Why the Comanches Don't Have Reservations w/S.C. Gwynne | Joe Rogan

Taken from JRE #1397 w/S.C. Gwynne:
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[@anaverageamerican7224]

As an “Indian” whose mother was born on a reservation she removed us from all the government programs that are available to us. She said ‘If you want to see what a hundred years of welfare does to a people, look at your cousins on the reservations’. She was a very wise woman.

[@oosa358]

As a “Native American” don’t perpetuate the false label put onto you.

[@birchcreekbandits8874]

I don't know much about that life, but I'm curious what does all those years of welfare do to natives on a reservation?

[@josephhxly498]

@@oosa358 shut up

[@oosa358]

@@josephhxly498 for stating a literal fact? 🤔

[@troycassidy6177]

I wish Australians had that same message. We lived here for 70,000 years without handouts and alcohol

[@chrisl1832]

God bless the Sioux nation. They saved our lives during the blizzard that dropped a meter of snow December 2022. We were stranded on a state road near Mission for two days and two nights. Some of the locals ignored state orders and curfews to go out and rescue people, people died in their cars. We were so lucky. I’m talking snowdrifts that went all the way up the sides of semis. 60 mile an hour wind gusts. Blizzard didn’t let up for 4 days but they were out there saving people including my brother and I. They let us stay in the homeless shelter and never asked us to pay them for the rescue. The Sioux deserve so much more.

[@LprogressivesANDliberals]

Long love the Midwest 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@kiuk_kiks]

What were you doing up there during a blizzard???

[@Vne_este_mvskoke0tter89]

FYI we prefer to be called the Lakota people which means allies or friends Let us give thanks for this beautiful day let us give thanks for this life let us give thanks for the water without which life would not be possible. Let us give thanks for grandmother Earth, who protects & nourishes us.

[@Stefanoitch]

Sounds like common human decency

[@brauliocruz2884]

​@@Stefanoitchit used to be, not so much anymore.

[@xjp1998]

Watching this as one who is part Comanche, it's hard to explain how things are or were in Oklahoma. My Great Grandparents got their kids and left Oklahoma to come to Texas, and now I have no family on my Grandmother's side in Oklahoma. They are all in Texas now. I was born in Texas and grew up near Palo Duro Canyon, so I know that area. But one correction it was the pony massacre in the Canyon that brought Quanah in, not just the killing of the Buffalo. The US army found the ponies in the canyon and killed all of them. From stories my grandmother told me, it's heartbreaking on what the US government did, But when I look at my Dad's side of the family, I also have two founding fathers who signed the Declaration of Independence. It's complicated to think of everything. On the one hand, you're amazed by how they founded the US, and on the other hand, your like, why did this happen to the other side? This was tough as a teen back in the day, but I remember when my cousins and brothers all went to the army, and my Grand Mother was so happy about it. I asked her why she said they are warriors protecting the family, and it hit me once I went in and oversees what she meant. When I came home, I understood protecting all the family was what was important now, and I went and stood and paid my respects to my Mother's and Father's families. I have accepted both sides fully.

[@donfromal3592]

The u.s govt haven't stopped. Sadly until there's nothing and no one to keep u alive but them. There tribulations are coming. Find clean water ....it's being destroyed. Poisoning of everyone this round.

[@Janzer_]

the government fucked over natives multiple times and tried eliminating them multiple times, and yet we live

[@kalebnelson4569]

What were their last names, we have pretty good records of all the founding fathers blood lines, I’d like to know which ones you say you’re related to..

[@xjp1998]

@@kalebnelson4569 Richard Henry Lee and Francis Lightfoot Lee the Virginia representatives, I am a descendant of Edmond Jennings Lee, Henry Lee III brother

[@kalebnelson4569]

@@xjp1998 do you know Francis, Edward or Elizabeth lee? Only remaining direct descendants, on record at least. You should fill out your family tree, other people are interested in what happened to the families of the revolutionary war.

[@jewlz9095]

My great-grandma removed her family from the reservation because she knew it wouldn’t be a good life, we’re still not registered to any tribe and I’m glad she was able to see the future because we have flourished but the rest of our family didn’t…

[@joegood9186]

May I ask how do y’all do it, want to get away like that instead of committing suicide

[@jeffforbess6802]

Join the military, and don’t look back.

[@daveunderwoodjr682]

I’m a Native American from the Pacific Northwest. I come from the third largest tribe in Washington state the Quinault Nation and life on the reservation can be very hard at times and we used to have such a bad drug epidemic in my village but in the past few years most people started to get clean and find their way into the red road if recovery. There are many issues in the reservation but I honestly am very proud to say that I am from the village of Taholah , on the Quinault nation reservation in Washington state. The land of the Quinault is the land of the creator. Gods country. It’s so beautiful living in the coastal rainforest

[@rosestewart1606]

So what was the most important thing they did to get people back from the drugs? We have that problem on some reserves in Canada...and still alcohol even where it's supposed to be dry. It sounds beautiful there. Hold on to your connection because it will always keep you stronger.

[@michelleshafto4141]

Empire of the summer moon is the best book I've ever read. The title alone is fabulous

[@gatorbuilt]

If you are Native American(North, Central or South) or Asian, you likely lack the enzyme to process/metabolize ethyl alcohol...a large portion of those folks can't or shouldn't drink as a result...I'd stay away from something for which you are either predisposed to become dependent, or possibly negatively impact your life, or others...drugs, depending on which one(s) are a different set of problems not unlike other ethnicities...opioids are addictive to everyone...good luck

[@djayslyons7263]

Aho

[@mr.e3894]

@@gatorbuilt my MESOAMERICAN ancestors enjoyed mezcal....

[@JuanRamirez-wr6ji]

We are still here in Texas. Assimilated...none the less we are here.

[@fireforce9706]

@Tyler Moore Lol

[@hcazsreffej5769]

@Burton Knighten if ms 13 is in america I'm sure it's in Mexico bud. Go drink some strawberry milk

[@lordskunk5912]

@Tyler Moore bruh 😅

[@Connection-Lost]

@@lordskunk5912 Now I want to know what Tyler said that made snowflakes report his post

[@lordskunk5912]

@@Connection-Lost he said their talking about the Comanche, not ms13 😭😂

[@0108853ww]

Texas actually owes some credit for its existence to the Comanches. It was the presence of the Comanches that kept Spain & Mexico from heavily settling the Texas area, which ultimately led to Mexico allowing anglos from the US to settle into east Texas, provided that they speak Spanish and were catholic. This of course was the seeds of the Texas revolution.

[@andrew9371]

American settlers had the grit to fight the natives that were too insane for the Spanish to pacify on top of all the other tribes they were containing

[@BigRedRaider]

@@andrew9371 negative. The first setters didn't know any better. My ancestors killed them none the less. Then it took an army and an extermination force known as the Texas rangers to even come close and even still they didn't exterminate us. Numunuu

[@andrew9371]

@@BigRedRaider they weren't trying to exterminate just pasify because the native Americans were psychotic cavemen

[@rolisreefranch]

indoctrination is often the seed of revolution. it can be seen happening again in this country.

[@curtisthomas2670]

Texas "Revolution" was a land grab, not an actual revolution

[@thedrunkenstoner9576]

Had a pair of Comanche brothers they were the most noble friends I ever had around me

[@GDO66352]

Coughing at 2:35 "Tail end of the flu..." Oh how innocent we were back in Dec 2019...

[@marksmith4452]

Thinking same thing. Innocent in so many ways/beliefs/trust. What a farce, Sadly it may not just be innocence, at this point it’s pure stupidity. Sheeple wear masks and give away freedoms and rights for lies and false security.

[@TheXChapter]

Jan... I believe

[@Bronk0Nagurski]

I was about to post the same thing. 👀

[@bluethunder4542]

Not really I woulda been pisssed even then if he showed up sickly to sell books

[@boosteddaily1294]

@@bluethunder4542 Pissed? LOL. Damn bro, relax haha

[@dawnleyva4880]

We are still here!! Thankful for my ancestors!

[@747Antman]

Your message: We are still here! Reply: Thank goodness. They made it really hard for you all. I have a degree in United States Studies and was overwhelmed reading about the terrible collision between different cultures. Speaking as a European, I am appalled by things done by my ancestors, not that I personally have family in the states. But I am sure people from my clan did travel westward. I wish you a long and peaceful life. 🇬🇧

[@MsKK909]

“The Empire of the Summer Moon” was one of the best books I’ve ever read. Gwynne is a national treasure!

[@jameswilson3991]

have just ordered it looking forward to resding it from linda in scotland

[@MsKK909]

@@jameswilson3991 You’ll love it! And as you read it, keep in mind that the setting is not that long ago. Quanah Parker, the last chief of the Comanche nation, was still alive when my father was born! If you’re British, that will help to bring into sharp focus just how young a nation America really is. I think so much of the misunderstanding between our two cultures is based in the fact that England has such a long history and America doesn’t. Those were incredibly tough people….. we’re little hot house plants compared to them. I envy you that you have the read in front of you.

[@zapatavive1801]

Deranged colonazis not "poor hapless settlers" Try 'Killers of the Flower Moon' instead

[@MsKK909]

@@zapatavive1801 Naw..

[@zutrue]

Gwynne is national treasure only to rumplickers.

[@andywoommavovah7229]

The Comanches were “allotted” lands just prior to the Oklahoma Land Run. Based on their history, they selected lands that were on rivers, creeks and streams. Because of this, their land today does not have a lot of value. In an early career, I was a land surveyor for the BIA and discovered this.

[@loveshiking4311]

I left the Rez 12 years ago, best decision I ever made. I can make it on my own.

[@straightsithmale9872]

I don't blame you I grew up with a bunch of natives spent a good amount of time on the Rez it's not all sunshine and rainbows and usually the Rez Gov can be greedy AF not really caring for the rest of the tribe most of my good friends did the same as you and left and are much better off for it.

[@buyerofsorts]

Good for you! :)

[@justinallen2408]

@@straightsithmale9872 yeah I lived in Arizona and there were many natives who much rather live with the rest of us than to be stuck in a small reservation.

[@grocker5382]

My parents left also .but my mom died after new year's and wanted to be buried on the rez same as my dad .the rez can be no joke .lots of history. That comes with all the big city problems

[@twoonthewall]

Is loves hiking you Indian name?

[@adamrasnic9652]

Much love to the indigenous peoples of America. And a big thank you to the Choctaw for sending help to my mother Ireland during the famine

[@jmac1221981]

Adam Rasnic this is a story I wanna hear!

[@JC-zt5dp]

They were immigrants as well tho....if you go back far enough

[@padraig5335]

I'm Irish and Choctaw. Great combo.

[@justinallen2408]

That's crazy I never knew they helped out us irishmen when the famines were killing of big portions of the population, the reason I'm here in America is due to this and to the tyranny of the crown.

[@Michelle-499]

Yes yes, we have a memorial in Middleton co.cork dedicated to them for their kindness

[@raymarshall7779]

My great great grandfather had two brothers Henry and William who walked the trail of tears ...we have lost our contact

[@augustajeter6035]

There is a Comanche reservation in Oklahoma, on the Texas border, near Wichita Falls, Texas.

[@mar0364]

The Comanche fought a 40 year war. To anyone with little knowledge I would recommend reading Comanche Moon.

[@maxfederman9291]

Rich Mariner really great read! Loved this one

[@JF-tw3bn]

Is it fictional or historical?

[@tannercox4537]

Rich Mariner read about a war people lost? 😂 this is the definition of 2019. Let’s celebrate and enrich people who lose

[@cptjohnbhewler1529]

Many tribes died at the hands of other tribes. Tribes would adobt some culture from tribes they killed but most times thier culture was lost. They chose not to be farmers because those types of tribes were the ones that got killed off by other tribes. Scalping, rape, slavery and some tribs cannibalism were done for thousands of years by their regressive culture. I'm 50% Salishan on the West Coast of Canada, my Grandfather was the Chief of the Bella Coola tribe. Alot of tribes joined with Europeans for saftey and protection from agressive tribes.

[@cptjohnbhewler1529]

Many tribes died at the hands of other tribes. Tribes would adobt some culture from tribes they killed but most times thier culture was lost. They chose not to be farmers because those types of tribes were the ones that got killed off by other tribes. Scalping, rape, slavery and some tribs cannibalism were done for thousands of years by their regressive culture. I'm 50% Salishan on the West Coast of Canada, my Grandfather was the Chief of the Bella Coola tribe. Alot of tribes joined with Europeans for saftey and protection from agressive tribes.

[@crackawood]

I'm from West Texas in an area that used to be Comanche territory. A good book to read along with Empire of the Summer Moon is Nine Years Among The Indians, a book about Herman Lehmann, who was abducted by the Apaches as a child and lived with them and Comanches until he was an adult.

[@greenquartz]

Thanks for the recommendation!

[@therivergod849]

I read Empire of the Summer Moon in prison. The Comanches history is fascinating.

[@crackawood]

Hey, that's where I read both. Fed time in Texas for marijuana. Never read so many books in my life while locked up

[@therivergod849]

@@crackawood Also read Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry and Blood Meridian by Cormac Macarthy that had some great Comanche featuring.

[@crackawood]

I've read both of those too. Blood Meridian took a while because of some of the archaic language but that book was a masterpiece

[@gordonlewis4280]

Thanks for putting this out there good topics joe Rogan love and respect from the yavapai apache nation.

[@heidiwilliams598]

Having researched Native history for many years I have and read an excellent book "Comanches-Lords of the Plains" which details all aspects of that tribes culture in depth. Informatoin gathered and chronicled by anthropologists from the mid 1800s. One of the best books I've ever read.

[@thelmajomowatt9674]

We are still here ....we are seated in Lawton Oklahoma ...there's a shit ton of us ....steady thriving

[@DanielRivera-lg8wn]

Comanche don't have a reservation.

[@hanaj]

thelma jo mowatt he literally says that in the interview. That instead of a reservation, they got individual plots of land.

[@lolwtnick4362]

so capitalism working for you? Lol

[@nativeatheist6422]

Technically, there are no reservations in Oklahoma.

[@Skindrift]

@NaziAssUtube East Europeans were.

[@imageaware]

The Choctaw nation showed empathy and respect for the Irish people during the great hunger. This was a hunger forced upon us by the British empire. We were people on the other side of the world, unknown to the Choctaw nation, yet they showed us great respect and gave money in an act of kindness that can never be repaid. As an Irishman I do not know the Choctaw, but I know their hearts, and I am proud to call them my Brothers and my Sisters.

[@swamp-yankee]

Thank you for sharing that story.

[@NickCager]

It was a self-serving political action that did nothing for the Irish... shut the $#%k up.

[@SobeCrunkMonster]

omg dramatic much lmao

[@JohnSmith-jz2ke]

@@swamp-yankee lmao

[@gabriellockhart]

@@swamp-yankee Just remember the James Joyce quote... “Beware the horns of a bull, the heels of the horse, and the smile of an Englishman.”

[@R.Stone281]

As a kid, I spent alot of time in ft.sill/lawton, Ok (comanche county) and alot of them were neighbors, classmates, etc. I moved back to Tx in the 90s but still think about them and all the good memories all of the time. Lawton is a poor city filled with crime/drug use/murder and suicide but if you get out to the wildlife reserve, holy city, medicine creek, and other places nearby it is 1 of the most peaceful, beautiful places on earth. Im glad to hear the comanche people are still there and thriving. I just wish oklahoma and the lawton area was growing and seeing real investment as a whole because it was hard to make a living out there if you werent in the military or actually owning something. Id never move back because theres not much opportunity and too much crime and its been that way for several decades. But we did make alot of good friends and people would really look out for 1 another in Lawton. My family were struggling for a couple yrs and there were times we wouldnt have even had food if it werent for our great neighbors and the people who knew us in the community. I wish we still kept contact after all these years.. I want to give them my thanks and tell them I appreciate it and never forgot them. I cant believe they closed down Taft grocery 🙁 I used to stay right nearby and loved that store lol

[@chellepatino1675]

I was born there and you're right. My dad once moved to medicine park and it was beautiful

[@DeeGirlz-zz9hh]

Geronimo

[@giouno]

😊😊

[@cantstop-wontstop2138]

@_R Stone_ I was at Ft Sill in the 80s. Saw high rates of Alcoholism in the Commanche/Indian communities. The Strip and 1st St (I think) were the hottest areas

[@googooziris]

I stumbled on these videos. I thought I'd be completely offended, but I'd have to say, I'm impressed and will definitely buy the book. I'm Comanche by the way. American Indian law and tribal sovereignty are extremely complex and I believe people would be absolutely surprised to learn how they actually work. I gather that a lot of people still don't know about us because obviously.... we have a reputation 😑 and personally, in my opinion, we don't really fit the narrative of the sad, conquered Indian propaganda, although, there was some real hardships after we agreed to move onto the reservation. One of my ancestors road with Quanah and another was amongst the first children to be taken to Carlisle Indian School for "reconditioning". Look up the phrase "kill the Indian, save the man" if you want to know more about that part of American Indian history. But, the moral of my story is that we are still here.

[@salamanderz5847]

Wow, thanks for sharing, I want to learn more, I’m going to check it out, glad you’re still here 🙌

[@MrBoazhorribilis]

Stay strong!

[@perarnemoen1085]

The Comanches were the real owners of Texas or Comancheria. An impressive nation that was subject to genocide during 30 years. Exterminated by 98% between 1840 to 1875 from more than 20 thousand to less than 400. Millions of bisons were killed to break the nation. In Palo Duro canyon 15 thousand horses were killed before the commanches were herded in to concentration camps were they have suffered for 150 years.

[@googooziris]

@@perarnemoen1085 we don't have a "reservation" but rather had our lands broken up by the General Allotment Act.

[@BigRedRaider]

Damn right we are

[@michaellynch1159]

My mom grew up on an Apache Reservation. She always asked her mom what kind of Tribe they were. One day Grandma Pearl yelled Comanche. And keep your mouth shut.

[@deathinthedark5451]

I imagine because The Comanche terrorized the Apache in your grandma’s day and mom’s younger years there were probably still elders that held resentment. But that just my thinking

[@safriedrich1631]

@@deathinthedark5451 I always thought Comanche just meant "enemy"

[@johnberney6563]

@@safriedrich1631 Yupp, it comes from the Ute word "kɨmantsi", meaning "enemy".

[@paulhomsy2751]

That's because of all the tribes, the Comanches were the cruelest and most murderous until 1874. Read about them. Their cruelty and lack of feelings are absolutely shocking.

[@Chase-vl9cp]

@@paulhomsy2751 war isn't pretty. Being the best at something horrific can be hard to grasp.

[@virgilmcdonald3370]

My great grandfather was full comanche. He was mean. Barely spoke english. He drank all the time. He used to throw shit at us. Lol

[@cjstryder5441]

My great grandfather who owned slaves did the same thing.

[@bunnyrabbitshavehats]

Alcohol has a different affect on native blood. It becomes very easy to become alcoholic, that’s why our grandfathers called it “fire water” hope he can rest in the big sky and I’m sorry he was mean to you. That’s not the way we were meant to be.

[@godzilladestroyscities1757]

Do you mean literal shit, or random shit around the house?

[@virgilmcdonald3370]

@@bunnyrabbitshavehats yeah. He was old and crazy. He couldn't aim that well but every now and then he'd get lucky. He got me in The back with a break pad one day. Lol He died choking on a taco when i was 8.

[@bunnyrabbitshavehats]

Big V omg. 🤭🙏

[@nilsbrown7996]

Great video and comments also. One of the best on KZbin.

[@leebarnes655]

The Cheyenne used to be peaceful farmers in central Minnesota originally known as chaa, until other tribes warred upon them from horseback when horses became a new thing. They got their own horses and moved to the high plains between the arkansas and north platte rivers to become a force to be reckoned with themselves. But wild rice, corn with ducks and fish suited them just fine for hundreds of years prior to the horse. A lot of changes happening fast before the white man was even a sight to be seen.

[@handwerkerrestorations4188]

All in all, the Horse Culture lasted less than 200 years in North America.

[@kalebnelson4569]

Wild rice was only available in Canada and a few states like Idaho, Michigan, Wisconsin, no wild rice on the plains so they either harvested and planted it or you’re misinformed by whoever gave you that info.

[@JackDiamond21]

The Cheyenne didn't acquire horses until after they left Minnesota. The Lakota didn't even have horses yet when they left Minnesota. It was the Spanish who introduced horses back into North America. So your story about other tribes attacking them with horses is bullshit. There were no horses in Minnesota during the time the Cheyenne lived there. Again they didn't acquire horses until after arriving onto the plains.

[@Shinuchiha_99]

@@handwerkerrestorations4188 horse culture shaped the very economy our great country knows today!! Without these people we wouldn’t know our current landscape..

[@1murder99]

The Comanches did have a reservation. It was located in Throckmorton County, Texas and is still shown on the maps as the Comanche Indian Reservation.

[@dannyv2468va2]

To bad they didn't put a casino on it. They would be doing fine now!

[@Microtherion]

If you crunch the numbers, you'll find that even if there's a casino, the money isn't exactly being evenly distributed among the native population. I know it was a joke, but you might as well say 'look at all the cathedrals and shopping centres white guys own - how did we ever get so rich?' At the other extreme, it always annoys me just slightly when people insist not only that reservations are typically economically deprived - they are - but that they must be something like hell on earth. I think most first nations people look at our identikit suburbs and cul-de-sacs, where people live in exaggerated fear of mostly imaginary prowlers and thieves, and never speak to the people who've lived next door for twenty years (or scream at and sue each other over the size or location of a hedge), and say 'God, I couldn't cope with that!'

[@rockyperez2828]

That was the Camp Cooper reservation and it sit right next to the Brazos River. I'm from Olney and used to go fishing on the reservation as a teen. Found alot of arrow heads and even dug up a broken Winchester model 1880

[@alabastardmasterson]

@@Microtherion truly an ignorant, disjointed comment.

[@Microtherion]

@@alabastardmasterson Hopefully you mean his, not the OP or mine? Lol. Yes, I try not to 'jump' on silly and disrespectful comments 'cause that's a very widespread and pointless habit these days, but that one did irk me a little!

[@MrBendayho]

It would be interesting for Joe to speak with a Native American and hear their side of the story.

[@badascan8910]

Why? It's all romanticized and not factual

[@HeartOfTheBereaved]

@Eschaton Zenith So are you.

[@Ashum28]

Yeah, he should have to hear “their” side of the story.... aaaasssss long as they can find an Indian that “can speak for all of them”... because they all think the same...

[@Michael-bc3es]

@@Ashum28 native American here. Can confirm we do all think exactly alike although we must attend the drum circle before we are allowed to speak on behalf of our people.

[@Mister006]

the story is written in treaty for ceded land, and the failure to uphold those treaties by the US Government. European Americans don't and won't accept that their people and the lands that they benefit from today were gained from breaches of contract, and genocide. If you're not going to accept the written truth of that time, why would you hear now? Look at these responses even here - they state that they require fact, but it won't change their mind when it is presented!

[@jacobotto9766]

As from a family that is Cherokee in Oklahoma we do not trust the government. Most would not sign up on the roles or register due to how poorly the government treated them.

[@nathangrattan6204]

Is the full episode available anywhere? This is fascinating

[@Eagle1349]

The history of Native Americans is vast, I was so privileged to sit and listen to family stories that were passed down. Up until a few years ago, I had family members who did not speak English.

[@dr.sneaky400]

I grew up playing around Quanahs home. The Star House. It’s still in my home town. Love my family history.

[@h.hickenanaduk8622]

It's cool to have Joe speak about all the things he knows about Native Americans that he saw on TV.

[@joenichols3901]

Just finished the book. Highly recommend

[@earlgregoire6661]

Should have pointed out the differences between Tribes with private ownership of land vs tribes with communal (tribal) ownership of lands.

[@Ekuzma26]

Earl Gregoire very true huge difference between the two

[@michiganman4398]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/poKXnaF6rperpLM Here ya go

[@SOURisPOWER]

Christopher Kirby how about you look it up, dumbfuck

[@JonnyQuest64]

Who cares...they're all weak

[@cptjohnbhewler1529]

Many tribes died at the hands of other tribes. Tribes would adobt some culture from tribes they killed but most times thier culture was lost. They chose not to be farmers because those types of tribes were the ones that got killed off by other tribes. Scalping, rape, slavery and some tribs cannibalism were done for thousands of years by their regressive culture. I'm 50% Salishan on the West Coast of Canada, my Grandfather was the Chief of the Bella Coola tribe. Alot of tribes joined with Europeans for saftey and protection from agressive tribes.

[@st3wi3D]

Ira Hayes - Native American, War hero, and a Marine. Died in the prime of life after returning from war & the Government had no use for him. Thanks to Johnny Cash for paying tribute.

[@mikecomfort115]

Jon Doe I think you May be mistaken. Ira Hayes suffered from what today we would call survivors guilt and PTSD. Sadly he turned to alcohol to deal with this. Ira Hayes passed out in a bar pit (ditch on side of road) drunk and drowned to death. A sad end to a war hero and Medal of Honor recipient but he was not cast aside by the government.

[@SirBlackReeds]

Don't forget Peter LaFarge.

[@ronrolph]

I’m a Marine Iraq Vet & my grandfather was a Marine on Iwo Jima like Ira Hayes. What happened to him was sad but I’m failing to see what else the government owed him exactly? They sure didn’t give my grandfather anything - he had nightmares & a drinking problem the rest of his life but he had a family & became successful through hard work anyway. The government doesn’t owe you a good life - that’s on you.

[@AJHart-eg1ys]

You seem to be forgetting the chorus for some reason. Could it be because it's, "Call him drunken Ira Hayes, he won't answer any more. Not the whiskey-drinking Indian or the Marine that went to war." Hard to believe the government didn't have a use for him.

[@hoponpop3330]

Ira was a Gila River Pima South of Phoenix and it’s very large.plus the Salt River Pina have their own res near Scottsdale . Half of Arizona is Indian Reservation or National Park . He was quite a man who saw way to much combat. I would suggest everyone read the book Flags of our Fathers about the Iwo Jima flag raising. Clint Eastwood’s movie sucked . Some of the natives actually attended my Church Many people can’t distinguish between natives and Hispanics especially from Central America.

[@mountainviewautorestoratio8175]

Just finished his book Empire of the summer moon. Has to be one of the best books on Texas and the Comanche Indian I have ever read.

[@salvadortexas5274]

Comanche on dad's side. Grandmother told me when the census man came to my Great Grandfather's farm in Lawton, OK, he told them they were White instead of Comanche to avoid the hate and/or fear. Rightly so, plenty of stories to validate the fighting history of the Comanche. The name was fittingly given, the Comanche were not a peaceful tribe.

[@vovka2026]

Those days you could still cough and say “I just had a flu” without freaking everyone out...

[@vovka2026]

Today Joe would hold his breath, cover his mouth and run out that room spraying lysol behind him

[@JesusChrist2000BC]

The last sane days. Before the mask stupidity.

[@jacobbridges5143]

It’s not stupid...lol what kinda clown are you. 500,000 people dead...just wear the damn mask

[@the_regulator1145]

@@jacobbridges5143 that number is definitely inflated bro. No doubt people died, but there’s no way it’s that many.

[@jacobbridges5143]

@@the_regulator1145 Why does it matter? Maybe the numbers are wrong but it’s still a pandemic. Wear a mask and stop with the conspiracy theories until we know for sure. It hurts no one to just throw on a mask.

[@knightrider9742]

How does Rogan do it?!?! He has some of the best discussions on here!! Love Rogan😎

[@Understandme-fi2sf]

I really was surprised about how similar the reservations are compared to where I come from which is the San Carlos rez kah in AZ

[@Gamerhog2022]

I'm interested in this podcast episode. How can I watch or listen to this.

[@matthewmiller9526]

Great book, great read, I recommend any of Mr. Gwynne’s books.

[@BlueNeahno]

I read a book here in Australia called ‘Empire of the summer moon’ I didn’t realise how the Comanche were a brutal force you certainly wouldn’t want to take on in a a fight.Perhaps one of or the toughest amongst the North American natives.I understand what a ‘Comanche moon’ is now after hearing it a lot growing up.

[@dariusgreysun]

Yep they didn't fuck around. Babies on spears, torture, rape, etc

[@miohai7190]

I'm amazed that others didn't learn this IN SCHOOL, like I did. It was a recognized fact that was passed down right into the history books... that history whitewashed somehow. i mean, what do they think a "fierce warrior" DOES? To get that kind of REPUTATION? hell, I got a reputation, and i only hit someone ONCE, lmao....

[@dontall71]

Yep, the Comanche's drove the Apache out of south Texas

[@brianhaag2934]

Mio Hai b

[@brianhaag2934]

Mio Hai but

[@ladypilliwick8179]

I owned quantum Parkers farm with house built in 1903. about 60 miles south of Ft. Worth. beautiful place. he raised cattle. bought it from Parkers

[@jdlackey7109]

Thank you Joe for an excellent, educational discussion, and thank you Mr. Gwynne for an excellent book. There are two take home lessons worthy of emphasis: 1- Don’t judge the Native Americans by 21st century western cultural expectations. They did what they had to do to survive in a very difficult environment, and they were amazing . 2- The tragedy of the collapse of the culture and tribal society on the reservations is the inevitable result of depending on “the government” to take care of you. (The mouse dies in the trap because he thinks the cheese is free.)

[@jeffk464]

If they don't have a reservation where do they put their Casinos?

[@ehalverson9323]

They talk about an isolate group of native americans as if they represent the rest of us. Saying we were nothing but living a caveman lifestyle. Moronic and not informative. You would have to know all of our histories for these conclusions. There were wars everywhere, its life. We are better off without white people.

[@DIYCROWDER]

*1984 they changed the name prisoners of war camps to reservations* ​@@jeffk464

[@thorsden5562]

You are correct! People of all backgrounds and heritages, white or people of color, do everything you can to not rely on the government to take care of you. It will eventually ruin you as a human being. The majority of their programs will enslave you and take away your ambition to progress in life. I know this because my job (not a gov't job) involves helping people on these programs.

[@jacobtiger3843]

I'm creek and I lived in the Muskogee nation for awhile it was great

[@713Tankbuster]

Joe should get a native to talk about their culture

[@Iberianlobo]

He seems to avoid talking directly to any of us.

[@benevolent2077]

TF about there culture? Dude most there shit is a fucking joke. They are people that literally never get smarter. Please don't tell me they are smart.

[@etorres788]

@@benevolent2077 your an idiot for saying that

[@sparklingicetea9410]

@@flamesquadron Maybe their ancestors came from Europe but culturaly I don't really consider white americans "from europe". U.S. culture is just so different from ours in so many ways (I mean kind of makes sense since most of the people that left europe as settlers came from religious communities that didn't like life in europe).

[@HypnoChode74]

jyjygjy yjfyjygj without them your ancestors would have died of starvation our the wildlife without them..... piss off.

[@kevinhagen6596]

A lot of us never made it to the Reservations in Oklahoma. My mother's family got a look at the Mississippi River, and said BLEEP that! They told the Cavalry to stick it, or kill them. They took off and stayed with the Choctaw, until they came back for them. Once again, they ran. Also, Reservations today are not the dumps that they used to be. The kids are thriving. They are not filled with hate. They are happy! It's really awesome. We survived Smallpox, and are kicking butt today. Just to mention the Comanche. The toughest Texans to ever walk the Earth. I will leave it right there. Mad respect!

[@user-pe2lw1ze8i]

Please have more programs on this Joe. Please interview first hand the people from different nations. Hear them tell their stories and give insights into life. Please.

[@christrout9902]

Joe, get a Casino owner or Native American board member on your podcast.

[@MrBeeboh]

Hide the whiskey first...!

[@Garrus1995]

Should get Wes Studi on the show if he could. Would love to hear what he has to say.

[@Panama_Red]

@@MrBeeboh That's an outdated and inaccurate stereotype..... it's opioids now.

[@ProfoundG]

Willard Mills right it’s an epidemic with white people and opioids... it’s crazy

[@diegodelgado9764]

And invite elizabeth warren on too

[@joepluff3023]

I lived on the Couer d'Alene rez in idaho 39 years. I moved away 7 years ago. I miss the rez even with all its problems the people really care about each other. With all the fights I was in I also got love from the same people afterwards it is part of living a hard life. We're are in it together.

[@jaykaramales3087]

Just this week I read Gwynne's "Empire of the Summer Moon" and learned so much about the history of the Comanche and why the settlement of Texas transpired the way it did. I couldn't recommend it more highly.

[@bwbramblettart5796]

It’s not hard to spot tribal land in Oklahoma, there is usually a giant casino sitting on it.

[@MoonChild-po9du]

Name one

[@issacgs17]

@@MoonChild-po9du www.500nations.com/Oklahoma_Casinos_Tribes.asp

[@bwbramblettart5796]

@Moon Child I’d recommend Riverwind. They have some great concerts there.

[@drivinforalivin6945]

Cherokee casino in siloam springs Ar OK border

[@bwbramblettart5796]

eddie money I’ve seen hard rock, it’s huge. Lol! I think there is motel in it too.

[@thewonderfulweeaboootaku8502]

The Choctaw Nation used to control much of Mississippi. They were forcefully relocated to Oklahoma.

[@longhaulbrown6748]

TheWonderfulWeeabooOtaku Choctaw county

[@Tomhankerus]

Fat, angry assholes. Never in history have I seen someone lose in a battle, then get a fucking consolation prize of never having to pay tax, free services, and free land. Only the Natives.

[@BPB9973952]

they were not going peacefully brother

[@brainglick9768]

"Control" and Claim are two different things

[@gucci1131]

I guess thats what happens when you lose

[@randomoldguy3967]

He skirted right around the question of why the comanche don’t have a reservation

[@scaryhours2220]

I noticed that too

[@TheDexterReflector]

I live right beside the six nations reservation in Canada and I've been to other Reservations. They are a different world. Rules, mannerisms, violence etc. I used to live farther North (near another reservation) and when I tried to apply for highschool the principal told me I should go to a different school because of my size (I had already been lifting weights for 3 years at the time) The principal told me that because of my size I'd be fighting Native/indigenous kids all the time. so even though that school was my district high school he told me to apply someplace else.

[@donniecook8438]

Native North Texans are very tough people because of the Comanches. My family's been here forever I can take you to historical spots were Comanches and settlers were killed. I can take you to the very spot where Quanah Parker's mother was kidnapped.

[@dustinsykes2671]

That’s awesome dude

[@SobeCrunkMonster]

but did they eat booty? i dont respect anyone that doesnt eat booty.

[@coltsandbows]

My 3x great grandfather was killed by Comanches with a spear near Mason TX in 1860. Cut his ears off.

[@donniecook8438]

@@SobeCrunkMonster insanity

[@mercuryxdase8492]

Take me?

[@Rvillaluz123]

Hey Joe, I love your program - the variety you provide. The reason I'm writing is to invite you to look at a picture of Sitting Bull. You'll see what freedom looks like; it's very powerful and moving to look into the eyes of someone who was totally free.

[@lucidtim]

Excellent Book, Empire of the Summer Moon by S.C. Gwynne. Reading it now.

[@RealSVTJunkie]

His book Rebel Yell is amazingly done.

[@hockeytown9647]

Hiked Palo Duro Canyon quite a bit. When I lived in Canyon TX, and was in the scouts. Lots of cool engravings on boulders etc from the Conquestador.

[@danusty]

conquistador

[@hockeytown9647]

danusty yes, thank you. I saw the mistake, but didn’t care enough to correct it. The autocorrect on my phone kept correcting it to conquest as I typed. I knew someone would correct it anyway. It is the internet after all.

[@danusty]

Hockeytown9 don't worry, Spanish is my first language and I write worse in Spanish than in English, so I get corrected all the time, but conquistador, well, that's a different story

[@SandDabs]

I never knew how much Gary Busey knows about Comanches.

[@narcissus79]

@@acf894 that's how moronic the millenials and gen z are. they can't even get the generation titles figured out... my money bet is that you're gen X - but millenials have no idea.. they are nothing but a meme unto themelves

[@JohannGambolputty22]

Comanche: Common Observation May Appear Normal Now Come Here Elmo

[@Kelso540]

Highly underrated comment. Lmfao. Almost missed it.

[@TheWartHawg]

Empire of the Summer Moon. Highly recommend his book. I traveled to Palo Duro Canyon fall of last year and missed a lecture that SC Gwynne held by 1 week.

[@Albus-oo9sf]

For anyone seeing this comment that didn’t watch/listen to this entire podcast, you definitely NEED to go back and check the whole thing out. It’s hard to rank Joes podcast because he has so many of them that are extremely informative but this is one of those podcasts that ABSOLUTELY has to be listened too. Especially with all the false narratives being forced upon our kids in school these days, there is a ton of valuable information that can be taken from this chat.

[@kurtis664]

Living in Texas my whole life, never once thought it was strange the land was primarily private owned

[@kwg5044]

I've grown up in Texas and just thought that everywhere on Earth was strangled by godforsaken fences everywhere. I didn't even know until now that it's not like that everywhere

[@Cloudminster]

Maybe read a book or I dunno…do some research about stuff not in Texas or the US

[@letsgobrandon987]

Well I come from a shithole country where private property has been illegal since 1960. So Trust me when I say this...God Bless Texas.

[@radium_habit6869]

@@Cloudminster calling someone uneducated because they lack knowledge on one topic is a trait that people with superiority complexes have. Just FYI.

[@Cloudminster]

@@radium_habit6869 Fuck off im the best…

[@davidbrock4104]

Wow, great content. Love American history

[@jordanl2403]

They should! Panera's gets pretty packed on the weekend!

[@victoriawinter3607]

The reservation up by where I live really sad especially the casino where you walk out after you loose everything is known as the trail of tears

[@mississippidiscgolfvlogs6204]

RIP Phillip Martin. He started the preservation of the choctaws in Mississippi and his ideas spread to the rest of the country until finally in 1988 the IGRA was passed and reservation casinos started happening.

[@philsburydoboy]

Idk who that is but he sounds like a good dude

[@georgewashington938]

they don't have reservations because the Comanches don't like to call ahead / they are much too spontaneous

[@eliminator173]

Bruh lmao

[@gmmakesmehurl]

Well, kinda true.

[@georgewashington938]

@@gmmakesmehurl it is the narrative that matters, not the facts

[@meaningfulmindfulness15]

I'm half Comanche, I can definitely agree to the spontaneity..

[@georgewashington938]

@@meaningfulmindfulness15 I am trying to be more spontaneous. Last week I started a 10 step program on spontaneity. I am waiting for next week when we discuss step 2.

[@Bravybrown]

Same, I'm the second in my family who's made it to college since our recovery. My grandma has a tiny piece of barren land as well, makes sense.

[@danielpeddicord6079]

The Comanche res is within the Kiowa/Apache res, in southwestern Oklahoma. Lawton is the capitol, and the county seat of Comanche county.

[@BluegillGreg]

Joe Rogan keeps it knowledgable, respectful, and open minded. Please aim to keep it at the level he's setting.

[@roncarlson7222]

Yeah, thanks mom. I'll look both ways before I cross the street, too,ok?

[@roising.3221]

Don't read the book, I did and apparently massacres are brave when white people do it, and its okay for him to use racial slurs. And apparently feudalism is better than hunting and gathering. :O

[@Lessenjr]

@@roising.3221 if people are curious of the subject maybe they should read the book. Then make up their own mind.

[@berserker_bo]

I live 27 minutes away from PDC and I can tell you without a doubt just being in Palo Duro Canyon makes you feel hidden and closer to the earth It is my favorite place to be.

[@tonyiacomi4822]

Closer to the earth..?

[@berserker_bo]

@@tonyiacomi4822 I suppose I was just being meta. "Closer" in terms of "the heart" or the the spiritual side of the mind.

[@jonathannutt3264]

Nothing brings me closer to the earth than lying face down in the mud

[@berserker_bo]

@@jonathannutt3264 agreed haha #exfoliating

[@slick_3617]

Yeah I've had some special moments out in those canyons. It feels so empty in the Panhandle, but it's really amazing to learn that there was so much history that took place there.

[@adamheskett6245]

The mound builders of Kansas and adjacent states built canals, lochs, dams, and reservoirs for their vessels. Farming was done with the boats as well as trade. The mounds maintained elevation for the waterway floor and shoreline. Make water great again

[@mylesd17]

Most my family in Lawton & Illinois

[@foxstar5521]

Can you do a topic about the kizh, los angeles indigenous people.

[@cisco.moet.youtube]

Tongva? I met an old lady and her family at the San Gabriel mission trying to get memorials for native Americans, I blame the church not doing anything for them, a week later it the mission was vandalized.

[@psychoskate970]

People have no problem eating from the table, but curse the foundation of the house.

[@niwe3631]

Typical people ain't shit

[@jamesgibson4275]

Not all of us. I self-banned travel to the US because that country is just slavers who became wealthy off other peoples work. Yeah it looks like fun to live there, but at too high a cost.

[@alvarnunez3215]

@@jamesgibson4275 Excellent. We wouldn't have wanted someone who thinks like you here. You clearly have no idea of our history and care to tell us what it is rather than let us tell you.

[@todddominoes9862]

James Gibson Slavers? Hmm 🤔 They came from Europe? England, Spain, Portugal, and quite a few other countries destroyed Africa, China, India, Australia, etc. Do you have them on the ban list? Hell while we’re at it let’s add the Mongols, Chinese, Turks, Romans, etc. Looks like you might need to move to the moon or something...

[@psychoskate970]

@Jim Smithers yes we see this quite often.

[@bigjaguar2184]

Dude said if u go to the east coast like Colorado or the Sioux which is in North Dakota South Dakota

[@axlegrind4212]

i loved the movie *_rio bravo_* where the john wayne character claims the land from the rio grande all the way up to the red river for his ranch. that's the eastern half of new mexico.

[@rigsby556]

1/2/ registered Choctaw Tribal Member and employee. My daughter is currently being raised on the allotted land that was issued to my family after surviving the trail of tears (literally a forced march at gunpoint in the dead of winter from Mississippi to Oklahoma ). We do have out own heath care system, our own police and judicial system, housing banking etc etc. . .We do honor and respect federal and state laws but are also a sovereign nation with our own elected officials from local council leaders all the way up to our respected chief. We are alive and well and not surviving but thriving.

[@MG-jy5qx]

Can you please tell me about the Sabe people?

[@ghostdog2898]

@@MG-jy5qx They have bigfeet and hairy a$$ cracks. Piss them off and you'll be eaten or beaten.

[@AF_1892]

Grew up in Texas. Comanche county is a 45min drive away. Fun fact they have an old metal cage in front of the courthouse. Tell you what, the Comanche girls fastpitch softball team straight up slaughtered us. They are fiery scrappy fighters. Edit: my familys land is 150 acres, we rent out 80 more from a neighbor when we need more. Its a different place.

[@davidbrock4104]

Just think, 150 years ago, they would have slaughtered you for real.

[@w5glsgary919]

Comanches were fierce warriors that fought from horseback . It took decades for the Texas Rangers to change tactics and actually win battles. They were feared by all including Apaches and other tribes.

[@natureschild2000]

Highly skilled savagery and unrestrained cruelty is not a good accomplishment. It is something to be ended and ashamed of.

[@user-on3zq2nc7l]

I have had the privilege of speaking with a few of the pioneers and many of the children of the first settlers in the panhandle. Including a woman whose uncle was a cowboy, with a4 man crew on an old ranch . The Comanches tied him up , tortured the other 3 men to death- then castrated him and left him for dead.

[@Michorida]

@@user-on3zq2nc7lthey also roasted people alive above a fire sometimes it would take a full day to die

[@bellememorie]

Comanches were a significant part of the slave trade. The reason my people (Chiricahua Apache) feared them is because they would kidnap us and sell us, including my great great grandmother who lived in slavery from about the time she was 11 or 12 until adulthood. My great grandmother was born into slavery. This disconnected my maternal family from our culture. My grandmother taught my mom what she could. My sisters and I are thankfully reconnecting.

[@w5glsgary919]

@@bellememorie Sorry about that. I'm glad you and your sisters are able to reconnect.

[@f2mel2]

6:00 I often compare the "change" to a time machine. People who lived in the stone age met other people who were from the bronze age.

[@henryruiz1861]

Love you for this interview joe rogan get more people like this guy too teach us about history!!!!!

[@bionikball75]

Who saw him cough and checked to see if the date of this is within a year??lol.

[@joenichols3901]

Interesting how Palo Duro Canyon ended up in private hands so quickly but today its actually a state park. Definitely putting it on my backpacking list. I'd love to spend a night out there to know what the Comanche, rangers and settlers felt when they were there.

[@AtomicShamanTTS]

I heard the Comanche, Apache and Kiowa are on the same reservation in Oklahoma.

[@levibruce8322]

I’m from Minnesota and it truly makes me sad to see how awful our reservations are. Unfortunate that most of the money from casinos and walleye netting are kept within 10% of the population.

[@peaknonsense2041]

If one demands government to take care of them, reservations will be the norm.

[@TanisHalf-Elven]

So youre saying theyre molding you in the white mans image?

[@levibruce8322]

@@TanisHalf-Elven what are you talking about?

[@TanisHalf-Elven]

@@levibruce8322 10% of the population controls all the wealth and 90% do all the work and pay all the taxes.

[@levibruce8322]

@@TanisHalf-Elven that same 10% pays most the taxes. Socialism does t work. Capitalism is the reason that phone is in your hands. If you don't like it then go get a job.

[@bulletproofmullet5080]

Funniest thing in history is when a Roman general declared war on Poseidon and marched a army to the sea and they all stabbed the shit out of the water

[@rileyhaynes2515]

It was Caligula, the emperor

[@foolslayer9416]

Fuck off, that actually happened? That's hilarious!! (≧∇≦)

[@nolanblue1616]

I thought that was a myth.

[@ronolanda8654]

Noooo... was when Hank Johnson claimed Guam would tip over if we put more troops on the island. You can forgive those who lived in the past do to their ignorance.... Hank on the other hand....

[@cisco.moet.youtube]

Did you hear about Xerxes whipping the seas because it disobeyed him?

[@donelmore2540]

My family has a legend that we have Cherokee in our heritage. My grandmother used to travel between the Texas Panhandle and Oklahoma in a covered wagon to visit relatives. I’d love to be able to verify or disprove our Cherokee connection. I loved the book that inspired this video.

[@TheHorsechief]

😂

[@donelmore2540]

@@TheHorsechief A few weeks ago, I bought a book, “Bosque County, Land and People”. It mentions both my maternal grandmother (1880) and grandfather (1875) by name. It actually has a picture of my grandfather and all his brothers out by the barn. The family Cherokee connection is also mentioned. LOL!

[@trilliamogdlocog4986]

I'm comanche and my family is mostly in denver we will always be around no matter how hard folks try to erase us..

[@bufordmaddogtannen5164]

Go Redskins 💪

[@heyhey5712]

Joe looks half Cherokee, half fried burrito.

[@timfronimos459]

Noo he is in reality 1/3 lightbulb, 1/3 Mr Clean and 1/3 any product by Brunswick

[@chrisgarcia8592]

More like 50% elk, 25% DMT, 25% "what's really interesting/fascinating/crazy"

[@quetzelmedina3]

Lol

[@jopo7996]

I think the Comanches could get reservations. They'd probably have to call a few days in advance though.

[@venicebeachsportsnetwork6677]

Good Lord 😑

[@te9591]

Oh lol; I'm sure you're part indian.

[@mikejohnson7768]

Wow I feel triggered

[@SeleckPlays]

Adding this one to the list of Dad jokes, lol

[@te9591]

@@SeleckPlays it's not really that clever though.

[@captainamerica3531]

Fascinating

[@johnschuh8616]

No mention of the fact that after the Civil War, West Texas was the “province” of Comanche bands. Lubbock the largest West Texas city was not founded until the 1870s.

[@anunperfectcircle5399]

Ask how one family gained millions of acres of Texas land. King Ranch