The Problem With Jason in MultiVersus

Let's talk about Jason Vorhees in MultiVersus.

[@MockRockTalk]

Oh and also he's combo food and gets zoned out and his hitboxes don't work and-

[@who7111]

I still think it’s kinda dumb his machete, axe and bed all have hurt boxes on them. Makes things a lot less consistent on the character and his hitboxes less desirable than most for being a heavy sword character

[@tekwizwa]

@@who7111 THERES A HURTBOX ON HIS MACHETE?

[@who7111]

@@tekwizwa yes, it’s especially noticeable on fair, jab and up air. Makes him the size of a semi truck 😭

[@henriquecarballoaranha9100]

And he has no priority against anything 😭

[@bignutta8]

@@who7111 this is worse than mewtwo tail, at least you can justify a hurtbox on that. But a fucking machete?

[@ivrydice0954]

Slash Slash Walk is the funniest kill confirm of all time.

[@PrivateDaisy]

Iron Giant's grab into dash attack begs to differ

[@maxhadanidea]

@@PrivateDaisy where can i see this

[@henriquecarballoaranha9100]

As a Jason player I think its really funny that one of his best kill moves is just Jason leaving chat

[@mekiherring2088]

or even funnier, its not even confirmed if he can actually teleport

[@MMkillsINCTV]

@@mekiherring2088nah he definitely can. Literally every Friday 13th movie is evidence of that💀😂😂

[@Darkestsheltz]

​@mekiherring2088 pretty sure it's a reference to the game where he DEFINITELY can

[@-RandomStranger-]

​@@mekiherring2088 he could do it in Mortal Kombat X

[@TheFlame_Hawk]

​@@-RandomStranger-Mortal Kombat isn't part of Jason's canon

[@Bag_Head_Med]

The hit is from his shoulder turning

[@JaylBird]

He's cracked it

[@dashingrather]

How is this not obvious?

[@Bag_Head_Med]

@@dashingrather the person in the vid said there is no clear hitbox so in just pointing it out

[@Trench_Thumb]

Jason in MultiVersus takes me back to Jason in MkX with his Relentless variation, where he also had a teleport that made him terrifying

[@edfreak9001]

I don't get why the hitbox isn't on the mist exit instead. It'd make more sense as an actual attacking move and also work much better with his gameplan, making it actually generally useful for getting people playing lame far away from him. Then again he's an ultra-heavyweight in a (platform) fighting game trying to be competitive, him being bad is the intended design philosophy.

[@ivrydice0954]

Having a hitbox on it makes it a free kill confirm and edge guard setup, but I agree it should have some sort of protection when he leaves. It could get a hitbox, armor Anything really.

[@madestmadhatter]

I think its because in general gameplay it's hard to judge where he's going to pop out, so it's difficult to weaponize that, and then in pvp they gave you the "behind you" perk which makes it way too effective

[@hihi9434]

Oh yeah because a game about cartoons fighting needs to make sense😂

[@edfreak9001]

@@hihi9434 it needs to make some level of visual sense if you want the game to be good, at least, yes.

[@hihi9434]

@@edfreak9001 and it visually makes more sense that him turning his shoulder and shoulder checking you does something. Not just him literally stepping out of fog😂

[@wanderlustwarrior]

I'm not even playing this game and you pointing this out makes this bug me so much.

[@Moon-nk3co]

There seems to be a small yellow particle effect on his body when he enters the mist that I guess is meant to be your indicator? It’s not present when he walks out, so I suppose It might be like the Lucario Extreme Speed particle effect where it’s a blink and you’ll miss it.

[@muno]

he's popping his back :O

[@MockRockTalk]

I know there is, and it changes nothing whatsoever about my opinion lol. It indicates that there _is_ a hitbox but not why there _should_ be a hitbox.

[@DonforthDHC]

@@MockRockTalk Maybe the plug walk is just too powerful.

[@jstar3382]

Extreme speed doesn't work as a comparison. That move *looks* like an attack. This is just a dude turning

[@squedlly]

I think hat yellow particle effect is a hit effect, it doesn't seem to be present unless someone gets hit...

[@HorizonIncarnate]

It looks raw af.

[@insomniacnerd5592]

I don’t play this game, but now this bugs me so, so, so much. Readability is so important in games like this.

[@Sleepy_Cabbage]

People take readability in video games for granted so much

[@shrub8644]

It's funny and only confusing on the first time

[@flywatt6895]

This is only confusing the very first time it happens. Jason's "problem" is that he needs his hitboxes fixed on his other moves.

[@PuffballPlayz]

He literally shoulder checks you I think it’s funny

[@benjamingesinski9170]

I feel like Jason should get a new perk where his mist step does damage both when he enters and exits the fog.

[@timurtheking]

Wpuld basically make his mist behind you perk useless lol - but its not like his other perk choices r good

[@benjamingesinski9170]

@@timurtheking Maybe instead it put the hitbox when he exits the mist.

[@yu-sama]

​@@timurtheking it would depend on what you want, like WW with her 3 perks that make lazo do different things

[@conorcrawford8311]

His best perk rn is 5 percent anyways ​@@timurtheking

[@madestmadhatter]

No, that would break him in pvp, they'd have to disable right behind you, because I can and would spam the hell out of that

[@28mafiapaintball83]

He give u a shoulder check to make sure you about it😂

[@nolansundell]

So true when I first started playing jason I thought it was a Perry

[@soulcyclone360]

The hit grab idea is so much better, and giving Jason a grab of any kind would be so fitting.

[@madestmadhatter]

His forward combo and up speacil both grab

[@CJ-ln5ov]

I ran into this weird glitch where my character’s model got stuck INSIDE Jason’s model. He was still able to damage me, but I couldn’t move and he couldn’t knock me away. When he tried to SD, the glitch did not wear off. Across two matches, he was forced to throw me free wins because I was leading both times. Oh, but that’s not the worst part. The worst part was that I was getting mad at people for trashing on Velma, so I started to play her out of spite and was actually doing a good job and having fun. Thus, I was furious about the glitch because I was cheated out of two honest wins.

[@b4ckwoodbilly]

*_When you just NEED to complain about something everyone else understands._*

[@whotfisaidan]

honestly i think of it as just one of those fighting game moves that go unexplained. honestly kinda funny that it's a true combo from his jab too

[@DaltonIzHere]

I like the idea of him doing some kind of spin slash as he fades into the fog and is winding down after he leaves, so the damaging part of his attack is over when he leaves. That would fix the problem, I think.

[@elmoloco6131]

Lets put it like jason is a space marine clashing with you, he is built.

[@omarshady4891]

its a shoulder bump and it doesnt hurt u when he gets out because he transforms from to his normal pose again

[@greatestever6557]

Shouldn’t do damage initially but if it was a comand grab at the end location that would be so cool

[@solar3931]

the reason the start hits is he shoulder checks you. when he steps back in, its just him appearing. but it deff feels odd to not do dmg when appearing.

[@madmikefollower6939]

Its his shoulder

[@RyanStansberry]

He shoulder checks you, that's the hit

[@robberofjacks2072]

As a poser want to be LeBron Main (i actually think he's my most played) I went several matches, fighting several Jason's and never knowing his mist step was a hitbox. I was just avoiding both the start of the portal and the end of it with basketballs.

[@AblothTheDemigod]

It’s because he uses his shoulder to hit as you can see him turn and he hits them but when he walks out, he’s just walking out and then he turns without any force to see what he is looking at. So the answer to your question, what has a hit box is because of his shoulder

[@LivingDewCrew]

I think the move would make more sense if he knocks you down, like he’s stepping on you

[@darkursrike3161]

Let's say theres a hypothetic train that moves at slow walking speed, and it fits perfectly into a tunnel, theres not enought space between the tunel and the train to even fit a coin, also the front of the train is perfectly flat, and it will just, push you. Now, imagine the there's two people in said tunnel, one at the beigining, and one at the end, both of them have half their body in the trayectory of the train, and the other half out. What body will be ripped in two, the one at the beigining? Or the one at the end?

[@Chebe_Vidya]

I feel the same with jokers up special. The balloon.

[@AwesomeMooseSmile]

That move has ZERO reason to be as powerful as it is....... it's a balloon

[@jmurray1110]

Maybe the exit mist should have a stun effect line bugs but shorter to set up for better follow ups

[@idimentio9317]

I get the gripe but after getting hit by it 2-3 times you get the point

[@dronekisser72648]

as a jason player they did my boy so dirty

[@Mystery-z6q]

Guys in the movies be teleports he just teleporting not walking

[@jayisokay6975]

That’s just Clairen’s F Special from Rivals

[@cupobeans503]

I honestly thought the weird walk hitbox was a counter for the first couple days of the game

[@volcanicviper5984]

imagine showing this move to someone that doesnt play multiversus. what kind of move would they think it is?

[@gabcard2767]

Feels like a case of sacrificing readability for funcion. Not sure how they could communicate it better honestly. His exit should definetly have SOME effect tho, either a hitbox, a stun, or at least give him armor. Feels so weird that it foes nothing whatsoever.

[@gummygamer396]

This commentator sounds familiar- who is it ?

[@kncoal7845]

It's the super shoulder check bro

[@squedlly]

They tried to make Zelda up B and made reverse Meta Knight down B

[@Bilgan09]

Because it’s funny

[@genotheskeleton6258]

He is a 6'5 walking zombie with mommy issues and has come back to life on numerous occasions, but THIS is too unrealistic?

[@nejchrovat2685]

It's like people don't even play the game. The move is only used as a recovery and a combo filler/kill move. You are not meant to do it RAW, hence it doesn't require a good hitbox indication, since you will mostly use it in jab jab teleport. It also doesn't make sense for the end of the teleport to have a hit box since then his recovery is THE safest in the game. Even morty that has a similar recovery tool.

[@PlushChie]

What about people that don't play the game? What is a casual that's playing this game for the first time supposed to think when they play against this character and just die to nothing? If they spam it on neutral like any casual does then to their opponent it becomes a super strong kill move that is unpredictable as it just looks like walking.

[@thunderzbcgaming3683]

They take damage from jason going out of the 2d plain

[@MasterChef1957]

Nah let him keep his walk its way to funny to change

[@ManicsVideos]

As a jason main who plays mostly 1v1. I just don't understand how superman and WW have so many moved with super armor . And all jason has is his rage, if they're gonna give him so much start up on damn near every move they gotta do something else.

[@eliyomama]

Because Superman is a literal beefcake alien man and WW is God.

[@ManicsVideos]

@eliyomama and jason is literally a unkillable force a nature. Who is known can eat through damn near everything.

[@Bigparr43]

I'm going to argue that this is a balance thing. The initial hit does a lot of damage (as is consistent with his kit), but at low percentage, it would be extremely easy to combo into both the initial and exit hit, making him overpowered. I understand your issues with the move itself though. It would make more sense for it to be more of a command grab where he brings you into the pocket dimension and throws you after leaving

[@ivymoon5084]

That's funny talking about balance in this game at all, especially regarding Jason. The most powerful attacks mean nothing when Amy character cam counter them all by using any of their own attacks. Jason's doesn't need an extended box to nerf him, he needs a sma buff in manuverability I love the idea with the portal taking your enemy and spitting them put tho that's dope

[@NickAbner]

Does.i5 matter

[@takeOnlyGreatness]

Hey man. Thinking a little too deeply about this shit, don't you reckon?

[@knowsage2429]

Who wastes their life thinking about this ,let alone making a video about this ,let alone liking this

[@madestmadhatter]

It's annoying how sometimes he'll just stand there after coming out of it sometimes, for a while I thought it was a punishment for spamming it, but then one match it happened the first time I used it, I wasn't even transitioning into a special, he just waited to get hit, like what's the point of a move that lets them hit you? Also platforms, I fucking hate the platforms, miststep is supposed to a. Launch him forwards, or b. Place him behind the oponent, I should not be getting stuck on the godforbidden platforms when I used. Also, also, where is the Invulnerability window, I've been full tilt and got knocked out of it, hits should only happen when the mist appears and when Jason turns to the side, his back being turned is the damage window! Why would you be able to hit hom in the dame window! He's do slow charging up his speacils snd even his regular attacks, setting his back turned to being Invulnerabile wouldn't make him broken.

[@zenvoltage4046]

You can attack out of the special that's why there isn't a hit box and it can be and normal air move it's not bad you're bad.

[@joethemusickidrivera8502]

I also thought it was weird but i honestly dont care

[@ChozenShorts]

No no no no no no no no no Jason is perfectly balanced 😂😂😂 don’t give PFG any ideas. They need to nerf Finn’s up special recovery if anything cuz that dude doesn’t even have to wait to spam that damn backpack into a zero to death combo.

[@ZzigZaG00NIN]

stinky fog

[@acid2824]

you think its reasonable for jason to do damage coming out of the teleport? Okay so use his ability to spawn by enemies... that means he could use the teleport at any time for a guaranteed hit on the opponent.

[@MockRockTalk]

That's literally not what I said at all lol

[@acid2824]

@@MockRockTalk "Why doesnt it hurt when hes stepping out of the fog" hm

[@KingOfAquilonia]

problem with jason is he is absolute cheeks lol

[@NecBul]

This is not the problem, the problem is the jab hitbox, i can't even start my %90 of my jab attacks without using neutural Specials.

[@MarvelsScreamSimp]

God these videos have some of the most forced, nonsensical, downright non-existent complaints I've ever seen for a videogame

[@BleedingFazos]

This is such a nitpick about nothing Jason has actual problems and the topic is his only movement option?

[@MockRockTalk]

This is the topic of the Short clipped from a 45 minute review, yes

[@eliyomama]

I hate this move. Everyone spams it.

[@Cattledecap4life]

This is a dumb nitpick

[@Millertimez16]

This is INSANELY nit picky holy hell

[@deantebritton]

Game is trash

[@Universalbeing0]

This game is pure garbage. NASB2 is far better! Love wave dashing 😂

[@666blaziken]

Melee Zelda and sheik's up b has a hitbox on the first hit but not the 2nd, but at least the animation is better than Jason's

[@_Tygon_]

I mean it's not really better, pretty much the same shit

[@theperians]

Thats melee, they obviously changed it in future games

[@666blaziken]

@@theperians yes, but I'm being pedantic, mock rock said it's rare to see a teleport that works like that and I just wanted to point out that this happened to Zelda and sheik.

[@dc_dachi]

I think the difference here is that Sheik's Vanish is an obvious explosion, followed by the character reappearing in a small puff of smoke. The explosion clearly looks, like it should hurt, and the smoke not so much. I'd say the move's function is clearly communicated by that animation. The problem MockRock is trying to get at isn't the function of the move, but the form. Jason slowly disappearing into fog and slowly reappearing out of fog has no discernible difference, so the fact that the first part has a hit and the second doesn't is confusing. I'll give you Zelda's though, that move looks like it should probably have a hitbox on the end of it. That said, in Melee, Zelda disappearing has a very colorful and prominent particle effect, and her reappearing is again, a tiny puff of smoke. There is a visual language on these teleports, where flashy particle effect = damage, puff of smoke = no damage.

[@LinktoSonic]

Melee's also a 23 year old game that was never designed to be competitive whatsoever. What's Multiversus's excuse?

[@toucansam_snap]

Ok now explain jigglypuffs rest