The RBS 70 Next Generation Air Defense System | UNJAMMABLE MISSILE? 🚀

[@_Matsimus_]

What would missile air defence system would you want protecting your air space? Let me know what and why! Also do you think this missile is truly 'unjammable'? Let me know 🙂

[@TimothySielbeck]

DIVADS!!! Love to hear it go Brrrrrrrt!!!

[@dathommy991]

Gepard...

[@RomanHistoryFan476AD]

A range of several different systems to cover short, medium and long distance. Sadly though knowing the UK MOD, they will cheap out and only buy one poor system that don't work.

[@RiderOftheNorth1968]

Shotgun! Keeping them crows of mi crops!!! 😂

[@Eyeless_Camper]

May not be very well known by i quite fancy RBS 23 Bamse.

[@Swiftsword-]

The interesting part is that suddenly everyone starts to realize what the Swedish weapon industry is capable of. Like it's a big surprise. Rbs-70 was developed in the early 1970-ish and enterd service in 1977. It's been regularly upgraded, will be more upgraded in the near future and is extremely capable. Aircraft, vehicles, ships whatever. Send a rbs70 and watch your problem disappear.

[@TheInfidel_SlavaUA]

What is this weapon good for? Its range is not high enough for a stand off air defense, its target aquisition time is glacially slow for a short reaction shot (so you pretty much have to aquire any target at max range of sensor and be ready, quick reaction shots no way), its bulky and weighs 120 kg plus extra missiles, it missile costs 10x more than a stinger its base launcher cost over 3 million, you require highly trained operators, you cant easily get this into a trench or a dugout. In the end you put this on a fragmentation protected vehicle and become a massive drone magnet...using this in the open in a treeline? lol reality check needed. Just look at Ukraine what happens if you sit out in the open ANYWHERE, you are basically dead already..even in a trench its game over if FPVs come in. This thing will not get a fpv drone with a clutch shot cuz it takes forever to lock on...and if you do .. the 2nd or 3rd one will get you cuz you are out of ammo. $500 to kill 3.5 mill system. Btw LASER sounds good until you realize you need Line of Sight for it and no terrain obstructions.

[@niklasolsson-wv9eu]

@@TheInfidel_SlavaUA Small enough to be everywhere and impossible to jam = kill every time.

[@ollep9142]

@@TheInfidel_SlavaUA I'm far from an expert, but here's my take at your questions: 1. Aquisition time. Shouldn't differ from any other stand-alone systems. The team can get information about approaching enemy aircraft from other sources and then be searching in the right direction. 2. Heavy and bulky. Compared to actual MANPADs, I agree, that's not the intended use. It's significantly lighter and more portable than competing systems. 3. Costs. Compared to competing systems (not MANPADs) these aren't that expensive, and even compared to Stingers the difference is less if you take into consideration the number of missiles required to score a hit. (I am aware that a missile only has to be threatening enough to cause the pilot to evade it instead of attacking his intended target to be successful. Drones that don't disengage must be shot down.) The big savings are in (mostly peacetime) training, where you essentially never need to fire a full scale missile. 4. Require highly trained operators. Require more training than an AT-4, but it *is* designed for use by conscripts that only get a few months of low intensity education and training on the system. I bet many other SAM systems are far more complicated to handle. 5. Deployment/protection. Not much different than most other SAM systems, with the difference that thanks to its portability this system can be set up at locations where ground vehicles can't go and therefore the enemy is less likely to look for it. As you say: "Just look at Ukraine...". The Ukrainians want *more* of these, because they do work!

[@TzunSu]

Entered service in 1977, exited service in the 2000s. The idea was that it would be replaced by more modern systems, but those were never bought in any significant numbers, and brought back in service recently to fill that gap. The thinking was probably that it was useless against modern fixed wing threats, which it is, but that's not the role it's intended for today but rather helicopter defense and deterrence.

[@constantinemouad2782]

- I think that this system will not find a place on the battlefields - The reason, in my opinion, is that it is too heavy to be a shoulder-mounted air defense system, and it lacks mobility, the ability to move, and speed in shooting. If it is used as a vehicle-mounted air defense system, it is considered somewhat short-lived

[@araxonUK]

Nice to see that most of the presentation videos are from Czech Army. RBS 70 is one of the systems which show clear advantages against other systems reviewed for Czech Army requirements. Generally, Swedish systems in Czech Army have great reputation for being extremely reliable. Could be related to Swedish conscript based military doctrine where systems must be build that minimum training is required to operate it effectively.

[@nubbetudde8922]

Not only that, it also needs to survive the abuse that a bunch of 18 years old guys, who don't think there will be a war, can dish out.

[@Emperorvalse]

It's a great system. Large for a ManPAD but very capable and the IFF is invaluable.

[@dovydaskaminskas4227]

Some + and - of RBS70. + Unjammable, unless you have a way to blind the operator. + Smokeless. For example Stinker (Stinger missile) leaves a trail of smoke behind. But RBS doesn't. Targets would not understand what hit them and from where. + Options for direct hit or proximity fuse, and some other gadgets. - Bulky. Needs 3 man to carry and operate it. - Difficult to master, takes a lot of training. When you can train a manpad guy in several weeks, RBS takes months. - The missile control laser alerts fighter plane pilots.

[@ljubomirculibrk4097]

And lights up on IR drone cameras, just asking to be shot at... It whoud be beter whit larger missile and stronger laser on a wheicle, shoot and scoot.

[@Perisa79]

It has a feature that IF it gets jammed, then it changes the target and go straight for the jamming...

[@dovydaskaminskas4227]

@@Perisa79 you are mistaking it with a radar guided missiles like AIM-120 that has home on jam capabilities. This one is optically guided, optical EW almost nonexistent.

[@Fatallydisorganized]

@@dovydaskaminskas4227 but active dazzlers are very much real and extremely effective at blinding imaging systems like those used on this system.

[@miloe436]

In wartime the training is usually cut down drastically. Pretty sure the ukrainians only get to train with a stinger for a day before they are handed one. You only need 2-3 days to learn the RBS-70, it's a pretty easy system. You train in simulators for most of the time. Then hands on training with assembly of the unit.

[@Chiller11]

For a country whose last real war was in 1814 Sweden certainly makes effective tools for other nations’ wars.

[@Mahasa99]

We have these tools to NOT get in trouble, unlike some other countries… 🇸🇪

[@Merecir]

The purpose of a nations' defense is to prevent the potential attacker from attacking in the first place. And according to that metric; the Swedish defense industry has a 100% success rate.

[@readhistory2023]

@@Mahasa99 I remember how the brave Swedes stood up to the Naziz in WW2. Oh that's right. That never happened.

[@bodan1196]

​@@readhistory2023 I take it that your tagname is satirical. Just as flatearthers state; "do your own research"? Though I do wonder at times if they are not unintentionally satirical. Having taken up arms against the early "reich", would have been a self sacrifies with no positive effect. Quite the contrary. Had Sweden been invaded, Germany would have had full access to the iron ore of the north. As it were handled, the supply could be cut at the most effectful time. Taking up arms against the withering "reich" later, would have been just as distasteful as valor theft. Denying ore to the Nazis, and supplying intelligence to the Allies, were necessary for the right outcome, but still bending the terms of neutrality. There are more ways to fight than with a weapon in hand. Ask Gandi. (Perhaps not about _actual_ sleeping partners though.) "Winning a war is one thing. Winning a peace another. That usually requires the help of a third neutral part." Which is why Sweden joining NATO, however necessary to show closed ranks against Putin, (not Russia), have shifted the balance towards war, not away from it. There are now no sane people that all involved parties will listen to reasoning from. Hmm, this sounds a bit familiar... have Sweden now done against Putin, what you wanted Sweden to have done against Hitler and his murderous following? I guess we will see.

[@gonace]

@@readhistory2023 Please don't hang in the comment section of any website after doing heavy drugs, thanks!

[@carlcramer9269]

SAAB relatively recently absorbed Bofors, which made famous anti-air guns during WWII. So there is a lot of tradition behind SAAB.

[@captainbuggernut9565]

Bofors was bought by United Defence Industries, who in turn were bought by BAE. The tubed artillery interests like Archer are owned by BAE. While some of the missile interests are owned by Saab.

[@TzunSu]

"Relatively recently?" BAE bought UDI and and thereby Bofors 24 years ago lol. Ironically enough Bofors founded SAAB, in the 1930s. Now both are owned by the same company, neither of which is really SAAB nor Bofors.

[@meanmanturbo]

@@TzunSu SAAB bought Bofors in 2000 and sold the gun/artillery part to UDI, but SAAB kept the missile part of Bofors which is now called SAAB dynamics. And BAE had sold of its final stake in SAAB in 2010 leaving Swedish holding company Investor AB as the biggest shareholder.

[@wavesofgreen]

I love that you keep going. Such a good Canadian you show us the truth and gear that is needed in this time of war. Keep up the great work!

[@guymarcgagne7630]

You more than hold your own as a blogger/commentator - you thread the line rather nicely for a reservist worrying about the SOPs/perceptions! Kudos lad. Be well and stay safe

[@petersanderson8307]

Thanks!

[@_Matsimus_]

Thank you so much for the super chat!! ❤😮

[@mr.normalguy69]

Might as well make a video on the Startstreak MANPAD then, not only it's effective against air targets but also against lightly armored vehicles.

[@ghansu]

Against lighlty armored vechiles that missile has that shaped charge warhead instead of just proxy fuse and explosives to spread those tungsten pellets around a tarkget.

[@errornamenotfound2513]

​@@ghansu nah, starstreaks don't use shape charge warhead. It kinetically penetrates the target then explodes inside of it

[@Abjor]

@@errornamenotfound2513 I think he meant the RBS 70NG's BOLIDE missile which has just that, a shaped charge warhead to be armor piercing if needed, there's even a part in the current video showing it but matsimus is talking over it at 6:05

[@errornamenotfound2513]

@@Abjor I mean it was really confusing as he said "that missile has shaped charge warhead instead of proxy fuse" which is weird as it RBS70 has both shape charge and proximity fuse

[@Zoroff74]

@@Abjor - It is mentioned at 10:03

[@thomaseriksson6256]

Can you comment on Bamse The RBS 23, designated BAMSE (Bofors Advanced Missile System Evaluation)

[@olekzajac5948]

I like the RBS 70, though I prefer it in its vehicle-mounted configuration. As for my favorite air defense system, it's probably the Piorun as it's the best true MANPADS available on the market currently. All the other shoulder-launched systems are either obsolete, like the Stinger, or a heavy and rather bulky adaptation of a tripod mounted system (some people call them CREWPADS, I like that name), like shoulder-launched versions of the Sungur or Starstreak. Whereas with the Piorun you get 6.5 km of range and a very flare-resistant seeker in a small package that can be mounted on vehicles but also carried and used effectively by a single soldier.

[@johanmetreus1268]

I like the term CEPADS

[@CharliMorganMusic]

I was a Marine stinger gunner, so it's my favorite. The thing is just so goddamn simple. You can teach someone how to operate it in a day, easily.

[@Detvanliga]

I was trained on it, back in the days in Sweden. First of you, back then at least, needed Freon to cool the sight. And we needed a lot of batteries. Maybe they have managed to get away with that? Secondly there was lots of electronics, among which was a thick cable running to the data unit, which we managed to run over several times. If that cable was damaged, nothing worked. But we were also connected to "the Giraffe" radar system. Now, the RBS70 seems to be sold as a stand alone system, is that correct? What I am trying to say is that back then the system was quite fragile and needed a lot of stuff to work. .

[@Sir_Godz]

seems like a good high tech solution for us but i still would like to see the polish stinger in the inventory on mass as well. Its small enough to be a standard loadout weapon in lavs and other scout level groups that have access to carl g's and alike

[@TotalRookie_LV]

Canadian troops are stationed in Latvia as a part of Enhanced Forward Presence Battle Group. And Latvia does have RBS 70 missiles in it's arsenal, which might be a coincidence. XD I'm a civilian, but I've been I RBS 70 operators seat once - back in 2015, when Latvian army had one of those regular.. conventions (?) demonstrating the equipment they have. Had "Stingers" too, but gave all of their stock to Ukraine in 2022, maybe by now the arsenal is somewhat replenished, I don't know.

[@rikulappi9664]

My favorite is the old Gepard. The timed ammo just makes it effective against all kinds of targets, flying or on the ground.

[@unrealassasination]

It uses a proximity fuse.

[@xmeda]

Yes, Lancets like them too. Easy targets.

[@tomgoff7887]

@@xmeda They have only hit one Gepard ... and didn't destroy it,

[@jnievele]

​@@unrealassasinationNo, the Gepard ammo doesn't have proximity fuses, the HEI rounds have impact fuses and a safety timer to self-destruct if they miss.

[@OlleSundblad]

Comparing a Gepard with RBS70 is like comparing a Leopard 2 tank with a M16 rifle 😂

[@tcntad87]

I see RBS70, I click like😏

[@hellmalm]

We here in Sweden have had a strong motivator to develop cost effective solution to the Russian problem, this is a classic weapon with its origin in the Cold War arms race. Saab has as alway refined and perfected it over time adding modern technology when it has come available. All most the RBS systems (RBS 17, 70 and soon 15) is now actively used in Ukraine doing what they were designed to do, namely repel Russians. The 70 in particular has proven most effective against the Kamov Ka-50. The system is also multi-capable (yes, you can use it against MBT as well) the for a round is about $100,000 compared to $176,000 for a FGM-148 Javelin. I don't think that's too bad for a country with 10 million inhabitants.

[@StoneCresent]

Is that an RBS 70 launcher mounted on a VCR at 5:34? I know of three military that use both: Argentina, Mexico, and the UAE.

[@Alex-oc2vi]

Seems like my country(Sweden) might be getting Saabs "new" system, the vehicle mounted shorad version of this in addition to the MANPAD that is in the inventory now, would be mounted on BV 410, at least according to the FMVs(Defence material administration) recent news article. I don't really have a favorite, because I don't know enough about this, but it seems like IRIS-T has performed well in Ukraine, Sweden got the short range IrIS-T SAM, also mounted on BVs, but I wouldn't mind seeing the SLM(or long-range?) in our Armed Forces, the missiles are a lot more affordable than e.g Patriot(Patriot got longer range though, I know), so it would be a much more sustainable way to defend against mass missile attacks like those Ukraine face. For the mass attacks from moped drones(Shaheds or whatever they are called) one would probably want a reliable anti-aircraft gun for kenetic defense(EW systems might work to, or a combination)because it makes sense economically, like naval guns or autocannons but vehicle mounted for mobility, e.g the CV90 SPAAG we have some of already.

[@dmacpher]

Unfortunate about ADATs inclement weather performance - it had so much promise. I think we should adopt the Oerlikon skynex system for SRAD considering drone lessons from Ukraine

[@christopher9000p]

We are already getting these for our troops in Latvia.

[@JasonCummer]

Nice to see a Canadian channel doing these kinds of videos

[@DeNihility]

Last I heard, our "Air Defense" in Canada consisted of a C6 GMPG pointed upwards. Not sure how true that is, but I heard it from some Service members. 😅

[@stefangidlund9871]

I did my military service in Sweden with this system. Very good manpad, easy to use .

[@Detvanliga]

Lv4? :)

[@dawsonsmyth8800]

Thales Martlet shoulder launched anti air missile has been used successfully in Ukraine for over a year. Uses the same guidance as RBS but can be shoulder fired, tripod mounted or fired from the Stormed vehicle.

[@darkhorseman8263]

Me: logs into youtube. KZbin suggestions: whats your favorite anti aircraft system?

[@ph11p3540]

An AEGIS destroyer with a huge VLS magazine of Standard missiles like the US Navy Arleigh Burke, or better yet, Japanese Maya destroyer

[@sebekglab]

Polish GROM/PIORUN . Due to clever algorithm programming it will ignore any flares and head straight for aircraft or helicopter. Only defence for target is to pr-flare before being shot at. And that could be difficult if not impossible to do.

[@rursus8354]

4:24: for your information: quantum leaps are really really small: they are about 1/100000000000000000000000000000000 mm.

[@BluegrassKnight]

I'm also a big fan of Stingers, though I like them in the Avenger turret system, I believe that setup is very capable and while I know it's not technically an anti-air system, I really like the Javelin system, as well I think an upgraded version with extended range and more anti-air capability would be very useful!

[@darkiee69]

I did my military service on rbs70 and would love to try the NG system. The old system was daylight only, bad weather = stay in the tent and sleep it out. It was great at defending our dispersed airbases and along planned convoy routes where groups could leap frog along the route.

[@jakubpipek2266]

The cheapest most effective system is always the best. To sophisticated = too expensive, too simple = not effective. It depends on what you want to countermeasure.

[@custardthepipecat6584]

Thanks for your upload Mate 🐈🦘🍻🤘

[@petergerdes1094]

TBF it is essentially unjammable in the sense of disruption by other controlled transmitters. However, I wonder if you could create some kind of special smoke or particulates to protect the target. For instance, if you disperse some kind of microprisms in the air that deflect the laser beam substantially in a consistent direction you could send it off target. (I mean any highly refractive substance will deflect the beam but you need to be able to do that to a substantial degree with a low concentration of particulates)

[@staffanemren]

It's a beam rider, so you need to get the particles between the missile and the operator. The sensors reading the laser beam is at the back of the missile.

[@petergerdes1094]

@@staffanemren yah seems unworkable in the time frame available

[@kaf2303]

Nice review! Saab makes excellent products! I wonder with the advent of swarming drones if someone is designing a small emp man pad to knock out a swarm.

[@marcchuck-you-farleytrembl2145]

Sounds like a good honest and capable system, perfect for Canada!

[@Turn-the-light-off]

Matt may someone up there grant you your wish. Question how did your course turn out? Did you have a great time?

[@Sufferingzify]

So its SACLOS guided, like the Kornet? With a more modern missile?

[@fmodin1]

RBS 70 is my favourite. It is possible that I am biased because I am from Sweden.

[@nebakanezer47]

I remember my time in the Marines in North Carolina. It was a Saturday, and I was going to the beach on base to do some surfing. When I got there, the beach was closed and said they were doing weapons testing. They had a quad running up and down the shoreline, picking up UAV debris. Not long hear the distinct missile sound streaking across the sky and hitting another UAV. the stinger is just so cool, lol.

[@SteelbeastsCavalry]

The 2S6 and the SA-15 are both 2 systems I highly respect.

[@jdogdarkness]

Problem with RBS is it isn't fire & forget & pretty much requires a stationary platform, at least a stand. Also, if there is low visibility, your SOL. Clouds, dense fog, etc.

[@mrbaab5932]

So, it is difficult to jam the missile directly, but the control system that is tracking the target can be jammed if it is radar, IR or laser tracking. It is tougher to jam the control system because it is farther away than the missile. Infrared is harder to jam than radar but not impossible, if you know the thermal band used. If the jet plume is being tracked it is very hard to jam the tracker since the plume is so bright.

[@chrissmith2114]

UK Starstreak manpads also Have unjammable laser guidance, and are fitted to American helicopters for air defence. These are mach 3+ capable. There is also a cheaper Martlet manpad fired from same system. Martlet also good for air to ground for moving targets

[@astrosfox6911]

In the Brazilian Army we do use the RBS-70. I had the oportunit to test its simulator a few times when I visited some anti air artillery batteries. And I have to say, it's hard to hit the target on your first try. But after some pratice, I was able to propelly hit some targets. My regards Matsimus (From another artillery man)

[@honkhonk8009]

Man I really wish we Canadians would develop our own missile systems. We litterally have our neighbour America, that can help out. It would be way better for our economy if we did that aswell. It would be a fun project for Universities like SFU and UBC to engage in and stuff.

[@scottsauritch3216]

My favorite anti-aircraft missile system is the SM/Standard-Missile series! By far the most capable and versatile missile system(with AEGIS guidance of course..!) that has protected literally the most valuable vessels the world has ever seen, and done so without fail its entire 40+ year career..! Not only does it shoot down any air breathing aircraft that's coming its way, it can shoot down drones and not only tactical ballistic missiles, but intercontinental ballistic missiles with certain variants as well! Not to mention SM-6 can shoot at ships as well! As for the stinger, US Army and Marine corps are officially beginning of competition for the replacement. It was under the M-SHORAD Inc.3, but is now officially a next gen MANPADS competition...

[@JCtheMusicMan_]

Imagine if they incorporated VR goggles for an AR targeting overlay! ❤

[@RTmadnesstoo]

I'm sure this is a very good system for all the reasons you stated but I just like the Gepard system. It could be upgraded so easily to add a couple missiles for highspeed aircraft but I think nothing would be better taking on a drone swarm. It could be setup for dual ammo to take on IFVs and ground targets. Nothing like being able to get out of the weather when having to stay at a location like guarding a power station. The radar could link with others to augment the 'Big Picture'. They can change stations quickly on multiple terrains, etc. Eventually, guns will be replaced with energy weapons and I don't understand why we don't see them being tested in Ukraine right now.

[@janp5775]

My favorite air defense weapon is the Barrage balloon from World War II

[@errornamenotfound2513]

Mine would the the Stormer HVM as it's the most unique SPAA in the world. Its pretty common nowadays to have SAMs that is IR,RADAR or even SACLOS Guided with proximity fuse, but have you even heard about a SAM that fires 3 Armor piercing high explosive darts to kill air and ground targets?

[@jaymacpherson8167]

Stinger is my fav as I knew the rocket motor’s designer, and was aware of the design early in development.

[@lipgloss202]

Is there any modern anti drone systems? That can cheaply shoot down cheap drones?

[@BoraHorzaGobuchul]

Most AAA can shoot them down rather cheaply (Gepard/Shilka/R2D2/etc). Manpads, too, though more expensive per shot. There's EW weapons to jam drones (efficiency obviously heavily dependent on drone type/ capabilities). DEWs are obviously most promising in cost-per-shot but still in development/testing.

[@--Dani]

Stinger for sure #1, then watching Iron Dome in action a while ago in Israel was impressive. 👍

[@Smokeisprogress]

I would be so interested in seeing the list pricing on a system & service like that. 👍

[@texasranger24]

What i would love to see is the Stinger replacement. A more modern and most importantly more affordable anti air missile produced for all Nato countries in such massive numbers that supply is secure and low cost due to economy of scale is plausible.

[@krispayne729]

I guess the Canadian military is going to be getting new 5-ton trucks from Mercedes-Benz defense in the Mercedes G Wagon is supposed to be replaced sometime in the next few years I think there's a deal with GM defense on that one

[@mercAltiar]

Huh funny how we went from the Javelin back to another SACLOS system. Wonder what the reasons were to take a line of sight system over a F&F system like the Stinger/Mistral. If I were to guess it would be unit costs being lower on SACLOS vs Infared.

[@znail4675]

RBS 70 is not SACLOS it's LOSBR and it's even simpler and cheaper then SACLOS for missile construction.

[@guyb7995]

I am not sure a 'deploy' time of 30 sec is much of an advantage, we are seeing aircraft come and go in less than 5 seconds in UA. What I want to see is 'loiter time' (how long can it remained powered up and looking for targets) & how long from powered down to target acquisition? PS Stinger is the OG :)

[@dnservice]

The range of RBS70 is 9 km, an object traveling that distance in 5 s, has a speed over 6000 km/h… not likely.

[@guyb7995]

@@dnservice You make the assumption that you can see the object at 9km. The range of the weapon is maximum 9km, not always 9km. The range of the RBS is only as far as you can see the target, up to 9km. 9km is irrelevant when the target is travelling just above tree tops and passed by you in a few seconds disheartening over the next tree line.

[@darkiee69]

It can be on standby 24/7, if the batteries run low you just replace them, it takes about 30 seconds. It doesn't use any power unless activated, and it takes about 1 second from activation until ready to fire.

[@guyb7995]

@@darkiee69 sounds good if true.

[@MaxwellAerialPhotography]

the background music makes it sound like you about to outwit multiple gallic armies by building walls of circumvolution and contravallation.

[@philchristmas4071]

Just watched a video of another Ukrainian knocking down a cruise missile with a stinger. Also a M2 50 knocking one down too. The Ukrainians are quite resourceful.

[@kosher4418]

Look at how the X-101 attacks the Dneproges by throwing flares

[@hansericsson7058]

This was around when i was in the millitary in the 80s so its been around a while

[@SonsOfLorgar]

Principle is the same, but the electronics and avionics has been upgraded a lot since.

[@gwarne2304]

i always had a fascination with ADATS

[@bert26a]

It was a good system but Canada was the only serious user and it never got any further investment or upgrades which is so typical of our government and Defence Procurement policies.

[@andreww1225]

Canada needs to start paying their 2% or they won’t stop anything

[@stevespray7139]

I know that much of the press coverage of Ukraine’s air defense has been about the Patriot system. My question is about another system the Ukraine was given and that is the older HAWK air defense missile system. I did hear that Spain provided several batteries but I have not heard that it has even been used

[@michaelpettersson6028]

We use hawk in sweden where it’s called ”Robotsystem 97”. We have provided Ukraine with them.

[@smoofbrain]

​@@michaelpettersson6028 Hmm, I wanna recall reading an article a few years ago about Sweden acquiring Patriots. (after some digging around) _"Sweden becomes first non-NATO partner with Patriot"_ - army,mil (website) November 23, 2021 So, I guess you're using both HAWK and Patriot now🤔?

[@michaelpettersson6028]

@@smoofbrain yes plus some otner systems.

[@haakonsteinsvaag]

The main problem with this system is that it is not very portable, and you have to hold your target in your sight for the entire flight time, so you can not shoot and scoot. About 30 sek. to deploy and then a few extra seconds to track a target is not good if you have to do it in the field. A plane, missile and some drones can move pretty far in that time. It could work very well protecting stationary targets like buildings and field camps.

[@davidpowelson4817]

It's old and retired but I was a fan of the Bradley Linebacker!

[@Mwahaha105]

The Irish Defense Forces have this. 😌 Btw, when will you have your next stream? I have some questions about joining artillery reserves

[@jannek5757]

Interesting stuff, thanks!

[@disposablehero4911]

Dollar for dollar, what the soviets did with the zsu 23/4 was incredible imo.

[@mattheide2775]

Can it hit a small drone? This particular platform took at least a decade from concept to implementation and UAV drones are the future of air dominance. Just saying artillery will always be the king of battle ❤

[@michaelpettersson4919]

Drones are eyes for that artillery. And there is a need to hunt down the enemy's drones of that reason. I suppose that interceptor drones are in the works or already exist. Something cheap, preferably reusable, to hunt the enemy's drones.

[@dnservice]

It can hit drones, SAAB`s Mshorad is based on RBS70.

[@Alex-oc2vi]

It can hit drones, but it's probably not the solution when it comes to all these cheap mass produced ones, it would be too expensive, but against e.g ISR drones, that is larger, more expensive drones that can be on station over a battlefield for hours upon hours it would be fine, seen videos from Ukraine(47th Brigade) shoot down such drones with it.

[@darkiee69]

Well, it's been in service for 47 years by now in different generations, so I'd say it's pretty well implemented.

[@michaelpettersson4919]

@@Alex-oc2vi For cheat drone hunting we could perhaps use armed interceptor drones. Not drones that make a suicide attack on the enemy but drones that actually shoot down, or bomb then enemy drone. I suppose that dropping wires on their rotors also work.

[@podmember]

My favorite AA-gun is the one that the Americans had during the Vietnam War that kept locking onto latrines. Hell of a gun; wish they were still in service.

[@ianbell5611]

Great video

[@stuartb9194]

Deadly against orange attack cones

[@AmvC]

Manpads are the best ground-to-air superiority solution. You don't need mechanics, oil, fuel - all you need is to produce the System and the Missile and to train 3 men/women in order to operate/handling/maintaining them. With every other solution, you need massive amounts of material and lots of people in order to operate/maintain them. I bet you can strap the parts onto 3 cargobikes and go fast to where ever needed.

[@erikeng6592]

Pricevise you would have a hard time paying for the live round. There is a simulator for it though that rbsgunners get to train on.

[@mixmashandtinker3266]

Take a look at RBS-90 as well.

[@darkiee69]

Have they reactivated the rbs-90? It was canceled after 2004.

[@Lixtrim]

They usally have these set up att events around the country when they are promoting the swedish army. When we were in like 5th grade or soemthing we had field trip to KA 2 and we got to sit and aim with it :D Also they had a small air show for us. That would probably not happen today hehe

[@hangemhigh7069]

SAAB ON THE TOP!❤

[@Apeshaft]

Looks a bit like "Captain K" from Jojo Rabbit at the 11:40 mark... Captain K, Woooooo!

[@stupidburp]

Okay for vehicle mounting but too bulky for dismounted use. Modern battlefield is transparent and you need to stay mobile or under cover. Also overkill and overcost for the most common targets which are now small drones. Has high capability but not handy enough or cheap enough.

[@stupidburp]

Video shows 26 second setup time which is about 23 seconds too long.

[@LazySeabear]

What happened to RBS90?

[@provetamin]

retired then activated again after russian invasion of ukraine. there are shitloads of systems with radars and vehicles etc but no soldiers to man them.

[@mixmashandtinker3266]

@matsimus Check with a regiment who uses them. There is a simulator system to train on. A complete pedestal and electronics They might give you a go….

[@84erElessar]

Suddenly beam riders are interesting again? Holy Moly! We had the most capable systems in NATO (Roland, ADATS, Crotale, Rapier) but because either they were old or expensive lots of them were scrapped. And now RBS70 is some magic missile? :D

[@provetamin]

it's because of the russians electronic weapons systems. they are able to jam radars and gps etc. this system was desigmed with that in mind.

[@woltews]

Pleas explain how the RBS70 can remain functioning fog , night , decoy rich environments ?

[@theCombatWombat-1]

Targeting system has IR/Thermal capabilities, and human in the loop to distinguish between target and decoy.

[@woltews]

IR + thermal is the same under a flair and a human eye is useless in dark or fog or dark . wake up and smell the 1970's I can launch 500 drones for the cost of one of these missiles and I will if the money is wright . Do you really think the enemy will never attack at night or in bad weather or use decoys ? @@theCombatWombat-1

[@znail4675]

@@theCombatWombat-1 It can also be Radar controlled.

[@theCombatWombat-1]

@@znail4675 is that how the NG has improved? Previously the radar was for slewing the operator onto target.

[@znail4675]

@@theCombatWombat-1 There is some version that can do it. but no idea which one as it's a bit of a jungle with RBS 70,.NG, RBS 90, MSHORAD etc.

[@deesmith6363]

In the game of counter/ countermeasure, never say die.

[@DomenicNicosia-bs8qd]

Ukraine needs a whole bunch of theses ASAP

[@provetamin]

they have but part of the deal is that the ukrainians isn't allowed show any 'kills' made by swedish weapon systems.

[@DaweSMF]

Big boy for manpad, not as much the tube itself but the computer. I wouldnt want to haul it around, i tell you that much. Just the part when the team asembles it, seems like you need quite some time to get it ready. Seems like luxury you dont need to have, cool if you have other AA but since you mentioned Canada lacks manpads, to me its obvious flaw.

[@NotASeriousMoose]

Deployment time 45 sec Reload in 5 sec And you hit what you point it at, always. A luxury you want during war.

[@DaweSMF]

@@NotASeriousMoose Looked much more dramatic than it really is. Its just that you need whole team of people, its not really for one dude from lets say recon team to haul this around and have let say anti-helicopter capability. You need dedicated team with dedicated vehicle so if those guys go missing or make wrong turn for some reason, you are without AA. I dont say its not good system, i say its system you need to build around, not just tick box "manpads... check". Canadians probably know this but it was worth for me to point this out since i find it quite important if its the only manpad available.

[@darkiee69]

It's not a computer, just a sight system with the laser emitter.

[@DaweSMF]

@@darkiee69 Not computer? So you wanna tell me this is just oversized sight with laser emitter? Allow me to be suspicious. The enormous size suggests to me there is more than just that, at least some kinda chip that will allow this optical aand laser emmiterto cooperate. In that case its computer, doesnt matter if you say its just "sight with laser emmiter", its computer computing data.

[@darkiee69]

@@DaweSMF They're linked, but the old fashioned way, hall sensors and servos. No computer needed. Once you press fire you're the one in control. All you have to do is to keep the crosshair on the target and follow it. Humans in charge, not computers.

[@gshadura]

Ukraine is just right place to test it in action. Especially against middle sized surveillance UAVs. Any weapon is welcomed

[@JMA5566]

They have it in Ukraine already

[@SonsOfLorgar]

It turns out the RBS-70 is very good at Alligator hunting, especially the Muskovite kind😂

[@AlexKall]

@@JMA5566 not the NG as far as I know.

[@JMA5566]

@@AlexKall Who knows… if they are smart they don’t tell

[@provetamin]

​@@JMA5566they are not allowed to tell. thats why you hardly see any swedish systems on tiktok or youtube telegram or whatever.

[@swenic]

youre doin good. don't apologise for not creating content.

[@petter5721]

SAAB are selling a lot of these systems today. Sweden just ordered some vehicles mounted systems for trials.

[@jonnyhjalmarsson9057]

Mshorad

[@jagx234]

LAV-AD rules against aircraft, light armor, infantry, and whatever building needs ventilated/gone. You could make an argument for the Gepard(now Ozelot) or Tunguska, but there's nothing quite like a rotary cannon!

[@einar8019]

the lvkv9040 can do all that but also kill MBT's from the side

[@paladin0654]

Canada can certainly use something, this might fit into your Army's doctrine. However, for me it's too big, too heavy, requires too many soldiers, not very mobile, requires launcher to track target and while the missile can't be jammed, the launcher can, the launcher can be detected and the system is expensive: 3M Euros for RBS 70; $120K per Stinger Missile.

[@provetamin]

yeah but look how effective the russians electronic warfare is. they are able to jam radars and gps etc

[@gradientascent4218]

My favorite is Gepard.

[@williamzk9083]

In theory the the laser beam that the missile rides could be tracked and a powerful dazzler sent to blind the operator or the optics directed back. There can be precaution such as offsetting the beam slightly before impact.

[@whitescar2]

Most laser sights come with eye guards against that. If you're using magnified optics and laser range-finders, even if you can't see the beam, it is still reflecting (that's who the device works) so it's got to be shielded against itself. I also don't think you can "send it back" because the missile is flying in one direction, following the reflection of the aiming beam off the aircraft. So if the aircraft were to fire a counter-beam at the missile sensor, it would just reinforce the target lock (unless it could blow out the sensor, in which case that's more a directed energy weapon than countermeasure). From the missile's point of view, it *is* flying towards the "emitter". Adding a stronger emitter wouldn't really help. And because the seeker FOV is so limited, it won't see any reflection the aircraft may be generating on the ground station, so it won't be fooled by that either.

[@zhufortheimpaler4041]

@@whitescar2 Dazzlers are not for blinding the "gunner" but for disorienting the missile. But mounting dazzlers on aircraft is less than practical.

[@whitescar2]

@@zhufortheimpaler4041 True, but the OP did mention dazzling the operator, hence also mentioned.

[@idomaghic]

@@whitescar2 "the missile is flying in one direction, following the reflection of the aiming beam off the aircraft" this isn't how the RBS70 works, and that is precisely why it is called "unjammable"; it's sensor is actually in the *back* of the missile, facing the gunner, and tracks the laser "tunnel" emitted by the launchpad. In practice, the only way to "jam" it is therefore to either take out the gunner before the missile reaches you, or be next to the gunner and emit a competing laser tunnel.

[@SonsOfLorgar]

​@@zhufortheimpaler4041 how would a missile following the *outgoing* beam of the launcher get disrupted by a dazzler if the dazzler isn't aimed at the launcher operator?

[@AdurianJ]

Both the RBS-70 and Stinger replaced the Redeye.

[@รัฏฐกรณ์อธิคุปต์ธนวัฒ]

MANPADS? What is it? my country dont have that we have shotgun with birdshot work just as well