The R179s - Better Than You Think

[@amazinlion]

The R179 should get a lot more respect. They have incredible accelerations and they’re really smooth with good braking. People who don’t like them only cause of the failures due to testing has gotta understand that this type of stuff also happened to other rolling stocks. Like what the R211 is experiencing right now, having to reset their 30 day test due to some undisclosed failures on those cars which led to them being grounded for now. But they’ll get it solved eventually and they will become one of the most reliable overtime

[@qiaowani]

Or the R68

[@Amiri_Francis]

@@qiaowaniAnd R46 R62A

[@romanlazersudios]

I actually do like the design of the R179 as well!

[@droppingemstv4283]

I love everything about the r179s except the traction motors

[@BigPops757]

Correct me if Im wrong but the hissing air is an air suspension system? I notice that the 142s also do this

[@MysticTransit]

Yes, it is an airbag system.

[@Wkay04]

heated seats??/

[@Mattpsb]

The sound of the R179 is unique

[@TheSuperiorLite]

Exactly

[@Mads0808]

Yea its nice

[@itzflameee]

I like to call them "Ghosts" since they sound like a whistling ghost. (To me atleast)

[@sean3rnand3z37]

But not nice

[@Mattpsb]

It’s nice that you think this I didn’t like them until I saw this video!

[@dan5979]

the 179 has: put a roof over my head, food on my table, paid my bills, met my GF on that train her working as a c/r, had my 12-9 on a 179. 179's are my girls.

[@R63298]

fr lol

[@transitcaptain]

I really like these trains ever since they’re inception, and they feel so welcoming and nice. I genuinely never understood why railfans hated them. When I take the A train they always feel like they go faster.

[@MysticTransit]

They do. Currently, they are the fastest trains in the system, bar the 211.

[@edot_nyc]

@@MysticTransit I think the R188 is the fastest train in the system since it has 150hp per motor, and it has the most motors in the system per full set. Also what does bar mean ?

[@mtanyctrainatlantamartatra7164]

​@@edot_nyc did you research that or just making this up?

[@edot_nyc]

@@mtanyctrainatlantamartatra7164 I researched it. The r188’s don’t have the most powerful motors, however since they have the most amount of motors per set they have the highest total hp.

[@itechcircle9410]

@@edot_nyc bar means except

[@williamyoon7660]

These criticisms of the R179s are a thing of the past now. They've been performing very well since their last return to service in September 2020. Love seeing these cars run on the A Train, in particular.

[@patrickfraleyjr2819]

I personally think that the 179's are my favorite rolling stock in the system. They're so underrated.

[@airbus7373]

The 179’s are a nice change of pace from the 160’s that are everywhere in the system. Living in DC, they are one hell of a lot better than the 7000 series that we have. The 179’s are quiet, smooth, and work quite well as of lately. Basically everything the 7000 series isn’t.

[@luislaplume8261]

Hard to believe but I will take your word for it. I rode the 1000 series in Washington D.C. with my late mother on vacation in 1976.

[@EndMii619]

The unique traction motor has honestly been my favorite and has also helped me hear if I am hearing an F train leaving Jay St or an A or C train

[@stefanhamilton3669]

the r179 on the A had improved my stance on them. They are so good. They accelarate like rockets they are smooth and the braking feels good when the driver speeds into the station. i noticed some A drivers really push some r179s so some speeds that i didnt know 8th ave line allows.

[@edot_nyc]

You perfectly explained it. I remember my R179 A motorman going 49mph into PABT A

[@stefanhamilton3669]

@@edot_nyc my favorite part about traveling on the A lol. Also love it when they speed into 14th

[@glamslamcam]

The R179’s are their absolute best on the A. They FLY on that line & I love it.

[@jacoanimationstudio-di7hi]

R46: :(

[@WebSoak]

The video we all needed. A fellow R179 enjoyer. The R179’s are my favorite too

[@tcgb311]

You should do a video explaining all of the subway cars. While I consider myself a railfan, I still do have a hard time distinguishing all the cars in use.

[@MysticTransit]

I might create a video like that in the future.

[@zlionunderground6380]

To my opinion, R179s feel like if R160 and R160B had a baby.

[@nickc2302]

I hate these trains, not because of them having issues in the past but their ear bleeding propulsion sounds drive me insane, and also for me the LED lights are blinding especially underground and at night

[@relxril]

I mean the R179 is my personal favorite to and I don’t think they are that bad and have no idea why they are called lemons also I have no idea why I’m crushing on trains 💀

[@amazing50000]

The R179's remind me of the R38's, because both were small orders, they both have bigger windows, and because of it, the R179's look slightly different from their sister NTT's the R143 and R160 just like the R38's did with their sister SMEE the R32's. The only thing I do not like is (just like with the R38's) the 207 Street Yard and the Pitkin Yard does not maintain them properly when it comes to keeping them clean (they need a car washing).

[@samuelitooooo]

I feel like the NTTs are repeating history in a way. R143s are like R11s, experimental subway cars, except this time they ordered a good handful of R143s lol (and this is for CBTC of course). R160s are like R32s, numerous in quantity; R179s are as you said; and R211s will be like the R40s with a bold new design - even the gangway risks will be similar (R40s had the new slant and the safer R42 look lol), as well as the return of the large front bullets. I don't expect a R44 successor though. 😛

[@railfannerjs6308]

Yeah they’re not lemons 🍋 They’re limes!

[@GoodbyeR33]

R179 are not made with the lemons right

[@BMTEnjoyer160]

They are good but I dislike the annoucements

[@kumaragurusaravanan2248]

I feel like having heard the r179 propulsion it's nearly identical to the DC Metro's 7000 series propulsion. Also I like those trains as well

[@KingofGamingAndTrains456]

I always love the fast feel of an R179 A train!

[@42luke93]

Glad we got them before r211 because the dimensions are correct. Allow for more seats and the correct looking wider windows. Preposterous the doors had to be so wide on the new ones!

[@Whatthatpussydo]

Finally someone who actually agrees that the R179 is not awful… there comfy for the A line super fast and sleek!

[@DLXC]

the only reason why i dont likw the r179 is because i have been in a near death situation with them.

[@Zayy.5ive]

It was never really something to have against the 179 unless it's just the opinion but I was happy when they came out, gave a new feel for what the new technology would be like.

[@losh330]

I love the R179s. They are probably my favorite subway cars, even when they were having their issues when first introduced. I love the subtle yes distinct differences to the other B division NTT trains and I love the unique traction motor sounds.

[@nah_144]

I like the speed on these things and their traction motors are nice!

[@MysticTransit]

Same

[@SleepyRaccoon]

I love the R179's, only thing I don't like is the trend they started with the MTA messing with the announcements, mixing up multiple voices per announcement. Edit: The acceleration on the 179's is crazy, I absolutely love trains that accelerate fast.

[@GoodbyeR33]

I mean The r179 are made with the Lemons right

[@jwhite0398]

I like the propulsion on the 179's

[@MysticTransit]

Same

[@St4rBoyRailfanning]

I agree. They do sound somewhat spooky yet pleasant tbh…

[@W.L.Customs]

In all honesty, while the R179 train fleet has since improved, I don’t know, but it seems like I’m still not completely well-adjusted to the R179s. Maybe one day once I do retire from railfanning I’ll probably give a round-trip on the R179 on any subway line a try

[@Fool_King_1]

R179s are underrated and overhated for no reasons R179s are very much my favorite rollingstock right beside with the R62

[@Bve542]

I actually really like the r179 propulsion

[@josiahlouisma8417]

I really don’t mind them. Pretty unique and cool to me. I haven’t had any issues on them taking them on the A and C lines, which I take sometimes on the way to school. I also kinda like their propulsion sounds as well. Unique compared to the other traction motor. Like how the R142As is unique compared to the R142s and how the R143s is unique compared the R160s.

[@Jackyliu009]

They preform very nicely. The only thing I dislike about them is the Kathleen Campion takeover of the "The next stop is..." and "This is..." announcements on all route programs.

[@calvinkendrick851]

Yeah and if they add the R179 to more lines, then that voice is the only one you’ll hear in the announcements of the whole system. I’d rather the variety of different ones. The F has its own unique sound.

[@Bombardier2199]

Finally someone says the R142As aren’t reliable, I thought I was the only one who thought this. Jerome is not doing a great job with them.

[@alexanderganias2884]

I think the R179s and the R160s are both very similar, and I don't mind either of them. I don't care for the R179s' propulsion though, since I feel it's too high-pitched

[@evan22303]

I personally love the R179s. I like their propulsion, their design, & their performance on the 8th Ave & Jamaica lines. I wish they could have produced more of them.

[@theofficial1train]

Their nickname will forever be the Lemons 🍋

[@_.crzzyy._]

r179s are great

[@VinceHere98]

I honestly think these cars are pretty nice, despite the problems they’ve had in their early years. Their design is pretty nice, and the propulsion is really unique and different from the ones we’re used to on the other NTT’s. The only problems I have with the R179 are the delayed announcements, and how it’s always Kathleen Campion’s voice saying “The Next Stop Is” or “This Is”, no matter what line the train is assigned to. Those are just only minor though. As for the major problems, the speedometer is placed too high up. Like, if you’re operating the R179’s, you legit have to look up to see how fast you are going, and it can really be distracting as it takes your eyes off the tracks. I don’t know why Bombardier designed them like that, but really they should’ve just placed it closer to the controls of the train like all the other rolling stock in the system. Other than that, these trains are pretty decent, and I hope we see some improvements with them as time goes on.

[@MysticTransit]

The R179s got an update for the speedometer displays on the TOD, so that’s not an issue anymore. The announcement issue is annoying, but after 5 years, I’ve just gotten used to it.

[@VinceHere98]

@@MysticTransit really? Thank god they fixed the issue with the speedometer. Now if only they can try and fix the announcement issue, and not have only Kathleen Campion’s voice saying “The Next Stop Is” from the A/C. I would at least prefer Catherine Cowdery’s voice for the announcement, at least the one from the J/Z, L, and M.

[@davidng2336]

@@VinceHere98 the R211s have the same thing with the voice, but I still find it hilarious and unfortunate that the R160s only had the "next and last stop" updated to just Kathleen. Updating both would be ok, but better to leave them alone.

[@ndudeYT]

R179s are lowkey underrated. They're definitely much more pleasing to look at than the R160s and R211.

[@c151b]

0:48 plastic cup dropped on track (DO NOT LITTER ON TRAIN TRACKS)

[@eliorodriguez9170]

I don’t know about the railfans, yet as someone who “burn-tested” the R179s, we had many issues with them. The AAS software is much different than what is found in the R142-160s and programming it for your route is still cumbersome. “Cutting” the train is a PITA since there is less space between units when added up. There is more to the list but those were some of the main issues.

[@karatekidfahim3]

The side door is smooth to open, and they have heated seats, which I like.

[@karatekidfahim3]

and dont forget the bottle dropping on the tracks at 0:49

[@emjayay]

Even though heaters (convection electric along the wall bases) on subway cars have no moving parts unlike the complex and maintenance heavy AC units, MTA sets the temperature at 55F at the ceiling, so NYC subway cars are always cold. People sit there in down parkas with their hoods up. At night (with no sun heating) tons of freezing maybe windy air enters at outdoor stops and the heat usually still never comes on.

[@CopenhagenRailProductions]

When thinking of the R179s improved reliability, i don't have a reason to call it a lemon. Over here, across the Atlantic and Nordic ponds, our IC4 DMUs have proven to be the "Lemons" that the R179s are called for. The IC4 has had numerous failures upon testing, like brake issues, doors not closing properly, coupling hatching getting stuck in closed position, etc. Today, the IC4 is the least reliable train in DSBs fleet (as to what i've heard from other railfans here). They're uncomfortable to ride, they "hump" when braking and accelerating, they're loud, both inside and outside, and they make NOISE, when going through a curve at slow speed, which we don't really see a lot with the older IC3s sets. Of course, the IC3 had it's fair share of issues too, when introduced. It's automatic gearing wasn't linked properly, it's softwares had lots of bugs, and were delayed to enter service by 4(?) years, starting in January 1990. The IC3s electrical brother, the IR4, had issues too. Having problems with "Noise currents" coming from their traction motors, which shut down electrical equipment on DSBs older Class EA locomotives, when passing them on their journeys. Most of these issues with the IC3 and the IR4, were fixed by the start of the 21st Century. Making the IC3 the most reliable train of DSB, closely followed by our new Siemens Vectron Locomotive we recieved during the Pandemic. Greetings from Copenhagen! ❤

[@mlmielke]

It's so common to have issues early that get resolved later... unfortunately, many in my city still don't realize that fact, despite proven reliability and consistency of service after the first year of service.

[@AlgonquinRider810]

They are uncomfortable to operate. If you're around 5 '7 5 '8 (me) the cab window digs into your chest.

[@Lemon-zw7cb]

Only 3 issues for the R179 and people complaining about it. But then the R160 has multiple issues and people dont acknowledge and don't hate the r160.

[@TheEmptyP90]

Personally when they first arrived into the system, they became one of my favorite rolling stocks right next to the R32s, R46s, R62/As, and R142/As. I also like seeing the R179s on the (C) line, they fit extremely well on the (C) then it does on the (A) line (Personally I feel like that R46s fits extremely well on the (A) then it does on the (C) but that’s just my opinion). Even though I miss seeing the R32s on the (C), I feel like the R179s are a great replacement for it and they’re capable enough for the task! Overall, I really appreciate you for making this video about them. Cheers!

[@fh4709]

Honestly railfans only hate the R179s because of them being taken OOS twice and being built by the now defunct bombardier company. Yet the R179s have since improved and fun fact, their reliability is even higher than the R160s (And before you start coming at me about my “opinion”, the MTA’s official MDBF report states it too.)

[@landocalrisian2014]

I actually like the look of the R179 and glad they're doing well. Next trip to NYC I need to get on one.

[@22k_LOL]

I like the r179 traction motors, I sounds quite soothing

[@MysticTransit]

Agreed.

[@jacoanimationstudio-di7hi]

I honestly just dislike the 179 because of that loud-ahh “AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA” sound, or the propulsion, and the r160’s are better imo because it’s just kinda classic ngl (also I like the first part of it better)

[@korea7758]

Personally, I am all for the R143s and R179 I really love them both, especially when I was surprised on how fast the 179 was taking turns on the A after leaving Broadway junction heading to Euclid.

[@cjfromny]

I love the R179 so much I can’t stand the R62 and R62A

[@SomeRamdomAhole]

I hate Bombardier more than the R179s (which I like them)

[@WalkWalkWalk-c2y]

No perpendicular seating for looking out the window and obnoxious lighting = a substantially less enjoyable ride. However, to be fair, their status as the worst cars in the system are soon to be replaced as the 211’s managed to take all of the negative aspects of the of the 179s and add a few more, like smaller windows, fewer seats, and the removal of the corner seats. Soon we’ll be riding in windowless cattle cars without and seating at all and lighting that would make a Xerox machine envious 😂.

[@ukraineball953]

When someone calls the R179 a lemon, I say thats nothing compared to the 4D train. PS: It was broken more often then working lol

[@EpicThe112]

Been on R179 3011 A train High Street to W4th st Washington Square back on June 20th 2022. From what I can say R179 ride quality beats R160B Siemens N train 8844 Summer 2015 and R160B Alstom 9306 F train Summer 2017 since they have an improved air suspension over R160B Siemens N train R160B Alstom F train. Their acceleration allows R179 to keep up with R160B 9202 Cumo Wrap E train between Canal St and World Trade Center uptown directions although you leave the R160B 9202 Cumo Wrap behind at Spring St while you go to W4th st Non stop. In TSW3 if made R179 should equal London Underground Metropolitan Line S stock due to both being Movia EMUs but leave a 1972 Stock Bakerloo Line behind.

[@emjayay]

They clearly have a modern suspension system unlike all the older cars. They also have the worst seating of any system on earth - low flat shallow hard plastic benches that are painful for the average sized person to sit on because the shallowness and flatness of the seat bottoms puts all your upper body weight on your pelvic bones. With no individual seats people can spread out and it's not uncommon for someone to be sleeping across them. Shorter people can't reach the ceiling rails but they are excellent for "performers" to swing from. They have the ancient NYC arrangement of small windows which are also crudely installed (look how slick London windows look), half the window area of the subway cars elsewhere. They use pocket doors instead of outside opening doors (like London and Vienna). London Transport says the outside opening doors are cheaper and easier to maintain and repair. They probably seal better too. And the interiors looks like a hospital operating room.

[@randolphtwells1360]

4:57; The R179 trains has a different acceleration than the R160s, R143s, and the R46s.

[@LuisRamirez-vv4dk]

I presonally love the look of these trains. I see a lot of videos crticizing the look of ny trains and north american trains in general. Personally I love the look of ny trains and other north amercian cities. I hope we always keep the stainless steel look.

[@RentsTheHuman]

R179s are so overhated just because 2019 but now they have the highest MDBF and is now the most reliable train in the system. R179s were always my favorite regardless

[@ariesarethebest271]

Still the best sounding new tech NYC subway car in my opinion.

[@normalbusenthu7441R]

I dont get why railfans hate these type of trains They are just fat r160s with a keikyu N1000 EMU motor, just why do they hate them, is it becuase it is common? I dont really know

[@josiahlouisma8417]

By unique, I’m referring to the propulsion sounds mostly

[@randomhuman-012]

Controversial: the R179 looks better than the R211

[@MysticTransit]

I agree.

[@TalesofDaSolulu]

The r211 is overhyped, the r179 is very underrated

[@calvinkendrick851]

After finally having a chance to ride the R211, I would say that it needs work. It seems like an unfinished project. So this is what ranks the R179 higher. I’m fortunate enough to live along the J line where it frequently runs.

[@randomhuman-012]

@@TalesofDaSolulu Yeah everyone loves the R211 and hates the R46. The R211 is overrated and the R46 is really nice and I’ll be sad when it leaves.

[@TransitFans]

Great documentary for the R179

[@calvinkendrick851]

Same here. Whenever I use the A and I see an R46 approaching, I make this slight frown lol. But while they still were running the R32s I would be grateful to see a R46 and even more grateful to see an R179 approaching.

[@frankiecrocker]

The livery is bland and unimaginative. Otherwise. . .

[@leydimartinez8953]

The R179 is my favorite Train too

[@carlos.a.sanchez201]

I was on the (J) Line last week, it was a pleasant ride. I have two opinions: 1. Yes, the R179 did had a major hiccups, but as long as it was repaired and addressed then I'm cool with it. Opinion 2 If I was in charge of the MTA I would simplify all the cars as an exclusive lime such as R179 as the (J) & (Z).

[@ItzMiKeKirbY]

I dislike them because there’s barely any seating and the blinding blue lights.

[@PatGunn]

I'm ok with them. Glad they don't have open gangways.

[@Taco.muncher69]

I love the R179s the proportions it’s better than the R211

[@blakemcnamara9105]

I still like the SMEEs more. These trains feel cheap.

[@perrrofrrredy]

I like the R179’s they’re like the black sheep of the family

[@jdiaz547]

Can you do the 1952 mosholu parkway crash

[@Trxustze_8190]

The R179 is literally another version of the R160 and they sound mad annoying too

[@snackwrap2011]

I love the r179s I like them better than the r160A alstoms

[@michaelmorales1475]

Overhated.

[@historyisthebestmyfans2094]

R179s were built mainly for speed

[@_ilovequeens_]

0:47 0:54 the tragic death of two cup when they fall on the tracks

[@maximusheralall8119]

I llve the r179 and i hate the r46 that should be the lemons 😂

[@savionmjallyeiither42luvr]

5 years already omg I’m getting old

[@MysticTransit]

That’s how I feel 😂

[@colin9072]

Am I the only one who didn’t know about heated seats?

[@EmeraldCrimsonShadowPeach2K5]

To be honest, I actually really like the R179s.

[@deniz2014]

I still call the r179 lemons

[@jaydottt_transitfanner]

THIS VID IS SO TRUE I FINALLY FOUND SOMEONE ELSE WHO THINKS THE R160S ARE BORING

[@newyorknyc6218]

Good question about the subway

[@infamousDoge69]

y’all ima take u on idc the r160 are MMMMMMMMM M I D

[@jacoanimationstudio-di7hi]

I like the propulsion of it. That’s about it.

[@randolphtwells1360]

R179 trains aren't lemons!

[@broyofroyo1207]

Thanks for defending the R179s

[@bethisrael6427]

The R179s are the fastest accelerating trains in the system.

[@rahmel2009]

5 years already, damn I was expecting you to say 3.

[@sparkswolverine]

He said “Let me tell you what this sh!t mean!”

[@retro_cam925]

the R179's are DUMMY THICC