In the 90's a Punisher Shirt just meant that you liked the comic books.
@MikeB128003 жыл бұрын
Yep, I was the only kid with one in my school.
@BRZbazzanx3 жыл бұрын
NO!!!
@Omnip073n773 жыл бұрын
Try that now and you'll trigger the beta males of your community
@billyboleson28303 жыл бұрын
@@Omnip073n77 Implying most people who wear it now arent beta male school shooters ....
@anon13x813 жыл бұрын
@@Omnip073n77 No you wear it now you’ll get sucked off by beta males that think blue lives matter
@MorningGI0ry3 жыл бұрын
I feel like at least 50% of the people who use the punisher skull are the type of people the navy seals copypasta was making fun of.
@CoolGuy-ct5gs3 жыл бұрын
“Bro vets”
@Del_S3 жыл бұрын
The Seals themselves have turned into a bit of a mess. Thanks to American Sniper and the Bin Laden op, it seems like they've followed in the footsteps of the SAS, and everyone's just there for a book deal.
@enduser84103 жыл бұрын
Like the people who put "MARINE" in their gamertag, and those who drive a Mustang or Challenger with a punisher sticker on it.
@alphabroncotwozero3923 жыл бұрын
Idk looks cool 😎😎
@veritas23063 жыл бұрын
@@Del_S Well said and entirely true. Moreover, the suicide rates of special team MIL personnel is staggeringly high not to mention their outright violent behavior once in the civilian world. Department of Defense and Department of Veteran Affairs are due for a legal reckoning.
@gyroownstheworld3 жыл бұрын
The Punisher: "This skull represents the failure of the justice system, the failure of the organizations that uphold them, and the vow I made to seek out my own." Police officers: "Yeah, I'mma wear that"
@plaguedoctorjamespainshe60093 жыл бұрын
Well, then they are using it corectly
@absanchez7773 жыл бұрын
You do realize a lot of military and police agree with Punisher's ideals of killing dangerous criminals
@coghostfox3 жыл бұрын
@@absanchez777 they're using it wrong. The Punisher even killed cops.
@l0sts0ul893 жыл бұрын
@@coghostfox Corrupt Cops* Punisher kills criminals The military also kill criminals Hell Frank is a solider
@coghostfox3 жыл бұрын
@@l0sts0ul89 corrupt cops are still cops. This logo has no place in law enforcement.
@Jim-Mc3 жыл бұрын
Conversely to this phenomenon, a lot of firefighters have used the Superman logo for some time. Probably a more appropriate model of public service.
@birtalanlorant55723 жыл бұрын
So a man that levels cities while fighting other baddies, endangering others causes millions or billions in damages is an appropiate logo?
@jayvang74903 жыл бұрын
@@birtalanlorant5572 Still better than a violent vigilante misanthrope. Superman is a bumbling idiot, but at least he's good morals and values.
@birtalanlorant55723 жыл бұрын
@@jayvang7490 I didnt say that the Punisher is any better, but its still a shitty symbol. Firefighters are cool, they dont need to wear patches of shitty superheroes.
@jayvang74903 жыл бұрын
@@birtalanlorant5572 Oh, I've misinterpreted your statement. But I agree.
@birtalanlorant55723 жыл бұрын
@@jayvang7490 Maybe I should have worded my comment more carefully, my bad.
@FPSDIESEL3 жыл бұрын
I'm a closet Punisher fan, really love the comics, and I thought the most recent Marvel series was an original take. You did a great job covering the history as well as keeping it pretty even leveled. Seriously great work
@sandyman60543 жыл бұрын
First person shooter gasoline
@salty1563 жыл бұрын
*formerly closeted*
@ottersirotten42903 жыл бұрын
since how long are you a Punisher Fan?
@davidthedegenerate78413 жыл бұрын
U used to be a good content creator
@johndough31253 жыл бұрын
The punisher is the best marvel character marvel has.
@Del_S3 жыл бұрын
One of the most important problems with the Punisher that rarely ever gets addressed: What the hell happened to that minigun he had at the end of Daredevil Season Two?! He never used it in his own show! Did he realise it'd cost like $400,000 to fire it for twelve seconds?
@nightfury84403 жыл бұрын
Better yet. How the fuck did he get one of those?
@Del_S3 жыл бұрын
@@nightfury8440 Clancy Brown had it at first and that explains everything since he's also The Kurgan, Lex Luthor, Drill Instructor Zim, and... uh, Mr Krabs.
@sinisterthoughts28963 жыл бұрын
@@Del_S holy crap, I didn't know he was Mr Krabs!
@HioshimaFried3 жыл бұрын
I bet that "central Florida man" I recently read about who bought a 200mm Vulcan Gatlingun would like a talk about that
@Del_S3 жыл бұрын
@@HioshimaFried There's a fine line between insanity and genius. He IS the line.
@arkadeepkundu47293 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for the episode about Mando helmets that'll be coming in a decade.
@Leo-vr3bg3 жыл бұрын
Mandolorians have been in military usage since about 2005 I want to say, considering their kind of “Spartan” life style. Knew quite a few marines that had patches or got tattoos.
@tk-52683 жыл бұрын
The mando mythosaur skull has been used for years already
@sneedmando1863 жыл бұрын
Not a soldier, but we are everywhere. Also, Suc’cuy gar Vode! 😉 This is the way
@tk-52683 жыл бұрын
@@sneedmando186 glory to Mand'alor!
@sinisterthoughts28963 жыл бұрын
It's already been about for years, but yes, it is super cringe-y.
@jeffchan9543 жыл бұрын
Not going to lie, this man prob had to read a shit ton of comics for research purposes. Mad respect.
@jerry123143 жыл бұрын
And CNN, MSNBC, ADL and SPLC.
@bravo69593 жыл бұрын
@@jerry12314 what
@trash93783 жыл бұрын
@@bravo6959 probably cause he mentioned a lot of political shit, and remained perfectly neutral. The person is upset that he never lambasted antifa or blm
@rolandkatsuragi3 жыл бұрын
Not really, most of this is superficial material that's well documented and reasonably accessible
@jeffchan9543 жыл бұрын
@@bravo6959 just the amount of comics my dude, like this guy has prob read some of the more obscure stuff like Punisher Max and Punisher goes to Nam.
@andarted3 жыл бұрын
_"Have you noticed that our caps have actually little pictures of skulls on them?..._ _...Hans, ..._ _...are we the Baddies?"_
@arieson77153 жыл бұрын
That joke doesn't make any sense since both the Brits and Americans used skulls in their military logos.
@user-ue8il6jx3b3 жыл бұрын
@@arieson7715 doesn’t it though?
@ericstahmer7203 жыл бұрын
@@arieson7715 you say that as if both the Brits and Americans haven't been the "baddies" of history at some point.
@avencannon97193 жыл бұрын
Love that skit
@ThatGearCollector20023 жыл бұрын
Totenkopf ☠️
@apatureemployee253 жыл бұрын
"I'll say this only once, we're not the same. You took an oath to uphold the law. you help people. I gave that all up a long time ago. You don't do what I do, nobody does. You boys need a role model? His name is Captain America and he'd be happy to have you" - The Punisher to police officers who idolised him
@tubeguy40663 жыл бұрын
lmao that virtue signaling
@jockeyfield19543 жыл бұрын
i really love that last line of referencing captain america because he's what should represent american law enforcement and military a patriot that does anything in their power to uphold peace of the united states and all their allies not a vigilante on a mission to get revenge
@rob37913 жыл бұрын
People always forget to add the best line of that comic. Cop: Who the hell do you think you are? Like it or not, you started something. You showed how It's done. Now you don't like others following your example? Too bad tough guy. Punisher: If I find out you are trying to do what I do, I'll come for you next. Cop: Careful what you say here Castle. Starting to sound an awful lot like a threat. Punisher: It was.
@1CE.3 жыл бұрын
Typed by someone who just heard that line 2 minutes ago You’re offended by the logo we get it but don’t be insufferable
@apatureemployee253 жыл бұрын
@@1CE. I take no offence from the symbol at all. I fully understand what it represents and why people use it. But if you get offended by by a relevant quote about using the punisher skull symbol from a comic book character then that's on you.
@peteranderson0373 жыл бұрын
I love the Punisher skull. It allows me to pick out the cringe lords in any community.
@ethan53543 жыл бұрын
Police officers forming a secret club called "The Punishers" and wearing matching black clothes to commit "vigilante justice" is kind of the cringiest thing you could do
@peteranderson0373 жыл бұрын
@@ethan5354 The whole thing is a massive cringe fest. Everything about the symbol, all the way back to the original comic, is a power fantasy. The symbol is almost always used by people who have some power, regardless of social status or political beliefs, and have a "might makes right" attitude about getting more.
@lunchpin4033 жыл бұрын
It smacks of energy drink addiction
@DeanmC2619933 жыл бұрын
@@peteranderson037 especially when the punisher isn’t supposed to be someone who’s idolized but pittied because of how fucked up he and his life is and how he will never find solace. BUT NAH THO DUDE BRO YEAAAH PUNISHER LIFE WOOT
@ShutUpBubi3 жыл бұрын
nerds
@freddymegax44813 жыл бұрын
I love how all the real-life people and groups who appropriated the skull don't ACTUALLY understand the Punisher
@returnofplex3 жыл бұрын
No doubt. It's on every truck where I live. They have NO idea what it actually means.
@GloriousSquizoKing.3 жыл бұрын
That fact alone makes them more stupid.
@casematecardinal3 жыл бұрын
A man with strict moral codes who actively fights against corruption?
@zachantes11613 жыл бұрын
@@casematecardinal Or a mass murderer who takes it upon himself to be judge, jury, and executioner. Which is why it's fucked up fpr cops to use it when one of the largest complaints agianst them is literally their over use of lethal force
@LadyLuck-rd5vi3 жыл бұрын
@@RapidFireReaper your pfp being a punisher skull makes this. You missed the point dude
@paragonrobbie92703 жыл бұрын
Being a fan of the Punisher has been...difficult these days. I just wanna show love for my favorite edgy anti-hero.
@arkanstigers60073 жыл бұрын
Then do it
@arkanstigers60073 жыл бұрын
I’m left wing and I have a punisher hoodie it’s only liberals who complain
@revenge32653 жыл бұрын
@@arkanstigers6007 Define what's considered "complaining" to you. Critiquing the use of these symbols by police, B2B, and other similar groups is not "complaining", with said critique being a big thing in the actual Left. Anyways, no one is saying you can't like Punisher so let's not misrepresent the argument. I expected more from someone who's "Left wing".
@arkanstigers60073 жыл бұрын
We just all gotta chill with the symbols yes if it’s used in a context where it’s extreme it’s bad ofc Punisher skull Viking symbol but don’t assume someone who has a hat or T-shirt with punisher on they are pro police or military one of the writers who wrote one comic idk who said he does not like what he’s being used for the man is anti police and anti military if you actually read the comics or watch the movie you will see it’s like a last thing you see before death to bad people the bad people in this scenario are the right wingers who use it to target Muslims you can tell this because the American or blue lives matter flag is printed on it so I think we should just chill don’t assume things unless it’s got a huge dog whistle to it
@HeyArlo3 жыл бұрын
@@revenge3265 Retiring the punisher or his symbol because people stole and misused it is just dumb tho. You can agree on that right?
@thesadprepper37223 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who genuinely likes The Punisher skull and comics because hes a badass character and understands its fiction?
@sparkyshark2363 жыл бұрын
Honestly if I were to ever wear a skull I'd make my own instead of using the Punishers
@alleyoop44653 жыл бұрын
Yep, it's pretty much just you
@JohnDoe-wt9ek3 жыл бұрын
You're not alone. It was once edgy to have the punisher logo. Now its even more edgy to hate it because its edgy to like it... Gotta love stupid people and how they have to be trendy. I'll like what I like, regardless of what people think...
@2OldGeeksTalking2 жыл бұрын
No, you are not the only one. I am a huge Punisher fan.....loved Garth Ennis's run.
@JoshtheBackwoodsStoryteller Жыл бұрын
We are living in an age where millions of people cannot tell the difference between reality and fantasy anymore.
@nunyabidniz28683 жыл бұрын
You didn't mention that the Jolly Roger ensign was the symbol for "We'll take prisoners & ransom" vs. red ensign "You've pissed us off now & you're all going to die, you should have surrendered when you had the chance." in pirate use...
@sinisterthoughts28963 жыл бұрын
I am familiar red flags designated 'more aggressive pirates', but I wasn't sure that was anything more than an intimidation tactic. The red pirate flags I was familiar with were the specific flags of specific captain's, so they didn't have a 'standard' flag. So I thought it was just a design choice to look scary, not a sure-fure declaration, to be flown when necessary, especially since flags were precious and expensive and multiple flags to fly would be quite an expense.
@johnbeauvais31593 жыл бұрын
Ah so pirate history mostly comes from one guy that was either a pirate or a member of the British bureaucracy that would issue pardons to pirates. It’s generally reliable but not perfect. So the Devil stabbing the heart that we associate with Blackbeard probably wasn’t exclusive to him as there are accounts of pirates being hanged under the flag of their ship which is very similar, of course brand recognition is a thing and they probably copied the angriest bastard they could think of in the hopes that merchants would go “Oh fuck Blackbeard better just give up” Moreover there wasn’t ever really an agreement about Black vs Red and was more dependent on what the crew could make up, some people weren’t good at making skulls perhaps. Jean Duleain (check spelling) for example flew a black flag and would let his prize fire three times before declaring that they would have to die when they got caught unless they were Spanish, then it was death for certain. So we can assume that a lot of pirates flew a plain black flag because it was a straightforward established symbol of “death is here” from plague ships moored in harbors. Also literacy wasn’t great back then so a description of “A black flag adorned with a skeleton a sword and a heart” could be depicted many different ways and associated with multiple pirates. This is further muddled by the pirates using many different names and some accidentally having the same name like “Black Sam” who was likely Sam Bellamy and Samual Brown. TL;DR Pirate flags are a mess and probably not as cool as we all think but it won’t stop me from enjoying them.
@webtoedman3 жыл бұрын
@@johnbeauvais3159 Jolly Roger is believed to be a corruption of french "La jolie rouge", the red flag.
@johnbeauvais31593 жыл бұрын
@@webtoedman True, it’s also credited to being “Jolly old Roger” which was a euphemism for the devil.
@clevermcgenericname8913 жыл бұрын
The best Punisher comic panel: Surrounded by burnt out cars, spent shell casings and body bags, a NYPD officer answers an off panel question; "AM I SURE IT WAS THE PUNISHER?!? IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE FUNNY?!?"
@Seth98093 жыл бұрын
Lawl.
@diegomedina41453 жыл бұрын
Which issue was that?
@Griff003 жыл бұрын
@@diegomedina4145 Marvel Knights: Punisher Vol 1
@theaether31243 жыл бұрын
so glad my punisher t shirt has the words "the punisher" as well just so I'm not caught up with the skulls meaning and just appriciate the show and bernthals acting
@sinisterthoughts28963 жыл бұрын
Sad that one must make the distinction, isn't it?
@someonerandom85523 жыл бұрын
Omg same. I like the character but his merch now has a cringelord association. Goddamned edgelords
@alastor80913 жыл бұрын
@@sinisterthoughts2896 no, you dont have to.
@darkmario33213 жыл бұрын
@@alastor8091 ?
@alastor80913 жыл бұрын
@@darkmario3321 just rock what you want. Its not an overt hate symbol like a Black Swastika on a white and red vack ground, its not a unique emblem like the Sickle and Hammer, its a logo from a comic book that looks cool. Automatically allowing the negative aspects of things to trump thr good ones gives power to your enemies. Imagine if Neo Natsocs started using the rainbow. You wouldn't just give it to them would you?
@apae2253 жыл бұрын
When I was little and saw the punisher skull on people's uniforms and stuff, I just thought they were a fan of Marvel. Needless to say I was always wondering how such a huge fan base was never as vocal as the fans for other Marvel characters, especially considering the effort to spray paint his emblem and make patches and stuff. You never see a cop with Spiderman's spider emblem.
@kal-eljordan83293 жыл бұрын
SirCereal.... Because spiderman is a teenager and wears tights! Sorry. Couldn't resist
@JohnDoe-wt9ek3 жыл бұрын
Because most other super heroes are pretentious on the grounds that "Killing your enemy makes you just like them," Whereas Punisher just thinks "Killing your enemy means less enemy to worry about later," Especially when considering that while Batman and Superman and Spiderman and Wonder Woman and all the others are constantly having to fight the same enemies, over and over... Punisher typically only has to fight his particular enemy once. Because they don't get back up when he accomplishes his mission.
@MrCadet08 Жыл бұрын
I got the punisher skull tattoo 19 years ago....most of my platoon got some variation of that same tattoo
@v-zer03 жыл бұрын
As a Norwegian, I had no idea of this within the Norwegian army. You learn something new every day.
@maxisvonstoffenberg40673 жыл бұрын
Nice profile pic
@BaconDragon-yr5vf3 жыл бұрын
Norway has a army?
@landuit85773 жыл бұрын
Same with me and Canada, it was certainly a shock seeing the Canadian variant. I mean seriously, they just added a line right through the middle, absolutely no regard to proper flag design!
@billieeisenhower4063 жыл бұрын
@@BaconDragon-yr5vf a pretty advanced one at that, they deploy more advanced weapons than Sverige.
@xxxxxx58682 жыл бұрын
@@BaconDragon-yr5vf Bruh the Norwegian military is one of the best lmao
@Nachoto3 жыл бұрын
*Frank Castle:* is a demented murderer that has given up on justice and is on a suicidal quest of endless revenge *Bob, 55, Alabama, eyeballed an interracial couple in the mall for 20 mins:* OMG HE IS LITERALLY ME
@CrypticlyEncrypted3 жыл бұрын
Both suck
@Nachoto3 жыл бұрын
@@CrypticlyEncrypted the only correct answer.
@1CE.3 жыл бұрын
You should stay on Reddit my guy
@MaggiesNight3 жыл бұрын
Yep, you clearly know nothing about the Punisher...
@Nachoto3 жыл бұрын
@@MaggiesNight enlighten me then dude. i never said i didn't like the punisher, he is really badass but also a complex character. It takes a little thought too see past Frank's motivations and principles and start seeing his methods and actions. He is like that by design, and i like it that way, but if you can't see past the "badass guy kills bad guy" aesthetic, you don't understand Punisher
@gunterstraus6063 жыл бұрын
You've done an excellent job in approaching the history and usage of this symbol in a relevant and nuanced manner
@Leo-vr3bg3 жыл бұрын
Agreed, he was skating in thin ice the whole video, but managed to make it all the way. Very respectable.
@hangingchad16163 жыл бұрын
I don’t think it’s sufficiently nuanced, due to the lack of detail on the groups using the logo. In the attempt to skate between controversy, he lost necessary context.
@uzaautumus3 жыл бұрын
@@hangingchad1616 ...exactly ...me....you + everybody in this comment section can pretty much piece together that the skull face paint and or design was most likely used by an african or native Indian tribe that was wiped out ...and the conquerors said thanks guys ...and we'll never really know 😂
@JPackal843 жыл бұрын
It’s barely been an hour but I can already feel that this comment section is gonna get spicy and locked in no time flat.
@exacthobosoup12313 жыл бұрын
Oh no doubt.
@swemn80623 жыл бұрын
Actualy surprised about how little hate coments therw have been on a chanel about military uniforms. I whoudve expected many more people taking issue with his prespective that the skull was used by white supremesists.
@henderson23943 жыл бұрын
i live for the spice, welcome to hot ones bois
@Druchii3 жыл бұрын
@@swemn8062 same, even though it’s a fact but I expected tons of denial or ‘well actually...’ guys.
@phil_cassidy3 жыл бұрын
@@swemn8062 I feel like a significant part of the audience here are collectors. Most of us are nerds, not nazis.
@roninbudo3 жыл бұрын
WHEN YOU HAVE FIRE TRUCKS WITH THE PUNISHER ON THEM, WE ARE PAST THE PART THAT EVERY ONE HAS ADOPTED IT FOR EVERYTHING.....
@nicholasbeach49093 жыл бұрын
I saw that in my city and I thought to myself “who are they trying to intimidate?” Lol. Go get the cat out of the tree.
@devinosland3593 жыл бұрын
@@nicholasbeach4909 fear is acually how we fight fires, the water is just a government cover up
@chibani-3 жыл бұрын
Don't know about your country but in mine firefighters are can be used as police/medic (mostly in drunken non-armed encounter of course)if none police officers are on the scene. Now the punisher skull is reaally become a sign of rally of every trash-people of every communities. Edit: i've just realised that my profile pic (from mgs) contain a skull, atleast it's not the punisher's skull and i don't do politics soo.
@devinosland3593 жыл бұрын
@@chibani- i dont know about them acting as police so much, they are kind of an authority and would probably like break up fights and stuff but i dont think they can detain anyone outside of what a normal citizen could do. Being medics however, they absolutely do, they're firemen and I'm pretty sure they all have to go through first aid training and all that, plus they also always travel with an ambulance. If the firefighters are called then an ambulance or probably multiple depending on the call will always go with them.
@1CE.3 жыл бұрын
Exactly People are just digging for some deeper meaning that isn’t there It’s just looks cool, that’s literally it but sensitive types see it mainly used by the right wing and so must seeth
@callsignsleepwalker72313 жыл бұрын
As a star was nerd and a Marine veteran .the mythosuar skull (sometimes referred to as bantha skull) is becoming the new cringe lord skull.
@Phoenix_OP3 жыл бұрын
I hope the idiot don't ruin the Mythosuar skull like they did with the Punisher Skull
@Mortablunt3 жыл бұрын
Plz no
@sneedmando1863 жыл бұрын
THIS
@ubcroel40223 жыл бұрын
What was your MOS?
@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive3 жыл бұрын
ubcroel Here’s my chain code.
@ji31943 жыл бұрын
As a lifelong Punisher fan thank you for this great look at the symbol. Even as a vet and fan I am saddened by the use of the logo by folks that miss the whole point of Frank and how his life isn't to be idolized but pitied as he has lost everything and just has unending violence now.
@unknownhandyman68213 жыл бұрын
I feel you. Quick question: is it me or is wearing a skull while working in law inforcement is not really good?
@lostsaxon74783 жыл бұрын
@@unknownhandyman6821 it shows they're idiots. The Punisher killed cops too because they were criminals, yet Cops who wear it won't so much as report the criminal element among them.
@someonerandom85523 жыл бұрын
The creator of the Punisher, Gerry Conway, has said as much in no uncertain terms. I like that he’s trying to reclaim his logo
@jayvang74903 жыл бұрын
Very simple reason: he's too badass, that impresses people to the point that they want to emulate the impossible efficiency of the Punisher, while ignoring his tragic, tortured life and horrible moral boundaries.
@michealhoffstater9810 Жыл бұрын
@@someonerandom8552 By being a hypocrite and reappropriating it for shit way outside its original context?
@skinc4rver3 жыл бұрын
The fact that police relate to the Punisher and can’t read the subtext of the character is a huge problem as is. Frank’s mindset is he should be “judge, jury, and executioner” and that criminals, regardless of what they do, shouldn’t be shown any mercy. The police are not and never should be any of those things, and we have courts for a reason.
@Eric-vs2he2 жыл бұрын
To be fair, I'm pretty sure most police officers uses the symbol because they think it's cool without knowing or caring about the meaning behind the skull
@LukeSturges2 жыл бұрын
Not saying me or anyone else is gonna go around shit wacking criminals but often times courts do jackshit
@absanchez777 Жыл бұрын
They know that plently of cops have also seen some of the worst humanity had to offer. Bet you some of them wish they could just kill the criminals (actual criminals) they come across but if the criminal surrenders they have to follow their police training and detain
@marcosburgos84153 жыл бұрын
The Punisher skull has become pretty cringe ngl. Esspecially after police and even fire fighters began using it. In a year or two we should expect to see thin yellow line punisher apparel for "badass" Forklift drivers to intimidate boxes and show brotherhood among other Forklift operators.
@Cato763 жыл бұрын
thin tow line
@ooonyxxx3 жыл бұрын
"if those damn liberal wanna take my forklift, they'd have to take it from my cold dead hands"
@lunchpin4033 жыл бұрын
I respect our beautiful forklift operators
@Kai-ky6tf3 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@pyeitme5083 жыл бұрын
Yeah sad
@12gauge_shawtyy3 жыл бұрын
idk man, i feel like a group made to "protect and serve" shouldn't be represented by a skull or a "warrior symbol." i just feel like cops should be oriented towards helping people instead of, you know, killing
@lordskeletor45583 жыл бұрын
Yeah but if someone is a fan of the character they shouldn't be made fun of because its 'cringe'
@pugasaurusrex82533 жыл бұрын
@@lordskeletor4558 While I do agree with you It’s better to leave that kind of stuff at home
@gyarddog19353 жыл бұрын
I think they should also realize that the punisher logo is a symbol of the failure of law enforcement and the justice system.
@sidneygaylord4773 жыл бұрын
@@lordskeletor4558 bronies and furries are cringe, I will not stop mocking them for that.
@mmartinisgreat3 жыл бұрын
You from usa?
@MakeItWithJim3 жыл бұрын
Un-ironed flags really grind my gears
@padenlisk24473 жыл бұрын
Do you iron flags like the American flag. Why?
@moth87753 жыл бұрын
@@padenlisk2447 No one likes wrinkles
@dominicbegay93553 жыл бұрын
@@padenlisk2447 It looks very unprofessional, like using a skull as an insignia unironically
@ottersirotten42903 жыл бұрын
@@dominicbegay9355 its preety much the oldest insignia for military/police/warbands... or really anything involving combat there is. Also using any insignia ironicly is unprofessional
@pillscottvt66283 жыл бұрын
Get some deployment dust on them with pride.
@BeefyRider3 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate the use of the 2004 Punisher OST in the background. I remember when the Punisher skull was cool. Many, many years ago. But now, it'd be hard to find someone who doesn't think it's cringe. Including myself.
@Leo-vr3bg3 жыл бұрын
It’s really only suitable in a military context. Everywhere else is kind of stupid. The idea of justified killing is a pillar of war, and honestly, the punisher skull in the ME has gained a more military role than a relation to the comic book, with it being a common tag, as was shown in the video.
@JP-rf8rr3 жыл бұрын
The skull is still cool, some of the people who use it are cringe though. Do not mistake the 2.
@BeefyRider3 жыл бұрын
@@JP-rf8rr there are too many cringe people wearing so the skull is no longer cool.
@JP-rf8rr3 жыл бұрын
@@BeefyRider I don't think that follows. If I like x and think it's cool (1) and other people who are cringe also think it's cool.(2) other people liking x changes x.(a) Then the x I like is now cringe.(3) I'm gonna have to disagree on your hidden premise (a).
@BeefyRider3 жыл бұрын
@@JP-rf8rr don't bring math into this. Or whatever that is. When the Punisher skull was a symbol for righting wrongs and fighting back against a corrupt system, it was cool. But when the symbol came to mean something else and the original message was subverted by every douchebag who thought he was Frank Castle as he cleaned up the Walmart parking lot of all the wolves and sheep, it lost its meaning. It became cringe. Punisher skull sucks now. End of story.
@MrStag-gy9yn3 жыл бұрын
whooboy this is a minefield episode if I ever seen one. Uniform History has more balls than I
@jerry123143 жыл бұрын
It takes balls to have such milquetoast views and opinion that is regurgitated by 99% of the mainstream media.
@jatelf73 жыл бұрын
@@jerry12314 What views and opinions. He put as much history and facts into 35 minute KZbin video. He didn't say which side was right he just pointed out what the major opinions are. Just because the video didn't vindicate your beliefs doesn't mean he did a bad job.
@pollito62113 жыл бұрын
@@jerry12314 lol wut
@LordVader10943 жыл бұрын
@@jatelf7 Like he said, it's milquetoast as fuck. There's nothing ballsy about that. OP was saying that it was ballsy, when being completely neutral and not siding with anyone isn't remotely ballsy.
@jatelf73 жыл бұрын
@@LordVader1094 But it wasn't supposed to be ballsy. He was just stating history and facts about how it is seen.
@CatBountry3 жыл бұрын
I hate that seeing a Punisher skull no longer alerts me that somebody else is a fan of the comics, and instead that they're probably somebody I would just find insufferable to talk to. I love The Punisher comics. One of my favorite storylines is when he infiltrates a white supremacist group run by Hatemonger (who, yes, is an actual Marvel comics villain and mostly went up against Captain America), and very interestingly in retrospect, The Punisher dons a version of his uniform with the Punisher skull that looks like Captain America's in his final showdown against Hatemonger. There were even flashbacks included of The Punisher's previous encounters with Cap, and it clearly shows that as much as The Punisher revered Cap, Cap friggin' hated The Punisher and everything he stood for, and was not afraid to say so. This storyline took place after Cap was killed in the events following the Marvel Civil War, and another superhero did chew out Punisher for the Cap-inspired uniform. It's just very interesting to me that the issue of a symbol being appropriated by bad actors was explored in the mid-2000's, around the time when the Punisher skull was first being used in Iraq, and now we have white supremacists, a group that Frank fought against in the comics and hated, also adopting his skull. Frank Castle, when he's written well, can be such a complex and interesting character in the Marvel universe. He can also be a lot of fun, since a lot of writers like to use him for very dark humor and it's great. It just sucks to see people who probably don't even read comics just adopt the skull and turn it into a symbol of their weird beliefs. At least this would never happen to my mans Howard the Duck.
@KillerOrca3 жыл бұрын
I remember Hatemonger. I thought he seemed kinda silly as a villain...then I got older, and I realized its Marvel being meta again.
@CatBountry3 жыл бұрын
@@KillerOrca Also, I thought he was mostly a Cap villain but he premiered fighting the Fantastic Four and Nick Fury.
@CatBountry3 жыл бұрын
@John Doe I'm not a fan of seeing people like white supremacists use things and then just rolling over and giving it to them but at the same time, I also don't want to have to explain myself whenever I go out in public with merch for a comic book character I like. I'd feel safer wearing Punisher merch at a comic book convention than I would just out on the town. It's funny, because I also have a parody MAGA hat that says "Make Everything Terrible Again" that I also don't wear outside of conventions because I feel like people are more inclined to read things and accept irony. I did have one person say they were on edge when they saw it... until they read it. Weirdly, I was in a pre-registration line for an anime convention a few years back and was a few spaces ahead of a dude wearing a real MAGA hat with different colors. And he had a thick west African accent. I do like the idea of repurposing or taking back symbols used by groups like this, but unfortunately, there are also people who just like to pick fights and don't want to hear your explanation of "I'm just a fan of the comics." I am very small and easily overpowered, so I tend to be very conflict avoidant IRL. I won't tell any Punisher fan that they can't wear Punisher merch. I just wish I could wear it without fear of somebody singling me out as a right-wing, white supremacist, and it sucks. My Howard the Duck shirt, though? That gets me compliments. I love my Howard the Duck shirt. It unites us all.
@ravenfrancis14763 жыл бұрын
@@KillerOrca If the factt that 70 million people voted for a man that openly supported Neo-Nazis and fascist insurrectionists have anything to say about it, a hypernationalist militaristic jackass with a penchant for general bigotry is disturbingly accurate to what would happen in real life were the story of Cap to be real.
@KillerOrca3 жыл бұрын
@@ravenfrancis1476 Like I said, Marvel being meta again.
@yellowprime84913 жыл бұрын
On etsy or FB markerplace found the Punisher Skull icon used for an Electrical Workers Union patch. Super cringe.
@henderson23943 жыл бұрын
Have you seen the disney punisher skulls? You have not seen cringe until you've seen the Disney punisher skulls
@erikrungemadsen20813 жыл бұрын
@@henderson2394 Like Mickey mouse ears an stuff?
@yellowprime84913 жыл бұрын
@@henderson2394 what?! Gotta image search to check that out
@henderson23943 жыл бұрын
@@yellowprime8491 google "Disney punisher challenge coin"
@Mortablunt3 жыл бұрын
Their image should be the shocker fingers.
@Hysterically_Accurate3 жыл бұрын
If Police want a superhero logo to put on patches and stickers, they should take the Superman logo. Superman is a character that represents protection, peacekeeping, and order, while the Punisher is effectively the opposite of that. Hell, even Batman would be a better logo since the character doesn't kill and works with the police.
@065Tim3 жыл бұрын
I just love it when logistical units use the punisher skull.
@Maryland_Kulak8 ай бұрын
They should use an image of a pregnant soldier getting out of a deployment.
@CallsignYukiMizuki3 жыл бұрын
Perfect timing. I was wondering about this a few days ago
@pyeitme5083 жыл бұрын
Agree
@jasonarmstrong57503 жыл бұрын
Please cover the uniforms of the Metal Gear Solid series next
@pyeitme5083 жыл бұрын
Agree or maybe Ghost Recon too.
@axelpatrickb.pingol32283 жыл бұрын
So, does it includes Quiet's?
@Del_S3 жыл бұрын
Cue a twenty minute long video about cardboard boxes :P
@DonnieCoron4do3 жыл бұрын
@@axelpatrickb.pingol3228 she has Alice gear so yes
@Clay36133 жыл бұрын
5 hours later...
@Rowe4900candymachine3 жыл бұрын
It symbolizes hitting the gas pedal as hard as you can at every stop light in your diesel truck.
@jockeyfield19543 жыл бұрын
punisher skull: i'm the edgiest skull there is! payday 2 skulldozer: *O B S E R V E*
@wicked_death28593 жыл бұрын
Eh, it's alright, definitely inspired by Punishers skull though, nah, edgiest skull goes to Logan's mask from Call of Duty Ghosts
@alexfp59803 жыл бұрын
The blue lives matter one always makes me giggle. Punisher literally killed corrupt cops and any cop who got in his way of defeating crime lmao. I never seen a good cop kill a corrupt cop so I don’t wanna see them rock the skull EVER.
@creepypastacraft3 жыл бұрын
There isn’t such thing as a good cop 😂 I mean unless you consider them nice for not killing you.
@Farless_3 жыл бұрын
@@creepypastacraft fym no such thing as a good cop
@russell285333 жыл бұрын
The Punisher skull with Trump hair is absolute cringe.
@MrViki603 жыл бұрын
Hilarious you mean.
@mikhaelgribkov41173 жыл бұрын
Real life become satire at this point.
@renaissancemarinetv35363 жыл бұрын
if Marvel "retires" the logo then no bad people can use it anymore. yep. that makes sense.
@tubeguy40663 жыл бұрын
lol they tried to did the same crap with Pepe
@mechanomics26493 жыл бұрын
Marvel is a business. The suits don't actually care about the issue and how to solve it, they want to do whatever they think will make them the most money.
@ottersirotten42903 жыл бұрын
@@tubeguy4066 was just about to comment the same ;D
@JohnSmith-xv2ob3 жыл бұрын
Ironically no longer using the symbol makes it exclusively a real life (x) symbol
@joeljanssonhernstrom18193 жыл бұрын
@John Smith what in tarnation does (x) means?
@GenMaj_Knight3 жыл бұрын
The Totenkopf was used more by Panzer and Cavalry units by the Germans than the SS. The Death's Head is still used today by some British, American, and Korean units.
@OhukaisMies_543 жыл бұрын
yea the SS for example had the skull WITH the chinbone and regular Wermacht panzer units which all also had a skull wore a skull WITHOUT the chinbone
@GenMaj_Knight3 жыл бұрын
@@OhukaisMies_54 Well it all depended on the manufacturer, typically skull, jaw, and crossbones would all be included but some units did try to make their own skulls/designs, some like the old Prussian Hussars with no jawbone or some like the Brunswick whatever-their-name-was where the skull was directly forward.
@ottersirotten42903 жыл бұрын
@@GenMaj_Knight Nah regarding WWII Patrick is right, the SS designed their Scull intentionally with Chinbones to differentiate from the chinless Sculls used by other Formations.
@wokekkk3 жыл бұрын
thin blue line is hella cringe
@Tyler_Lalonde-3 жыл бұрын
18:48 you're throwing every militia group in the same category as white supremacist. That's some bs.
@theabsorbingman24923 жыл бұрын
Facts 💯 but you know how the left operate. They are allowed to do anything they want and the media keeps there mouth shut.
@huebuckle81983 жыл бұрын
Militias are cringe military wannabes playing dress up and shooting guns
@rwps36772 жыл бұрын
@@huebuckle8198 The ones that kicked the Brits out and made the USA a thing? Makes sense...
@cooper53243 жыл бұрын
The whole use of the symbol especially by militias and police gives me, “I can stop a school shooter with karate” vibes. It’s like the weird kid’s power fantasy.
@james53493 жыл бұрын
It's ironic that police use the punisher skull since the punisher in comics hates the police because they did nothing to help find his families killers
@juggmane3k8303 жыл бұрын
ironic but w.e
@maivinsteffensen21993 жыл бұрын
It could be a reminder to themselves never let things get to the point that created the punisher. Basically a warning to themselves to be better.
@ottersirotten42903 жыл бұрын
He is an ex Cop him self and certainly doesnt hate the police, he just thinks their hands are tied, thats why he gladly accepts intel from police officers who agree with him
@juggmane3k8303 жыл бұрын
@@ottersirotten4290 nah bro that mans do not fw cops
@ottersirotten42903 жыл бұрын
@@juggmane3k830 what? not mean to be offensive but can you write like a normal person?
@Dontworryaboutit9613 жыл бұрын
I’ll never get over the blue line skull. Like do they not realize the punisher is the opposite of the police lmao
@Clay36133 жыл бұрын
Inadvertently admitting they want to kill people without consequence from the very laws they swore to enforce.
@ottersirotten42903 жыл бұрын
@@Clay3613 yea yea... poilce just wants to kill random people for no reason whatsoever
@absanchez777 Жыл бұрын
Not really. You do realize there's a comic where Punisher refused to fight a cop because he is a good cop
@Gooberboober23 жыл бұрын
I miss when wearing a punisher shirt just meant you liked the character.
@Darek_B523 жыл бұрын
same. I had a jacket with the skull logo on it. (sorta a varsity like jacket) and a friend didn't even know what it was simply thought I was going through a phase.
@Gooberboober23 жыл бұрын
@@Darek_B52 I had this old super awesome ekko punisher shirt. I’d wear it now if people didn’t think I was an idiot extremist.
@FothergillMD3 жыл бұрын
The 1989 movie with Lundgren actually included a nod to the skull symbol, which was visible on the butt of the knife he wore in his tactical harness.
@joeloliver22793 жыл бұрын
Who else remembers when you could have a punisher skull patch and have people think that you’re a fan of the comics rather than some edge lord or something?
@Darek_B523 жыл бұрын
same man. I mean I grew up with the Punisher/Blade films (later Ghost Rider) and have recently (say around 2014 or so and onwards) became a fan of the characters. Apparently, I can't just like a character it has to be all this other stuff that never even crosses my mind.
@pyeitme5083 жыл бұрын
Wow. Wish for Ghost Recon version Skull symbol soon.
@swemn80623 жыл бұрын
I know its off-topic bu why do so many pwoplw on the GR comunity want punisher logos? Like we alredy have a skull logo that isnt copyrighted, why whould ubisoft buy the rights for another logo?
@costantinocarnevale32893 жыл бұрын
@@swemn8062 well, I think it's for roleplaying the "greater" hero, just like the special Siege operators skins in Wildlands. But when someone thinks about GR he sees mostly a lonely and hyper efficent warrior capable to down multiple threats for a greater good; just like the Punisher. The media, also, make the skull a pop symbol and so many are thinking "it's cool. Why not?" not paying attention to it's nowadays meaning
@pyeitme5083 жыл бұрын
@@costantinocarnevale3289 oh
@magnusthered49733 жыл бұрын
Or the vest considering walker
@ElJefeDeTexas3 жыл бұрын
Wish these Militias and many other groups would just leave the logo alone so Marvel can continue the show without having to remove Frank Castle logo
@timewave020123 жыл бұрын
Disney owns Marvel. Don't expect them to ever risk offending anyone. Keep in mind that after being approved PC here in the US, their movies also have to be approved by Chinese Communist Party censors.
@choppergunner86503 жыл бұрын
@@timewave02012 Bowing down to their CCP masters. Huh. After that and going all PC, wouldn't be surprised if Disney came out saying that "all Disney princesses are empowered females and their lovers are actually trans men." If I wanted my childhood ruined (in sort of a good way), I'd go to Rule 34.
@jerry123143 жыл бұрын
The problem is not the militias its the hypersensitivity with the people in Hollywood that is whats causing the censorship. As far as I know the Punisher symbol being used by paramilitaries go back to the 80s with the Dolph Lungren Punisher movie.
@choppergunner86503 жыл бұрын
@@jerry12314 The problem isn't even a militia. You can start a militia if you want. The Roof Koreans were considered a militia. It's that these soylent goblins don't even have the power to start one
@bobpobcf97233 жыл бұрын
@@timewave02012 but theyre totally fine with filming near a chinese concentration camp tho
@nicholasrestaino25933 жыл бұрын
First the punisher skull, then the spartan helm, now the Fett helmet... What will the tac industry bastardize next?..
@roninbudo3 жыл бұрын
I Don't know I will get back to you lol
@eazy85793 жыл бұрын
@oscar robledo Ngl, as a Viking age reenactor, seeing ‘dude-bro taticool wannabe tough guys’ pisses me off to no end, if only because it is a wildly inaccurate view of actual vikings
@eazy85793 жыл бұрын
@oscar robledo exactly
@ReverendNillerz3 жыл бұрын
You tried really hard to be as unbiased as possible, and I appreciate that.
@lunchpin4033 жыл бұрын
There's an irony in the people who tend to display the punisher skull Also the Royal Lancers (of the charge of the light brigade) use the deaths head to this day
@commando5523 жыл бұрын
They know how good that badge looks, they have kept it through three amalgamations. The only change is that now it has some extra lances in the background.
@ottersirotten42903 жыл бұрын
the scull is extremely common through history in any formation who was and is involved in combat
@webtoedman3 жыл бұрын
17/21st to be precise.
@aj12182 жыл бұрын
As an Army guy I found that the police using the symbol very odd. In the 82nd Airborne we used the symbol because we went out and actually killed people. Seeing a cop where it paints the wrong message.
@MrCadet08 Жыл бұрын
I got my punisher skull tattoo 19 years ago, while in 1/325th......now zoomers consider it the mark of a beta male cring lord, or a neonazi.......weird world
@Tab13007 ай бұрын
@MrCadet08 keep in mind the nazis used Nordic symbols that were around long before their ideology, the punisher logo went from comic fans to the crazy racists that use it as the logos for thier orgs.
@justinshelden2633 жыл бұрын
Good job of unbiasedly reporting on a controversial topic. The people in the "news" media could learn something from you. Love all your content, keep up the good work!
@xXEl_Mata_Furros_Xx Жыл бұрын
It would be cool if the next Punisher series or movie addressed the issue of different organizations adopting the symbol, either knowing its meaning or misinterpreting it.
@PunisherNYCC10 ай бұрын
1) Depending on the comic run you read, your perception of the character will vary. Each writer adds their own interpretation 2) Like all art, once its out to the public, the creator loses the ability to control the meaning 3) If you're assuming someone is a certain way just because the wear or display the logo, thats a YOU problem. 4) Anyone can use for any reason they want and if it triggers you, the issue is YOU and need for control. 5) It's the people complaining the use of it, that give it a negative value and thus more worth. 6) Its just a comic book character, so if you like it for any reason, use it anyway you want. 7) great video
@DiehardMechWarrior3 жыл бұрын
I actually found this pretty informative. Well researched and sourced! As for whether the Punisher skull could be retired... If it doesn’t DIRECTLY hurt Disney’s wallet, they won’t budge. They can say that they’re “looking into the matter” and “taking [the appropriation of the skull by hate groups] very seriously” and they can refer to whatever comic issues they please, but unless they feel the heat on their purse, they’ll do nothing. They’re so fucking huge that they can actually let this slide and come out the other end relatively rosy. They’ll only retire the Punisher if he stops selling product.
@erikrungemadsen20813 жыл бұрын
Not like Disney is scared of suing extremist groups, they did it with Hamaz.
@erikrungemadsen20813 жыл бұрын
@@plet6461 Back around 2006-2007 Hamaz ran a Saturday morning cartoon show on the Al-Aqsa tv channel called Tomorrow's Pioneers the hosts of the show were a lady and a character named Farfour that looked a lot like a certain american mouse. The Israeli government accussed the show of being antisemitic and anti american. The show runners claimed, that it was merely having kids express the realities of Palestinian life and what they witnes on a dayli basis. There was a lot of controversy around the translations that circulated in America. Disney lawyers got involved and the show was cancelled. Jon Stewart commented that Farfour "Looks like Mickey Mouse but talks like Walt Disney."
@DiehardMechWarrior3 жыл бұрын
@@renaissancechambara we didn’t see Blade get co-opted because, as far as I’m aware, the only version of Blade people recognize is the Wesley(sp?) Snipes version, and that movie embraced the ridiculous nature of its premise while only vaguely hinting at any sort of Black empowerment (if such a thing was there to begin with; I didn’t see it, but then again I wasn’t looking for it on my first viewing). Punisher got co-opted because conservative (read: militantly fascist) Americans love a “vigilante,” especially when said “vigilante” fulfills a white man’s power fantasy. (And when I say “vigilante,” what I mean is “white guy who flimsily justifies mass murdering minorities with a gossamer thin veil of justice, when in reality he’s just perpetuating the oppression of the system”) Note that characters like Batman and Superman do not fall underneath the umbrella of “vigilantes,” because they have been specifically written to not be those things and do not espouse values congruent with current conservative views, despite said conservatives’ best efforts to claim Batman as their own.
@sinisterthoughts28963 жыл бұрын
@@renaissancechambara no. Why would you want them to change the character? I never understood the race and gender swapping, it seems like cheap pandering. 'What will sell copies to minorities? Let's spray tan one of our heroes and pretend like they won't know the difference!' Why not create unique characters of differing ethnicities, instead of retconning old characters? I get that old ones are identifiable, recognizable and accepted already. My counter point is Why make the unrecognizable, change their identity and basically sell that pill to people who already loved the character as they were for years? It just feels cheap and lazy, and honestly a bit insulting not just to the fans, but the prospective fans. Sorry for the rant, it just bugs me, and it seems to be happening more and more all the time.
@sinisterthoughts28963 жыл бұрын
@@DiehardMechWarrior I see you enjoy injecting political rhetoric.
@Chirpy413 жыл бұрын
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say the majority of people who wear the skull just think it’s a badass logo
@jonathanprice31512 жыл бұрын
Thats exactly why its on my truck. Its badass and the show is sick. Not all this political shit
@ginke19963 жыл бұрын
There's an arc in the comics where Frank hunts downs a vigilant militia that is inspired by him. One of his first solo arcs
@JohnDoe-wt9ek3 жыл бұрын
I like the whole "Oh, a group of people are taking on my role as (X)? Better go deal with them because they're not allowed to do that. There can be only one (X)." Professional jealousy at its finest. This is the equivalent of a firefighter getting angry with a house owner for using his own fire extinguisher to put out a fire or a cop getting angry with a home owner for using his own firearm to stop a house invasion by 1 or more burglars, or a paramedic getting angry with an individual trained in basic first aid assisting an injured or ailed individual...
@sirvilhelmofyonderland2 жыл бұрын
The Punisher, punishes those he deems unworthy, usually by killing them. The logo wasn’t adapted,,, it was STOLEN. These soldiers and cops want to be seen as badasses like the Punisher. But the Punisher killed cops and soldiers, priests, whomever deserved it. Plus,,, he didn’t take orders. This whole usage pisses me off. There’s only 1 Punisher. These clowns don’t qualify.
@l0sts0ul892 жыл бұрын
The Skull symbol is a universal symbol, it's like me trying to steal a rock it doenst really matter.
@houseofpayne10413 жыл бұрын
I work in law enforcement, and I am also a fan of the punisher comic books and the Netflix series of the character, but I would never wear the punisher’s skull on my uniform. The representation in my opinion does not represent what being a peace officer is about: that every individual deserves justice with due process
@prohero223 жыл бұрын
Punisher Armory comics were my favorite growing up as a kid. Gen X grew up on Grunge, Gangster Rap, and Punisher!
@ji31943 жыл бұрын
Those were good ones.
@gruberjens43543 жыл бұрын
Way back, in the mysterious times full of arcane miracles, called by the mortals, the 90s in Germany... A friend of mine had a t-shirt with the punisher skull in it. He was spotted wearing it by a teacher at our high school... And he was immediately taken to the principals office. There, he was presented with this accusation: They thought this skull would habe been a symbol of the ss, so he had to get rid of the shirt. It would not only go against school rules, but were a crime to wear this. If he would not comply, they would inform the police and file a report. He laughed his a of and in the end, they had to apologize to him. I always think back to that, when seeing the punisher skull...
@sinisterthoughts28963 жыл бұрын
Fear makes people do stupid things.
@alexanderraz.3 жыл бұрын
German people really be something else
@JohnDoe-wt9ek3 жыл бұрын
Fear and a lack of any meaningful awareness makes you dumb, blind, and gullible.
@ChenAnPin3 жыл бұрын
As mentioned, Frank Castle disdains the police using his symbol and points to a better role model in Steve Rogers. But that may be the issue with a lot of people, whether they're in law enforcement or not, that they're not looking to follow a role model like Captain America who fights the big bad guys and villains like Nazis and Hydra. Characters without such superhuman powers or abilities like the Punisher, who did fight the occasional big villain, are more often fighting crime on the street level, involved in issues that are beneath the Avengers threat level. And that might be what makes him somewhat more relatable for the ordinary people who are more concerned with these "lower-level" issues compared to other comic book characters like Superman, Batman, Captain America, Spider-man, etc. It might also help that the Punisher's tools are more readily accessible than a vibranium shield or web-slingers.
@sinisterthoughts28963 жыл бұрын
That is a very cogent point. Might I add, that since Frank Castle is a flawed character, he also seems more human? I love the cap, but he is a paragon of virtue, and it is good to try to be like him, one would seemingly always fall short. So the punisher may seem a more attainable character to emulate.
@giuseppenasca20913 жыл бұрын
I think that people follow the punisher's ideology because the character is more human compared to other superheroes, he suffer like a real person and do things that most of the people can do, he's not like the typical superhero whit pure heart. Ps. this ere the only 2 comment written whit common sense (sorry for my bad english)
@ChenAnPin3 жыл бұрын
@@sinisterthoughts2896 Cap is someone to look up and aspire to, and ideal that is difficult to attain and much harder to maintain. Castle is more relatable for some since it appeals to that base instinct that is so easy to fall into, of swift vigilante justice at the end of a gun, especially if you've become exasperated by the slow pace of civil justice
@alexanderraz.3 жыл бұрын
Pretty Nice opinion
@takingbacktoxic78983 жыл бұрын
There is also part of us as humans that knows we will always fall short of the morality of Captain America. Simply because we can all imagine it possible to being as sad and hurt as Castle.
@somerandomname31243 жыл бұрын
Everyone: The Punisher shirt is too controversial, no one can wear it anymore! Me: Alright then I'll just wear a shirt with Barracuda on it and real Punisher fans can recognize it while everyone else ignores it.
@pathevermore36833 жыл бұрын
i can sympathize. i used to wear Hawaiian shirts ALL THE TIME.
@tubeguy40663 жыл бұрын
@@pathevermore3683 lol so you stopped? what a wimp
@pathevermore36833 жыл бұрын
@@tubeguy4066 thanks, tube guy, coming from YOU of all inanimate marketing gimmicks, that was extra harsh.
@Jerbt3 жыл бұрын
Smart, that's like wearing the confederate flag as a rebel flag
@abnerdoon49023 жыл бұрын
@@pathevermore3683 wait, what's wrong with Hawaiian shirts. I've only started wearing them now with shorts and straw hats.
@bimboalabama56493 жыл бұрын
Personally I was someone who barely knew anything about the Punisher Symbol besides it’s use by SEAL Team 3 and being seen everywhere in contemporary politics. So it was nice to have a factual and unbiased overview of the symbols. That’s why you rock 👍🏿 great video!
@thealexgonzo3 жыл бұрын
Love how unbiased and informative this video was. I loved the 2004 Punisher film growing up. It inspired most my physical fitness and gave me a hero to look up to. It saddens me that over time the symbol has since then been appropriated into many factions and they have nothing to do with the original anti hero that was created. My only hope is that some how Marvel will still be able to create more content and keep the comic character alive as intended. I would love to see Bernthal get his own properly produced film.
@usernamehhhs45402 жыл бұрын
"unbiased" ahahahahaha
@sodokami63472 жыл бұрын
@@usernamehhhs4540 Jajajaja
@therealvaultyvaulty3 жыл бұрын
Can’t believe cops and republicans turned it into a cop or vigilante symbol, he disagrees with and dislikes cops and now they made it a cringey school shooter logo
@Darek_B523 жыл бұрын
"school shooter logo" oh get a life.
@izzyogre7223 жыл бұрын
My platoon when i was in Afghanistan was The 2nd Platoon "Punishers" (2009) we had the logo on our turret shields.
@AZDesertExplorer3 жыл бұрын
You got my old Humvee!
@izzyogre7223 жыл бұрын
@@AZDesertExplorer No you probably got me mixed up with another unit we had RG31s
@jamesygamesy51243 жыл бұрын
Thats pretty cool
@plaguedoctorjamespainshe60093 жыл бұрын
Lol cringelord Putting the special in special forces
@jamesygamesy51243 жыл бұрын
@@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009 watch yourself punk
@4urawrkr23 жыл бұрын
Personally, I feel it's incredibly similar to how the Nazi's swastika logo was appropriated from Hinduism. This symbol once meant something, now it means something much more sinister.
@yoshi0k2623 жыл бұрын
i mean the swastika is still large in asia and is all over temples and religious artifacts just the western world internalized it as evil/wrong.
@siggy26093 жыл бұрын
Aside from military use, the punisher skull is just plain cringe. Like bro you literally can't even run a mile but you think you're tough shit because you dropped 10k on your ar15 and gear.
@ottersirotten42903 жыл бұрын
running after crimminals is part of the job of policemen, preety sure they usually can run a mile or two
@DogeMcLovin3 жыл бұрын
Gotta respect how balanced the political portions of this video were! Damn fine work.
@5.7moy3 жыл бұрын
Based name and profile picture.
@fib13 жыл бұрын
cringe name and pfp
@choppergunner86503 жыл бұрын
@@fib1 Seems you're the one who has a cringe name and pfp. Remove communists!
@5.7moy3 жыл бұрын
@@fib1 Says the furry pfp lol
@DogeMcLovin3 жыл бұрын
@@5.7moy Time to be a FURRY HUNTER :)))
@JackBurby3 жыл бұрын
Maybe Im just bias, but I think the punisher logo fits right in with the BLM movement. They were both forced to become someone or something that combats the justice system that due to it’s countless failures
@Tyler_Lalonde-3 жыл бұрын
Lmfao how is calling for police to be murdered in cold blood the same. "Pigs in a blanket fry likec bacon" "what do we want dead cops when do we want it now" you're a clown.
@sandshark23 жыл бұрын
@@Tyler_Lalonde- cops are part of the establishment, the justice system, and Punisher wants to destroy said broken system. I’ve said this before, but it aligns perfectly with Punisher. The Punisher kills people, and as you’ve acknowledged a few people self-proclaimed BLM have too. I’m sorry it doesn’t fit your narrative
@armyofuno81962 жыл бұрын
I don't think the Punisher burns down innocent people's business
@chocobunbun3 жыл бұрын
The Punisher is my favorite marvel character next to ghost rider I have the blue line skull since my dad was a police officer and passed away last year on October 9th I even got the tattoo with his badge number I miss him to this day...
@Soopahperry1113 жыл бұрын
and?
@absanchez7773 жыл бұрын
My condolences
@l0sts0ul893 жыл бұрын
@@Soopahperry111 and? How about just go away....
@beanzuwu3 жыл бұрын
Why do fascists gotta ruin everything, just let us enjoy the punisher without people thinking we are bat shit crazy
@ThreeProphets3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if Frank could have a Nomad-style identity crisis arc where he operates somewhere else under a different alias and uniform while he reflects on his life as a warfighter and how it was meant to differentiate himself from crimefighters rather than inspire them
@ThreeProphets3 жыл бұрын
@gaelan white And inspiring their readers. Some Batman writers have been trying to that with his found family, but it comes off more soap opera than character drama. I love this idea, though
@ottersirotten42903 жыл бұрын
@@ThreeProphets guess the problem with Batman is that such Story would raise complicated questions as to why he doesnt use at least parts of his insane Wealth to tackle the problem of crimminality in Gotham
@ThreeProphets3 жыл бұрын
@@ottersirotten4290 I would point you to the Telltale games, where he does exactly that. Some writers forget the "philanthropist" part of "billionaire playboy philanthropist," and I think that's a huge mistake for the character of Bruce Wayne in general, not just in these types of stories
@ottersirotten42903 жыл бұрын
@@ThreeProphets But he could do so much more, why not financially/equipmentwise support Police/Neighborhoodwatches etc, why not building a Team/Army of Batmans instead of doing everything alone? why not using Lawfare against organized crime? I dont wanna sh*** on Batman too much here, but in order to enjoy him i have to consciously ignore such questions
@ajclements46273 жыл бұрын
@@ottersirotten4290 Batman Inc was a team of heroes, and Batwoman’s dad was actively studying Batman’s methods, fighting style, etc to train mercs in the comics as well a few years back. As for the commercial nature of Batman, Inc., Morrison said that he was inspired by real-life tools used to market the image of the title character. "I was looking back at the old Tim Burton Batman movie in 1989, and the way they played that symbol, it was such a major merchandising tool. So I wanted to do something that represented that, or echoed that. So Batman, Inc. is the notion of Batman taking the symbol and saying, 'let's form an international army or team, or police force, which is endorsed by Batman and wears Batman's symbol.”
@henderson23943 жыл бұрын
I think all the cops who use this skull know exactly what frank castle stands for, and that should be cause for concern. Any cop who considers themselves some kind of shepard for dumb sheep (civillians) or warrior against crime who wants to circumvent the justice process with a gun like frank castle does should not be a cop.
@erikrungemadsen20813 жыл бұрын
That skull logo is perfect, it informs you that the police officer wearing it, is an incompetent moron who sees himself as a holier than thou crusader first and not as a public servant.
@henderson23943 жыл бұрын
@@erikrungemadsen2081 I guess it does tell you who to avoid, but it's literally illegal to avoid them if they stop you in the street :( and then it's playing simon sez and trying not to piss them off.
@sinisterthoughts28963 жыл бұрын
For some, sure. For most people aren't even familiar with the punisher to be honest, and the skull has kind of transcended the punisher a bit, and is now just a "cool skull". Either way it has no business on a police uniform, period. Just my 2 cents.
@lostsaxon74783 жыл бұрын
They don't know what it stands for, Frank killed cops and politicians. They won't so much lift a finger against the criminal element within their own ranks. So it's a good sign that the one wearing it is not trust worthy because he's doing it for ego.
@Sd1v8v3 жыл бұрын
It remains me of the ARVN Rangers insignia from the 60s/70s
@gousmc19833 жыл бұрын
Thanks to Mike Force yes
@ottersirotten42903 жыл бұрын
"Punisher Warzone" does the Character more justice than the Tom Jane Movie
@rachelconway7259 Жыл бұрын
Hi! I’m Gerry Conway’s daughter Rachel, I can’t thank you enough for covering this topic and clarifying the true intentions and meaning of my dad’s character! He absolutely hates how it is used by far-right, gun-toting entities. I appreciate you so much!!
@tavarix58933 жыл бұрын
I never thought Uniform History would speak about 4Chan
@henryrodgers73863 жыл бұрын
There's a small gun shop I've been to that still uses the Punisher skull. It has a tree growing through a hole above its left eye. It seems that other, more "jolly Roger" type skulls are becoming popular. Possibly because pirate video games are so popular. Oh, and Deadpool. The little round Deadpool logo is used a lot, mostly to denote troublemakers or pranksters, depending on the variant.
@fileoffish93953 жыл бұрын
8:51 the guy on the right is an absolute legend, after he left the seal teams he went on to become a doctor and is now a NASA astronaut
@Alfred_Leonhart3 жыл бұрын
Holy shit that’s cool
@SahiPie3 жыл бұрын
His name is Jonathan Kim, dude is a beast.
@ethancooper15603 жыл бұрын
How can one person have enough time in their life to become a navy seal, a doctor, and an astronaut?
@gwarguts3 жыл бұрын
@@ethancooper1560 I feel like I hardly have enough time to take the trash out
@TK-fy4nu3 жыл бұрын
@@ethancooper1560 he is asian
@frogshnuckle44753 жыл бұрын
I like how 90% percent of the comments are just people saying cops are bad
@nubgaming10133 жыл бұрын
Well police reform is needed so it is not hard to see why
@indiedavecomix38823 жыл бұрын
The logo is a universal symbol for being a badass. If Marvel retires it, it won't just go away. There aren't enough lawyers in the world for Disney to stop people from wearing it in some form.
@gooby8953 Жыл бұрын
if you feel the need to show people you're a badass then you aren't. If you're letting people know you love comic books, you're a badass
@Vforfreedom Жыл бұрын
sadly many many betas male panzies like to stick this symbol on their car or truck. Fraudulent
@indiedavecomix3882 Жыл бұрын
@angrysausage-qj9eg Disney can't sue you for wearing a tee shirt. Do you think if the Navy Seals or some random SWAT team suddenly started wearing a Cap Shield they'd retire that, too? What if some random white nationalist group did? If some group got a wild hair up their ass to decide their dog whisrle was the Cap shield, would they cancel that, too? And no one actually has to adopt it. All it takes is a stupid 4Chan joke to turn the OK sign into fake racist symbolism. Nobody is "worshipping" the Punisher. It's a cathartic character that kills bad guys and has a cool symbol.
@danielwilliamson61803 жыл бұрын
I liked how the skull was given a origin in the 2004 film starring Thomas Jane and that it was on a t-shirt Castle's son bought him as a gift and that he was told the skull was a symbol that wards off evil and Castle loves the t-shirt and after his family are slain, it becomes his symbol as The Punisher.
@nicto133 жыл бұрын
I gotta say using the skull logo for BLM is actually pretty in line with the original meaning they feel that the system has failed them and that there will be no justice for them just as frank did I'm really glad the creator did that to remind people what it's supposed to stand for I pray for a day no one will wear the skull for it's no longer needed
@sauljahboi59653 жыл бұрын
Maybe if Frank Castle was a grifter spending his efforts courting corporations for donations. Burning every small business in sight and assaulting/killing randos in the streets.
@sandshark23 жыл бұрын
@@sauljahboi5965 despite all of that being only 7% of blm, yes killing random in the street is, in fact, part of the punishers entire identity.
@nicto133 жыл бұрын
@@sauljahboi5965 you dont know much about the punisher or much about reality do you
@tubeguy40663 жыл бұрын
lol the entire system supports BLM. When every corporation, media outlet, all of academia, and most government agencies agree with you, you aren't a revolutionary.
@sauljahboi59653 жыл бұрын
@@nicto13 when billion dollar Corporations are freely giving money to BLM - how much are they really fighting the system? BLM is filled with grifters, violent psychopaths and kid touchers.
@vaclav_fejt3 жыл бұрын
Great job on covering it objectively! The way I see it, my first reaction to that Tom Jane skull was "oh, that's cool and badass". Great symbol for an anti-hero. And I understand that soldiers would want to wear that, there's a long tradition among many services of many nations. But it still implies death and killing (just the skull) and failure of governmental justice (Punisher in particular). Therefore police uniforms are the *last* place where they should be. Thin blue line may be questionable, but the Punisher's skull is not.
@sinisterthoughts28963 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I don't think there is any place for skulls on police uniforms. And I'm an easy going guy, but as an agent if the government who is supposed to keep the peace, there is excuse for wearing skulls, especially ones that symbolize a failed justice system and vigilantism.
@lostsaxon74783 жыл бұрын
I love it when police wear them because it narrows down the type of person they are, which is someone dangerous and power tripping. The Punisher killed cops because they were criminals.
@GeteMachine2 жыл бұрын
It actually perfectly captures Frank's point by the failure of the government's role on policing, politic and their training. Ironically.
@totallynotacarrot43692 жыл бұрын
overall the meanings and interpretations of different symbols change over time, however for some reason it seems as though the left wing's interpretations are what stick, such as the confederate flag's meaning, wheras many southerners see it as a symbol for southern pride, many members of the left wing see it as a racist symbol of oppression, or for instance how to us Americans, the U.S. flag represents freedom and liberty, but someone in Vietnam or the middle east might view it as a symbol of oppression. To asians, the swastika represents peace, and is a common religious symbol, while western cultures view it as a symbol of nazism and the holocaust. overall, a symbol belongs where the person or group who applies the symbol thinks it belongs, regardless of what someone from an outside perspective might think
@zehermanator27103 жыл бұрын
Frank Castle wouldn't allow anyone other than Military personnel to wear the logo, especially police
@aristotle65103 жыл бұрын
Nah military is a no go too
@saulgoodman91793 жыл бұрын
@@aristotle6510 why
@jayvang74903 жыл бұрын
@@saulgoodman9179 The Punisher represents a certain lawlessness and brutality. He has no problems torturing and killing anybody he deems "necessary". That is not something military personnel should emulate. War has rules, you break them you're a war criminal.
@@aristotle6510 FRANK SERVED IN THE MIDDLE EAST YOU MORON yes he would be ok with what he views as his people aka warriors to use his symbol
@nicholashandley4456 Жыл бұрын
I've always been a fan of The Punisher as a character. When I first started seeing the decals, etc, pop up I was like, "Oh cool, a fellow comic book character lover," until I realized why they were being displayed. I always thought it strange that it was co-opted by law enforcement as The Punisher has no qualms about killing corrupt and harmful cops until I realized that it had nothing to do with The Punisher as a character. That said, I actually really like the idea of BLM/POC/Queer Punisher logo merch. A lot of police corruption and misuse of power involves those demographics. It's actually a lot more fitting for queer people and people of color to use that logo in defiance of a corrupt and discriminatory institution than it is for cops to use it. That's something I can get behind as a Punisher fan. The Punisher logo is an embarrassment to Law Enforcement and fans alike. I think it's up to the fans to take it back, knowing exactly what that logo represents.
@jordanvannortwick9426 Жыл бұрын
Succinctly said.
@ErAckman6 ай бұрын
Notorious K out in the wild.
@hyper8473 жыл бұрын
the punisher was explicitly against people using his mark because he didnt want people to like him or empathize with him. he stopped crime and did so at any cost. frank would be so dissapointed.
@ottersirotten42903 жыл бұрын
nobody cares about the new Frank Castle, he was handed to mediocre writers who hate the concept of the Punisher
@totallynotacarrot43692 жыл бұрын
hes a fictional character who doesnt really exist...so his opinions dont really matter
@hyper8472 жыл бұрын
@@totallynotacarrot4369 DUH no shit. however having a mark that defeats its own purpose is a different kind of stupid because if a mark is pointless its useless
@totallynotacarrot43692 жыл бұрын
@@hyper847 so what that means is that the symbol and its meanings change from person to person, take the swastika as an example, in asia its a symbol of peace, but to us westerners its a symbol of nazism and hate. the same goes for the punisher symbol. The police see it the same way many military members see it, as many cops are former military, they view it as a sign of unity amongst themselves, and as a morale boost when faced with groups that would defund, dismantle, or even kill members of their force. Its a cool symbol, and at the end of the day thats why people use it, and literally every other symbol to ever exist, they take that symbol and put their own meanings into it.
@Chasedean423 жыл бұрын
Anytime I see the punisher skull it makes me laugh because the individual wearing it is also deck out in sheepdog ect related clothing. And I always say he's gonna molon all the labia
@ReverendMeat513 жыл бұрын
lol I my first tattoo was a molon labe, that was before the phrase became so common. Advice from an old dude: your tattoo will be cringeworthy one day.
@Seth98093 жыл бұрын
Honestly, whenever I see the Punisher skull on a police officer, I think. "Oh fuck, it's a death squad."
@lostsaxon74783 жыл бұрын
Same here, especially since The Punisher was an equal opportunity Vigilante and killed cops as well as politicians.
@jerry123143 жыл бұрын
@@ReverendMeat51 You find it cringe because you let other people's opinions own you. BTW I don't have a single tattoo but this applies great with the comment section who are made up of people who are NEVER CRINGE.
@JWBaSiTo3 жыл бұрын
“Molon all the labia” I’m dead.
@charlieyankee10463 жыл бұрын
It was in a comic book. A seal team with some historical studs in it used it before it was cool and then it got hijacked by some fudds in the 2A world. There. Done. Video summed up. It’s predominantly used by people who exert extreme cringe.
@bobpobcf97233 жыл бұрын
Fudds are the worst
@dickogumshoe78793 жыл бұрын
damn that logo has been through a lot
@thierrydesu3 жыл бұрын
July 14th, Bastille Day : a choir sang in front of the presidential platform. The singers and the musicians were arranged in the shape of the Punisher's head. As for the lyrics, they reminded some of Q's themes. I'm sure the French president's already been removed by the military.
@killaken20003 жыл бұрын
Black Live's Matter's use of the skull is in keeping with this meaning: "This skull represents the failure of the justice system, the failure of the organizations that uphold them, and the vow I made to seek out my own." Black Live's have been systemically failed by law enforcement. And a failure of law enforcement, or the legal system as a whole, to do their jobs is the origin of Frank Castle to begin with.
@ChernobylPone3 жыл бұрын
Paint the skull with Black Red and Green. And let’s see how long the skull will last.
@demonteprice58703 жыл бұрын
That's definitely spot-on to how I saw it going into Gerry Conway's fundraiser as a contributing artist
@ottersirotten42903 жыл бұрын
All BLM Logos represent the failure of Law Enforcement to protect Citys from being burned and looted
@spartanswhatisyourprofessi28252 жыл бұрын
You almost had a point when you used the quote. That's the reason why police and military use it. But then you just sounded stupid with the whole blm shit and saying they're oppressed.
@spartanswhatisyourprofessi28252 жыл бұрын
@@ottersirotten4290 but it's blm who are burning and looting and killing. Plus the entire democratic party are constantly attacking police and that's why so many of them quit Now there are less cops, more criminals, and a government who only cares about the votes they receive