"The Raid Will End in Failure" - An Analytical Response to the Worst Take in One Piece History

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[@HotBoySpicy]

Seems people don’t understand my point in this video. I’m not saying Wano will end in failure if the raid fails, what I’m saying is onigashima ending in failure would not only be redundant, but diffuse all climactic impact of all the failures culminating into the war.

[@blyzer7373]

Onigashima ending in failure is absolutely redundant, I agree. The idea which Mr. Morj is suggesting is redundant as it eventually comes to the same conclusion of Luffy beating Kaido but only after the Raid fails. Which made sense originally as Onisgashima wasn't above the Flower Capitol for everyone to see Kaido's defeat. As the story currently looks, wasting 90 chapters of Onigashima just so the Straw Hats lose for 5 minutes is a weird choice.

[@heyarnold7256]

Actually it's literally the exact opposite. Onigaishima ending in failure would only create an increase in impact of the failures to get to this point and raise the stakes and the tension even higher.

[@onepiecefan74]

@@blyzer7373 Problem is no one saw Kaido's defeat. No one saw momo save the flower capitol. Its all very strange. Morji is probably wrong and this is most likely the end of the arc. Unfortunately the arc is one of poorest in terms of writing and execution in One Piece history. Morji refused to believe that Oda botched his most anticipated arc.

[@glingglop9587]

@@heyarnold7256 that’s actually the purpose of luffy losing against Kaido

[@glingglop9587]

@@onepiecefan74 ????? I don’t understand how it’s the poorest botched arcs in the series or the purpose of it even ending in failure it doesn’t make any sense, why would oda have the raid fail it just doesn’t make sense to me

[@wiritpollapcharoenporn3168]

The Raid did not fail. I come here from the future

[@leonglitch]

What are you talking about Luffy and all the strawhats died and Kaido is the new mc.

[@mettaursp309]

@@leonglitch Yeah Oni Peace has really been flourishing under its new mc.

[@sarov7658]

People believing raid fail are insane lol believe in luffy for once jesus he got defeated 4 times wasnt that enough weekly op takes are horrendous

[@TheGovernmentputcrackinmyblunt]

The raid failing was going to be a setback that would make Luffy and the straw hats personally invested in beating kaido for their own reasons, give time to wrap up the embarrassing amount of loose ends, show us the specifics of Zoan awakenings, show how Luffy would respond to his will being as close to broken as marineford and make the climax of the entire post timeskip more emotional. I've heard no story reasons that the raid succeeding in the way it did that would make the arc feel more emotional and memorable than it could've been and having literally no low point for the straw hats in another arc could work but as the culmination of the post timeskip having it be worse in story and emotional weight than multiple pre timeskip arcs and whole cake is extremely disappointing. You can disagree with the theory but actually calling the raid failing bad when it just straight up creates a better story is laughable

[@StudioAlexOfficial]

Great video! I loved your take on Kaido vs Luffy's interpertation of past events. Kaido does not understand anything!

[@queencancerous5332]

People completely missed the point of why Luffy failed at Marineford and why it won't happen again, we've already had enough drama happen in Wano. Edit: Morj fans will post a paragraph long response on why you're "wrong" if you don't agree with them, LMFAO

[@rinmartell2678]

This. Luffy failed at marineford, because he needed a reality check. He thought that could just enter the new world and have adventures with his friends and play little pirates games. He needed to understand the horrors of the new world and that he is too weak. The admirals and Warlords. Even Kizrarus nephew and the dude who ran impel down. They all humbled him. Seeing WB-pirates clash with the whole marine and holding their own while strawhats couldn’t handle one single admiral was important for Luffy. He understood, took a 2 years break and trained harder then ever before to be able to survive in the new world. He is not gonna fail ever again because he understood what it meant to face Kaido. He understood that losing is an opportunity. Unlike before where he always won and got over confident. He was the reason Kizaru showed up in Sabaody in the first place. The idea that Kizaru would totally destroy the strawhats never crossed his mind. He grew up and now he is ready to face the most important player like big mom and Kaido

[@TheGovernmentputcrackinmyblunt]

The raid failing was going to be a setback that would make Luffy and the straw hats personally invested in beating kaido for their own reasons, give time to wrap up the embarrassing amount of loose ends, show us the specifics of Zoan awakenings, show how Luffy would respond to his will being as close to broken as marineford and make the climax of the entire post timeskip more emotional. I've heard no story reasons that the raid succeeding in the way it did that would make the arc feel more emotional and memorable than it could've been and having literally no low point for the straw hats in another arc could work but as the culmination of the post timeskip having it be worse in story and emotional weight than multiple pre timeskip arcs and whole cake is extremely disappointing. You can disagree with the theory but actually calling the raid failing bad when it just straight up creates a better story is laughable.

[@queencancerous5332]

@@TheGovernmentputcrackinmyblunt Why would Oda set this up to fail? This series has always been about conquering and overcoming the impossible. You people honestly hyped up Kaido too much and forgot about the rubber boy who time and time again shattered everyone's world view.

[@TheGovernmentputcrackinmyblunt]

@@queencancerous5332 my previous comment is the answer to that. What set up specifically are you talking about story wise?

[@queencancerous5332]

@@TheGovernmentputcrackinmyblunt why do you want Luffy to fail so badly? Did he kick your dog or something?

[@abdosoliman]

Oda manages to create the most ridiculous goofy-looking world with deep real-life issues and throws in so many characters and gives them all their time and story and development it's unreal this man is in a different tier of talent. Oda is the Tolkien and The GRRM of Manga.

[@neerajcherukuri4052]

No,I think he is like Tad Williams or Robert Jordan of manga.

[@justaway6901]

I was also of that opinion until Wano dropped

[@rockstar-made]

holy shit it taste that good?

[@Pure100percentfacts_]

These one piece fans😂 isn’t wano the most disappointing arc in one piece shit was hyped up before pre timeskip

[@MrPsych77]

​@@justaway6901 and I'm of that opinion now especially with egghead

[@theninjaofdeath879]

Re-watching this video and reading all the comments with a big smile on my face. Morj fans in shambles.

[@justaway6901]

I don't know man. Maybe they just care about the actual theory. Labelling anyone who buys into the "Raid Failing" theory as "Morj fans" just muddies the discussion. You can be persuaded by an argument without dckriding the one presenting the argument. I just find this kind of thinking kind of naive. Also to add, I'm not sure this video would even make "Morj fans" in shambles because it is just a big Strawman Argument. It doesn't actually address the actual "Raid Failing" version presented by Morj. What Spicy did was create his own version of the "Raid Failing" theory and that's what he attacked. Its a classic non-starter.

[@nicolasgomez6637]

I confirm from 2024, the raid is... A SUCCESS

[@austinsinger7565]

This video age well.

[@oyamampendu9467]

That description bro it got me right in my nostalgia

[@mannythegrandfather2291]

But I would also like to ask, what about the remaining plot points that are yet to be addressed even now that the Onigashima Arc is about to come to a conclusion in the manga.

[@otish-b4512]

what plot points?

[@mannythegrandfather2291]

A lot of them, but Zoro’s in particular stands out to me

[@Bigtoor69]

Unresolved/Abandoned Plot Threads: -Kokeshi dolls/poneglyph mystery. -Nidai Kitetsu. -Hitetsu's identity and conformation on the man he was waiting for (probably just Toki's prophecy). -Tama's promise with Ace. -The guy in wano clothing drinking with Crocus. -Brainwashing of children in flower capitol. -Why Wano was called the Land of Gold. -Zoro getting revenge for Yasuie. -Any real character development coming from Zoro's new heritage. -Any character development for Kid. For a guy who just beat a Yonko he seems like a fairly flat character with no role going forward. -Queen vs. Who's-Who (Five different mentions of them wanting to kill each other with no resolution.) -Any point in Apoo or the Numbers existence. -Numbers Yamato is friends with looking so similar to the Daimyo from her past. -Yamato character arc in general. Her last exchange with Kaido is literally a cliffhanger of Kaido yelling about her fate as an Oni. -Onis. -Why Kaido and the Beast Pirates refer to Yamato as a he. I'm pretty sure it isn't because of how progressive they are. -Yamato's mother and why she was called "oni princess" (no one refers to Kaido as a king/royalty). -Just Carrot in general. She's been a complete non-factor in the arc despite her one moment of focus being a scene which basically forces her to continue adventuring instead of going back to Zou. -Whatever name Onigashima used to go by (according to Marco) and what the hell it is. -Basil Hawkins ability to let people/himself fight beyond their natural limit mentioned in act 1 was never used. Spoilers for the chapter don't really line up with how he acts in the fight vs. Killer or before the fight. His ability is literally to use people as a shield and protect himself. -Why Kaido is revered as "guardian deity" and also the importance of Dragons in general, given the Dragon Statue that Ace destroyed isn't modeled after Kaido (doesn't have four horns like Kaido does). -Shadow at the end of Chapter 1004 was never confirmed to be Hiyori and none of the scabbards recognized her. -Toki being from the Void Century never played a role in the plot. -Who's Who's identity and being killed by CP0. Why did a random prison guard randomly tell him about such super secret information? Also Jinbei seems familiar with the Nika story. -Big Mom Pirates and World Government Ships just left? -Zunesha just came all this way to drop some lore and leave? -Zoro and the Grim Reaper. -Why Luffy "died" before awakening. Or at least why Oda choose to spin it that way. -Opening the borders of Wano. -Kanjuro was revived, made the whole flame demon thing that accomplished nothing, and then died? -Kaido victory cry was foreshadowed as late as 1038, really makes me wonder how much pre-planning Oda is doing of the story. -King and Queen were both seemingly knocked out of Onigashima into water. Did they die? Are all the Beast Pirates in Udon? Did someone go into the magma and get Kaido and Big Mom? -Yamato gave a big speech to Momonosuke about fighting against impossible odds and how it's better to die free/fighting than live as a slave. Luffy awakened in the same chapter not giving Momonosuke a chance to respond to Yamato's words. -Oda apparently wrote an entire cover story for Caribou to come to Wano just so he could give Luffy some meat. Who's he going to sell the Poseidon info to? -Usopp said he would take down two of the Tobi Roppo, hopefully someone else can confirm but I believe Usopp's lies are almost always things that either come true later in the arc or can come true later in the series. -No confirmation of how Orochi's devil fruit works made it difficult for readers to tell if he was alive or dead, especially with all the fake-outs. -How will Law even approach his goal of learning the true history without any way of reading the poneglyphs? -Somehow the strongest zoan crew in the world and the strongest creature in the world who has had his devil fruit for 40 years doesn't have awakenings but the Impel Down jailers do? -What Big Mom said about the country having a piece of One Piece? -Why Momonosuke can't die, why Yamato and Oden think he will guide the world to the dawn. Oden's journal. -We still have no clear reason for why Kaido wants to die and why he's a wheeping alocholic with heavy mood swings. -Not clear why Drake blew his cover just to let Law free. CP0/Sword dynamic is still vague. -Sanji Germa Transformation has been completely ignored ever since 1031 ended. -No real strong parallels between Scabbards/Strawhats or Luffy/Oden. Makes me wonder why Oda made nine of them given how shortchanged some were for development/screen-time. -Kaido's words about the people of Wano being losers and having accepted defeat just kind of ended up being true. -Kaido's words about the alliance needing to see Luffy be defeated to test their faith didn't go anywhere. -Big Mom's plan/purpose in Wano. Why Luffy declared he would fight/beat her like a dozen times since Fishman Island only for them to never clash? Still don't know what Kid stole from her either. -Still no Road Poneglyph?

[@Chris-rj4bt]

@@Bigtoor69 imo I think a lot of it is stuff that will come into play/be further developed later in the series. Some of it is Wano being bloated and I’t felt convoluted which I agree with too. A lot of the stuff you said I feel like were already said and explained in the story too? Kaidos mindset and why he’s so depressed was already given context too with his flashback too.

[@furorteutonicus9045]

@@Bigtoor69 Most of the things you list are things that will be solved later in the story. Other things are you (or the person who made this list) looking far too deep into things and making them relevant plot points somehow. There are even things that on this list that are not even things that are not and never were "plot threads". Especially Zoros lineage never played any role during the whole arc. Its no wonder Oda revealed Zoros family tree in an SBS. His lineage has nothing to do with the plot of Wano. This is another thing fans just made into a plot thread just because they believed some dumb theory (like ZKK) or desperately wanted Wano to be Zoros arc even though that was never promised/confirmed by anyone.

[@srensen9948sander]

great video, you should take a look on kaidos backstory, i would like to hear a character analysis from your view

[@LordSosukeAizen]

Very high quality video you will go far! 👍

[@Coburnify]

First off. Your editing is fantastic. Loved it. But dude, you can't make a video on this take at the END of the raid. I mean pfft. Come on. They were theorizing and you're like.. I read the chapters so uh.. nah. Then added some stuff we all already knew.

[@bobslaphappy6981]

i mean you are right, but look at the people even in this comment section defending the raid will fail theory even now. A lot of people read the latest chapter and still think the raid will fail so the vid is still relevant. I do agree it would have been more effective if this vid came out earlier tho

[@worthyedge9307]

To be fair, the people were riding the raid failing theory to the literal very end, even a while after the gear 5 reveal

[@justaway6901]

​@@bobslaphappy6981 Because they actually refuse that Oda would actually butcher the most built-up storyline in One Piece yet. Its the same with people that defend the writing that's happening. One uses mental gymnastics, the other, denial. The fact that the video didn't actually addressed the actual "Raid Failing" theory just doesn't help the situation of the realization that yes, the narrative is not so good and Oda did a poor job of writing the story(mainly the third act) compared to other major One Piece arcs. Oda has been a fantastic writer. But clearly, something behind the scene happened during the writing of Wano that prevented him from actualizing a cohesive vision of the whole Wano storyline.

[@kennethlatorre5269]

​@@justaway6901 You are just butthurt.

[@bobslaphappy6981]

all the people in the comments saying this video fails to argue for the raids success are wrong. In makes no sense for the raid to fail, and then for there to be a second battle where they succeed, for the very obvious reasons stated in this video. This battle is the culmination of everything since marine ford, it makes no sense narratively for it to be a fakeout before the real success. These people need to stop projecting there headcannons unto one piece and just look at the story as a whole for what it really is, morj especially. The fact that he read chapter 1049 and still doubled down on everything shows he dosnt have a clue what hes talking about and is just overly invested in his own headcannon, instead of being invested in understanding the story his channel is dedicated too.

[@michaeldorsey9231]

“The fact that he read chapter 1049 and still doubled down on everything shows he dosnt have a clue what hes talking about and is just overly invested in his own headcannon,” There is significantly less of a chance for the Raid to fail now than earlier on when the theory was put forward, but until Kaido’s defeat is actually confirmed there will always be a chance for Luffy and/or the Alliance to fail. Yes, Luffy landed what appeared to be a final blow, but now it’s a question of “can Kaido get up from this” and “if that occurs is Luffy still strong enough to continue”?

[@queencancerous5332]

@@michaeldorsey9231 dude just engulfed by lava, he ain't coming back

[@TheGovernmentputcrackinmyblunt]

I've heard no story reason on why this was a good climax to 10 years of buildup and how this would make the story better than the raid temporarily failing and giving Luffy and the alliance other than kid a personal reason for why they want to beat kaido. Morj actually presented a case for why his theory would create a more emotional engaging story and just ignoring the work he put in because you have no rebuttal is pretty disrespectful.

[@justaway6901]

@Bob slaphappyYou are wrong. Stop your headcanon

[@glingglop9587]

Damn that was crazy good job

[@kadbenson7540]

Th quote in this video about kaido knowing about, experiencing and even reveering the past and the deaths of the great men of that past but not truly understanding them and what actually made their deaths, and lives, so poignant and powerful. is an incredible parable and metaphor for Mr morj and his the raid will fail theories (/rhetoric lol), he's so convinced of his own idea and the idea that his outcome is better written and fits the story better it makes him blind to the perfect groundwork oda had outlined in front of him and all of us. He was literally trying to enforce his actual will on fate, does art imitate life or does life imitate art. Lol. Either way I wonder if mr morj will ever to able to accept how deftly and skillfully Oda had everything play out on onigashima. I mean he really went whole hog and based almost his entire channel on his theory, and in my experience when someone goes so all out for something and especially publicly even when proven 100% wrong they rarely will ever switch tracks, typically theyd3ny or attack the credibility and value of the truth clinging desperately to the tiny piece of their once golden idea that hasn't been addressed or disproven , or if even that's gone they completely flip the script and say that their way is the way it Should of been, then they load up their argument gun with slightly tweaked remarks that they where originally using to support their theory before it was disproven.

[@xXdnerstxleXx]

Ah yes the dumbest theory in all of One Piece. The raid couldn‘t fail the second the stakes were too high. Oda wouldn‘t kill the entire population of the flower capital.

[@wisdommanari6701]

Zkk was worse

[@xXdnerstxleXx]

@@wisdommanari6701 that is debatable. ZKK actually had some kind of likelelyhood to happen when Zoro did Asura. Right after that the chances went back to zero. Raid will fail was at a negative chance ever since Kaido announced the New Onigashima project.

[@justaway6901]

​@@xXdnerstxleXx Lol

[@tmu5073]

Although this was a pretty good video, the fact that you don't address the actual theory of the raid failing makes this argument by nature weaker. I get that you are aware of this and think that your analysis is enough to dispel that the raid will fail, but as someone who's heard both sides of the argument it really isn't. Almost every point you bring up can go with the raid failing theory, since most who subscribe to the raid falling theory also think it's going to succeed in the end. The raid fail theory isn't trying to say that luffy will reach a low point in which his spirit will be tested. The main reason morj still thinks the raid is going to fail is because the alliances faith in luffy still hasn't been tested to a severe degree, and the fact that most of the alliance is running through the beast pirates without much struggle or stakes. This idea of the alliance and their faith in luffy has been explicitly brought up by kaido as "if they don't see his head, the will keep clinging to hope," yet despite luffy being taken out in onigashima twice, it hasn't played out in the way kaido specifically described. Your argument is predicated on the fact that the "failure" of the arc is that the country of wano was already in a state of darkness for 20 years which mirrors the world being in a state of darkness for 800 years. The problem with this is that you are already looking at this from too much of a macro perspective. Most conflicts are built on the need to bring revolution and change for the better. But most conflicts themselves have a low point within the midst of the actual battle where all hope seems lost so that victory feels all the more satisfying. Just look at alabasta for example, the country was already in a state of misery with the absence of rain, lacking faith in their ruler, and an erupting civil war. The conflict was built on the need to end the civil war and eliminate the threat of crocodile, but within the mission to end crocodile's tyranny luffy loses twice, the second loss making luffy's victory all the more dramatic. Even before the raid started, morj acknowledged the possibility that that the raid could hit sort of a hiccup where the alliance is on the brink of failure and luffy comes in to save the day when all hope seems lost. Yet throughout the entire raid, even though luffy gets taken out, the effect this has on the alliance is next to nothing. It's not that the alliance has to lose all hope, it just has to be tested in a meaningful way that makes it dramatic. Finally, there are just too many unresolved threads pointing to a longer wano arc. I'm not even gonna list them all but if you aren't addressing most of those, then luffy winning against kaido in 1049 would make no sense.

[@Ty-cx5zj]

I feel like people think the raid failing is absolute when that not what morj is saying. What he is saying like what you pointed out is that the alliance faith in luffy needs to be TESTED, the raid can still fail and luffy can still come back to finish the job. The plot threads like kaido not using his last wisdom king attack, kaido awakening still not being used, sword that pierces the heavens still not being used, zoro new plot thread, and so many more stuff do indeeds that wano will be a bit longer than people anticipated and I think that is fine as long as it tells a COHESIVE STORY. There is also act 3 in a japanese play always having a tragedy of some sorts to move on to act 4 with act 5 being the actual conclusion. Also I feel like people ignore the statement of the gorosei foreshadowing another death in the raid.

[@mannythegrandfather2291]

What’s also very interesting is that, the scabbards as well as the samurai’s and straw hats never actually saw Luffy being taken out by Kaido, despite the fact that he’s been knocked out three times already.

[@entym2972]

the alliances faith in luffy still has been tested when they didn't give up even when he was announced to be dead, saying that it wasn't tested enough is completely arbitrary. Luffy has lost more times to Kaido than against any other opponants in the series, he also has gotten 3 major power up and one of the very few training arcs in the series, again more than against any other antagonist before hand. If you still don't think that's enough, than it's at best a criticism of the writing an not an indication of what is gonna happen next.

[@heyarnold7256]

@@entym2972 It's not arbitrary. It's not a real test if it only lasts for a moment. Characters have to experience doubts, question their beliefs, motivations, and themselves. Thats what a real test would entail.

[@heyarnold7256]

Actually in regards to this: "The raid fail theory isn't trying to say that luffy will reach a low point in which his spirit will be tested. The main reason morj still thinks the raid is going to fail is because the alliances faith in luffy still hasn't been tested to a severe degree," It's both of those things. Luffy's spirit as a King hasn't really been tested yet either.

[@timeflier5457]

You have a twitter by chance?

[@HotBoySpicy]

No. But I’ll be making one relatively soon and announcing it via a KZbin post and on my discord.

[@jazzmazz9214]

Good video. Even in Wano, even in Onigashima, Luffy has been defeated more than once. Him losing again after becoming Joyboy would be totally redundant.

[@TheGovernmentputcrackinmyblunt]

The consequences for those defeats were literal power ups. I'm not against that happening but there was no personal stake for the straw hats that could've been added and we could've gotten an explanation for kaidos awakening, had the straw hats take an L that traumatized them and made it personal, gave oda time to wrap up plot points he dropped and made wano memorable more for story and plot reasons rather than the fight while giving Luffys win more meaning in effectively one move.

[@jazzmazz9214]

@@TheGovernmentputcrackinmyblunt How is it not personal? Kaido already beat Luffy. Several times. He was even beliefed too have killed him by the crew itself. The entirety of act 2 was making the problems of Wano apparent and personal to the strawhats. Also, plot points are still being resolved at this moment.

[@Trickey2413]

@@TheGovernmentputcrackinmyblunt most defeats are powerups. CP9 --> Gear 2 marineford -> timeskip powerups. Kaido vs Luffy --> ryuo ---> gear five. A lot of defeats lead to powerups. Nothing new, don't reach too hard. Also L

[@justaway6901]

The argument is about making Luffy's last defeat (before the supposed awakening) more palpable and not just 6 pages. You know, instill some sense of uncertainty and fear within the alliance, like actual uncertainty and fear, for an actual sense of tension like any good author would do.

[@jazzmazz9214]

@@justaway6901 Bruh, we had a literal entire chapter where Luffy was dead. Yes, it was cluttered, but Luffy literally dying and Kaido being declared the winner was that.

[@muhammadjefferson1259]

Title is a littel clickbaity I doubt it's the worst one piece take ever.

[@481ru6]

Amazing video

[@mistergremm735]

Finally, dad back from cigarrete break :)

[@sidp5381]

Tje Morj Distraction by roasting there’s nothing much better than this

[@ididagood4335]

Luffy hasn’t seen the tortures of the people of the flower capital. They’re putting up lanterns that display their pain and their messages are not reaching anyone. They are literally floating past luffy and kaido. Luffy needs to see that side of wano too. Think about alabasta. Luffy and the strawhats had to be there to see the twin struggles of Koza and the government’s people. He had to witness Koza’s revolution unfold against the royal guards before the SHs beat Crocodile. Luffy couldn’t just beat Crocodile in the desert outside the Casino even though he knew Vivi’s pain.

[@justicemann4895]

He saw the prisoners in Udon that were so beaten down that even while they were dying from that mummy plague they still attacked Luffy because they were ordered to by the Beast Pirates

[@ReiseLukas]

Luffy already has

[@kaizoku8771]

He saw people hungry, not having food and water. He also saw people of ebisu town laughing after yasui died

[@piggytripper3704]

Luffy never NEEDED to see anything to help his friends, he didn't know Nami's past or Robin's story. His friends crying has always been enough reason for him

[@ajdoku865]

Did you just skip Act 1 & Act 2? If so reread Luffy and Tama's interactions between 909-918, his personal reason for fighting for Wano is right there. So much so he reiterates it to convince the Udon prisoners to rise up and join him in the fight.

[@bardockjr.5793]

YEAHHHHHH ONE OF MY FAVORITE ANIME KZbinRS TO DATE

[@mrcharles3061]

I think big mom will tell kaido to stop playing around when she approch him lying on the ground after she climp out and both show their awakening ready to rumbe. Then mama get the news that blackbeard is in here terretory and she leaves with her crew beliving kaido will easily win with his awakening. Kaido full turbo mode jumps up to blitz luffy then something makes him change his mind maybe the navy that is attaking and trying to kill luffy we saw that one of the ciphor agents left alive. Let's keep in mind all fight agains these monster lvl characters have been minimum days long so I do not belive that luffy could ever win in just one evening impossible that makes no sense.

[@glingglop9587]

Well after the newest chapter we can see why

[@mrcharles3061]

@@glingglop9587 what do you mean?

[@glingglop9587]

@@mrcharles3061 they’re in lava they’re done

[@minfat1904]

I understand your points but I think it is important to address mr morj actual points if you want to convert the raid failers into your point of view , IF that is your intention that is lol . Great video thought and keep doing what you do .

[@kennethlatorre5269]

??? What points? They all were shit.

[@thevipez8740]

What an idiotic video "In this video I'm going to explain why Morj's opinion was incredibly stupid, but disclaimer, I'm not actually going to address or respond to anything he has actually said or what his point actually even was" LOL💀💀

[@alexim2340]

I feel clickbaited, pulled up just to see your take on the morj movement.

[@walter-white4641]

This was before the end of the raid

[@idleshinobi3980]

Fantastic

[@RickyChristie]

The Morj fans all giving off "I'm better at writing than Oda vibe" lol. Now I understand why Morj is always clowned in his comments, it's not that he has a failed theory, it's his and his fans' arrogance.

[@-tom-8720]

I personally don't see how this is an argument for the raid not failing. Wano not failing sure; but I fail to see how Luffy losing at this point, or being taken out of the fight while Kaido attempts to subjugate the flower capital, goes against the points made in this video.

[@ayoubalkhazmi]

Yea with everything said in this video Luffy still got thrown out Onigashima and came back.

[@InkfightStudios]

I honestly can see something like Kuma happening again, where Kaido comes back to settle the score later but maybe Zoro somehow saves the day before the big separation.

[@seph3457]

@@ayoubalkhazmi he also didn't have gear 5, whatever gear 5 represents it most likely has something to do with making luffy fully worthy of carrying the wills of everyone he's inherited

[@luomodagliocchidifalco9421]

AHAHAHAHAHAH 🤡

[@justaway6901]

This did happen. Luffy got knocked out one last time. But the execution of that sequence is so poor you don't even realized that it was supposed to be a "low point". I mean we already got Luffy smiling at the end of the chapter that he got defeated.

[@JDMc017]

I didn't even know there were people saying the raid would fail. I'm sitting here scratching my head at the idea that someone would think the raid would fail despite the fact that One Piece isn't that type of story, and it seems like we're approaching the end of the battle. Or maybe they're saying the raid will fail by a technicality or something. Either way, it sounds really dumb, to be honest. One Piece fans are some strongly opinionated people on the weirdest and most ridiculous things, and frankly, engaging with them is a waste of time. Though I appreciate your thoughts on the matter.

[@chijiokenwanosike1419]

What we are saying is that the arc lacks a serious tone.....and the best way to give it that serious tone is by the raid failing

[@justaway6901]

"One Piece isn't that type of story" You mean story that doesn't use a midpoint? That doesn't use actual tension? The tension that actually gives you an edge of the seat experience? Because clearly, One Piece isn't known for that kind of story. /s

[@NN-yy9gb]

I'm a raid fail guy. After hearing your points in this vid, I feel Marineford's failure was the failure for Ace to succeed WB to keep peace across the world against the darkness of the WG. This should lead to Luffy inheriting Ace's will to both liberate Wano and the rest of the world. Marineford built up to the final much more than Wano, there was a reason Kaido was completely separated from that conflict by Shanks. Most importantly, Luffy will win. Just later. Swap marineford with Arlong park and Wano with early Alabasta and your points mentioned here can simply come in later, it's fine to not rush One Piece.

[@crissarodaeli3793]

bruh

[@animeproblem1070]

now what

[@Trickey2413]

L

[@xemur8540]

"Its fine to not rush One Piece" Yep 20 years is not enough

[@WohnTohn]

Poor morge bruh

[@gabrielpuello9867]

THE GOAT. period

[@TheLordShIIva]

I like this video but this would’ve been much better if you responded to the points the theory has

[@vincentsmith1564]

more one piece vids plz

[@heyarnold7256]

This is Morj's main point on the raid failing: kzbin.info/www/bejne/naTYZ2NvqbRjars Oda always uses this technique. Morj's point is that we're due for one in Wano.

[@HotBoySpicy]

I'm curious. You and other raid failers genuinely intrigue me. Do you think, even at this point, the raid will fail? That video is useless in the context of the present state of onigashima. Being this exact phenomenon has already happened right before Luffy's gear 5th. You can argue it might not be "enough", but you CAN'T argue it doesn't at least fit the mold.

[@heyarnold7256]

@@HotBoySpicy No it hasn't happened because a midpoint is characterized by a permanent shift in tone. Things getting briefly dire for a moment is objectively not a midpoint. A real midpoint hasn't happened yet. It's a moment where it looks like the characters have just gotten everything they wanted but then things go wrong. Which again perfectly lines up with their situation right now. Heres a more detailed explanation: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nJmvmYSvh7OMZ80 So far the plan has been going fine. They've been on the train of; sneak into Onigaishima and beat Kaido. A midpoint would be if that didn't work and they had to come up with something else entirely. Think the failed assassination of Big Mom on WCI.

[@HotBoySpicy]

@@heyarnold7256 You are arguing with me about objectivity without even fully understanding the midpoint phenomenon. It isn’t characterized by a unchanging shift in tone at all. No story stays in one tone after a midpoint. It isn’t “objectively” not a midpoint. And, actually, you could even argue the end of act 1 being your sacred midpoint. Historically with One Piece, a midpoint isn’t characterized by an unchanging shift in tone either. Just look at ennies lobby after the failure in Water 7 for the best example. There was so much goofs and gafs in between the serious confrontations. Also, if you desperately yearn for an example in onigashima specifically, the scabbards defeat against kaido? Kaido’s declaration of Luffy’s defeat pre gear 5th? This is such a faulty argument and it’s crazy you don’t see that. You shouldn’t throw around these elementary terms as evidence. It’s bad for your side.

[@heyarnold7256]

​@@HotBoySpicy I didn't say unchanging. But the shift is often so drastic that it almost splits the story into two different narratives. Even Morj talks about this in his very first video on the raid failing. The Main Mission is usually the thing that doesn't work. Thats why it always fails at the Midpoint. Tone is about how the characters react to certain situations. If Luffy isn't taking it seriously then there was no toneshift. Which is why the first defeat against Kaido doesnt really counts as that. Let alone the other knockouts that he just brushed off.

[@heyarnold7256]

@@HotBoySpicy You know what? I've just realized I've been arguing from the wrong angle here. You're not wrong for saying theres some moments which you could look at as close to a midpoint but I think the fact that theres so many "almost" and "maybe" midpoints just proves my point that we haven't gotten an actual one yet. Because if we did, it'd be clear and recognizable. We could point to it and say "that was definitively it". But that hasn't happened yet.

[@gonnamakepoopmoney]

F morj

[@JustButton]

I won’t knock Morj for cultivating a meme, but i will knock him for presenting his headcanon as fact. It’s setting up a lot of people for disappointment. Not every detail in a story is evidence and Oda is only human. Active reading is great but too much of a good thing is bad for you too.

[@heyarnold7256]

No one said every detail in a story is "evidence". He just understands storytelling principles and what they lead to. Like, a character pointing out their philosophical views is essentially the character verbalizing the themes of an arc. Which of course will naturally be reflected in the arc and the plot of the characters. Stuff like that can let you predict how an arc will play out.

[@JustButton]

@@heyarnold7256 Correct! I have no problems with this. The problem i have with “the raid will end in failure” argument in particular is that it builds this expectation that if the raid DOESN’T end in failure, then Oda missed the opportunity to pay off all his own setup. Morj’s steadfast, confident delivery makes it even worse. No matter how educated the guess is, its still just a guess. The raid’s not ending in failure, and i think it’s a shame some people are going to be disappointed by that, despite how much fun Wano has been. I would prefer Morj make more of an attempt to emphasize that he could be wrong in the future, it would make his review videos feel a lot less condescending.

[@heyarnold7256]

@@JustButton Regardless of how fun Wano has been there have legitimately been story threads that went nowhere. Doesn't matter how much fun things have been thats objectively bad writing. You can blame people for being upset at that. Also Morj has said repeatedly that he could be wrong. If you haven't seen that then must not be watching his videos much at all. Because he hasn't been condescending to anyone...aside from ZKK fans.

[@JustButton]

@@heyarnold7256 You're right about that. You have every right to expect good writing from one piece, and be miffed about the bad. Can't really control what works for you and what doesn't, it's not like we control our taste. And also right on the second point. I was really into his analysis videos back from 2017-18ish, but the last few Morj videos I watched, I clicked away early because he started to sound like my dad. "Based on this analysis Oda HAS TO do this this or this..." "It's not headcanon, it's just objective fact..." blah blah... I'm too old to get lectured like that. I'll just take your word for it that he acknowledges his fallibility in things I haven't watched. If he's doing that then he's fine. And on the last point, that's honestly a civic duty. Zkk fans were annoying af.

[@abdulrehmanmohsin7893]

This was not an analytical response at all. The raid failing does not mean the strawhats die and the story ends. It simply means a change of setting and a rise of stakes, meanwhile giving room to address so many lingering plot threads that are adding up even till now. If wano ends now then it will be unsatisfactory and it would mean that half of wano's set up and dialogues were just redundant.

[@maxpowerscomic7586]

Can you elaborate on why it would be an unsatisfactory ending to the arc rn?

[@abdulrehmanmohsin7893]

@@maxpowerscomic7586 Besides a long list of unanswered questions and unconcluded plot points, one big reason this would be an unsatisfactory ending is this lackluster final blow (if it is one). Compare it to any other arc. Skypiea for example, the final blow not only defeated enel but also fulfilled a 400 year promise by ringing the bell which was followed by a marvelous panel of Luffy in the sky. In Alabasta, Luffy kicked crocodile into the open sky, exposing the truth to everyone, also resulting in rain after an entire decade. The final blow always fulfills the overarching purpose of the arc and it involves alot of symbolism. There is no way the end of this fight is not better than that of those in the preceding arcs. Usually when the villain is about to be defeated, the conclusion of the arc is in sight. The purpose of this arc has been 'to open the lands of wano' and we do not even know what that is or how it will be achieved. Further, what do you expect happens after this? How do you fix the destroyed land of wano, the weapon factories, the pollution, the poisoned waters? The starving population? The marines that are about to raid? Will they now have a party despite all this? No, nothing has been resolved.

[@maxpowerscomic7586]

@@abdulrehmanmohsin7893 would luffy punching Kaido deep underground + the death of orochi not be considered the fulfilling of the wano promises? Especially considering the focus/attention given to the lanterns which are asking for those 2 things? I think the fixing of wano will happen with momonosuke as shogun and Yamato as his right hand. It ofc won’t happen between panels but with big mom, orochi, and kaido gone it’ll be much easier to begin liberating/helping the people of wano. An interesting narrative twist would be if the marines end up taking over wano and the main cast has to retreat. The only reason I would see this not happening is because we have already spent so long in wano I don’t think Oda wants to have a “liberate Wano 2” arc

[@queencancerous5332]

@@abdulrehmanmohsin7893 Not sure how else you wanted Luffy to beat Kaido, but you do you I guess.

[@tobiasarevalo9929]

@@abdulrehmanmohsin7893 killing off orochi in one chapter and kaido being defeated was extremely satisfying for me, any unanswered questions can easily be resolved in the party maybe a character's backstory like brook or just cool reavels like the end of dressrosa

[@tommyg4842]

I don’t watch this why is puffy dressed as samurai now? lol

[@heyarnold7256]

Who is puffy?

[@daddy_1453]

2 big events ensured the raid would succeed: A) We got the Oden flashback just before the Raid. We were shown the ultimate failure just before the War started. The deaths of Oden and Toki. So we knew what failure looked like. There was no longer a need for the Raid to fail to increase tension/ stakes before the victory in Wano. B) Outside intervention (Marines) to distract Kaido and allow the Alliance to regroup was the second core idea of the "Raid fail" theory. That idea was shattered once Kaido lifted Onigashima. Now the Alliance is cut off from reinforcements and retreat. Its all or nothing. Victory or defeat. No outside intervention. (Honestly, who else could have guessed Kaido could even do such a thing??)

[@Strawhatj824]

I think morgz uses too much head cannon and ignores the narrative oda is writing for what he would want

[@aaronok1]

Always excellent at analysis, once again you have done a tremendous job. However, It would be better to say that someone is wrong rather than say that it is the worst take ever so as not to offend anyone. I realize that you intentionally are stirring the pot and were deliberately inflammatory here for your own reasons. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. I do like your listed poem however and I likewise liked the video, just not the caption.

[@justaway6901]

It would have been fine if not for the fact that he actually didn't addressed the actual argument and just made a strawman. I think that's more offensive

[@GreenHeartE7]

To all those who advocated for the Raid Failing...hold your L

[@royaltypebros.5915]

People want more drama, not a resolution to issues that have been on going since Punk Hazard. Can't wait until Luffy is declared the winner

[@thesilvershota3091]

The raid is going to fail.

[@NN-yy9gb]

But the most important thing is listening to the other side of the argument

[@heyarnold7256]

Agree.

[@N_Tertainment7]

This aged well

[@heyarnold7256]

@@N_Tertainment7 Hey man, Act 3 isn't over yet.

[@Trickey2413]

@@heyarnold7256 L

[@sebastianpecnik810]

now this is spicy

[@squidnationtv1527]

cool

[@andresguerrero3347]

on comments, on youtube, on twitter, on reddit. Never bet against the mc

[@joy4themightydonutchainsaw620]

Another Banger I See

[@blyzer7373]

That's an unnecessarily aggressive title.

[@An00n]

The raid did not fail, i never believed it would. But we got probably the most unsatisfactory ending to a major arc in One Piece, i kinda wish the raid did fail now, maybe the story would've been better. Still love your videos man, specially the Naruto ones!

[@heyarnold7256]

None of this is really an argument against the raid failing. If you think it is then I don't think you get what the actual arguments are for the raid failing and the point of it all.

[@glingglop9587]

He’s saying that it narratively makes no sense

[@jukaa1012]

@@glingglop9587 raid failing could have meant anything. Luffy lost several times during the raid anyway... According to you guys that somehow did not make sense?

[@animeproblem1070]

the raid has literally succeeded it’s done now stop with this BS

[@TheGovernmentputcrackinmyblunt]

@@animeproblem1070 he's talking about the story reasons for why it would've made for a better story and just because it happened the way you want it means literally nothing if the story is inferior. It's funny that you guys never talk about the emotional and story weight when arguing and how your pov would make any of that better and more memorable.

[@animeproblem1070]

@@TheGovernmentputcrackinmyblunt the raid failing would be bad story telling because failing means that everyone dies there was never a chance for a comeback if the raid failed and that was the drama of it

[@481ru6]

👋🏾

[@yung_amr6056]

damn

[@haraldstraume6892]

HOTBOY IS STIRRING THE POT

[@Anonymous-jo2te]

Top quality video..

[@braxtonhart4209]

This analysis is well presented, and I enjoyed the video, but the main disconnect i see is the assumption that the raid failing means that luffy won’t ever defeat kaido in wano. It’s fairly obvious that kaido will be defeated, the theory just states that it doesn’t make sense for it to happen within the context of the raid at this part of the arc

[@limb.dondototohasstartedso7288]

I BELIEVE THAT RAID WILL FAIL AND KEEP ONE BELIEVING TILL THE WANO ARC ENDS JUST SAYING THIS I.M.

[@sarov7658]

Are u im sama no wonder

[@ricksanchez2427]

Haven't even seen the video yet but that title WENT HAARDD

[@CPubi]

ok the raid failure theory is "obsolete" because... luffy is motivated to beat kaido. great argument.

[@RandomPerson-le6xc]

ok, now watch the video please.

[@TheGovernmentputcrackinmyblunt]

@@RandomPerson-le6xc he basically did to him what he did to Morj as he literally brought up not one of his points to rebutt them.

[@RandomPerson-le6xc]

@@TheGovernmentputcrackinmyblunt The video just argues why the raid will suceed. It doesn't say anything false about the raid will fail theory. His comment misrepresented the video.

[@TheGovernmentputcrackinmyblunt]

@@RandomPerson-le6xcMorj has been piling story reasons for why the raid failing would create a more emotional, personal and more complete defeat of kaido and this guy called this the worst theory without explaining the story justifications that Morj brought up. That's pretty disrespectful and shows he really doesn't have the depth of knowledge to rebutt the arguments and likely knows he can't argue against them.

[@maxpowerscomic7586]

Def a baseless theory. What would odd be conveying through the narrative by having luffa fail here? It would do nothing except undermine luffs massive progression. Great video! Can’t wait for more! HOT BOY SPICY WOO!

[@michaeldorsey9231]

“What would odd be conveying through the narrative by having luffa fail here? It would do nothing except undermine luffs massive progression.” Or it would simply mean that Luffy still has further to go, that his progressions thus far have been steps in the right direction, just not enough.

[@maxpowerscomic7586]

@@michaeldorsey9231 sure, hypothetically luffy can always learn more. Anyone can always learn more. But here Wano is at its narrative peak. Having luffy lose here just doesn’t make sense. What would be next? Retake wano? Leave wano to kaido? What’s the next play?

[@michaeldorsey9231]

In the past two arcs it’s been revealed that the big bads have access to Devil Fruit awakenings, and while it might not be an absolute necessity for Kaido himself to have an awakening to be the strongest (pre awakening Luffy could beat awakened Doffy and Katakuri), it would be odd that one of the strongest characters doesn’t have this and for him to break this recently established trend. Maybe his burning form was the awakened form, but considering how blatant other characters have been about using awakened abilities I doubt it. Beyond that as of now none of the citizens of the flower capital have any knowledge of the Raid going on; it could be that Oda will follow through with the Alliance’s victory being a covert one, but considering how in past arcs he’s had the citizens of an island being in the know about Luffy’s battles (Skypia and Dressrosa) it feels very odd that he would make Luffy’s victory over Kaido unknown to the populace.

[@maxpowerscomic7586]

@@michaeldorsey9231 solid facts! Thanks so much for replying! I agree w the idea that kaido could awaken bc of past awakenings of villains when they are about to lose. In dressrosa, luffys new form wasn’t enough the first time and he needed the help of the people to win. I think gear 5, however, is a different breed entirely from gear 4 and, considering the sheer strength of the attack, I think just by force alone Kaido should be out of the battle. The burning dragon form could be an awakening, but like you said it wasn’t explicitly stated. It does seem like a trump card move though. Also, having luffy fulfill the wishes of the citizens of wano without their knowing could play into the seemingly miraculous nature of luffys liberation of the country. Also it is an unexpected narrative twist compared to all other arcs in which luffy is celebrated and rooted for throughout the fight. Ofc I think he will be celebrated at some point soon, probably right before they leave as per usual. One way I could see this being subverted, however, would be if Kaido returns and the CP agent that escaped summons a buster call on wano or something like that. Guess we will see in 2 weeks!

[@heyarnold7256]

It's the exact opposite. A failure here would progress Luffy even further into a proper King.

[@GamingXCentre]

When I heard about this raid failure thing I was like man whoever these fans on One Piece are must be delusional. Good job on the video once again my dude.

[@NotTheWheel]

At the time when Onigashima started it was a sound theory. However now that Luffy has gotten his power up it doesn't matter anymore. The idea of the Raid failing was a concept of making a compelling story instead of one where people get random power ups and boosts and/or changing how their powers fundamentally work inorder to progress the story to where Luffy and company win.

[@jazzmazz9214]

The raid failing was an interesting theory but was immediately disproven once things actually began going well. At this point, it would not make any thematic sense for the raid to fail.

[@NotTheWheel]

@@jazzmazz9214 yeah as I said it makes no sense now for the raid to fail. I will say that the way things have turned out have been so convoluted and unsatisfying that I'm on the brink of dropping the series all together. Really hoping for Elbaf.

[@queencancerous5332]

it is very unlike One Piece to have an a raid on enemy territory end in failure, Marineford only exists to show how underprepared Luffy actually was.

[@NotTheWheel]

@@queencancerous5332 I would argue this for sake of debate. But honestly I couldn't care less about One Piece anymore I've dropped it.

[@queencancerous5332]

@@NotTheWheel bye, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out

[@Ronin11111111]

"As of chapter 1049 Morj still believes the raid will fail" BOY OH BOY, am I glad I stopped watching that guys videos. His analytical videos of already existing content are pretty good, I especially liked when he pointed out that larger geopolitical conflict isn't "pirates vs WG", but the WG versus the competing empires of the Yonkou, but his way of analyzing current content week-to-week and future theorizing is just.... it's just the worst.

[@trevorroberts6764]

In history? Not sure about that. That’s pure clickbait

[@HotBoySpicy]

Got you to click on it

[@dhygin]

HE DON'T MISS!

[@yahela487]

Dont think the raid will fail because we are way to many chapters into onigashima, but i definitly think it will be extremly disappointing if this is how kaido is defeated and the biggest storyline in one piece ended so i believe he will get back up. Also i find your argument misleading, you phrase it like "the raid wil fail" theory says that the straw hat will lose and wano will have a sad ending while its not the case at all, your entire argument in this video falls when realising that the theory says there is more to this arc and there will be a second round versus the beast pirates which will obviously succeed. You are acting like if luffy fails here he will lose forever and he wont free wano but as luffy himself says- he is rubber so he will always bounce back and thats how he defeated most villains like crocodile and lucci even after he lost to them before ( and thats why in a way he can never truly lose because his fighting spirit (or haki) will never end)

[@otish-b4512]

this video boutta age like milk LMAO

[@Trickey2413]

L

[@otish-b4512]

@@Trickey2413 shut up bro

[@urgeboatshorts8179]

Lmao

[@gothgrrl8711]

and you're still holding an L a year later

[@mannythegrandfather2291]

This was a brilliant response to the argument of the raid failing 👏🏾

[@malcolmisgee]

Exactly. You stated it perfectly I see people in the comments still not grasping the simplicity of this whole thing. Luffys time of failure is OVER. He is going to defeat kaido here to make a point and set a precedent so as to get everyone else to believe in him through seeing it with their own eyes.

[@heyarnold7256]

Luffy's time for failure isn't over until this last failure in the raid. Then we can be certain he'll never lose.

[@malcolmisgee]

@@heyarnold7256 shut up Arnold.

[@malcolmisgee]

@@heyarnold7256 you cannot reply to a point with a statement u ain’t proving shit u just came in here to say “ boom I’m right bam ur wrong

[@queencancerous5332]

@@heyarnold7256 Kaido's kicked his ass 3 times now, his victory actually feels earned

[@heyarnold7256]

@@queencancerous5332 None of those losses actually mattered though. The number of losses is irrelevant. It's about the weight and impact of the loss and how it affects the characters. Hence why Luffy's first lost to crocodile was fare more impactful than any of his losses to Kaido. Luffy getting knocked out just felt like business as usual. Hence why it felt like there was no struggle.

[@luomodagliocchidifalco9421]

I'm definitely with you man! Too many Morjtards here, of course chapter 1050 proved thad raid succeeded xD

[@teachesl2945]

I didnt like the story but the anime has made this arc remarkable to watch

[@SuperPlacido1]

What do you not like about the story of One Piece?

[@petroselushi6590]

Ese atuendo me vuelve loco LIKESEX.Uno loco contigo y tienes ese cuerpo curvilíneo, hiciste un buen trabajo modelándolo también. También me gusta el último atuendo. Me encantash cómo los cinturones de liga se.

[@justaway6901]

Ahw it would have been interesting. But this video is just a huge strawman

[@TheGovernmentputcrackinmyblunt]

The raid failing was going to be a setback that would make Luffy and the straw hats personally invested in beating kaido for their own reasons, give time to wrap up the embarrassing amount of loose ends, show us the specifics of Zoan awakenings, show how Luffy would respond to his will being as close to broken as marineford and make the climax of the entire post timeskip more emotional. I've heard no story reasons that the raid succeeding in the way it did that would make the arc feel more emotional and memorable than it could've been and having literally no low point for the straw hats in another arc could work but as the culmination of the post timeskip having it be worse in story and emotional weight than multiple pre timeskip arcs and whole cake is extremely disappointing. You can disagree with the theory but actually calling the raid failing bad when it just straight up creates a better story is laughable.

[@thevoid5732]

Yeahhh no. They didn't need to be as broken as they were at marineford. That was the entire purpose of the timeskip so that they never suffer a defeat like this again. We didn't need to see awakenings. The only thing that needed to happen in wano was kaidos defeat. Plus the strawhats were already heavily invested in taking down kaido. Tama, momo, toko, the scabbards, yassui??? People complained about acts 1 and 2 being slow when it was used to set up wano and why kaido needed to be taken out now people conveniently forget all that. Also what loose plot threads cuz people keeps saying this but from what I've seen the plot threads end up amounting to things that would add to hype rather than things that needed narrative payoff

[@bigjen8238]

Yamato is not male, she's just a fan of Oden

[@gothgrrl8711]

he's trans-male, good try tho.

[@bigjen8238]

@@gothgrrl8711 nah, if Oden was female, she wouldn't even consider being male

[@user-yu9nf8vm5e]

This was pretty disrespectful and dismissive my guy. All you did in this video was summarise the story's basic plot. Anyone who watches One Piece would already know this stuff. The raid probably won't fail because that's just not the style of writer Oda is. Morj is listened to despite this though because he always makes excellent points in his videos and is thorough in his analysis. He doesn't just tell you what you already know. His opinions are strong, but he isn't combatant about his views as you are here. He acknowledges that he might be wrong. Actually, try and watch his videos and you'll see there's no need for this stuff. There's no reason to get so heated about a story we all love.

[@otish-b4512]

I know, man is just a massive hater… hotboyspicy more like hateboyspicy emphasis on BOY because he is still a child he cant engage with intelegent discussion he is dummmb watch his plage of gripes video too to see how wrong he is about naruto too!! hehe so good (but not) but it is too!! hehe

[@HotBoySpicy]

I'm curious if you even watched the entire video, or the intro for that matter. I mention at the beginning I agree with many of Morj's takes and actually like the guy for the most part. I get you are a fan, but narrowing down my analysis to "the story's basic plot" is a gross misrepresentation of what I cover here.

[@maxpowerscomic7586]

I think you watched the wrong video.

[@user-yu9nf8vm5e]

​@@HotBoySpicy "worst take in One Piece history", "should of been a lame theory forgotten", and "will render any theory of the raid failing as obsolete" These are all super strong statements man. I get that you may not have meant this video has an insult, but those statements made it seem that way to me. I did watch the entire video. To me, it didn't seem like you said anything so original and insightful to be so arrogant in your view. What have you said besides a synopsis of what's currently happening in the story? What am I missing here?

[@tag4253]

yes the raid didn't fail but wano is crap. Kaido never tried to break Luffy's spirit, there is no emotional investment of the characters in the conflict. Kaido sold smoke with his "until now they only played little pirate games" "when you lose the pirates will betray you" "haki is what it takes to conquer the seas" (loses with an awakened fruit) Kaido doesn't has the awakening while the impel down beasts do (stupid), Katakuri and Doflamingo had the awakening. Akainu got up after taking hits equivalent to earthquakes and after 2 chapters he was chasing after Luffy. Zoro never had a story with him in the arc nor show his leadership as he has conqueror's haki. Big meme and her crew made a fool of themselves the entire time. "the citizens of wano are pathetic" Kaido's phrase that ended up being true because the guys made wishes and never got up to fight. in the arc of "loyality", this theme was shown more in Zou which is a build up arc than in wano which is a climax arc. After all luffy's defeats there were no consequences. 0 tension 0 risk therefore 0 merit What is the difference between Luffy who failed in Marine Ford because his will was broken and this Luffy from wano who in his greatest challenge was never put to the test to show that he became a great pirate? why were the smiles never used in battle? Why didn't they show us Caesar's other weapons?