The Proflex problem

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[@victornavarro7703]

the proflex looks way cooler than any other mask IMHO. Its all just personal preference

[@colemancarson8118]

forreal. Proflexs are mean

[@LemonHead-sq5ws]

They look dated like old af also the mouth piece is ridiculous paint splatter on the mouth doesn’t feel good 😅

[@iamnanirandom2158]

Funny how 2 years later and future this will still be relevant

[@nogotrip6]

Good job Tim. Loved the part with the cutout convo “I will take every opportunity I can to shit talk hk”

[@MiscritsGamer]

Loved the way this video was formatted and the information given. Hard to believe this is your only video, would love to see more content brotha!🤙

[@robertlew3577]

The MSRP of the all black, non-"limited" edition ProFlex is still $85 and you can get them everywhere. No other goggle system has ever been more comfortable IMO than the spectras. I've been playing in them since 1998 and always find myself coming back to them after dabbling with other brands. Swapping lenses suck. It has gotten worse with the new plastics GI is using, but that's another reason why OG frames are desirable to some, it's a tiny bit easier to get lenses in and out.

[@fastest3246]

Lol

[@Pitman556]

They have a newer quick style frame. But I haven't used it before

[@stonnergaming420]

This is the type of content I've been looking for thank you !

[@ryanupchurch9683]

The setup in the early 2000s was soft earpiece pod if needed. Roll the bottom up and put in the lenses you want and choose your custom strap. Add beanie or sweatband

[@Bsfeeblegrind]

Just had this video in my recommended and it’s just as good the 2nd time. Please make more videos

[@sloanreisfelt9254]

They look cool and they feel great very breathable and very comfortable. I love JT products.

[@beef60]

phenomenal video, when I started getting into flex gear about 2 years ago the prices did not really bother me, I considered the fact most of the material was older and hard to find, certainly did not help the new flexes had such poor quality, it seemed like a no brainer to just browse around on a BST and get parts you wanted to make a mask. Was not super crazy into the look of the flexes, but the amount of customization I had at my disposal and the lack of interest I had with other masks, performance more than looks, I was hooked on it. Seeing other people buy in on it too and making their own flexes was cool to me, was like a weird little group of dudes trying to make their perfect mask. However a long the way you start seeing massive waves of people desperately trying to make money off people and using bait tactics when selling items. Now it is in a strange area where about 10 dudes decide how much to up charge everyone in an "open market". On top of that the pool of items available is diminished by the people who want to buy about 30 masks worth of parts just to have it sit on a shelf and never be played in. People are treating their proflex parts like an investment or a show piece. At the end of the day these masks and parts are meant to be used and played in not tortured on your shelf while you post on facebook how much you paid for it. This all being said I have spent far too much money on proflex parts and I am worried I will never recover from this financial blunder. And if you have made it this far, do not forget that however cool JT is, UGLYpb will always be cooler, thank you have a good day.

[@user-kt1rx8jj2t]

I showed up to training one day in my new Proflexs, they were beaut. One of the field's team, saw me looking happy in my shiny new gear. Took me out on the field and taught me the domination drill, never done it before. My goggles were new after that and only after :') They definitely shouldn't sit on the shelf.

[@masterofnone1481]

You earned a subscriber brother!!! Keep up the good work 🤘

[@Bsfeeblegrind]

I enjoyed this video thoroughly. I love my Evs, so easy to maintain and parts are available. Def want to build a nice flex some day but I’m in no hurry

[@opietaylor3260]

You should do podcasts. Listened to this on my drive home from work. Loved it

[@Hondo34]

Simple classic design but its the coolest looking mask to me. Just that old school vibe is timeless. Agg 🤙🏽

[@VanillaGorilla21]

When I die I want to be buried wearing my pro flex

[@XxJkatxX]

I have a mix of new and old masks. Proflex's, Push Unites, Dye I5's, and at the end of the day, I still wear Profilers still my favorite mask of all time. Lots of good info in the video #1 bit is that cats do not like to be held.

[@ApolloMedia]

RIP NO QUARTER :(

[@IanFitty]

Paintball is secretly an IRL MMO and proflexes, a sweaty and sun bleached Sandana that hasn’t been washed in 20 years, and custom anno give you good stats. I washed my pink sandana for the first time since 2010 and my speed dropped 12 points.

[@Deathrun.collective]

Great video, I honestly barely use my proflexs anymore, but have been pulling out the old highlighter proshield lately

[@ryanupchurch9683]

Man I feel bad about how nice we had it from about 1998 to 2008. When a Jt was just about a given. Some used other mask but it turns out they were probably weirdo’s

[@riflemanm16a2]

I bought a JT ProShield (I think) back in 2002 or so because it was around ~$40 and my friend recommended it. I actually never knew I could take the lens out. I tried a couple times and thought it would break if I did. When I got back into paintball in 2016, I found my mask in my duffel bag at the bottom of my closet, and the lens had been crushed, so I just threw the whole mask away, lol. I figured it was out of date anyway.

[@KooolAidPB]

The purple and Teal HK outfit/equipment comment had me weak AF for some reason. I didnt realize this was a common occurrence at other fields lol Loved the vid, bro

[@BillBrasky86]

fashion is cyclical and paintballers are fickle. buy the proflex-x, they will be cool in 10 years and worth 10x retail.

[@patrickbranchini378]

I started playing in the early 2000's. Proflexs were the mask then, and when I came back 15 years later, they were still king. Knowing the pitfalls of the mask, I couldn't pay what they're going for. I do love the breathability, the simplicity, and customizability, but the $$ and how difficult it is to change the lenses made me steer away from JTs version. I will probably always wear an Empire Eflex. It's the poor man's proflex, but in my opinion, it addressed the drawbacks of the proflex and is right up my ally. Great video. Thank you.

[@zackzittel7683]

I love my empire with awesome straps with metal clasp.

[@Technotranceism]

My favorite cost effective mask back in my day, was a vforce vantage foam. It was cheap, looked decent, breathed well, and literally an actual thermal single pane quick change lenses. Didn't get the support or recognition like their more popular masks did, but it was still a great mask for little money.

[@bryanmortenson6320]

I haven’t played in nearly 20 years I’m just now getting back into it. Ive owned many flex 7’s. I’m a pro flex/flex 7 guy for life…

[@chasenicholson237]

Great video. This being said I have 2 now. But I think they look sick and my whole team has them. I rocked proflex x’s for over a year but everyone said they looked trash 😂 (loved the quick change lenses but they do not look as good, have worse foam and it’s harder to hear from them.)

[@ryanupchurch9683]

I use to run a flex 7. Rolled up. With no ear protection. I did usually wear a beanie when playing but nothing when reffing. I refd alot

[@TheBluepoint9002]

Been playing since 94 and what I have seen in my time of playing is paintball go from pro player to pro industry around the late - mid 2000s and it's just gotten worse from there. these brands will milk anything for a dollar, from Pro-flexs to vintage paintball products that can be cheaply manufactured in China and that's where the loss of quality is. then turn around and sell it to me and you for 3-5x the cost to make them and they will continue to keep riding the coattails of these products until us the consumers. stop buying and for the few companies that haven't went down that path I'll gladly support.

[@mikelennie2848]

The jt rasta colors are amazing

[@mikelennie2848]

Force was my first mask had it for almost 7 years. Most amazing lenses to change. So east and simple and was a great mask for 40 bucks in 2004 ish. Now I rock the dye i4s those are nice

[@MyCentsTX]

Hmm. I have one and I even have a spare thermal lens. Didn't know they were worth that much

[@HaRdSCopINgCrEepEr]

from recommended, please make more videos, subbed

[@Attck.]

Damn this video is really good

[@Magnum5160]

I wore the same Spectra pro shield for 25ish years. What modern mask has a similar feel with hard ears and lots of coverage but easier to maintain and breathe through sprints? I got a KLR but the ears suck.

[@zackzittel7683]

Empire e-vent E flex. Breathes good, no fog, hard flush ear protection with steel mesh. Quick change lenses.

[@Jadedx_]

During the golden era of Pbnation, 02-08, had the same problem with "OG" flex parts. The 90s pieces were expensive then, the "rare" straps that came off their motocross goggles (referred to as "racing" straps), the bubble straps, techno straps, bubble straps, even the pro and classic straps all ran from $100 to the upper end of $300 back in the day. Then for mask parts, when Jt released their limited parts at Nppl HB in 04/05? (known as HB frames, bottoms, & the HB strap) those things went for $150 to ridiculous amounts of money, easily. There was always this weird phenomenon with "OG" gear in paintball. Look at what people paid for "OG" Sandana products from the 90s, like the brown leaf, tree trunk, & proline headwraps. You had people spending $500-$1000 like it was nothing on a Sandana headwrap and spending $100-$700 for the 90s early 2000s print headbands ("LE" Flying skulls colors and Snakestripes). Same thing with the pro jersey market back in the day, way too much money for an old used jersey of something that has no real investment. 9 times out of 10, the people who were selling this OG gear on pbnation didn't even play paintball anymore. Then when the recession hit in 08 and everyone started leaving the scene in droves, the prices for "OG" gear just kept decreasing significantly with each year. Money wasn't there for paintball and neither were the kids with their parent's money anymore. It wasn't until the past 5 years that prices have been more "expensive" because of the rise of these scummy FB B/S/T groups. Paintball has always had this weird side thing where people will pay a lot for yesterday's gear and there will always be those who are willing to capitalize on that nostalgia.

[@zackzittel7683]

Yeah, I don’t get the sandanna hype or the expensive straps. My favorite straps are off a set of snowboard gogs that have a metal clasp in the back so I can just unsnap the clasp and drop my mask. Cost me nothing.

[@Agerkillzz]

i got a hk klr and hated it so i got a vforce, hated it... then i got a proflex and i loved it, maybe its my head or whatever but the klr didnt cover me super well and it was loud when you were yelling. Overall the proflex is just super comfy and it doesnt weigh much. I hate how you change the lense though.

[@3dgenetics419]

Great vid. It’s kind of funny how much proflex guys will defend the mask like their life depends on it. I still love the Proflex but when you hear it’s hands down the best mask you gotta wonder what they’re smoking. There is so many better options on the market. It’s just still continuing to be a trend. I still wear a proflex even though I think it’s hands down worse than a Pushi unite, e-flex, Evs, vios. Because I’m a idiot 😂

[@cdeppracing216]

JT stands for Tijuana - "By 1970, the pharmacy was closed and the side business had become a full-time operation for the couple from San Diego. Selling mostly through mail order, JT Racing Imports (named by Rita in an inversion of the initials of the sock’s place of origin, Tijuana or “TJ”)

[@kcbros1515]

@11:38 There was mentioning of HK not making a customizing platform with their KLR mask. They actually did allow you customize/buy your KLR mask at one point. However, whether or not it's still a thing is beyond me. I took a screenshot of it and may start looking for it if it's no longer a thing. Never the less, I'm surprised that there has been no customized JT stuff from HK. They've done it with a shocker RSX, but time will tell.

[@neillmckee4927]

My first goggles was the JT whipper snappers from 91 then vents then back to JT with spectras back in 96

[@midnighttim5996]

Good stuff

[@crashdan0783]

So I've been playing since the late 90s. owned dozens of pro flexes and flex7s and other JT goggles (yes there were others). The lens change is horrible. I was lucky to have a JT sponsorship in the early 2000s which basically meant I didnt need to change a lens at an event. More recently I've developed a problem with the skin on my hands and it has made a JT lens change virtually impossible for me. A friend was playing with a push sponsored team and that mask has become my go to now. Lens change issue solved for me

[@verablack3137]

I liked the Scott masks more, but I wore a JT Spectra for a really long time, not sure what the actual mask itself was called back then. I kinda stopped wearing them because I didn't really want to be part of the trend and tbh better masks came out. I thought the Zleader and Vforce masks were kinda neat, Dye made the i5 which has a neat strap, and I now wear a Contour II which is a better mask than the Proflex in most ways.

[@rileyhartmann8181]

after watchin this video the paintball community labels you Not agg

[@rob_kasper_4410]

I can't believe not a single bass went for that lure all video.

[@johngotti7548]

no foam will ever compete with the thinkness of the jt masks 😂 and agg is how high you can put your tank on your shoulder brah lol

[@joshsheppard2426]

I was a hardcore Grillz guy til I gave a flex a chance one humid oklahoma day... it was life changing lol. I could breathe, and it also didn't sound like I was yelling at myself when calling positions.

[@sickmak90]

I’m in that same boat. I’ve tried some newer stuff (CMD/Push) and the Grillz are more comfortable to me but Jesus it sucks running around in the summer in them. I’m tempted to get another set of Proflex.

[@bryannewton4680]

Good Job bro!

[@GM-122]

One thing that is cool with proflexes is that you can change everything and customize it. However I really feel the CMD is such a better mask lol. You can often get them on sale for like 50% off. BunkerKings just doesn’t make cool and unique straps for whatever reason??

[@zackzittel7683]

I use snowboarding straps. They have metal clasps in the back.

[@FlickFreaks]

The proflex looks cooler than most masks out there. But that is beside the point. The breathability is the best. Honestly. I think the E-Flex is the best version of the goggle.

[@jordan1488]

All they had to do was sponsor X Factor and now I’m rocking a black and teal proflex over my far superior Zebra EVS.. fuckin hell nostalgia. Pod pack might as well be Tippmann, but it’s teal, so… gotta have it.

[@matt.a_of_fact]

I don't get it either. I had two pairs over the years, but once I had a Profiler and the Empire E-vents and E-flexs I never looked back. Changing the lenses to clean them is way worth it to me and the JT masks are terrible for that.

[@KraptainKrunCh]

I cant for the life of me find a replacement for a stolen JT Flex 8 in woodland camo for under $100 when I originally bought it upon release for $75. 😩

[@Caveira138]

I still wear my first set of proflexs but I picked up some Eflexs on the cheap and they're almost as good with an easier lense change. I refuse to buy the new JTs cause it's not the best value anymore since all the prices increased there's just better stuff for less money.

[@auctioning_my_time5535]

The two cats got the thumbs up lol.

[@toddles1977]

👍 for camera shy cats!

[@chris.5434]

Never seen anyone with a gi proflex have foam issues. We ball every weekend for the last two years with the same mask lol

[@michaelalvarez2669]

Need to make more vids bro 🤙🏻

[@derektodaro6362]

this video actually made me go out and buy a jt proflex 😅

[@dylancold23]

I’ll take my carbon mask

[@elicalvo3446]

Im part of the problem. Just copped the rasta proflex w lava lense. For 160

[@chriscox4936]

This one piece of equipment has survived all these years and the fact that you're doing an entire video talking about it kinda disproves everthing you've said here. There is no other product in the sport that has withstood the test of time other than painballs themselves.

[@painteaterpaintball]

My brother in christ the only bad thing I said about the mask was that it's a pain to change the lens, I wear proflexes almost exclusively, this video is more about how wild the hype culture about them was a a little over a year ago

[@chriscox4936]

@@painteaterpaintball The mask price you're upset about is the same as it always was. I was working as a ref when that mask came out. It was $80 to buy a stock black mask and then you had to purchase the individual pieces to upgrade it. The spectra lenses came later and those were another big cost. I had a pro flex that I spent $150 bucks on in 1998. Twenty five years later it's still the same.

[@elicalvo3446]

Those cats have anger issues. Lol

[@colemancarson8118]

whats wrong with the proflex x?

[@MicBreezeLives]

Mic is low.. Need more gain in future videos.. Compared to other KZbin videos this is like half the volume.

[@Sundayinthelife]

Matching gear is not agg. At least that wasn't the case in the early 2000s. I'm old now so maybe I'm out of touch lol

[@Sundayinthelife]

But anyway, the reason I love my proflexes is because it's super comfy, breathable, and light. The lenses are difficult to change relatively speaking to modern masks but once you change the lense once, it's a lot easier to do and I can probably have a lense changed within a few minutes. You don't need cotton swabs, just run the frames under hot water and you're good.

[@ashton35]

1st place at national tournaments is agg

[@DUNGSTA]

This guy really woke up and chose hate for people flexing on him...

[@collegepenetration1968]

Damn…. Aaaaaaand I just bought the Dynasty proflex… sorry it was cheaper than a CRBN pro.

[@jerrygutierrez9156]

I'm just going to get a e flex

[@xentaatnex8261]

Show up and show out.

[@DD-jx9jd]

What does the agg FTP stand for?.

[@painteaterpaintball]

Fuck the population

[@miguelgalencia1522]

😁👍🏼!

[@SORBETVM]

de cate attake

[@samlitwicky1725]

Come to Brazil

[@solidus1995]

I got the crbn zero

[@alejandrocarrillo3559]

I disagree with the comment on non educated people not thinking proflex's look cool. when I first started playing I bought a gi proshield bc it was cheap and I thought it looked cool and later on bought some flex 7 bottoms. 2 years later I now own 2 proflexes, a flexX, and a proteus

[@nismo209]

You get the mastodons yet?

[@painteaterpaintball]

I never did🥲

[@ashton35]

The market was ruined after 2013 Some really wack combos going on.. All black then a different strap is the way

[@toddles1977]

I like the flex due to wearing glasses. Not every mask works well 🤓

[@Dynamic1312]

The HK masks look terrible, bro. Personally, I think the Proflex is the best looking mask on the market besides the Carbon Zero. But the Proflex is less than half the price.

[@RiZLA421]

Agg af 🎉

[@asherjones6242]

Bro pretty much said if you use the proflex you just going for looks and suck on the field 😭

[@coryrandall4783]

No argument og jt usa was the best hands down

[@ponchbag]

KLR be lookin' lame as hell. Love your content though.

[@chrisfuchs5]

It’s pronounced hormeshish king

[@painteaterpaintball]

I'll go tag oli directly in the owners group and apologize

[@chrisfuchs5]

@@painteaterpaintball thatsh king shsit

[@MuttonChops24]

Your hate for HK is obnoxious. They are pioneers of the sport. They went from a small group of friends grinding every weekend to selling headbands out of the trunk of their car, to some of them becoming professional players, to being a multi million dollar brand. HK Army is the paintball dream while looking cool doing it. Its also clear that you've never actually played with any of them because they also happen to be the most chill and down to earth people that just want paintball to flourish. Talking down on HK makes you look like a fool.

[@painteaterpaintball]

Stick around because im currently working on my next video focused solely on hk and im sure youll be glad to see how my feelings towards them have changed since i released this video

[@MuttonChops24]

@@painteaterpaintball looking forward to it. Didn’t mean to be so harsh but I grew up playing with these dudes every weekend and have seen first hand how much they love paintball and how hard they’ve worked

[@nellen55]

klr are ugly af

[@socalpumpballer]

😂 when you said your first gloves were exalt you lost me. I don’t think you’ve been in the game long enough to understand all the nuances.

[@painteaterpaintball]

It's true that I haven't been in the sport nearly as long as a lot of people, what's the threshold I need to pass before I can publicly speak about this sport that I'm heavily involved in and I'll stop posting content til I reach that point

[@Lift_d]

Pointless

[@mikebangar2812]

How long have you been playing? Cause let me tell you.... OG Flex parts and straps of all kinds had a huge aftermarket even in the mid to late 2000's. I hear a lot of the talking points in this video and these are all things I've heard said on a field at one point between 2006 and 2010. There isn't really anything you can do about outside from making a KZbin video about...