The Railway Review To The Aventra (Part 2)

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

You can watch Part 1 here in case you haven't seen it already: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pJfaoHqErrymjbM Promised I'd get this done before my little day trip, even if I'm pretty much walking out of the door to the coach station as we speak. No matter. Aventra's been reviewed now. Stop asking. Feel free to guess the exterior locales for a...hmmm, this speck of gas condensate lying on my table! That's the price today! Wooooo!

[@Itsjustesh]

Real

[@317Dan]

0:03 London Waterloo 0:09 Clapham Junction 0:36 Ashtead 1:07 Feltham Carriage Sidings 1:14 Redhill 1:15 Basingstoke 1:16 Clapham Junction 1:17 Earlesfield 2:51 Southampton Central 3:07 Twickenham 3:26 Richmond 3:45 Fenchurch Street 3:52 Harrow & Wealdstone 4:18 West Ham 4:46 Welwyn Garden City 4:53 King's Cross 6:11 London Euston 6:17 Harrow & Wealdstone 6:42 Stafford 8:44 Clapham Junction 8:52 Slough 9:01 Shenfield (RIP Sharky) 9:10 Watford Junction

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

Well done as always Dan, and rip in piece the fallen comrade, the brake van.

[@Transportationspotting]

@@317DanAgreed, RIP Sharky

[@AymanTravelTransport]

The 701 is basically the Berlin Airport of trains!

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

Not only is that a good joke, but I cannot argue or refute that. Well done, Brandenburg.

[@StagecoachLondonEnthauist]

It Is Operated By SWR.

[@SW_Sarah]

throwback to november when i broke the toilet on 730006 cause i somehow accidentally hit the alarm button coincidentally met daniel that day, genuinely chill person

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

Aww thanks and lol to the alarm antics.

[@packkeysthomasshrimpton]

To say the 701 is not an improvement over the trains it's replacing is utterly ridiculous. The only thing you seem to care about are the seats, and well I'll give that they are a very key part of the train, are not the only part of puzzle especially on a commuter train. You make no mention of the plug sockets and USB ports at every seat, the walkthrough carriages, the mini tables, better noise isolation, improved acceleration, etc etc, which none of the older fleet have. All those small things contribute to the passenger experience as well. As a commuter on SWR, it's unfortunate that we didn't receive seats similar to those on the 720s or 730s, but at the same time I'm very grateful of all the other improvements, it's such a massive step up. It could aways be better of course, but you can't say it's not a large improvement, and one I'm certainly looking forward to.

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

You know what, fair enough. I did forgot to mention some of those other additions on the 701, especially accelaration (which I was going to joke about when I was writing the script last night but forgot to add it in.) For that I'm sorry, but even then, especially after a four year delay, I exepcted alot more from these trains. I don't care much for the walkthrough coaches, especially since it's not the first SWR train to have them. I bring up seats alot in my videos because comfort is a major factor that has been treated like a joke with the railways, with every excuse thrown into the wind whenever it's brought up. If I'm going to be paying triple digits to go from London to Cardiff, I'd like some seats that have some degree of comfort in them. If not, then National Express and Megabus say hello with their dirt cheap fares + comfortable coaches. Even the 458 has nice seats. Also just to be slightly pedantic, the 458s had tables (and it's cancelled variant had additonal charging points too), the 707s had charging ports and the 450s have both of those + are pretty well refined. Only the 455 is the one that lacks all, but that's still 1 for 3.

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

Oh and I forgot to say, I really appreciate comments like this. Seriously, pointing out flaws with my points and/or contesting what I have to say prevents an echo chamber. Regardless of who sways who, I'm thankful so know that.

[@deltawasneverhere]

Yeah, you're right. While I do love the 455s (and 456s before they were scrapped), the 701 fleet will be a massive improvement.

[@PGATProductions]

@@MaverickHunterDanielW

[@packkeysthomasshrimpton]

@@MaverickHunterDaniel Thank you for taking these comments on board instead of dismissing all of them, shows that you do indeed care about what you are posting here and are willing to take a few blows for the greater good of your channel. Best of luck 👍

[@railquest]

Nice one as always, Dan! I've not been on any of these three yet though I'm hotly anticipating the 730/2s to get rid of the 350/2s. I really hope they have armrests though - WMR seem to be proving that they deny the existence of arms with both of the trains they've introduced so far...

[@andrewreynolds4949]

The strong rumor is they will have armrests, more tables and slightly wider seating space than the 730/0

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

The 350/2s are bloody horrible, but I'll withold total judgement until the 730/2s overcome their stage fright in X amount of months/years.

[@spongebot64]

"and finally give the people of Stoneleigh a train with air conditioning for once" I have been seen big time

[@Speedster-jw7qx]

8:19 just gonna look at the cab OH WAIT SHIT THERE IS A GUARD NEVERMIND

[@HAHE-mn4tu]

I realized that the aventras are basically desiro citys 2.0

[@kingallstar64]

One thing I have realized about the Aventras, is that they sound like and R179. (Probably because they both were built by Bombardier)

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

Possibly why, yeah.

[@BluestarBusExplorer]

Technically only the 720/345 and most 730s were built by Bombardier. Because of the Alstom takeover in January 2021, any train built after that point are Alstom products, as to why the 701s are called Alstom Aventras than Bombardier Aventras, although being Bombardier designed.

[@sirjack_86]

Watch them put all the 701s into service and still have no Hounslow loop service outside of peak hours only. Also for such a new train, I didn’t think the suspension on the 701 would be as miserable as it is, but there you go.

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

I feel annoyed that I keep forgetting to pay attention to the Aventra's bad suspension. I think they got me with how bad the seats are as a way of making me focus on only that! Also yes, I want my Hounslow Loop service back. Preferably within the decacde.

[@sirjack_86]

@@MaverickHunterDaniel I think for me because I’m so used to the 450s which for the most part are very smooth, I focused a lot on the suspension when I rode the 701 for the first time. The seats didn’t bother me too much surprisingly, but most of my journeys don’t exceed 30 minutes, I couldn’t ride on them for over an hour. Thank you for the follow up review by the way!

[@cam43002]

Could be worse it could be a CAF 331

[@ReecesTrains]

A 4 and a half year delay on bringing trains out is ludicrous! You'd expect a product to be delivered on time and not waiting forever for a product to be finished. The 455's probably shouldn't have been sent to the 'scrap god' until enough of the new ones were placed into service or temporarily replaced with newer rolling stock. Ugh... Ironing board seats again! Great video! I definitely got some laughs out of this!

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

Glad you enjoyed and yes, the entire process was basically wrong from every step. The 442s and 456s should've stayed intact and ONLY when the 701s are ready should they be eased into service and replaced the 455s and 456s. Even when they are all ready, the old stock should be in storage for a few months in case things go tits up, THEN scrappage if needbe. But lolno. Glad you enjoyed the video :)

[@sprinterofficial8457]

I went on the new 730 between wolverhampton and birmingham, Very quick acceleration for a train

[@JoeTW67]

hope you have a good time in brussels‼️‼️

[@720SspressoMC]

Me too!

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

Thanks :)

[@DonaldTrumpIsGreat]

Same Have a Nice Time 👍

[@mattevans4377]

I know all the old rolling stock clattering about doesn't help the image of British manufacturing, but back in the day, most of what was built was great at the time. It's running past their use by date that ruins them, and that happens to anything. Shame we seem to have forgotten how to build such stock.

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

I wouldn't even say it's a case of old age. Anything can run well past its prime as long as it's maintained and looked after. Belgium has plenty of trains and coaches from the 70s and 80s still in use today which, Switzerland has the Re 4/4 still in use since the 60s and 70s and even Amfleet coaches in America are from the 70s too.

[@TripleDoubleA]

Finally, part 2!

[@funkyhetzer6624]

The GOAT has uploaded again

[@dooto]

YES!! The legend has uploaded!

[@London-f7l]

The Legend is back

[@robbiemorrison7085]

So SWR can actually run a decent amount of coaches down to Epsom on a Sunday, sick of travelling on 4 car 455s!

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

HAHAHAHAHA I mean, yeah sure, they totally will. Just pay no attention to the 30 5 car units that totally will always be running in pairs...

[@PGATProductions]

@@MaverickHunterDaniel 5 cars were needed to fit into places like kingston bay

[@nolantherailfan5048]

Even the silverliner V's took less time to enter service than these piles of junk

[@willingshelf]

THE DAY CAME

[@thebusenthusiastperson237]

i bet the all the 701s are going to be released after GTA 6 gets released

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

Be careful what you bet on. The cold hands of fate spares no mercy on gambling ;)

[@mtr_d406]

Yessir!!!

[@andrewreynolds4949]

When I see videos of the 701 I’m always surprised by the quick acceleration. In (undefined variable) years after they all enter service I wonder if they would allow timetables to be tightened up, or if they will just keep delays down. You absolutely killed me at “smells nice”!

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

How I was not tempted to add the Spy snort in I'll never know...

[@94ToKingston-sf1xk]

I agree with your point about the acceleration wholeheartedly. I've been on one, it offers that "push back into your seat" feeling. Good to see a metro/commuter train actually be suited performance wise for what it's doing, even more impressive when you take intro consideration it being a third rail DC train. And yes hopefully the timetables can be tightened, that would be great. Although don't hold your hopes up, this is firstgroup

[@BluejayElectra]

The 701 may as well be a keter class SCP, to be locked up back in Derby to contain it

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

Nah, it's clearly a Safe class. It passes the locked box test easily and doesn't need too many resources to contain it.

[@liamavia]

PART 2 IS FINALLY HERE

[@TheTrainiac377]

The 730 and 701 in my opinion are the best types of Aventras, both got 2+2 seating, tables (which the 720s should have) and are optimised for both packed rush hour stuff and less busy services. The 730s are better though because no ironing board bullshittery and a generally better interior. Good video though lad.

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

No worries. I could agree that the 730 is the best, but the best Aventra still doesn't compare to the worst FLIRT 3.

[@TheTrainiac377]

@@MaverickHunterDanielYeah the flirts just beat any most other families of trains by miiiiles, Stadler is just good at building trains, on the majority of occasions anyways, I thinj

[@LordEverythingtrains]

Can't say that I'm suprised at any of what you said Binning the 458/4s was yet another stupid swr decision and why am i not suprised And then they wonder why they have trouble finding enough stock for an 8 car Woking - Waterloo service in the peak when they got rid of the 456s, some 455s, the 707s and about half of the 458s before the clogged artery trains entered service 🙄

[@Alex-eo9rh]

How come they are not re furbing the 458s anymore

[@andrewreynolds4949]

They are still refurbing the 458 fleet, but SWR won’t be keeping them on. Go figure

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

Which is arguably worse honestly.

[@TrainLifeGB]

2 months later the 458/4 is running metro services currently till the 701 comes in and the 458/4 can go to the Portsmouth line

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

@@TrainLifeGB The Portsmouth plans have been dropped according to SWR in May.

[@VolvoB10L]

Was gonna ride a 730 on Tuesday but i would have had to wait an hour for the train to arrive at Walsall So I got a class 350/2 back to New Street then a train from Moor Street to Solihull

[@justwobert9850]

buying aventras over something good and accessible like FLIRTs will never not be a mistake

[@FarmYardGaming]

It's like that with the IETs getting spammed into every TOC's lineup, Pendolinos seem better

[@Transport11233]

Ironing boards : Morse codes

[@williamwildcat]

Seems like every aventera is delivered late!

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

At least the lateness is consistent, so I'll give them that.

[@petitkruger2175]

what is the London North Western upcoming Aventra's replacing? I swear they only operate young desire units

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

My guess is that they'll be replacing the 350/2s and assisting the other 350s on the longer routes so that LNWR will be able to have more 8 and 12 car trains or possibly have higher frequency services. But that's just a hunch. Don't take my word on it.

[@squidgytop.2050]

Yes part 2

[@cylinder42]

does the 701 have good acceleration compared to the 455 and 458 that somehow manage to slower than my mum's clapped 1995 ford fiesta

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

Yeah, the accelaration is good on them. I didn't mention it here again because part 1 already talks about the accelaration rate.

[@LeonCornelll]

I love new train but missing old train in my line

[@Ethannnnnnnt]

I would take those ironing board seats any day of the week, where I live (Hong Kong), the seats are fucking pure metal and you never even get to sit in them because so many people use the train, were suffering from success. Also first class on the train is ironing board seating and 50% of the time you don’t get a seat, you pay a dozen extra hkd just to be forced to stand?? Ridiculous. Some people stand on the train for an hour and a half and the decent actually nice looking trains are getting replaced by monotone, ugly, uncomfortable, dull, and just straight up bad excuses of a modern train. The train length got shortened to 9 cars, from 12, the vibrant fun loving colors got replaced by grey, grey, and more grey, the first class seats got changed from passable to horrendous, and they even sound and look ass. I would gladly have ironing board seats in standard class.

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

I can only send condolences to your predicament. Goodness me that sounds horrible.

[@jasperjenkin6645]

EYYYYY 701 REVIEW, thier not as good as they should be but thier a massive fucking improvement to the 455s

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

I still think it's being treated like a "be grateful for crumbs" sort of scenario if you ask me.

[@FarmYardGaming]

YAY

[@StagecoachLondonEnthauist]

The Class 701 Have Different Lights & The Class 730 Has Different Lights That The 2024 Stock & The Class 701 Use! It Has Gangways.

[@jake_the_train_guy]

Ig this is the video you were talking about in Thursday nights stream...

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaybe...

[@StagecoachLondonEnthauist]

They Are Reliable.

[@thetrainhornmaster9439]

Also what’s the point of the tables there so small and plus the airline seats don’t have tables at all so what is the point of

[@TripleDoubleA]

Bro I can’t find a class 701 running at all

[@FarmYardGaming]

I've only managed to go on one and that was basically the week it came out.

[@michaelshields1802]

The 730 would be perfect to replace the 334 318 and 320s and keep Derby from going bust

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

I'm honestly shocked Derby hasn't sunk already.

[@Devkumar43072]

I've been on a few aventra trains but classes 345, 710 and 720 are rubbish so this brings me to the 730s these trains happen to be best train that Britain has made since the InterCity 125s they deserve a better name then Aventra.

[@legitibitmaster3264]

Ahhhh gowarn bravo the og Siri ❤️

[@bb-3653]

The class 730/0 is overall better. Additionally the motors sound better than the other aventras.

[@720SspressoMC]

Enjoy your travel just like I did this video

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

I shall, thanks!

[@christopherli135]

Review the Class 450 it would be great to compare it to the 701.

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

Nothing kills a smile on my face faster than ungratefulness.

[@TrainLifeGB]

How about you give maverick a please. Have you ever heard of manners? It’s a great thing.

[@TrainLifeGB]

​@@MaverickHunterDaniel agreed people most of the days are ungrateful for what they get, all you get is: Oh I want that, oh no remake that, oh wait but it didn't include that, I wish these people kept to themselves

[@ClassOneThousand]

I mean you kinda listened… but couldn’t you’ve made the Aventra Part 1 a bit later you could’ve made one SUPER video…

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

Oh for goodness sake, part one, which wasn't originally called part one by the way, was made because I was fed up of waiting for the 701 and 730s to enter service. Both videos have links to their respective parts and I'm perfectly fine with how I've done it here. Please take your ungratefulness elsewhere.

[@ClassOneThousand]

⁠@@MaverickHunterDaniel No. Seriously the 701 was delayed like an Exaanum to come so sorry man. Patience is a hard skill.

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

@@ClassOneThousand So what do you want? The video to be remade because you're too lazy to watch part one? Again, take your ungratefulness elsewhere and don't lecture me about paitence when I already have an infrequent uploading schedule.

[@ClassOneThousand]

Erm, actually your upload schedule is only 4 days 🤓

[@TrainLifeGB]

@@ClassOneThousanddude just shut up and stop being ungrateful! Just be grateful he even made these 2 parts! And stop being a smartass

[@TransportVideosIreIand]

I will say this if only the 720s had 2 + 2 seating and it was 4, 8 and 12 coaches long they would have been far better then what they are the 701s are something else 730... Postbox Syndrome

[@andrewreynolds4949]

I don’t think the length is that much of a problem, mostly the 3+2 seating. The length of 2 Aventras equals the length of 3 older 4-car sets; also it can’t be short formed as badly now

[@R162A-1-train]

What do you use to generate the TTS? I’m gonna make my own series on the same thing

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

I'd instead recommend being more original since you won't get any support from being the 4th copycat.

[@R162A-1-train]

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[@ThatBritishPlusTuber]

730!