The Problem with Modern Education, According to Montaigne

[@AleadaA]

Beware of propaganda - define your terms - what is Virtue - what do you mean by Virtue - what is the teachers meaning of Virtue - an open dialogue is so needed in the educational system today!

[@timnicolas1987]

Faith, hope, charity, fortitude, prudence, justice, temperance. Then all the subvirtues under those.

[@StarlasAiko]

Ambition, Courage, Discipline, Independence, Integrity, Creativity, Nobility

[@lauriehartley9808]

Love

[@timnicolas1987]

Montaigne was Catholic. The structure of virtues are well known, and you can find a ton of writings on them.

[@Thewonderingminds]

@@timnicolas1987 The real issue is on application, *knowing a priory the unseen end result and not just the notion of advertised virtuosity.*

[@armorbearer9702]

(2:00) I get his train of thought. Knowledge is power. Giving them knowledge without virtue can end up creating a monster.

[@asdisskagen6487]

Most of the members of the WEF have received an extensive education and are extremely knowledgeable, but completely devoid of virtue.

[@stoicepictetus3875]

Thank you. Reflecting on one's values is a virtue. Most of us should do that more. Studying Montaigne is very worthwhile and helps to be a grown up in this world.

[@BenGeorge77]

I wish there were a modern Plutarch--with a focus on the virtues and vices.

[@peterclark6290]

A child can begin the literacy journey before school. The simplest way is to read those well-thumbed bedtime texts with a finger tracking the words to develop an organic understanding of what the individual symbols (letters) represent AND to pass on the reliability of the method. Then introduce the alphabet and numbers in an equally playful way until the questions come. They will come. Any child knows at some point they are a trainee adult and needs to have those skills. Moderate the praise, they get a shot of dopamine, serotonin just by trying and succeeding. Dad jokes introduces them to self-restraint, logic and morality as tools worth having. Common sense is developed by unassisted free play, age-ready materials and tools to follow. Love them.

[@gray_mara]

According to my parents, I could read before I was 2, just from following along. I still recognise words more by pattern recognition than sounding them out, which possibly isn't a great way of learning English spelling anyway. I don't recall a time that I didn't love books. Children learn so much from their parents. One of my friend's daughters literally took her first steps to get her Mom's cell phone. She knew, even as a baby, what adults value.

[@peterclark6290]

@@gray_mara My two boys at 3-4 y.o. (must be slow learners - joke) had learned the stories by rote I suspect. They weren't 'reading' as much as remembering. But it's a start. The true value was developing the enjoyment of humans sharing stories and information through the printed word. The very best of luck with your brood.

[@Supahpowahnerd890]

The Ignatian Pedagogical Paradigm is excellent for these reasons. It focuses on both the development of personal, virtuous character and comprehensive, critical intellect.

[@asdisskagen6487]

This is very timely! I am just beginning my collection of classic literature (living books) with the intent of providing a home education to my grandchildren in the next few years. I have Montaigne's works contained within the "Great Books of the Western World" series I recently acquired so I will move his books towards the top of my list of "TO BE READ." Thank you!

[@intelligencecube6752]

There is so much to be said about the quality of education in society as it stands today. It’s always been a give and take over what should be emphasized and what should be left to the wayside, but I find what Montaigne wrote to be enlightening. Partially because I’ve heard similar before, but I agree that It’s more about the quality of education than the “quantity”. We have a significant problem today with giving “more” education, without much of an explanation of “why”, and I find what Montaigne has said to be succinct in getting to the root of the problem. Very well done, ThinkingWest 👍

[@rabirajthapa451]

Great words of Wisdom. Thanks a lot.

[@klosnj11]

While I completely appreciate someone taking the time to bring the works of Montaigne to the modern light, this video really gives a feel that is at odds with Montaigne. The stuffy harpsichord, the slow pacing, the analytical dragging along...this is not what reading Montaigne is like at all! It feels more like you are talking about Locke or Montesque. Montaigne was downright hilarious. In one portion of his writing on education he says that if you cant get a student to move away from silly story books and into more substantaive real world things by a certain age, the only cure is to choke him to death when no one is looking. He constantly (and knowingly) contradicts himself and questions his own view on everything. He is often crass, not shy about talking about anything that may be considered taboo, and is self depricating like no one else. The greatest value in his works, to me, is the vast references and quotes laced within his works. Playwrights, poets, historians, philosophers, generals, kings, mythical figures, all that I had never heard of gave me a jumping off point to learn about so much just so I could catch his references and know whom he was quoting. Again, I appreciate his work being talked about, but I would much rather his works be read than merely discussed. And I feel you missed the opportunity to show people why they should read his Essays.

[@fleskenialation]

Do you have any book suggestions that compile his essays?

[@ivanivan2390]

The constant need for independent thinking and proof might be the reason why technical education and technical sciences have got so much ahead of humanities today, which in their turn tend to become a tool of indoctrination in many places around the world.

[@CorporateSycophant]

Screens are great, if used correctly. Books are great, if used correctly.

[@jamesgordley5000]

If Montaigne saw what passes for “educated” today… 😬

[@rusmeister7144]

Discover GK Chesterton and you will get a lot of what Montaigne was talking about.

[@gray_mara]

What a magnificent mind that man had!

[@Oudeis000]

Montaigne rightly warns that knowledge without virtue is dangerous. Today too many subscribe to Scientism believing technology to be the height of knowledge and a substitute for wisdom. Since we have the greatest technological knowledge of all time, they wrongly believe we are the most advanced and enlightened age. Technology focuses on the material, not the transcendent: the good, the true, and the beautiful. Thus, our scientific age has wrought not only the greatest material benefits but also the worst moral outrages from genocides and weapons of mass destruction to the massacre of countless unborn innocents and the growth of totalitarianism through the power of technology.

[@ted1045]

If I had children one of the first books I'd probably turn to would be the Book of Virtues and Aesop's Fables.

[@damnedmadman]

Thank you for your work to rediscover these lost treasures of wisdom.

[@LearnCompositionOnline]

Excellent. Absolutely my way

[@jrandazzo82]

What was that piece of art with the circles?

[@dleetr]

It's egalitarian to believe you can teach virtue. A cultural shift towards an imposition of virtue, would help impose.upon the formulations which run the lives of the mechanical learners , the rote learners, some values we would like them to uphold, I suppose. Because they think in flow charts. But for better or for worse, the mean morality of a culture can influence behaviour and ultimately without a moral genstock, teaching virtue will only render lip service from the servants of vice. Pretty words from the purveyors of sin. The genstock forms that means of behaviour. Thus the difference between Mumbai and Athens or Athens and Hamburg.

[@dleetr]

This stated, you correct for society's detritus influencing the moral growth of your own children and accelerate their learning, by home schooling. 100% behind closing down these State sanctioned retardation and arrested development camps.

[@faithlesshound5621]

A child can learn facts, up to a point, as well as or better than an adult, but judgement depends on their developmental age. Adolescents start off blindly following rules such as "Don't break anything" before they can make sense of "In case of emergency, break glass" and then work out on their own when other rules need to be broken.

[@AndrewGraziani-k7d]

Watch any given commercial today, and Critical Thinking will likely debunk it. Political, product, and service, it doesn't matter. And that is not what the powers that be want. Just educated enough to perform our jobs but not enough to think for ourselves.

[@andrewbidwell6421]

I love we have videos talking about how terrible education is while not pointing out that the biggest issue is that it’s a complete money pit. How are you supposed to make adaptable education while satisfying companies like McGraw-Hill? And don’t even get me started on funding which is one of the lowest of all the government’s yearly budget programs. We spend 1/11 the money on ed. That we do on defense! How the heck are we supposed to work these fancy new gadgets the defense department pays billions for if we’re too stupid to push the power button?

[@Leif3GHP]

Is this a reupload?

[@resurrectingand]

Good video.

[@TheNoblot]

the thing about history is that takes more than a historical course to understand it most know history only a few understand it 🤔🌎🕎do you understand it🤔🏦✡🤔🪐🏔

[@JohnFDonovan-by1nt]

The question for our society is what do you mean by virtue? While Montaigne had the stress of living in a very quarrelsome theological environment, in spite of the Reformation these was a basic agreement on what constituted virtue in the Judeo Christian sense.This in the multicultural West is dead. As a former teacher I saw the free exchange of ideas disappear because of ideology. Ask for critical thinking on any of the "hot"button issues and you were bound to offend and be called to the office to explain. It was so much safer for conservative teachers to stick to a dry recitation of the facts. Liberal teachers were much freer in this regard because the woke brigade had their backs and everyone know if you offended the woke brigade they made a lot of noise. I live in the very fundamentalist blue book thumping liberal north. I imagine the same could be said of the conditions in the Bible belt. Neither geographical area or either extreme is conducive to education in this sense.

[@RoniiNN]

True

[@coeruleum7563]

Check out Wilhelm von Humboldt. I think he's a better model of education.

[@ThinkingWest]

Will do!

[@SwatantraNandanwar]

Oo much emphasis on individualism and not enough on cooperation. Thats teamwork for the uninitiated.

[@He_Shall_Reign_Unto_TheAges]

Also a great read relating to this: 'Nihilism: Root Of the Revolution' by Fr. Seraphim Rose.

[@Supahpowahnerd890]

I love that book as well, I have passages of much of his work committed to memory: "What more realistically is this 'mutation', this 'new' man? He is the rootless man, discontinuous with a path that nihilism destroyed, the raw material of every demagogue's dream, the 'free thinker' and skeptic, closed only to the truth but open to each new intellectual fashion because he himself has no intellectual foundation, the 'seeker' after some 'new revelation', ready to believe anything new because true faith has been annihilated in him, the planner and experimenter, worshiping 'fact' because he has abandoned truth, seeing the world as a vast laboratory where he is free to determine what is 'possible'. The nihilist is the 'autonomous' man, pretending to modestly ask for 'rights', yet full of the vanity that expects everything to be given to him in a world where nothing is authoritatively forbidden. The nihilist is the man of the moment, without conscience or values and therefore at the mercy of the strongest stimulus, the 'rebel' hating all constraint and authority because he himself is his one and only 'god', the 'mass man', this new barbarian, thoroughly 'reduced' and 'simplified', capable of only the most elementary of knowledge and predictable of ideas, yet scornful of anyone who presumes to point out the higher things." Root of the Revolution is one of his most accessible books. He has among the best perspectives on Guenon.

[@LouBasques1423]

@Supahpowahnerd890 A Demagogue has indeed lived their dream & is now trying to bring down a nation if they can not have their way.

[@HariPrasad-uy9dj]

Montaigne lived in the 16th century, not the 18th as shown in the picture. He was a humanist, like Shakespeare (or whoever wrote the plays), influenced by the Renaissance and its revival of classical learning. Looking to the past only helps to some extent. We live in a very different world where corporations make commodities out of people, process them as workers (part-time, on contract, or even in full-time employment), consumers, and masses of data from spying on them to produce huge profits for a few. Power and wealth are unequally distributed not because of the lack of virtue, but because of ideology, propaganda, and the ability of the very rich and corporations to name and buy judges, own politicians, cut their own taxes, reduce spending on the poor and the middle-class. Preaching to Elon Musk, Miriam Adelson, Donald Trump, Koch, Mercer, Leo Leonard, Clarence Thomas, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, Josh Hawley, Rupert Murdoch, will get nowhere. They are not interested in virtue, but in power and money - even at the cost of everybody else and the planet as a whole. The path to a better world isn't in philosophy spread to the masses, it's in changing the structures of power through organization.

[@bogdanpopescu1401]

you are crazy

[@gjdsilva2003]

Applies very much to India

[@Thewonderingminds]

Yep yep yep metamodern education! Can you imagine anything more palpable example than this thoughtful info presentation in conjunction with the unbearable piano banging in the *foreground* ???

[@SARodriguez-kw7wl]

We are educated to be slaves 😂. That's the problem. 😢

[@Miss.Denise94]

[@johnlaudenslager706]

A good education would lead to doubt about the pronouncements of priests and politicians. It would condone admitting not knowing about things like how and why life began. It would be especially critical and intolerant of advertising. Leading would be more difficult.

[@Garren-kx2jg]

first

[@onethatcansee-theredpill-8733]

Jesus Christ is lord. turn to Him he's the only way to be saved. Love you all. GBY.

[@AleadaA]

Jesus Christ is Virtue - Jesus Christ is Wisdom! Amen!

[@Piya-n2b]

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[@andrewharris3900]

Gayest video I’ve ever watched. Schools need to teach science, mathematics, logic. Parents need to teach values. Problem with schools today is that they are prioritising teaching nonsense values over facts.

[@thouston53]

In what way is the video gay?

[@WhyteVintageWine]

Maybe he means the original meaning? Good question.