a lot of those religions are made up. Even some native tribes in Mexico have so traditions like a pagan ritual but with Catholic saints. It is basically not the same as it was before the conquest. Sure it is beautiful to keep a certain tradition but one should have an idea of what they truly believe in and what is important to them. If you are that unsure maybe look to science and it may help you decipher what is spiritual and what is just made up.

[@jvon3885]

@@rodrigolara6733 what are you going on about? If it's about the conflicted part that was just a joke and I'm not going to tell anyone they can't worship whatever they worship as I'm not them and it's really none of my business.

[@D0nnyy]

Lol this is pathetic

[@jvon3885]

@@D0nnyy and?

[@smlapointe2003]

No Govt checks were given. What tribe you from?

[@saintvault13]

This whole conversation can be summed up by "sorry I'm a lawyer".

[@fhlostonparaphrase]

Drop the "sorry" part.

[@jessecaldwell4195]

Really ? The whole conversation huh ?

[@Harshharsh111]

Sorry, I’m a lawyer too, it alludes to acknowledgement of her authority in this matter, I say it and has nothing to do with my ego or being proud or feeling superior , it is to show the person in front of me that I’m fully aware of the matter thus I can polity interject

[@factsondeck1552]

Right

[@CohenimLabanim]

Lawyer or portion of colonial uk corporation.

[@chaosad9754]

The tribes push for a certain percentage of indian, they don't want to give benefits away to someone whose great great uncle was 10% indian. She's less native indian than anything else, but wants to uang onto that part of her heritage above all. Just be a person and live life as you are.

[@danielstevens3026]

Yeah should have interviewed another native. She just bombed it for us 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️

[@waterloo001mendoza7]

She isn't native. Shes a white woman

[@danielstevens3026]

Smh she just bombed, bottom line. Lol

[@amorgan5844]

Not only did her ancestors steal your land she is now stealing your heritage and culture. She has 0 percent native blood in her.

[@danielstevens3026]

Joe needs to do a REDO

[@TheLukieBoi1]

@@amorgan5844 Steal? Nah. They conquered them, for the most part. Something people of all colors have been doing to each other since the dawn of time. Indian tribes did it to each other, just turned out the english had better weapons and greater numbers.

[@jasonnanonka11]

A lot of tribes 100% don’t get any $ @ all...so we work like everyone else.

[@CallOfApache]

I dont get shit from the apache tribe I'm apart of haha , white people who claim Cherokee get more money than I do , and get everything paid for by their tribe

[@shatstevens7307]

Reymatik Beatz I’m just saying some white people that claim Cherokee are in fact Cherokee, I have black hair, can’t grow body hair or facial hair, high cheek bones a lot of features that are generally native for Cherokees. My great grandpa was born in 1886. The reason a lot of people don’t know truly where the Cherokee branch comes from. Is because the confederacy and union of the civil war FORCED or tricked native ancestors to fight (mainly for the south) by moving their reservations and promising land. Hence they got free frontline fighters.... Not sure where the Apaches are located but that could be a reason there is more confusion among Cherokees. Because Apaches weren’t depleted by the worst war in America’s history. I do think we owe all natives of this country free top notch education and a free house period.

[@Saul1913]

@@shatstevens7307 there's also many white folk that are clearly fake natives that take advantage of certain situations such as the northern cherokee nation and bill buel from Louisiana

[@smokeyriver7757]

Facts

[@uBpGK]

Lol us Navajos got money but our government officials embezzled most of it for a long time we got some “cool” basketball courts but our roads are still shit xD

[@corinnesalazar2720]

My grandma is 100% “Native American” but nearly everyone on their settlement uses the term Indian.. just to clarify for everyone debating this lol

[@deborahyoung1873]

I am 43% NA and can't stand being called Indian. I am not nor were my ancestors from India!

[@corinnesalazar2720]

@@deborahyoung1873 I like using the term native or indigenous also but they often refer to natives as American Indians, I never understood lol

[@corinnesalazar2720]

@Caroline HoldnLine I think in the purest form Indian does mean an individual from India, Columbus believed he was on the Indus River somewhere in South Asia (opposed to North America) and started calling all the indigenous people of NA “Indians” and the name stuck with them

[@danielaaguilar6330]

Some native Americans prefer native, some indigenous some Indians, because they are different people

[@weezycobain]

Indians are from India🇮🇳 . Only controversial to idiots that are defensive to about their ignorance. I’m not Indian. Eat shit.

[@Mojo19692]

I'm Blackfoot and Cherokee Indian proud of it !!! 🔥🇺🇸💯 1 St Nation !!!

[@elizabethstops2362]

Sounds like you're probably black ⚫️ 🤔

[@David-r8k3u]

You better not have blonde hair and blue eyes

[@BI-11y_TheStormTrooper]

Same. Only about 36% tho . I have green eyes tho , dark brown hair. My mother was half Cherokee and black foot, my grandfather on my dad's side was half Cherokee. I was there when my great-grandmother passed, she was full blooded Cherokee and wore a head dress on her death bed .

[@barbie5697]

@@David-r8k3uI am 37% Blackfoot. My paternal grandmother was pure, married a Swede … my mom is German - Blackfoot - Norwegian… I have blonde hair, blue eyes and very fair-skinned. 🤷🏼‍♀️😂

[@dragonwolf1512]

She's going off appearance to say that she is an Indian/Native American. When asked for deeper proof such as your DNA, and to what percentage of Indian/Native American she is she goes off tangent. She may just be culturally Indian, though she may not be traditionally culturally Indian as well as DNA Indian. p.s. DNA matters it speaks volumes about your actual biological history.

[@markd5727]

Yeah well when these ancestral dna test companies finally start adding in dna samples from Tribes of the Eastcoast as they do for the Western Tribes then Dna will matter more to us out east. Pretty obvious to see the corruption going on.

[@foodank_atr817]

At 1:47 she stated she was Polish and Choctaw.. "Something like" half and half.

[@FatalPixels]

@@foodank_atr817 She claims half and half but doesn't mention any of the lineage, seems sus.

[@graceleiper9198]

She doesn't look even the tiniest bit Native American, and she immediately got so defensive about that, when he didn't even mention it. I would have thought she was European, with 0% Native American, or very close to it. She looks like Mother Gothel, from Tangled. 🤷‍♀️

[@thecia9498]

@@graceleiper9198 When europeans mate with native americans you can very clearly tell. The people will still have native features. I'm Latino and I still have black hair, tan skin, and the like. I don't look very European at all, as is the case with most of latin America. Mestizos don't look anything like this lady. She may a quarter native at the most but I'd even doubt that because she has no indicators at all.

[@GhostOfArtBell0935]

Same deal in NZ: the most radical and vocal about identity among the 'Maori' today have a droplet of Maori blood. "Te Kahurangiwhakawhotaha ...Smith."

[@1998-c3q]

Facts!

[@MrShiftey13]

Thank you!

[@jillob6291]

Love NZ, kiwis are sound :)

[@1998-c3q]

This is off topic but if you study fine arts................ oh boy identity politics (and general) is everywhere to the point you are forced to make post colonial art.

[@RockerfellerRothchild1776]

@@1998-c3q 2021 .. "facts" is cringe. Also.... I don't think you know what "facts" means smh

[@amynazza]

My sister in law is Peruvian, her grandmother was full-blooded Quechuan and didn't speak Spanish. Her mother spoke both languages. My sister in law's ancestry results show something like 60% Native American! So the 'native' really applies to the Americas of the western hemisphere....not just indian tribes of the USA territories.

[@hakapeszimaki8369]

Native means people who lived in Americas before colonisation. The mixed blooded people are not native, not pure. Unfortunately it is a well planned agenda to assimilate and lost the dna purity and language and the connection to indigenous culture.

[@tyronebriggs5721]

Yea all north and South America a DNA test will only show “Native American” that includes the Caribbean natives as well. I’m half Puerto Rican half Peruvian. But when I did my DNA test I can’t know how much Taino I have or Inca or w e. I’m just 40% indigenous American more of that is probably from Peru because I have 15% black I’m certain that’s all Puerto Rican.

[@AngieLolaPagan]

I am dying to do mine ! I am also Puerto Rican .

[@williammilestone5386]

@@tyronebriggs5721has anyone ever hid your welfare check in your work boots to see how long it would take you to find it - or is that just a myth?

[@aliciawoodson8012]

Ancestry separates out indigenous ancestry by continent. You have many indigenous americas ethnicity. IA-North IA-Mexican IA-Puerto Rico IA-Yucatán IA-Cuba, etc. the list goes on.

[@magusat999]

5 dollar indian. Her family came her poor and became indian to take advantage of reparations. It only costed 5 dollars, hence the term "5 dollar indian".

[@JonDoeNeace]

Where's your evidence? 😂

[@JonDoeNeace]

Because you made that up.

[@Mike-i1t7h]

What reparations? The tribes that receive money doesn't come from the United States federal government, or at least in my case my statement is true

[@deana8202]

I'm a nurse and my great grandmother was Choctaw. Her family was removed from Mississippi. I was taking care of an old man and he asked me what tribe I was from. It shocked me b/c I don't feel like I look native American. I said Choctaw. He told me he was Choctaw and said native people knew who were native. I have brown hair hazel eyes and freckles.

[@aharsn6854]

What race do you identify with?

[@KenziVlogz369]

Yes but it was course hair . MY Genealogy traces me back to Choctaw so that’s interesting

[@zaywilliamson8347]

Choctaw as well, my folks come from the Louisiana/Mississippi area. Chief Elwin Warhorse says most of us don’t know we are the copper colored Indians the invaders came in contact with. .

[@rondasmith2950]

The very same thing happened to me in a discount store years ago. I too have hazel eyes brown/brunette hair, and freckles!! The elderly man asked me what tribe I was from,! I was shocked but told him my great grandma was full Cherokee! his reply was you are your greatmothers she lives in you, it is easy to seeing in your features. My husband was fully surprised as was I. The elderly man said a blessing over me that day. It was an amazing experience which I will always feel blessed by. I told my mom and grandmother later, and my grandmother told me he was a wise sighted man.

[@beastshawnee]

yep we can often see it where others miss it. I asked a guy last weekend what nation he was and he was surprised I could tell-LOL. He was Oneida-far from his people’s land tho.

[@MacBhloscaidh1]

Clearly a lot of Irish heritage there

[@mr.w.146]

At least she's not drunk, but it is St. Paddy's day and it's early yet.

[@ActualHumanPerson]

Hey we Irish are a proud people.

[@manthing351]

She said she’s Polish?

[@jazzerson7087]

@@axeman7509-tf2kf Canas 'tá tú?

[@LouisianaAstroRambler]

@@manthing351 I think he was being sarcastic about Joe being Irish lol..

[@heidideaton6467]

I am reading the story about the Parkers. My mother’s maiden name is Parker. Both her parents were part Native American. So, I am Norwegian, Scottish, Irish and Native American. I know my grandfather is from the Paiute tribe. My grandmother we still don’t know. She never spoke of it. I actually met someone I worked with that is related to the actual Parker clan that Joe Rogan is talking about. Such an interesting story and very violent one.

[@elizabethstops2362]

You didn't grow up Indian nor is it the culture you grew up in. You probably grew up as white and have lived that way.

[@heidideaton6467]

@@elizabethstops2362 I was just replying to the story of it being interesting. I do not say I grew up Indian. Strange of you to point this out. Not sure what your point is. If you want to point out my life is or was easy, it wasn’t. We all have our burdens. So don’t assume something of someone if you don’t know them.

[@soulassassin0g]

Joe: "What percentage (of native american) are you?" Shannon: "Yes."

[@morganatchison]

@@burrito528 yeah

[@AveGoddess]

It depends on your blood quantum of how much Native blood you have for any given Tribe to be an Enrolled Member of that Tribe. Like My dad is Hualapia & Havasupia from the Grand Canyon. Havasupia is basically a "band" of Hualapia that live Down In the Canyon, & Hualapia live on the Western Rim of the Grand Canyon. My mom is Western Shoshone/Goshute from Utah/Nevada. My enrolled tribe is with my mom's tribe (Goshute) & my blood quantum for Goshute is 1/4. Goshute is a "Band" of Shoshone, so basically im half Western Shoshone & half Hualapia. The blood quantum percentage keeps getting smaller and smaller for tribal members if the person/persons have offspring outside of the tribe. And due to geographical locations of some Reservations, some tribal members whom might have a higher blood quantum of a specific tribe, May be the result of inbreeding/incest with a distant relative. That's just "Rez Life" (No Judgment). When you take in the account of blood percentage of each tribe a person is, it'll depend on the size of the tribe (how many tribal members?), how diluted the blood quantum will be from generation to generation. Having kids with Other Tribe's or with Non-"indians", dwindles the blood quantum even more with each passing generation (unless you're incest?). ....I could be wrong with that of tribe's with higher population? But I grew up in a tribe with a smaller population. I Wonder🤔? What is the blood relation's like with higher density tribal populations? If it will Grow? Or if the blood quantum will continue to dwindle? ...not that it really matters or anything because Human is Human, right? ...the U.S. Government is just trying to keep tabs on the Natives Population to see if they will succeed in the Genocided they set out to accomplish? Or not.? Time and generations will tell... #SAVAGE🦅

[@josephstorm6093]

@@anthonydevere2174 of what?

[@MercyAlwyz23]

She must be really low 😅

[@halifaxx55]

That's actually not a question a white person should ask.

[@ivanme6217]

Joe: "so what percentage are you?" Shannon: "dodge 💯"

[@trevormichaud8701]

lol trust she did dodge that, i don't think she's native AT ALL.

[@trevormichaud8701]

But do you honestly believe her? ^^ her skin is pale asf, her first name is SHANNON, and her last name is an irish name... and the fact that she ducked that question just made me even more skeptical of her "heritage"

[@LuisRodriguez-gt9hx]

@@PlzPr3sspl4y Did you watch the full clip? 1:48 Shannon: I'm Polish and Choctaw. Joe: So half and half? Shannon: Something like that. Yeah.

[@LuisRodriguez-gt9hx]

@@PlzPr3sspl4y Um, no. You said that she said it. She did not, Joe assumed it and she did not correct him. You're still wrong!

[@LuisRodriguez-gt9hx]

@@PlzPr3sspl4y Read i am me's post again. You're still wrong.

[@mandc20022]

She said everybody wants to be Indian including her

[@tommiebrooks8573]

Yep!!! She knows what time it is!

[@madelainepetrin1430]

I don't want to be Native! Gee they never invented the wheel.

[@madelainepetrin1430]

@@lynncarey7408 considering that the wheel was invented thousands of years ago by many people, it shows how behind the times and disconnected from civilization they were. Wheels are used in construction, pulleys, etc . Oh and they hadn't invented pots for cooking either.

[@madelainepetrin1430]

@@lynncarey7408 not putting them down, seeing differences. Yes disconnected from civilization, they had no contacts with people who could read, had books, made wine or any alcohol, architecture, navigation, clocks, simple tools of any kind (to build things not to kill), complex languages, (a European could learn 3 native tongues in one winter). Their word count is about 200 to 1000 versus 10,000 to 25,000 in Europe. I have studied quite a bit about the natives of North America in the 1600s. You can say they had no need of any of it and I agree.

[@madelainepetrin1430]

@Jesse Caldwell They invented botany, astronomy, geometry? Having no paper or written language to record anything, where is the proof of that? They couldn't cook their food properly (no metal pots!!!) They made those in the iron age everywhere else in the world. We know they died young and had low fertility rates as attested by writers in 1665. We also know they were constantly at war with each other, that their language was simple with very few words. They didn't need a large vocabulary, tools, etc bc of their simple lifestyle. You might admire this and wish to live like this, you wouldn't be the first to do so. But you can't change the facts that they were far behind the rest of he world, especially Europe, Asia and the Middle East.

[@lindaamelung145]

1:55 Which tribe? I'm Choctaw too! Southern Mississippi here! My tribe migrated to the Bayous and the Piney Woods of East Texas. My ancestor is Jordan Taylor. He married Saphina.

[@idontcare8405]

This entire word salad she gave us is a cope for the fact she’s like 5%.

[@surferxblood]

And that 5% is Mexican lolz 😂

[@peoplez129]

@@surferxblood And Mexican is just Spanish settlers mixed with S. American natives.

[@DMcKENZIEMUZIK]

@@peoplez129 that was first black, what a chain

[@enriquegonzales8186]

@@DMcKENZIEMUZIK Black? Is any brown skinned person now considered black? Like the Arabs or people from India? You people are so confused I swear.

[@Rayzorbladez]

@@enriquegonzales8186 what do you mean "you people"?

[@JJones-cl4dm]

She's acting like she's one gazillionth Native American and doesn't want ppl to know

[@ThePhantomCreature]

Why does this blood quantum only come up with Native Americans? People always want to know what percentage. Does an African American have to be BLACK or do light skinned African Americans have to answer “but what percentage are you really?”

[@michaelkinville177]

How the fuck is she supposed to act?

[@uncleleroyshoodoocorner8113]

I never seen a woman dance around a question like she did lmao

[@johncantu6316]

'something like that' .... lol

[@chaoswarriorbr]

If she was actually Native-American she would be drumming to have a beat to the dance around. There shouldn't be any special rights or benefits to any group of people, just because of some characteristics, origins and such independently of their culture heritage, ethnicity or whatever. Equal rights should mean EQUAL!

[@tikolopez8884]

@@chaoswarriorbr and there we go with racist dancing around to the drum beat crap. Yes, it would be really nice if we could all be equal with equal rights, but this isn't Utopia or Heaven. Things stopped being equal the moment immigrants came from who the fuck cares and decided they should take the land from the people who were already there. Maybe we should have built a wall. No, we helped them. We fed them. We taught them to survive on this land. What did we get ? Death and destruction. So forget your kumbaya fantasy of equal.

[@Cdubp01]

Tiko Lopez We? Who the fuck is we-YOU didn’t do jack shit. You were born into these times just like I was. Get the fuck over your victim mentality.

[@johncantu6316]

Cdubp01 YOU are EXACTLY RIGHT! WE live in the HERE and NOW ... it ALL ENDS right there .... and it ALL STARTS right there ... MAKE this life what you will .... when you dwell on the past - you are only loading yourself up to carry a mental burden that's not yours to carry ... just like the blame isn't the European ancestry within you either ... ALL we have is NOW ... not necessarily 'you' - but figuratively

[@jessegerard5752]

The problem with DNA testing is high cheekbones doesn't make you not European.

[@chrisoleary9876]

The Chocktaw Nation were one of the few people(s) to help the starving Irish during An Gorta Mór. (The so called famine, it was genocide.) There is a Memorial in County Cork called "Kindred Spirits."

[@alwaysyouramanda]

Imagine if the natives had just let them die.

[@chrisoleary9876]

@@alwaysyouramanda You mean like everyone else did!?

[@chelsea9493]

My dad is a huge part of the Metis community in Canada. I'm part Chocktaw, Cree, Cherokee, Irish and French at some point we all broke bread and potatoes. We love our Irish brothers

[@chrisoleary9876]

@@SmashinAdams Well, the Monument IS in Midleton, County Cork, Ireland, AND, the event DID OCCUR, so your personal gripe with The Choctaw Nation is YOUR problem. Thank you. BTW, your Luke Ward (more like Luke warm) Conerly story is also dubious. Brush up on your research.

[@chrisoleary9876]

@@chelsea9493 Is brea linn tu freisin! We love you too!

[@H3RU_X]

Rachel Dolzeal: This MF'er spittin'

[@TheJDeuce]

LMFAO

[@sJd9579]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@blackty3477]

Exactly

[@vsperatos]

😂😂😂

[@kinstereo7292]

Dead

[@rampant_1644]

Uncle Sam used his usually M.O. when they determined that to qualify for Hawaiian homestead land we had to have 50% Hawaiian blood as proven by parents and grandparents. Given over time, through mixed marriages, that 50% blood will be diluted to zero overtime. So, they just have to wait it out until we are extinct.

[@josephgarner9767]

Basically the same with all resources the government will get back ur land n house after all of ur family dies. Even if u outright own land the gov is just biding their time

[@reportedstolen3603]

Damn 😑 ..that’s evil genius right there

[@Breezy-jq6hq]

Yep. 90% of Native Hawaiians are multi-racial. My father was born in Japan. His birth certificate doesn't give his race and therefore the government says he's not Native Hawaiian. Fun game. Meanwhile, plenty of fifth generation Japanese Americans, Filipino, and Portuguese (aka European Whites) walk around Hawai'i with an attitude, calling themselves 'local,' looking down on actual Native Hawaiians.

[@brawndothethirstmutilator9848]

Exactly. The purpose of “blood quantum” is to place the community into perpetual numerical decline, ensuring our eventual disappearance.

[@richardringer9028]

This lady is spot on. We need more advocates like her.

[@foxhollerhomestead]

This is very ironic for me. My entire life I was raised native from Iroquois nation, Traditional dancer, Singer, spoke the language as well as traditions etc. etc. I always questioned it because I have exceptionally Blue eyes and blond hair. Long story short at 45 years old I get a DNA test...53% German, as well as Scandinavian and Irish!! This was something that was very hard for me to except especially since this is how I was brought up my entire life. I was very proud to be native and in a lot of senses had to fight for the right to be native because this is what I was always told by my family! I learned so many lessons in my life and it helped me in so many ways Only to have my world crash in the end. I have since studied and researched a lot about my true family ancestry in consideration to Germanic and Viking influences as well as Irish and the struggles that they all have overcome to give me the life that I live now. In so many ways I am honored and proud but again ironically in this time and age... i’m just looked at as another racist white boy...

[@kathykardashian7750]

The vast majority of whites are not racist. That is a terrible thing the left has put on us just to get votes. Don't let them do that to you.

[@foxhollerhomestead]

@@kathykardashian7750 i completely agree!! And thank u

[@Myexperience-opinion]

Beware of DNA tests! The outcome depends totally on the computer program they run over the results. If it helps any, there isn’t anything like a “German race”. Half of Europe and Asia left their Mark (genes) on its people. The Nazis tried to find proof of a “German race”. All they found was 52 distinct ethnic groups even back then. The only colour that counts is the colour of your heart.

[@foxhollerhomestead]

@@Myexperience-opinion “The only color that counts is the color of your heart” love that and thank you!!

[@jameslafontaine5557]

The ancestry dna tests are a scam. They are not accurate at all. Dont define your identity by the outcome. Look into it they are completely fake.

[@Cali714fornia]

She dodged that “how native are you?” Question fast as lightning.

[@cheekytitaable]

She’s full of it

[@forsakennihilist4524]

How'd she dodge it she made a point and then answered the question

[@mknight7098]

Yeah and if she was really close to her roots then she would know that they never refer to themselves as “Indians”. Native Americans call themselves Native Americans. And if you call a Native American Indian that is offensive and you will get shut down. **All Im saying is be careful and ask an indigenous person how they would like to be referred to. Probably shouldnt just go around calling Native people Indians. Unless you know thats what they prefer.

[@SmittyWerbenJagermannJensen]

@@mknight7098 that’s not even close to true. Many people use the term Indian and not all people are in full agreement on the term Native American, since you know, Native doesn’t mean what you think it means and America is stolen land. White people decided Indian was offensive, (after basically forcing the label on people), then came up with Native American with almost no one’s approval. It’s like when white people say black is offensive and African-American is the accepted label. Well it isn’t.

[@ImGairBair]

@@mknight7098 nope. I worked with the Choctaw tribe for a year. They call themselves Indians and are offended if you call them Native Americans

[@HaveAGreatDay54]

If any recorded evidence is ever found of 'Native American' ancestors moving to America from anywhere else in the world, Native Americans would lose their native status by definition. Fossil records prove that the 'Clovis' people were here before 'Native Americans'. DNA records prove overwhelmingly that most 'Native American' tribes originate in Asia and migrated here as immigrants most likely fleeing devastation in their homeland. Sounds eerily familiar to the southern border thing going on right now. My question has always been: What happened to the Clovis people? They went on for thousands of years hunting mammoths until they suddenly disappeared about the same time Asian DNA started showing up on American soil. Well, at least there is a good written record for when the 'white' man arrived whose native heritage had already been erased 10 times over. One thing that we all share in common is our Neanderthal DNA. Fossil records indicate that Neanderthal's were cannibalistic. They hunted homo sapiens and used our females as breeding vessels until they, themselves went extinct, leaving stronger, faster, and more intelligent Homo Sapien Neanderthal hybrids to the future. We all come from a cruel heritage. It is up to us to shed the differences that time has put between us. I guess what I am saying is, it is time to invade another world and assert ourselves as natives there. It is kind of our thing.

[@ochoatv567]

For hundreds of thousands of years Native Americans were brown so don't feel bad if someones thinks you're white

[@donfillinger3571]

"What percentage?" "That's..." "Racist?" **shpeal about Indians and racism** "So like half and half?" "Something like that."

[@xeokym223]

But if someone says they're German or Irish or something, no one ever asks _"what percentage?"_

[@xFYCNxTR4G3DY]

Most on the east coast say percentage. So many half and half

[@donfillinger3571]

@@xeokym223 yes they do.

[@xeokym223]

@@xFYCNxTR4G3DY what?

[@cassyvorster466]

My mom is of British descent and my dad is Afrikaans. I can relate to the issue. Historically the two groups were always at odds. Love to the Native American people from South Africa

[@BrodyPeterson-p1i]

United Nations Declaration on the rights of Indigenous Peoples. There is no argument anymore. People will hate, ignore and move on. My own mother one time didn't believe I was native, even though my father is Cree. She called my Aunty on the Rez one time to ask her if I was Metis, in order to verify I was a liar or not, even though she and my father have no French heritage...if you can believe it, My Aunty told her "of course not"...my own mother doesn't believe what she created. I am Grand son of Elder Chief Jim Tobacco of Mosakahiken Cree Nation and second mother grandson of Hazel Peterson (Perry) of Opaskwayak Cree Nation, which is where both my mother and myself were born...

[@wreckingtestes2885]

Bruce Lee’s grandfather was German, Bruce doesn’t claim German. What makes this any different?

[@submit56789]

That's why he was so good looking and western looking... Jacky chan had plastic surgery to shrink his nose and try and look more like Bruce Lee and less Chinese

[@regulusmine2336]

Mohammed Ali's grandfather was Irish.

[@Spursmelo]

@@submit56789 so many things wrong with this statement

[@submit56789]

@@Spursmelo it's the truth, though. Chan was given plastic surgery in his 20s after some success with his first drunken master movie. It's interesting the history of things.... I see lots of reemerging patterns in history.

[@submit56789]

@@regulusmine2336 boxing... Makes perfect sense

[@johndodson8464]

Polish and Choctaw. Everytime she goes to a polka dance it rains.

[@hiphop666]

Perfect

[@aaronkeener5559]

😭😂

[@merkursderverdson5984]

LMAO! You won the internet today.

[@heyitsnasira]

Deep cut, I love it.

[@erasedfromgenepool.4845]

Lmao. Good one..

[@rakijr9176]

This woman looks more jewish than native

[@youngdylan5083]

John Truxal loada bullshit

[@jaykefleury2279]

Im Jewish, don't lump the bitch on us!!

[@stevenobrien557]

I have them refer to themselves as "polish" before.

[@youngdylan5083]

John Truxal good one you spunk converter lol

[@juztenable]

Lies of a flim flam man.

[@ruthcrawford3015]

The story I grew up with is this: A little Indian girl (around 4 yrs old) was found wandering alone, after an uprising between Indians and settlers. She was delivered to the Fort Sill Indian rez. She grew up and had 3 daughters, and one is my Grandmother. My Grandma lived on the rez until age 15, when he married a TX Cowboy and had 7 children, One of which is my Dad. Dad had 5 kids, (I was born in OK) none of us show any 'Indian" DNA, but a bit of 'un-known" in the mix. Also interesting, I was told all kinds of Indians were 'dumped" in Fort Sill, but the first bunch were Kiowa, and they adopted most all of the new-comers...so they blended into one tribe. That's my family's story. I did see a document at one time, saying that my great grandma, had no birth certificate as she was a 'foundling' as a small child.

[@B.Davis1]

Thank you Joe for letting her make a fool of herself. I appreciate it.

[@brandonknight6104]

That's what you got out of this? I don't get the sense that Joe would agree with your characterization.

[@RIPxFoxy]

I really enjoyed the debate going in the comment section.

[@BrianLemay-qv3lr]

Seems most don't understand genetic inheritance ; one can be of native American decent and not have detectable Indian DNA . For example I have one set of great great grandparents on my maternal side of the tree proven to be mostly native American but have yet to locate a descendant ( 3 generations or more ) with any Indian DNA . As Sally Field said " Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are going to get " . Always remember the " Box " is huge .

[@RIPxFoxy]

@BrianLemay-qv3lr Your ancestors most likely r*ped a Native American . That is why you cannot find the ancestry in your genealogy.

[@danyellerobinson5940]

In our area, DNA is used to show familial relations to existing tribal members. However, kinship alone doesn't confer membership to adults. I think people seeking an "Indian check" are missing out on the real treasure -- the ancestors' stories.

[@publicmushroom67]

Proud member of the Cherokee nation. The 5 civilized tribes have a system for determining linage. It's called the Dawes Rolls. My family are descendants from our family on the original census, (Dawes Roll). If you aren't on the Roll then you are not considered part of the tribe... Blame Andrew Jackson for that one... We did DNA testing and no Indian blood in me. However since the American Indian isn't a distinct blood line there isn't anything to discover DNA wise. Mine came back as Arab descendants.

[@sonofthetuc]

The fact that she keeps identifying as American-Indian and not Native-American is all you need to know

[@claymorelebeau3850]

You have to check “American Indian/Alaskan native” on government forms so maybe look into that before you comment...

[@ezzz42]

Native American is an invented term by the department of the interior in 1970 for inventory and classifcations of hawaiians, micronsians, poloynisians, aluetians and continental american indians. Government pigeon hole racism. Other then the tribal language names First Nations is the term i prefer but that being said i have no problem with the term American indian

[@Cuzcatlan2000]

@@ezzz42 I prefer red people.... Much easier

[@s.h5836]

@@ezzz42 actually, the term native american was not invented in the 1970's. It was used in the 1850's by a white nationalist political party, also known as the know nothing party

[@cannibalgiants5090]

She is a member, of the Choctaw nation. "Is all you need to know"

[@floridaman7]

O'Loughlin sounds very irish.

[@narutoxzx123]

@@axeman7509-tf2kf weird as hell

[@Nicole-rj4xz]

Both her first and surname are Irish. She reminds me of that totally mentally stable Native American ‘Nathan Phillips’

[@floridaman7]

She probably got some native in her on the weekends around bar closing.

[@AmandaFromWisconsin]

She might have taken her husband's surname.

[@narutoxzx123]

@@Nicole-rj4xz exactly both are extra Irish

[@basketballplayer4978]

This is the “Indian” joe found to be on the podcast

[@rickstorm719]

She is a Choctaw, as are my wife and four children. You have to trace your ancestry back to an actual Choctaw ancestor, which she has obviously done by Choctaw law. If you have one drop of Choctaw blood, you are a full voting member of the Choctaw Nation, unlike other tribes who have strict blood quorum. She doesn't have to prove shit to you dummies.

[@bozo6780]

@@rickstorm719 well said

[@gregorymeltzer1216]

You're a fuckin joke.

[@MightiestDisciple]

@@rickstorm719 no point of trying to convince these bigots

[@basketballplayer4978]

@@gregorymeltzer1216 ok Gregory

[@ryanadams68]

The lone love of my life was Welsh, Kiowa and Pueblo. She was a beauty beyond belief. American above all else.

[@jopo7996]

She's not Irish Native American. She's clearly sober..

[@briana9136]

Damn...

[@manthing351]

Did she claim to be Polish?!?

[@Der_Langenauer]

😂😂😂

[@paulauchon5455]

My grand father was half Irish half Indian. Severe case of alchoolism.

[@BastardBrad]

Haha!

[@elrashaad999]

If she’s Indian the ☀️ will agree with her ✌🏿

[@long____gone__]

What’s that mean I’m dumb lmao

[@jaybeezy7248]

@@long____gone__ her pigmentation (skin tone) can’t take that sun

[@rangerbird270]

@@long____gone__ either where both dumb😂 or he is

[@IndigenousIndianLady65]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Cashflow_Riche]

Peace! 😂😂😂😂

[@cate652]

She is NOT half and half. I live in Oklahoma and am native myself. This women is not even a quarter....

[@danimotherofchickens479]

How the hell do you know

[@cate652]

@@danimotherofchickens479 uh, how do you not? Lol. I am not trying to be rude. This lady is probably a percentage but, I call bullshit when I see it....I don't care for a liar.

[@petermaiers61]

i grew up with tons of Odawa she's not close to more then 16th

[@angel4u272]

I have a good friend that’s 3 1/4 with blonde hair blue eyes and her sisters are dark....it’s common for native genes to not show as strong for siblings.

[@jamesdarroch4587]

We’re all native to where we were born , according to the true definition of the word These peoples are the First Nations of North American,first settlers Get it right

[@chopperblues11able]

Why does this white lady think she indian.

[@acendiatmedia8747]

Probably has to do with one of her parents being native and one or both of their parents being native. Don't you think it's strange telling someone they are a different race from their biological parent or grand parent?

[@AABB-zb6dv]

$$$

[@iceybrice]

she actually probably is. i bet like 20% though.

[@elgallogiro6092]

Jay O 😂😂🤣🤣

[@tylerw.5458]

It’s okay to be white

[@doapSauce]

Some white lady telling me how dna doesnt matter in judging their native heritage... Then tells us how "everyone wants to be indian" valgame papoose!

[@mystdragon8530]

She’s not a white lady. Although she is definitely part white, probably mostly genetically white but may be brought up Native. May have a full blood grandma.

[@poopsmith6853]

Hebrews aren't white

[@JonDoeNeace]

She's not . She's a citizen of an American Indian Nation.

[@annais_trash2349]

I grew up on a reservation as a child. Always believed I was approximately 60% "Indian" b/c I knew my father was white or mostly white as we liked to say. I was shocked to find out a couple of years ago that I am only 25% Indian and my one older sister is 27% and a younger sister is 23%. Which I didn't realize you can have the same mom and dad and be a different percentage of racial identity. Anyway, I felt like the run had been ripped from beneath me. All my life, I'm 62 now, I grew up believing I was something I'm not. Hard to fathom since the census has my maternal grandmother listed as 100% Oneida and my maternal grandfather as 75% Stockbridge Munsee. And we erroneously believed my dad was part Cherokee. He's all white. But in my heart I am 100% Native because that's how I grew up. Then I met a young woman who is 75% Native and never knew it. Thought she had darker skin b/c she was Italian or something. Race is such a fluid thing.

[@ralphyization]

If you grew up Native American/ First Nations , then that’s what you are. Period

[@annais_trash2349]

@@ralphyization Yes, I do believe that also. I wouldn't know how to be anything else. Thank you.

[@rosasmith9835]

You are Indigenous Native American by culture but not by race.

[@joanmitchel1406]

That’s how genetics work. Idiots now a days go mostly by looks, and what stereotype they believe. Being Native American is who you are. You grew up in the culture, they are your family. Don’t let someone else say otherwise.

[@stpaulimdog]

You were probably all 25% and it was a variation of the test. It's probably a ballpark measure. Luckily for you Cherokee recognizes anyone 25% or more so you're still good. Most tribes recognize even at little as 1/16 to qualify.