The Problem with The Halloween Reboot Trilogy (2018-2022)

The Halloween Reboot Franchise is smashing box office records and tanking in reviews. But is the follow up franchise to the best slasher film of all time worth or watching or any good. Lets discuss.
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[@spookyartist1166]

It’s a shame because this trilogy started off so strong and and fell flat on its face, recently I watched the original Halloween 2 and despite some flaws It’s a solid sequel

[@Jack-rk7jc]

Because I don't think it was ever meant to be a trilogy. Originally the writers said they thought about making two movies, a part 1 and a part 2, but they seemed content about reducing it to just one, also soft-confirming 2018 was all they had in the bag. Then the movie comes out, it's a huge success, and they offered the opportunity to make a trilogy, banking off an already successful reboot/ sequel. But since they already condensed so much of what they wanted to do in 2018, it seems they had no other ideas to work with. Because kills and ends feels so incidental and insignificant and random. Like they just strung together a plot overnight.

[@mtb5431]

Halloween truly feels doomed to always repeat the same cycle: it has one hit sequel (H4,H20) only to be followed up with garbage sequels (H5,H6,Resurrection) after it makes a ton of money. Admittedly I don’t think Kills or Ends were nearly as bad as the other bad sequels but I wish 2018 had just been a stand-alone.

[@Treblaine]

John Carpenter said he wrote Halloween 2 in a week while perpetually drunk and said he hated it... Still better than any sequel anyone else has come up with in 40 years.

[@volbound1700]

@@mtb5431 I agree, 4 and H20 are alright sequels. The issue with Halloween franchise is that it totally got away with what made 1 so great. One trait of Halloween 1 was to have less kills and violence and more suspense with the killer. It seems like Halloween franchise went in opposite direction and became Friday the 13th.

[@h2oguy740]

@Potato Joe Whaaaat i mean if you compare it to the remakes or the Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2021 Sequel , the 2018 movie is good

[@Luncea28]

Fun Fact: There isn't CGI for Loomis in Halloween Kills. It's actually all practical. They noticed that set construction coordinator Tom Jones Jr. looked an awful lot like Loomis and had a makeup artist work on him to nail the look. Then Colin Mahan did the voice.

[@Crinbo]

I don’t think I buy that it’s all practical in the final product. It does look good, especially far away, but there’s still a weird digital smoothness to the closeup shot. I’d be shocked if there weren’t some slight CGI corrections to the prosthetic. If it IS 100% practical, then props to DGG for making a completely practical effect look like CGI. That’s gotta be worth something.

[@amityislandchum]

Incorrect. While Tom Jones Jr. DOES look a lot like Donald Pleasance, they used both makeup AND CGI to finish the look.

[@AndreasFunnell]

@Patrick Coyle "WHAT HAPPENED IN HE'EEE?" It was so bad lmao, why couldn't they get an actual English person to do the voice?

[@pikeflowed]

Tom Jones jr ??? ok dude, its not unusual...:P

[@paulinegallagher7821]

@Patrick Coyle it sounds so put on, BUT if you watch the later movies with Donald, you see will see that his voice and mannerisms did get more hammy and exaggerated.

[@timmcconnell1162]

Michael Myers in 78 played with his victims. He wasn’t gruesome or bloody. He was psychological, physical, and terrifying. He played cat and mouse. He taunted Annie- the flower pot, laundry room, car. He kept inserting himself into Laurie’s day once she stepped on his porch. But purposely kept himself hidden from her until there were no others left. The new movies were just bloody, brutal, and lost.

[@EverythingandNothingTV]

Based asf take. I do feel like Michael lost his intelligence in favor of brutality. But he does kill a lot of people in some pretty smart and fucked how ways in the new one. But I agree the reason why the first one worked so well was because of how psychologically fucked he was when killing. The lack of gore was due to budget constraints but like the original Jaws (Shark animatronic did not work) it left more to the viewers imagination making it so much scarier. So long grammar mistake filled rant short I completely agree with that.

[@gaetano5669]

@@EverythingandNothingTV I feel like they were eventually competing with Jason and had to keep up with the body count

[@chriswright6245]

I watched Halloween 6 and then kills. Any tension gave way to brutal and preposterous kills that took you out of it quite fast. The fear on the og came from him playing with his prey like smashing the pot to scare Annie. Also the scary thing in the first Halloween was that Annie and Linda etc were likeable. You knew he was out there and your mind scared you as your imagination runs away. Kills was daft, everyone who liked it just commented about how 'brutal' Michael is. It's like a parody of itself. The best way to reboot it may be to set it in the 80s and have documentary makers on his tale interviewing people that think they've seen him or who have had their lives ruined by him. Keep him in the background to the final act! Make the kills and Michael's abilities more understated, instead replacing it with dramatic tension, make Michael a weird creepy guy again. Don't get me started on him stood alone in a sewer for 4 years either. I always thought of him going to ground and doing what Bundy did, living in holiday homes or even taking over someone's home like deranged cuckoo, just very sinister.

[@chriswright6245]

Or alternatively you could have something about detectives trying to find him, how would they investigate him? The sheriffs seemed unable to deal with him as they were just geared up to deal with naughty teenagers acting out. What was the manhunt like after, what was effect on the town? Ends was a wasted opportunity and it went into a silly direction. They should stay away from his origins. He is scariest when the professionals can't explain his evil and they are totally unprepared like the space truckers from Alien

[@jtjimenez05]

I agree, that suspense was the recipe to such a classic movie.

[@icemav5740]

Tbh I think Halloween 1978 and Halloween 2018 are a perfect duology. They work so well together and is the perfect revenge story. That being said, Halloween 1978 and Halloween 2 also work incredibly well together, but for different reasons

[@erauprcwa]

Agreed. I also think, if done right. They could've kept 1978, 1981, H20, and 2018 all in line with each other. Take the paramedic story from 'Resurrection', which would be the reason why Laurie becomes what she does in 2018. Replace Karen with John, but keep Allison, has his daughter. Give a backstory of Allison being John and Molly's (Michelle Williams) daughter, but due to the trauma of H20 and the paramedic, she couldn't get over said trauma and committed suicide. This could've been a great reason why John and Laurie become estranged. John blames Laurie for Molly's death. (LOL I tried my best to rewrite ENDS in my mind because it was so bad)

[@themadrapper101]

Hell f'n no.. Perfect duology is the original and it's original sequel Halloween II. It's official now that even the Thorn Trilogy was better than the new trilogy which cost over 100 million more dollar's to make and these new movies made way more money in the age of social media Michael Myers became the Santa Claus of Halloween. 2018 isn't the flawless classic people claim it is. It has some Halloween 5ish cringe and humor in there too.. Donald Pleasence presence alone in the old movies gave it a vibe these new films were missing. And they took the family plot away which was the best way to go after the original. For decades Michael was known to go after his family and anybody in his way then it became all about Jamie Lee Curtis. There's A LOT of new fans and the franchise is more popular than ever and most of these new fans find 2018 to be a classic, and Halloween 3 and the first one to be the only 5 star movie's while Kills and H20 are close.. They don't know who Danielle Harris or Jamie Loyd is lol. I feel bad for Halloween II even getting buried now days because of how overrated 2018 is.

[@IWasaTeenageTeenWolf]

Thankfully Halloween 2 is getting the most merchandise out of any of the movies. For some reason the rights to anything connected to 1978 is a nightmare to get ahold of, and Chris Nelson refuses to have the flashback mask in Kills reproduced (which is the closest we'll get to see the '78 mask in its pristine state.) So instead Halloween 2 gets the merch. And it's awesome for anyone who loves that sequel. XD

[@lukegrim3858]

Halloween 2 was kinda bad imo. Story-wise it's fine but as far as actual watchability it's like 6/10 for me lol

[@erauprcwa]

@@lukegrim3858 I like it because it continues the night...

[@magicvoice31]

If Halloween 2018 was just a 1 shot and he had burned up in the cellar I would've been completely satisfied but greed spewed out the other 2 sequels...so now I'm back to my own "original" conclusion that Mike & Loomis blew up in that Hospital in 1981...and I'm cool with that 🎃

[@caponevelez5432]

Same

[@blinderII]

....was just here thinking the same thing. Considering the plot lines of Kills and Ends, it easily could/should have ended with Halloween 2018.

[@magicvoice31]

@@blinderII It just came to me...when I walked outta the theater in 2018 I had zero clue there was going to be a trilogy...so if you simply accept the end to Halloween 2018 & not acknowledge "kills or ends" you have a satisfying end....let the other 2 sequels be some "Bizarro world fucked up timeline" Problem solved 🙃

[@blinderII]

@@magicvoice31 ..agree 100%...haha

[@blinderII]

@@magicvoice31 ...i have to say, though, the only thing i didn't like about Halloween 2018 was that they abandoned the notion that Michael and Laurie were brother and sister. I always felt that plot was intersting and it gave a justified reason for the entire story line. Oh well. 🤷‍♂

[@lordlaughypants5889]

I think Kills and Ends should have been flipped. Kills would be Michael-less with Corey seeming to be the new evil as it would seem Michael is dead and evil needs a vessel, but then Michael shows up and starts all over again. Ends would be the town going crazy and eventually killing Michael.

[@905productions]

I mentioned this that would have made way more sense. Essentially, Halloween Kills was always a filler to what was supposed to be the epic conclusion in Halloween Ends. Had they introduced Corey in the other two films and saw his character eventually become this may have helped a tad. Personally, I don't believe in any universe I would have liked what we got with Halloween Ends, but at the bare minimum I could have accepted it had it they flipped the movies or waited to do the Corey storyline in a completely new franchise/trilogy.

[@shawklan27]

@@905productions word

[@aultra-magawhostandsagains7974]

@@905productions I loved “Halloween Kills” and I rewatched Ends and it’s decent,but it’s not even close to the other two. However I saw 2018 in theaters as well and thought it was decent. I thought Halloween Kills was just a better film,and I could watch it anyday,before I gave H2018 a chance. Cringy humor was in H2018 including this crazy doctor subplot to guide Myers to Laurie’s house. Then Allison’s Dad dies with no one even caring! Let’s not forget the sandwich scene with the cops. Granted H2018 certainly had a lot of good to it,but HKILLS not only raised the stakes,but showed emotion for characters who died. Allison’s boyfriend for example is not a blank slate in HKILLS and it’s also cool that this is Lonney’s son. Michael is very scary in HKILLS as well ,and I also like the fact an angry mob are hunting him down to kill him. Needless to say I love the movie a lot! H:ENDS should have been on the same night as the other two! In the extended cut of HKILLS Laurie gets a phone call of screams from her daughter after dying! Laurie picks up the same knife and goes out to hunt Michael down and then it cuts to black and white showing a still image of the knife again. This is what H:ENDS should have been!

[@asanitheafrofuturist]

That would have been better then the cluster fuck they gave us for sure

[@kitgusto2390]

It didn’t need to be a trilogy. Should have been 2018 and Ends. Change the ending of Ends though, Michael should have just died unceremoniously in the sewer as Corey becomes the new evil.

[@bumblefritz]

The best part of this movie is Laurie. I really like her in this one. Although it doesn't make sense... She has a lust for revenge for 40 years while Michael is locked up. Then after he kills a bunch of other people including her daughter and escapes, she decides to move on with life. It makes absolutely no sense.

[@caponevelez5432]

Yes Halloween ends made no sense if would have made more sense if she had the 2018 house in ends after he killed her daughter, the daughters husband and countless others. Then she just moves on with her life while he is still on the loose. That whole movie made no sense.

[@peterock42]

Well she's executive producer and has creative control so her parts were to make herself look good and do Michael myers dirty in his own franchise can't believe it but it's all true it was revenge on moustapha Akkad for h20

[@JurassicProductions]

I took it as since she figured out she didn’t matter to Michael at all in Kills, that was probably a pretty good wake up call. That and she was mainly putting it aside so she could be there for Allyson since Karen and Ray are gone.

[@craftingranger7552]

@@JurassicProductions that's what I thought. Him being only on a random path which she only found out in Kills towards the end.

[@DrGregoryHouseIT]

The only reason possible is she might've gone full sunshine and rainbows because she believes that it was her gung-ho attitude about MM that led up to Karen being killed and she doesn't want to repeat the mistake with Allyson...

[@desertfox738]

One of my biggest eye rolls in Ends was when the old black lady was somehow alive. She got a fluorescent light shoved through her neck, no way she wouldn’t have drowned in her own blood or bled out. Honestly I thought the 2018 one was a nice ending and had a great showdown between Laurie and Michael. Also loved the tracking shots when Michael was walking through the neighborhood killing people when he first got out.

[@cloudnein8114]

Why you smiling for?

[@matthewennis3591]

At this point I just like to think Michael was shot off that balcony and disappeared into the night. Everything else is a what if

[@Kind_Reaper]

That's how I've been taking it. I really do feel like Halloween should've been a one and done thing.

[@paulsmith8510]

Are you saying he never participated in a reality TV show with Tyra Banks and Busta Rhymes?! 😂

[@IAmDaDumb1]

I feel like H20 did the whole "traumatized Laurie" thing in a much more believable and realistic way. She's traumatized and it obviously affects her ability to fully live her life, but she was still able to have SOME semblance of a life outside of thinking out Michael literally 24/7. She rationally knew that there was PROBABLY nothing to worry about but couldn't let go of the POSSIBILITY that the danger could always come back without warning, which I'll be damned if that's not the most realistic portrayal of PTSD this series (or really any major slasher horror series I can think of) has shown.

[@paulduncan789]

I absolutely agree with you on this.

[@holyfreakinshit]

Ditto to this. I find 2018 to be a better film than H20, but Laurie was handled better in H20

[@iamV10010]

Agreed.

[@allieboy181]

Agreed the way Laurie acts in 2018 is someone who has ran into a killer that’s also her brother in multiple movies. But them not being related in this timeline and her only surviving him once on Halloween night of 1978, makes her irrational fear of him coming back just to get her make no sense

[@paulduncan789]

@@allieboy181 Yes, thank you!!! Halloween 2018 ignores the sequels but trades on the notoriety Myers has (both in the movie universe and in real life pop culture) largely due to the sequels. As harrowing an ordeal as what Laurie went through in the first film alone, I am not convinced that she would be so traumatized and paranoid 40 years later as a result. Basically she survived an attempted knife attack, happens all the time here in London. And the guy was in prison, no reason to think he'll escape again or have any interest in you.

[@aidenmorreyvoiceactor]

I personally really liked Halloween Kills. It was exactly what the title offered. Michael kills a LOT of people, and it was a fun ride. Was it good? No. But it was fun.

[@EverythingandNothingTV]

Halloween Kills was dope asf since the first day I saw it i still stand by it.

[@SpiderMan23000]

​@Cade Rainier Wait, Big and Little were husbands?!

[@sorbet3042]

@@SpiderMan23000 Yep!

[@yurifairy2969]

I need more from a horror movie than just violence. If I want to watch violent death, I can just watch a youtube compilation. There is absolutely no point in making a movie where its just kills these days.

[@aidenmorreyvoiceactor]

@@yurifairy2969 All the power to you for that! I’m usually the same way, but for me, every now and again there’s always that want to see a bloodbath for the fun of it. Though I can’t say I’d watch a series of films ONLY for the kills.

[@NoxMonstrum]

I still think Halloween 2 1981 has the best death for Michael in the whole franchise. It never compromises him in any way to make him look weak like H20 or Halloween Ends. Loomis literally sacrifices himself to see that Michael dies and for that moment when he walks out of the room doused in flames its like "Holy shit is he really alive still?" And then he finally collapses to succumb to the fire. It's perfect.

[@gregorypatzelt6964]

Couldn't agree more. 2018 was amazing, kills has its place, and ends sucks.

[@r3ap3r68]

I enjoyed Ends. Yeah Michael wasn’t in it much, but it reminded me of Season of the Witch. Mainly because of the scene where Michael choked Corey.

[@tristanlambert658]

Kills does not have its place, it’s criminally bad, same as Ends.

[@slimmike56]

@@tristanlambert658 thank you

[@MaskedManiacReviews]

@@r3ap3r68 season of the witch bombed for the same reasons you like Ends. People now seem to be easier satisfied with these rehash trash films vs 1982 when they would just not go to your movie if they heard it sucked

[@NoxMonstrum]

​@@MaskedManiacReviews Halloween 3 isn't the third installment in a trilogy though. It's an anthology film that's not even in the same universe as Halloween 1 and 2. People were sort of tricked when it came out and they were pissed but it's a good movie. Halloween Ends is supposed to wrap up the end of this trilogy while totally ignoring what was established in the prior film and going off in a weird direction that's not explained or explored properly at all. It's hated for a very different reason.

[@Blast2224]

What I hated ultimately with the new trilogy was that Michael began perfectly like he was back in 1978, but then Halloween Kills turns him into this supernatural tank like Jason. And the fandom just *rolled with it* like they didn’t already see this version of Michael with Zombies hubris films. “Michael is his most brutal. Most angry. Most desperate.” He was a hobo eating dogs and hacking nurses over 6 times in a row, stomping faces in, and plowing through cops back in 2009. This wasn’t a new concept. THEN Halloween Ends fails to define all these new supernatural elements by making Michael go from a simple shape, to a Jason Voorhees, to a “weak” old man (despite him being able to lift a fully grown woman with one hand). In hindsight, I rather they stopped at 2018 and showed us him burning alive back to ash.

[@unknowntosomething8389]

You know they messed up If you wish they had let him burn Instead. I really wish they didn't nerf him so badly, but I guess all good things sadly come to an ending we didn't want but got.

[@dannydrako4698]

Yeah the big thing that bugs me is how the cast or crew go on about "we didn't just wanna rehash old stuff we wanted to make something new" yet half of what they did was rehash shit that was done in the older movies lmao. Passing on the evil was done in Halloween 4. Laurie trying to move on happens in H20. Even the gimmick of Ends not being about Michael was done in Halloween 3.

[@CoOlKyUbI96]

I honestly wouldn’t have mind either direction as long as the entire trilogy was consistent with it. Is Micheal Myers supernatural? Fine, show that in all three films. Is Michael Myers not supernatural? Fine, show that in all three films

[@TyrannosaurusGaming]

@@unknowntosomething8389 I would've preferred the crowd took him down at the end of Halloween kills. Wouldve been a much nicer ending for me because I enjoyed kills

[@wokeyoda96]

The way I look at it, this new trilogy can end at which ever one you want. 2018 - he dies in the fire Kills - Micheal plows through the town, he wins and Laurie and his cycle continue. Ends - whatever the hell that was

[@NitraatPiraat]

Tbh i liked Kills, I liked the fact that Michael became stronger with every kill he made, i accepted that. In Ends they completely throw that out of the window for the first and second act of the movie, having him lose a shuffle/wrestle with an angsty 24-year old, but then like a half hour later he's tanking a knife to the heart like its nothing and sits up so powerfully that it ejects the knife that Laurie was holding, and then is like oh no he's dead but not dead enough, let's throw him into the industrial grinder at the junkyard. But how did we get there from Michael barely keeping it together with Corey? Honestly if they sticked to the idea of an almost unkillable Michael and left Corey out of the story and have Ends revolve around the confrontation between Laurie and Michael, then I think it'd be a less shitty film

[@Mr8ofspades]

they didn't through out the more he kills the more he transcends, I just think he got to much damage and his age plays a part, Michael is on the verge of supernatural in this trilogy kind of what carpenter wanted but he's not immortal and can't live forever

[@NitraatPiraat]

@@Mr8ofspades i mean that still doesn't really explain how he can win from a whole lynch mob, but 4 years later lose a shuffle from a 20 year old

[@Mr8ofspades]

@@NitraatPiraat you just answered your own question 4 years later, believe it or not that beating did take its toll, Michael was at his peak at that point and survived, think really think about it, he was still ready to go in this movie after everything he's been through since the first movie in this timeline, and yes the way Corey got his mask was annoying but its not the fist time its happened, laurie in the first movie? and Karen in kills?

[@NitraatPiraat]

@@Mr8ofspades its just dumb that the two previous films established that michael is nearly unkillable, and then the film after that have him do fuck all because he is injured. If he hasn't died 4 years after the big fight in Kills, then how is he still so weak. Especially after they showcased how fast he can heal from mortal wounds. I can see what you're talking about, but I just find it super odd how Green found it a good idea for Michael to sit out his own climactic movie for the most part, and have THE FINAL fight with Laurie (which has been marketed over social media as THE CLIMACTIC part of this trilogy and what the trailer's all showcased) and have it be super underwhelming, he basically got knocked down with a fire extinguisher and a headbutt, 2 knifes in his hands and a fridge on his legs

[@Mr8ofspades]

@@NitraatPiraat I totally agree with you I would of preferred him slaughtering people on a rampage again throughout the movie like kills, I think people like me and you would of appreciated the movie more if Michael was in it more as well doing some kills, and yes they really dropped the ball showing the final fight in the trailer

[@willyboods5197]

Halloween 2018 isn’t a remake. It’s a direct sequel to the original

[@johnnymarin5035]

He should have said "reboot"

[@englishsteel-nz6im]

It is a direct sequel but a series reboot being that the previous was the awful Zombie set.

[@tristanlambert658]

@@englishsteel-nz6im Zombies films don’t look so awful compared to Kills and Ends honestly

[@englishsteel-nz6im]

@@tristanlambert658 Ends is horrible on par with RZ's films but Kills is objectively better flaws and all. RZs films are really bad, Kills had memorable good elements to it and honestly only lost the plot about midway, they easily could have had it been a classic if they didn't go dumb with a few things. RZ films are cartoonishly trailer trash silly, which worked for his Firefly Family films and would have worked for a TCM reboot but not Halloween. RZs H2 was especially LOL--- the origin story of Myers in his H1 takes away the mystique of Myers but that bit actually was well done. Reality is they should have just stopped with H18-- it nailed everything and the ending in flames ends it nice.

[@TheJotaroKujo]

@@tristanlambert658 Kills was alright. Some pretty classic slasher fun plus that introduction of actual "superpowers" for Michael actually works imo. Ends is just garbage though. Messily undoes the good stuff that Kills did, throws Michael out the window for some dude whose character is all over the place, gets rid of him to actually kill off Michael in the worst way and then makes a preachy show of said crappy death that comes out of nowhere.

[@deegan463]

Its nice to know I wasn't the only one having a WTF moment in the theatre watching Ends. I mean, MIchael Myers looks the troubled and bullied young boy in the eye and reads him like a gypsy fortune teller, and lets him live while passing the evil onto him? Seriously!?!?

[@merksmovies25]

He didnt pass the evil onto him. He awakened the evil already within him. Michael was weak because he hadnt killed in a while. The more he kills the stronger he gets

[@erauprcwa]

Agree 100% with your posts. I just noticed something... Another pointless plot point that didn't go anywhere. In your last clip, we see JLC (Laurie) drinking strawberry milk. In "Ends", Corey had this thing with Chocolate Milk... I noticed it during my viewing, almost like they were trying to make a connection with milk but didn't go anywhere with it. I think the Corey "thing" was fine, however, to shoehorn it in, in the last film of a trilogy that set up a 44 year story. That was the WORST thing they could've done to the franchise. Other horror franchises tried to do this very thing and it failed. I know the writers/directors were trying to tell a story of "evil", but it has been 44 years. Don't try to reinvent the wheel. We want substance, but we also don't want a completely different character(s) that we've known for over four decades, that set the state for the genre.

[@ULTIMATZEKROM]

I'll be honest, I liked the ideas Ends had. I like the idea of someone else putting on the Myers mask and becoming (even being driven to becoming, as Corey was) the next Boogeyman, kind of like how it was with Friday the 13th part 5, how a new face put on the Hockey Mask...but DAMN did the execution suck. It's like they were trying to be Jason Goes to Hell and F13 Part 5 at the same time. Like how Kills was trying to be Halloween 2 (1981) and Halloween 4 at the same time. I honestly didn't hate the romance subplot, but I do think it didn't work to the film's betterment. Sure, JLC was great as Laurie in these movies, but after 2 films of her being obsessed with Michael, even being willing to ignore her injuries to help hunt him down, her pretty much moving on after he kills her daughter made no sense. Plus the weird flip-flopping of being on Corey's side to not wanting him near Alison was wonky.

[@gmikes5184]

i got why she didnt want corey around. her paranoia still lurked. his behaviors changed to like michaels so she knew. tho the social commentary of "did we cause this to him" was so UGH. kinda like in 2 was "are we the REAL animals" 🙄 but what killed me in 3 is in 1 and 2 they said michael dont gaf about laurie but hes stalking her when he gains some power back🙄🙄

[@chasecaron9402]

Personally a major thing I’d change in the sequel trilogy would be to keep Vicky alive; she was a very likeable character played by a very likeable actress, and I feel like one of Lauri’s granddaughter’s friends being a new main character would’ve totally been a neat way to subvert expectations! I was only okay with Kills initially because I thought they were going to introduce her in the hospital, possibly even to meet and chat with Laurie on their hospital beds

[@willn8664]

I am probably in the minority here but I actually liked part 5 and 6 with the whole Cult of Thorn angle. To me in a way it could connect Season of the Witch with the main storyline in the rest of the original series.

[@Filthy_Larry]

Yea!!!!

[@robertvaughan8055]

Welcome to the cult of Thorne minority dude👍

[@Filthy_Larry]

@@robertvaughan8055 i have a thorn tattoo. I’m a lifetime member.

[@randyadams1312]

I preferred the thorn timeline to the others.

[@joyastomato237]

I agree! I feel like it is the most ambitious film in the series in term of Fleshing out Michael Myers as a larger than life, literally out of this world “Boogeyman” !

[@larrycunningham9171]

The way that they made michael look in this film was almost like seeing an athlete out of his prime and should've retired years ago

[@allsparkstudios1299]

Bro what the 2018 mask is the best mask in this franchise

[@CesarGameBoy.]

*Halloween 2018* is an amazing reboot that pays so much respect to the original, while also just being a great movie. *Halloween Kills* is really not a good movie, but it’s a hella entertaining one with lots of death and brutality. *Halloween Ends* was the first movie I actually felt miserable watching.

[@GingerZombie29]

I'd rather watch Halloween 5 or Resurection than Halloween Ends.

[@DLFLux]

Another problem I have with the trilogy aside from everything that’s been mentioned and the common complaints is that they retconned the other films out of existence, yet still acted like the legend of Myers from those other movies was still a thing. Instead of just being a killer that got locked up and escaped, everyone acts like the other kills from the other timelines still happened, if that makes sense.

[@alexwakefield6743]

Glad he mentioned rise of skywalker. I feel like this, star wars and jurrasic world all fell victim to this. The first one was amazing for each of these. One of the best in the series. The 2nd one is too devisive to bring the fan base together and the third just falls short in every way, whether it's retcons to the 2nd one that not everyone liked to cover their tracks(star wars and jurrasic world) or just completely changing the narrative and taking the story in a direction nobody expected and frankly a lot of people didn't want(halloween and star wars)

[@perryjones7771]

No I like the fact that we all GUESSED THE ENTIRE ENDING BEFORE THE MOVIE EVEN CAME OUT. Also David never thought Micheal all the way out cause he said that he isn’t supernatural but he was able to see what Cory was going through and when they started killing together the cut on his hand healed very quickly. I would love to see Allyson front her own trilogy taking on Cory that would be EPIC because her potential is so untapped.

[@tristanlambert658]

That would not be epic, it’d be beating a dead horse and only dragging Halloween further through the mud.

[@DR.MF.DOOMSDAY]

I’ll always stand by the timeline of Halloween 1&2. That’s it, those 2 movies were absolutely perfect.

[@rawheadrex1972]

I think I’m with you there. All three timelines of Michael Myers after those two movies (although this new trilogy throws out H2 ‘81) are some good, mostly bad. Zombies two Halloween movies are ridiculous to the point of being offensive. Looks like the first two is all we got.

[@DR.MF.DOOMSDAY]

@@rawheadrex1972 I made up my mind long ago when I seen Busta Rhymes kung-fu kick big Mike in the head. That was truly it for me there and then.

[@busystudent6858]

IMHO what really ruined Halloween kills and ends is the change from an iconic stalker who ambushes his prey at its most vulnerable state, to a freaking terminator kind of guy. Instead of horror, it was generic action movie type of deal. The aura around Micheal pretty much disappeared especially after the humiliation that he went through and the worst kind of thing to do to a character you are supposed to fear, is make him a joke. Furthermore, I always feel sad when I rewatch the scene when Karen took Micheal's mask and taunted him to get of off her daughter and him following her. What REALLY would've elevated that movie is him looking at her then closing the door to finish her daughter off before disappearing.

[@valentino42]

The biggest issue was making Michael an unstoppable, practically immortal monster in Halloween Kills, then immediately making him into “just an old man in a mask” in Halloween Ends that is easily bested multiple times in the movie. Talk about whiplash and plot contrivance…

[@jonnaking3054]

Since there's like 500 timelines in the Halloween series, this only ended the Michael of the part 1, 2018, 2021 and 2022. Could always bring back the Michael of any of the other timelines, as far as I know all those Michaels are still alive. Laurie Strode was killed and brought back in another timeline, why not Michael?

[@ridefree9160]

Yeah they could bring him back after resurrection

[@Eric_Nomad_Hixtone]

@@ridefree9160 ooor 6 one. In Zombie timeline n dis new he's dead but it's bc he's normal human being w more pain tolerance and buffed body (aka almost super solider so happen to be alive and to be a maniac but not a supernatural entity he was in others which i don't like)

[@triceratroytv2292]

New reboot that's another direct sequel to H2 or H20 would be awesome

[@jonnaking3054]

@@triceratroytv2292 outta Freddy Jason and Michael, it looks as if Michael is the one that is truly forever lol

[@deathbymazda]

I want to see Laurie, Jamie, and her son from H20 in the same movie

[@Kn1ghtborne]

I'd say the main problem with the current trilogy is the attempt at retconning over 40+ years worth of lore for a grounded take that turned out more boring than all of them. Seriously one of the main things that kept this series cool was that Michael wasn't exactly killable. Making him a regular guy doesn't make for an interesting story imo. Age, disease, wounds, that's all uninteresting.

[@56jklove]

that is literally how he was in the 1st movie, the lore got stupid, like the appeal of the 1st movie was that he was hard to kill but can be killed, hey toyed the line of man and supernatural. he was just pure evil thats it. these trilogies literally brought back michael to his roots. the other movies destroyed his legacy and mystique. im just having a convo to let you kno. like having age disease and all that makes it interesting cause you are like, how is this guy taking all this destruction.

[@Kn1ghtborne]

@@56jklove Then Halloween 2 shouldn't have Michael in it. If we get a killable Michael it should be done the way it should've been with no sequel or make the conclusion far off like Halloween 4 or 5 . It's a little off putting to say Halloween is supposed to be an anthology but they've been emphasizing on Michael before I was born (95). Tanking shots and cunningly avoiding death blows was his thing.

[@McStrokeAvision]

@@56jklove no it’s trash

[@56jklove]

@@McStrokeAvision all the different timelines are trash. So it doesn't matter

[@McStrokeAvision]

@@56jklove maybe so but it’s definitely thee worse timeline to me and everyone I know...

[@damien9056]

Halloween 2018 was a great follow up to the original. Given what we got afterwards with Kills and Ends, H18 could have been the final movie.

[@DS-zy4gs]

That is how I feel about it. If they wanted a perfect trilogy, then they should have went for a horror seasoned pro director such as Mike Flanagan. The reason Halloween is a wasted inconsistent franchise is because Malek Akkad will give anyone the keys to the franchise, just like his father did.

[@erauprcwa]

I almost appreciate Kills more now that Ends is out. While Kills is what it is, it further proves all of our points of WHY Ends was so bad. They sold us two stories (2018 and Kills), pushing us into a certain plot point and idea of who these characters are and the story they were marketing and trying to tell. Then when Ends comes out, it basically makes the previous two films pointless. The set ups and everything, were all pointless. There are people out there on sites trying to say "Ends" was the best and people "just didn't get it"... which is far from the truth.

[@HappyRescuedCats]

Totally agree. I Loved Halloween 2018 and Kills was really exciting, I expected this epic ending to the Trilogy but I was very disappointed. Michael was barely in the movie. It might have been a good movie as a stand alone movie but not the ending to this trilogy. Also the characters didn't make sense, I love Jamie Lee Curtis but she spent 40 years training and worried Michael will come back even though he's locked up, then he kills her daughter and is loose out there and that's when she let's go of it all and relaxes!?!? That doesn't make sense to me. I liked that they killed him off in the end but the entire movie was about Corey and then the last 10 minutes they kill Corey and get back to Michael. It was just so weird and I was super disappointed in the last one.

[@diabolivirtusen-tavares-ea4392]

I think Lauries "sunshine and rainbows" attitude was a ploy to Lure Michael in another trap.

[@kitgusto2390]

You missed the point of the original Halloween if you want an “epic final fight”. It was never supposed to be a Marvel style action movie

[@HappyRescuedCats]

@@kitgusto2390 No, I'm not missing the point, I expected an epic ending to a Horror Franchise which we actually got in H2O so no it's not unreasonable to expect an ending just as good as H20 instead we got a movie about an entirely new character when people came to see Michael.

[@kitgusto2390]

@@HappyRescuedCats Yes you are. Halloween is about the nature of evil, not some hack and slash action movie showdown. Ends is probably the only sequel who understood that (until the end)

[@HappyRescuedCats]

@@kitgusto2390 I'm glad you loved the movie but a lot of people didn't.... respect that! I don't tell you you are wrong for loving this movie so don't tell me I am for not liking it!

[@TH3F4LC0Nx]

For me even the 2018 movie didn't work. It simultaneously erased the previous sequels, and yet wholeheartedly relied on them for its setup. The mask has no significance in the first movie; it's just a random thing he stole from a store. Now it's like a totem that's supposed to carry so much weight. At least in Rob Zombie's film that actually makes sense. And when Laurie calls the psychiatrist "the new Loomis", that line makes no sense without the previous sequels having happened. Loomis was just some guy that she interacted with for all of 5 minutes in the first movie. It relied on nostalgia just as much as any other horror reboot. And plus the writing was pretty shoddy. When the doctor dude just randomly turned into a maniac I actually laughed at how stupid it was. The first Halloween is a classic, Rob Zombie's is fun if you like crazy trailer park redneck mayhem, but nah, all 3 of the new films are subpar.

[@56jklove]

how? rob zombies films destroy michaels character, by explaining everything about him.

[@TH3F4LC0Nx]

@@56jklove Zombie attempted to turn the story into something psychologically realistic, which was actually an original angle for Halloween, and why I actually kinda respect his version, or at least more than any of the others. Sadly, he couldn't write characters that weren't caricatures, and slasher movies don't really lend themselves well to realism. I've always personally enjoyed his take on the story, but that's just me. The 2018 film had the exact same premise as the original film, only this time with a 70 year old psycho, and that's just silly. Which is why they had to immediately revert to the supernaturalism for the sequels, which as a result returned the films to the shit that they had been for decades.

[@nerychristian]

I agree with you. From the opening credits of 2018 Halloween, I knew it was not going to be good. The moment they show Michael Myers face, it ruins the mystique. Also, it was pretty stupid and unbelievable that Michael Myers had been held in a prison for 40 years, and that he never escaped or killed anyone. Also unbelievable that they would allow some wannabe reporters get so close to him with the mask and taunt him like that.

[@roosterj2599]

I'm glad to know that the original Halloween is like a warm blanket to you. You are not alone. I feel the same. I was 8 years old when Halloween came out in 78. Saw it at a drive in in San Diego CA. Great memories. It landed on HBO a few years later and it never got old.

[@LukeLovesRose]

For me, H20 was the perfect ending to this franchise. With one chop, Michael and Laurie went out with some with dignity.

[@caseylee4266]

Amen to that!!!!!.....Evil Died and Halloween ends at H20!!!!!!

[@kiratherenegade1561]

Nothing in Halloween End justifies it's existence. It could've easily been the last 20 minutes of Halloween Kills for a kick ass dulogy - capturing who Michael Myers is. On 1 end, the stalker, smooth moving killer who taunts his victims & enjoys their deaths & the other - the merciless machine of death who creates art out of his victims but discards them immediately. As is - we have a great movie, a great popcorn flick, and a stinker.

[@penskepc2374]

Nah, man. It doesn't get better than Ben Tramer bursting into flames. Number 2 is the best sequel.

[@magicvoice31]

I've always felt Ben deserved at least a 30 min short chronicling that fateful night 😄

[@CR-vj6vv]

This new trilogy’s big problem was that it focused too much on JLC’s “star power” and having her become such a badass in these movies to fulfill a purpose with the whole women’s trauma thing spurred on by the me-too movement a few years back. The trauma was way too amped up especially when ignoring part 2 and beyond. Her portrayal of this was much more believable in H20. She was also on every damn morning show promoting the hell out of these movies in the past 4 years and that definitely took away any effectiveness they should’ve had as horror movies. Way over hyped.

[@caseylee4266]

No doubt it, agree 100% never understood why 2018 was ever made let alone, why Jamie came back....again.....I mean wtf....H20 was good and the ending was proper but yet here we came with shitbox Resurrection REALLY dont know WHY the hell she even bothered to waste time being in it is beyond me.....now we have this unnecessary crap....why why did you ever come back yet again Jamie.....makes zero sense....only reaso. I have come up with is .....ding ding $$$$....sad part is....or maybe not so sad.....we'll never get another chance to have mend and have the big epic ending battle like they just lied about this movie being.....

[@CR-vj6vv]

@@caseylee4266 Agreed. It all has to do with money and marketing nowadays for the most part. Total cash grabs which end up ruining a franchise. Best off sticking to new or independent horror movies now like Pearl, X, Terrifier, Midsommar and Hereditary among others that have been both effective and original. Myers, Freddy Krueger, and Jason Voorhees should be left alone for good now to pave way for new horror. And look at what they’re doing to Chucky for Gods sake! He’s just a caricature of his former Child’s Play days. The TV series is horrid. Lol.

[@CR-vj6vv]

@@caseylee4266 oh yeah and I pretend Resurrection never existed for my own peace of mind. H20 may have felt too much like a Scream movie but it had the most amazing and fitting ending you could’ve asked for.

[@triceratroytv2292]

I know people hate it. But I think the og Halloween 2 is as good if not better than 2018 imo

[@Bootmahoy88]

The first few Halloweens were very good. The latter ones, not so much. For this Halloween I watched the 1978 original, and even though it was a bare bones film, it worked brilliantly. The subsequent two sequels weren't bad, I thought.

[@darkknightfanboy3185]

As a huge Halloween/Michael Myers fan, any time I can see Michael in a new movie it's a real treat. With that said, I am conflicted with this trilogy. I love Halloween 2018 and I love a lot of Halloween Kills, and I wish they just scrapped that whole hospital mob scene, and tweaked the story just a bit and it would have been awesome. Halloween Ends is so off the wall, that it's puzzling how they came to some of their final decisions. I know it will be a while before we see a new Halloween film, if ever. I kind of want them to live the franchise alone and let the legacy be, but then again when I think of Halloween Ends as the final Halloween film ever, I get very sad. Although I have MANY problems with this trilogy, it's given me excitement and hope these past four years and I am thankful for that. I adore this franchise and seeing it revived and hearing people talk about Michael again, makes me so happy. So, with that being said I would like to thank David Gordon Green, Danny McBride, and of course John Carpenter, for shedding a light on the icon of horror!!!!

[@DS-zy4gs]

That is how I feel about it. If they wanted a perfect trilogy, then they should have went for a horror seasoned pro director such as Mike Flanagan. The reason Halloween is a wasted inconsistent franchise is because Malek Akkad will give anyone the keys to the franchise, just like his father did.

[@CarlosGuzman-vi9xw]

Blumhouse per Wiki IS handing the keys 🔑 back over to Malek..... I'm curious to see what he does with them.

[@DS-zy4gs]

@@CarlosGuzman-vi9xw I hold no hope, that trilogy ended up taking a nose dive after 2018.

[@zach3409]

The three problems I had with Ends is: 1. They needlessly put Michael on the back shelf...They could've kept him in doing his thing more without disrupting the Corey story. 2. His "fight" with Laurie was way too short and underwhelming...They couldn't have given that a bigger punch?! 3. The way they killed him/the fact they killed him. Laurie should've been the one to die, by logic. If they could've taken care of just these three points, (wouldn't have been difficult) it would've given fans what they wanted without disappointing so many people, along with keeping things "different"...Which is clearly what they were going for. Would've balanced out what a Halloween movie is supposed to be with something new.

[@wokeyoda96]

If Micheal was injured, just make him more strategic like in the original. A pretty simple solution really.

[@zach3409]

@@wokeyoda96 Exactly. But with him slaughtering that mob at the end of Kills he should've been Uber powered for Ends, not some feable crow who was manhandled by an angsty teen...Assuming he gained his strength by killing, which was implied in this trilogy.

[@wokeyoda96]

@@zach3409 the problem is they tease him being a unstoppable murdering machine AND just a man. They never commit to either.

[@nicholasbennett7367]

We live in the era of creative bankruptcy and nostalgia being exploited to the fullest

[@c.costanza1145]

Amen

[@englishsteel-nz6im]

H18 really is good and the sad thing is HK is extremely well shot and elements of it are great--- it could have been a worthy sequel on par with H18 and been the finale had it just had some better writing. The flashback sequence and the first 1/3 of HK is pretty damn good--- him appearing and killing the firefighters is exciting even to the biggest hater of the film. It's just... the mob mentality crap sideshow, the whole he's taking damage and not supernatural but surviving too many fatal wounds... If he had just gone on one last rampage and then a smaller mob w/some cops and good character side story development with the idea of showing the psychology of the town underneath the horror of the situation and you have a good film. Another scene-- Myers in the bathroom in HK tending to a hand wound or whatever and smashing the light. He's genuinely in HK probably the creepiest Myers yet and they blow it on a bad ending and bad elements. Ends if it were me and it's probably not popular, I'd have killed off Myers in HK(in the context of better writing as noted)and then Ends could be a post character development film centered around a copy cat killer(s)who they think is Myers and you could make an interesting psychological film that certain people would dig and others would hate due to it not featuring Myers. Then that kills the series. No more lol.

[@reissadams8986]

It was ment to end at Halloween 2018, but it made £250M at box office on a £15M budget. It wasn’t ever going to be left alone. I view Halloween 78 and 2018 to be the best start and ending. Kills and end are just fun movies that dont need to be connected

[@derekroberts6654]

i haven’t seen “…Ends” yet, but it seems like a movie that survives solely on plot twists…and nothing else.

[@EverythingandNothingTV]

Pretty much there is some good in it though if you like Halloween it’s still worth a watch but definitely disappointing off the heals of the first two.

[@56jklove]

@@EverythingandNothingTV how is ends bad, i get why people dont like it. but i like the different direction. i kno art is subjective, but there are people saying 2018 is bad. but compared to the other halloween sequels, i think its good.

[@KoaIaBearr]

@@56jklove Agreed

[@ER0CK5_]

@@56jklove i think either Halloween 2018 or Halloween Kills (had he not survived the group beatdown) would have been more appropriate endings. I don't hate Halloween Ends on its own, but I do hate that the conclusion is basically a cameo of Michael and he's so weak a kid can just beat him in hand to hand combat like it's nothing to take the mask from him.

[@robertperner7196]

Actually it feels more like the opposite of a plot twist to me. It ends where it needs to, but it starts at a completely wrong place.

[@Lunchladydoyle]

I was so happily surprised when I saw Halloween 2018. Then when they announced Halloween Kills my heart sank. I could barely finish it because it was so bad. I’m not going to bother with Halloween Ends. They last genius level horror film that stays great through the 3rd act I’ve seen was the original Let The Right One In which blew my mind and what a satisfying ending. As for Jordan Peele, yes Get Out was a fun time at the movies and Us had some great ideas despite the ridiculous premise but Nope was a real snoozer. The only scene that was disturbing was the tourists getting digested. The rest of a bit precious and I wanna be Steven Spielberg to me. Great review. Subscribed !!

[@merksmovies25]

Watch anything by mike flanagan. He is the modern master of horror and storytelling

[@Silly_Rabbit92]

Who knows. Maybe after the way Kills went, Rob Zombie might continue his run and show them how to properly end a trilogy 🤞 2007 Halloween was fantastic. I will die on that hill.

[@sta]

totally agree, im still trying to understand how folks defending halloween ends dont feel like they just got slapped in the face. i personally enjoyed kills more than most cuz it felt like a very entertaining segway between 2018 and ends but of course we know how that went. i keep seeing people defending green for taking "risks", halloween may be the worst possible movie series to take an unnecessary risk on - its greatness was always in the simplicity. really hard to respect any take defending ends

[@jr3624]

Ironic. You’re defending Kills when it’s just as shit if not more shit than Ends lmao

[@sta]

@@jr3624 i mean story wise kills didnt do much but it set up ends to be good and it seems like they just did a 180 from whatever it was originally supposed to be

[@sta]

@@jr3624 i mean its a totally different movie idk why it surprising i liked one and not the other. in kills u definitely had to enjoy watching the characters die and not take them seriously to like it lmao

[@tal-tail1960]

I remember when I was driving home with a friend after watching Halloween Ends, in the car we immediately just said "So Michael died in the cellar at the end of 2018 right?" "Yup"

[@ThePhilVideos]

I agree pretty much with what you said as far as the 3 go. I saw the original as a child and it changed my life and made me a lifelong horror fan. Have seen most of the sequels and reboots in the theaters. An observation I made: Halloween 2018 mimicked the original. Kills sort of mimics Halloween 2 with the hospital and Lori being sidelined while he’s on a rampage. Halloween Ends seemingly does the same with 3 Season of the Witch. The blue font used, a separate story. Michael is seemingly shoehorned in just to end the trilogy. Things I hatred about Ends…Michael went from full beast mode to cowardly, weak homeless man. Also, Lori couldn’t forget the trauma of 1978 for 40 years…but has gotten over the trauma of 2018 and the loss of her daughter in 4 years?!?!?!? The night I walked out of the theater with my kid (disappointed) I quickly rewrote the last part in my head and everyone who I’ve told my version to has said “wow…yeah I’d have rather seen that”. I guess in a few years we’ll get another take on Halloween from someone. Hopefully nothing woke or any cringe bs. Akkad will keep this going forever. It’s a cash cow.

[@FatalFireStar89]

The way they see it, as long as it makes a profit then they will continue to keep the franchise going

[@nerychristian]

I would like to hear your ideas for the last part of the film.

[@ThePhilVideos]

@@nerychristian ok a bit much, but here we go. So I’d have kept it the same until Corey at the bridge. Instead of being thrown off, I’d have Corey run from the teens and hide in the sewer, the teens follow him and Michael “awakens” and kills the teens. Corey manages to escape. He tries to tell Laurie and Alison that Michael is back and Laurie especially doesn’t believe him and think he’s trying to use the story to get close to Alison. Alison is uncertain. Laurie is definitely NOT over it after only four years and the loss of her daughter. Haddonfield is also a shell of itself and mostly a run down half abandoned town after the 2018 killings. Then the murders start again. Corey tries to tell police Michael is back and they don’t believe him either, based on his reputation as a “murderer” and town reject. When it’s discovered people have been killed, Corey gets blamed and police begin a manhunt for him. So he’s on the run and Michael is on the loose at the same time. He finally convinces Alison it’s not him, they convince Laurie and the 3 of them have to dodge police and try to hunt and stop Michael at the same time, leading to the final showdown.

[@beautifulveins]

My biggest response to everyone thinking Laurie was out of character in Ends is that it makes sense that now, as Alison's guardian (at least she would have been after Karen died and she was still in high school) is that Laurie is overcompensating for letting her obsession with Michael ruin her relationship with her family. She is trying to be the fun grandma now. I think losing Karen made her realize that life is essentially too short to shut out the world forever. She barely had contact or time with her own daughter, so she's trying to be better for Alison. I didn't take it as her being over it, I took it as her overcorrecting and trying to now live a normal life for her grandaughter.

[@silvershelbygt5006]

Jordan Peele IS NOT a genius. Modern standards are just REALLY LOW.

[@chapman87]

I enjoyed 2018 but with hindsight the most satisfying ending was H20, it felt final and gave us that Laurie v Michael extended cat and mouse.

[@Mxyz]

I'd honestly of just been happy with 2018 and just ended it there.

[@carts.g]

The shape hunts Allyson is a GOATED track

[@EverythingandNothingTV]

Fr absolutely nuclear level banger

[@Basement_Bro]

Even though I don’t 100% agree with you, thank you so much for not doing an entire recap of each movie. I’m sick of watching analysis and ending explained videos that do not do a bit of analysis or explaining until the last minute of the video, while the rest is just a summary. Well done!

[@frekitheravenous516]

MICHAEL & LOOMIS DIED IN PART 2 1981 ! I'll die on that hill.

[@FlyingFocs]

I remember talking to a friend about Ends, and he brought up an idea, one single change, that maybe could have made the Corey stuff work better: have Michael actually killed at the end of Kills, and imply that the evil he embodies is passed on. Is it perfect? No. Would it fix everything? Probably not. Would it improve the film though? Probably.

[@nerychristian]

I thought the same thing too. The final 10 minutes of Halloween Ends should have been the ending of Halloween Kills. Or it could have been the intro scene of Ends. And then they can show Corey finding the mask while working at his father's junk yard. And show him slowly turning evil. And at the end of the movie, show him kill Laurie. And have her grandaughter become the new Laurie who promises to kill Corey .

[@Mr8ofspades]

2018 was great and kills is one of the best slashers in years along with terrifier 2, Halloween ends was something different and I appreciate it, critics and fans complained about the same thing happening and milking the franchise then when it goes somewhere different people still piss and moan, but I agree that it needed more Michael Myers

[@kungfew1396]

It really crushes me that John Carpenter gave up on directing and says he just likes collecting royalty paychecks from the people butchering his original films.

[@EverythingandNothingTV]

Me too :/

[@blend6338]

I absolutely love 2018 and Kills, and Ends your spot on about, it was actual trash.

[@thomaspappalardo7589]

I like your take, but I disagree with your claim Halloween 2018 is the best sequel. I found it extremely uneven in its writing. I think Halloween Kills is much better BECAUSE of the mob mentality exploration. Michael is the vessel/personification of the evil in all of us and we need to acknowledge that. It holds up a mirror to us and it is supposed to make us uncomfortable. I also agree Halloween Ends is garbage.

[@EverythingandNothingTV]

I don’t disagree with this take

[@thomaspappalardo7589]

@@EverythingandNothingTV Thank you. I’m new to your channel, but I look forward to exploring it more.

[@EverythingandNothingTV]

Of course! Happy to have you a part of the Channel! New video Thursday! Hope to see you in the comments

[@thomasaghotmail]

Really good video overall. I am more pragmatic about Ends than the other 99% of people. I think in 10-15 years, a few years after the next reboot, I think people will have a much more accepting attitude about Ends. They DID give us a Laurie vs MM fight in the last half hour. They rewarded the Final Girl over the Killer. Not the 1st movie to have done that, but whatever. Anyway, I do feel that the trilogy will be seen in an overall positive light.

[@keitha.563]

Laurie Strode should of died in Ends . The story should revolve around the true star Micheal Myers . Ends is a mess . General audiences seen the destruction and the fkn disrespect of the character. How they come back from that no clue . Season of the witch will NEVER be on the big screen again . Malek Akkad has got to think fast to reverse this out of the Franchise our it's over . So we as Halloween fans have to accept the ddg non Horror flick which is just revenge killing by a kid named Corey Cunningham . Halloween ends is absolutely TERRIBLE . So Ends lovers if you are thinking where is Micheal Myers that Shittttttttt film Ends that DDG made with JLC and Carpenter trying to also kill the Franchise .

[@fredgroski1250]

@@keitha.563 for real . The disrespect to Michael and the whole franchise itself makes me want to appreciate Rob zombies Halloween’s now lol

[@r3ap3r68]

I look at it in a positive light. The original is the absolute best, yes, the sequel trilogy has its moments, but it’s still damn enjoyable and entertaining.

[@keitha.563]

@@r3ap3r68 this was a revenge killing grease 2 wannabe love story!!! Enjoy it all you want.

[@dextermorgan7439]

If he died she should have died . Then i would be satisfied

[@michaelnealis1926]

Unpopular opinion, I strongly dislike Halloween 2018. The characters are so bland and boring. Laurie is at her worst here and is so unlikeable. The movie is just so dull and adds nothing new.

[@openthenet6183]

Do people forget that the whole point of Kills, when it wasn't just bland violence, was that fear and hatred can turn normal people into monsters? It was so unsubtle. And then Ends comes out and shows a direct continuation of that idea with Corey being a parallel to Laurie by giving in to that fear and letting it consume him and turn him into a new murderer. As far as I'm concerned Corey was Michael Myers. It was a great way to finish the story imo

[@derkeheath5172]

Nobody forgot. It's just not nearly as deep as the creators seem to think. The Corey plot could have worked if it was given its own due and written smarter, but it's half-assed. Imagine if we had gotten to know Corey in the first two films, liked him, and then saw him slowly transform into a killer. As is, though, it's completely out of nowhere and feels like a complete bait-and-switch in a movie billed as "the final confrontation between Laurie and Michael". Kills and Ends had lots of interesting ideas, but far too many of them were executed very sloppily.

[@openthenet6183]

@@derkeheath5172 It is a bait and switch. That was the big point of Ends. Michael not being the big bad and then having a sloppy fight with Laurie at the end imo was supposed to feel like 2 people at the end of their ropes desperately trying to end a fight that had been happening for 40 years. Also, just to clarify if you didn't like it that's fine. I just want to encourage people who didn't like to see ut from another perspective if they rewatch it. Just saying this because often these are read more hostile than they are

[@2tc222]

How is no one else in the comments talking about how it’s just a worn out formula? The first few were good but there’s like 13 films about the same dude doing the same stuff in the same outfit with the same demeanor, he’s just not scary after being saturated like that. The more movies made about him the less scary he becomes

[@HappyCloud1995]

Loved Halloween (2018) thought that should have been the last movie

[@ghostgamingxd7881]

Nah kills is way better

[@epicortonotepic8314]

everyone has their own opinion, and no opinion is wrong

[@TheLastOfTheRockstarsU2]

You lost me when you called Halloween 2018 “one of the best remakes..”. Remakes? It’s a goddamn sequel to Halloween 1978

[@themadrapper101]

They took the family bloodline, brother/sister plot away. Made it all about Jamie Lee Curtis who claimed she didn't even watch the sequels she wasn't in. Proving she's no real fan of the franchise. She wanted all credit and ownage of Halloween so on her way out in the sunset of her career wanted to take Michael Myers with her along with the hundred million in cash... I prefer the Thorn trilogy over the new trilogy.. The family storyline was the way to go after the original and I think after 3 or 4 movues, the Thorn tattoo and cult shit was the way to go and they should revisit that timeline along with some of the ideas. In the new trilogy he was humanized while in the first 8 movies you weren't sure.They also tried making him look like a hobo again like in Rob Zombies Halloween II. For me we haven't had the traditional real Michael Myers since Resurrection

[@steveforsyth7269]

ENDS was phenomenal. My God we've had 12 other movies of the Michael Myers slaughterverse.. the one time they deviate (well, okay SECOND time after H3) they get crucified for it. I absolutely LOVED the idea of watching evil passed on to a character that has been conditioned to it by a town's hatred. Half way through the movie I had to pause for a bit and just take it in. I could not believe the 14th movie in a slasher franchise could be this unique and thought-provoking. I found myself wishing this had been the SECOND in the trilogy and that they could have taken more time to flesh out Corey and carry him into the third.

[@Remhad]

2018 and 2021 were incredible. Ends had horrible writing. Period.

[@jennclough3108]

THis trilogy felt like the disney star war trilogy (2015-2019) Halloween (2018)----The force awakens (Mixed reactions) Halloween Kills---The last jedi (Mediocre but ruins series) Halloween Ends--The rise of skywalker (What the actual hell just happened?)

[@jasonlehman2090]

Couldn't agree more.

[@caseylee4266]

Like Star wars with George.....Halloween is always subpar with out John.....

[@jefferyjones8399]

2018 was fantastic. The other two were mixed bags. There are things I like about Kills and Ends and things I don't like. I was engaged with Cory's story right up to the exact point you did.

[@JesusChrist2000BC]

All 3 of them are bad. People just didn't wake up from the nostalgia haze until the 3rd one. I knew this trilogy was terrible from the first movie.

[@alexthemoviemanoutofmymind7897]

I liked the new scream

[@oldmatejohnno]

I never really thought about this before but someone brought up to me recently that Laurie went full sara Connor after like 5 people died. For 40 years. Kinda ridiculous. But then when he comes back and KILLS HER DAUGHTER she moves on and has a normal life. Bull fucking shit. If anything she'd go even further down the whole sara Connor route after her daughter is murdered.

[@EverythingandNothingTV]

Very true

[@kainkong274]

Quite honestly, I thought H18 and Halloween Kills were good Imo. Those r (besides the original 2 movies) the best sequels in the franchise but good video tho 👌🎃🔪🔥🔨

[@EverythingandNothingTV]

Based take

[@kainkong274]

@@EverythingandNothingTV thx mate!

[@paulboland6182]

H20 is a better a sequel than the 2018 Halloween. It provides a more satisfying conclusion and does a better job of showing Lourie's PTSD and Micheal is actually looking for Lourie. Not once in this new trilogy does Micheal care about finding Lourie, it's all coincidence. The new trilogy are just 3 awfully written dumb movies. The twist with Not Dr. Loomis one of the dumbest and most pointless twists in horror history.

[@BoatIsBoat]

this is just my idea but wouldn't it be better if Halloween 2018 went for the same thing as Halloween 1978? Like, instead of Michael just walking around killing, he stalks Allyson.

[@erauprcwa]

Yeah, but then there'd be the question of why? Since they established that Laurie wasn't his sister and she was just a random victim...

[@BoatIsBoat]

@@erauprcwa He's a creepy stalker, its anyone's guess to why he'd stalk her, But CZsWorld said the reason why he stalks Laurie is that she reminds him of his older sister, and wants to experience again what he did when he was 6 years old, which is more plausible if you ask me.

[@thecan80an33]

My biggest facepalm was how the boyfriend was getting his ass kicked by the bullies the entire movie but is able to kick Micheal's ass and take the mask. Yeah, that's SOOOO plausible. This movie is a slap in the face to the fans, the characters, and the actors.

[@bigkmoviesandgames]

I personally really loved Halloween ends and it is my favorite of the new trilogy. With 2018 we essentially get the original film again but very polished and well acted with some bad humor thrown in but ultimately that didn't hurt the movie. Then you get kills which as you stated is just Halloween 2 again which I don't really care too much for just another rehash of Halloween 2 but if you're just there for the Carnage it does deliver. Then we get to ends a film that I absolutely adore it's not about Michael Myers one last Showdown with Lauri Strode it's about a weakend and dying evil that needs to pass on to someone else in order to survive, a sickness so to speak. Corey acts as the vessel to that evil based on his trauma and experiences which broke him down as a person leaving him susceptible to it. What we get in the final Halloween film at least of this series is a man slowly losing his mind and indulging in what makes him happy a woman that he cares about and murder. The further he goes along the less we get of the innocent young man at the beginning of the film and it delivers a unique experience that isn't just another damn rehash which is what this series is known for even the first two films of this Trilogy are basically just rehashes of what we've seen before. I don't think subversion just for the sake of it makes a movie good but I think it was done really damn well in this film. I didn't just want to see Laurie and Myers duking it out again in one final big Showdown we essentially got that in 2018. That would have been the obvious route but instead they said hey here's something different something a little more thought-provoking than that and I think it worked magnificently I know that I'm in the minority when it comes to this film and I'm not trying to be a contrarian but it legitimately works very well for me and I loved that final entry in the trilogy.

[@damonke79]

You are so far in the minority....you can't even see the majority. Halloween Ends sucks more than any Halloween movie outside of Resurrection. Terrible movie.

[@bigkmoviesandgames]

@@damonke79 I disagree but to each their own.

[@damonke79]

@@bigkmoviesandgames Can't wait to hear about your other favorite movies lol

[@bigkmoviesandgames]

@@damonke79 ok...

[@EverythingandNothingTV]

Disagree but don’t be a meanie about it bro :/

[@crackheadbiden7269]

I’m numb from Hollywood destroying my childhood.

[@LumesideLside]

honestly the reason i forgave the final fight scene is because I figured michael was injured and not at full strength from the events of halloween kills

[@Steelo832]

I agree with majority of these points, I had hope after Halloween 2018, lost some of it but still enjoyed the kills in Halloween Kills, and completely hated what I got in Halloween Ends (some kills were nice still). While not perfect the only movies that had real thought in it were 2018 and a bit of Kills. They just slopped a movie together in Ends literally.

[@johnnyblaze8439]

I have watched the movie 4 times trying to figure out what people like about it

[@paulsmith8510]

I saw 2018 and Kills in the theater. Kills was so bad I didn't even care about Ends. This trilogy caught the curse of garbabe Michael sequels.

[@animodium2670]

I like how all three films did exactly what the first three movies did respectively. Halloween (2018) was a return to the original tone of the first one, Halloween Kills upped the kills, and Halloween Ends took a turn into left field.

[@Mr8ofspades]

The death of Michael started with h20 and resurrection, this new trilogy brought him back to where he needed to be, this is the most consistent timeline in the series, blumhouse house trilogy and the thorn timeline are the best, john carpenter himself likes the new movie's his favourite is kills

[@skywalkershaun1]

The one thing I couldn’t wrap my head around with the reboot was Laurie’s methods. She has a vicious killer that doesn’t feel pain, and she goes after him with lever actions, revolvers, and pump shotguns. I was truly baffled. If it was me, I would have an ar10 with 25 round mags, a Glock 10mm with plenty of mags, and a Benelli M4. It almost seems like Hollywood is stuck in the 30s.

[@EvilDaren]

Someone that agrees with me, the Halloween 2018 was amaaaaazing, second best to the original...both sequels were terrible with glimpse of greatness at best

[@tokyojon4344]

After watching *Halloween Ends* three quarters in I was asking myself when the movie would begin. Yes, cutting out 75% of the movie would have been a huge improvement. And for that last quarter, the ending when Myers went into the grinder was completely unsatisfactory. Better ending would have been if Myers grabbed Laurie's leg and both Lauri and Myers went into the grinder together, fighting until the end.

[@greenman5229]

Myers picked his victims randomly sure but... they forgot that he was a stalker. He stalks the victims all day long. Then makes his move. He had this voyeuristic feel to him. He was strong and survived things most people wouldn't. Like the stab In the neck, the ribs and shit 6 times but he wasn't a murderer machine.

[@deathkage779]

If you want to know how and why Laurie was able to clap michael so easily in Ends I suggest you read the Halloween Ends Novel.

[@EverythingandNothingTV]

I gotta read the book now smh

[@deathkage779]

@@EverythingandNothingTV ikr it's so stupid that we have to buy and read a book just for context. Eventhough they could've put the context in the film.

[@79GUITAR]

Fuck the novel.... It's all food for idiots... Oh yeah it's what the book say now... Forget about previous rhetoric & how it doesn't make sense...The logic inserted now is what we believe even though the inserted logic specifically revolves around the franchise's main character...Logic that they would know before anyone....Like if I had to shit... I would go shit... So if Michael needs to kill...wouldn't he go kill or is it the injuries?.... Regardless neither makes no sense....with normal person logic... Michael would be dead but smoke inhalation & gettin' his neck stomped on doesn't bother him....Now I haven't seen this travesty yet because I knew it wouldn't be good months ago but I've seen & heard enough... So to prove it doesn't make sense... I'm hearing that the movie depicts that Michael has to kill to regain power & as I already said... Wouldn't Michael know that but in actuality that's not true.... Michael's Superhuman strength was evident when he cracked the car window with an open hand when he first broke out the mental facility in '78 ... He had only killed his sister.... So by writer's credit the logic inserted into this last installment is now believable.... Ridiculously believable to New World Thinkers.... Hilarious.🎃... The Shape Lurks🔨🔪🎃

[@Bgdk]

I don’t feel like reading it, tell me why

[@craftingranger7552]

@@deathkage779 you don't have to. The movie made it very clear that Michael is extremely weak in this film after the beating he got on Halloween in 2018 and Kills. The man got shot several times, stabbed and beat up, his face was burnt and he got hit by a car.

[@jekelly0908]

Halloween Ends started with this implausible idea that after slaughtering half the town in Halloween Kills Haddonfield residents kinda forget him. Michael then spends the next five years in a sewer.

[@8bitakvids]

I'm a big 4 and 5 fan. One and two are cool but yeah, 4 and 5 are the most fun to watch for me

[@robynanglin1369]

I totally agree 1 4 and 5 are my favorites

[@mrdemiurge7680]

Halloween 2018 isn't a remake, it's actually the second halloween of the new timeline The new timeline goes in this order halloween (1978), Halloween 2: 40 years later (2018), Halloween 3: Halloween kills (2021) and Halloween 4: Halloween ends (2022) The original timelime aka the cult of thorn timeline aka the Laurie dies timeline aka the jamie Lloyd timeline goes in this order Halloween (1978), Halloween 2 (1982), Halloween 3: the return of Michael myers (1988), Halloween 4: the revenge of Michael myers (1989), and Halloween 5: the curse of Michael myers (1995) The Laurie survives and fakes her death timeline goes in this order Halloween (1978), Halloween 2 (1982), Halloween 3: 20 years later (1998) aka h20, and Halloween 4: resurrection (2002) Then the rob zombie timeline Halloween (2007) and Halloween 2 (2009) Then the anthology timeline Halloween: season of the witch There are two Halloween ones and they are the original 1978 film and the rob zombie remake There are three Halloween two's and they are the original Halloween 2, rob zombies Halloween 2, and Halloween 40 years later (2018) There are three Halloween three's and they are Halloween the return of Michael myers, Halloween h20, and Halloween kills There are three Halloween four's and they are the revenge of Michael myers, Halloween resurrection, and Halloween Ends There is one Halloween 5 and that's the curse of Michael myers

[@JackAcid]

These reboots- every single one of them, including those God-awful Zombie 'remakes' - ALL of them have been masterclasses in abject greed and an almost total lack of creative talent. The series ended in 1981, with Halloween II.

[@kailshrouf2470]

It was a weird way to end the trilogy but it's not a bad film at all just misplaced one could say and I absolutely loved it. Also there will always be more halloween sequels amd reboots. Micheal, jason, freddy they are all classic monsters now like Frankenstein and Dracula and thier stories will always be retold.

[@deegan463]

We'll see. There hasn't been a Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elm Street sequel/remake/reboot since 09 and 2010 respectively. I thought the last Jason/Friday in ''09 wasn't half bad? But the Nightmare on Elm Street from 2010 sucked.

[@kailshrouf2470]

@@deegan463 a friday the 13th series is on it's way right now from A24 and the craven estate have been taking scripts for a new nightmare on elm street film for awhile now. They will return and again after that.