The Real Failure of the F-35

[@RBReich]

We’re funding a failed fighter jet program that’s projected to cost upwards of $1.7 trillion. Don’t tell us we can’t afford to help working people get by.

[@GardenOfEdenYT]

bruh that money went to the people who worked on the program. Those people brought food, clothes, etc etc. it's not like all that money went to thin air.

[@quackylicious6730]

I would rather my tax dollars go to homeland security then some bozos who don’t try to fix there own life’s

[@GarrulousHerald]

Does this dude think that every invention is supposed to be successful on the first try? If it were up to this dude we'd still be living in the stone age.

[@johnmcgee636]

OOPS!

[@GardenOfEdenYT]

@@GarrulousHerald yeah by the same logic the space race was a waste of money. Hell WD-30 came from the NASA and that stuff is great

[@cfltheman]

And here we are complaining about what student loan forgiveness will cost us.

[@commonsense.1014]

Not we. Just old and stupid.

[@brianmcdowell7377]

We wuz kangzz

[@augustcoolidge2475]

Defense is the ONLY necessary responsibility of the federal government.

[@AA-xo9uw]

The loan isn't forgiven. The debt obligation is only transferred to the taxpayers who didn't incur it. In effect Sleepy Joe the grifter is attempting to pull off a strong arm robbery. He deserves to be prosecuted for it.

[@lorenzoblum868]

Complaining about cow fart while ignoring the elephant fart in the room aka the military industrial complex.

[@captaingibbs3916]

I've been saying stuff like this ever since I was a freshman in an air force JROTC. To quote the Air Force Major that ran the class "They'll keep funding it until its not one of the biggest embarrassing things they've tried to make work"

[@Hermes_Agoraeus]

USN: "A successful test of the aircraft's rebalancing and pilot ejection systems!"

[@commonsense.1014]

Thats an awfully expensive load to blow out.

[@sugardragon9001]

They just approved a new military budget AND they gave them 45 billion dollars more than they asked for. Like we say in my country, "the angels wept. "🙄

[@lorenzoblum868]

The angels drowned in their tears long time ago. Government is the entertainment division of the military industrial complex ~ Frank Zappa.

[@vladtheinhaler3226]

Child tax credit. Maybe dont take our money so our children can have it in the first place.

[@ngirabedechal]

This was actually a very successful test of the new pilot ejection button after thirty million dollar upgrade from the older lever type

[@commonsense.1014]

Why we left the hatch open they used to just splat. Wait ill you see them fly with it open. So much strawberry jelly.

[@Zoki4444]

They'll spend all the country's money on stupid shit like this before ever saving anyone. If it was the end of the world, they'd still waste it on nonsense that won't help.

[@yolyprog2561]

Absolutely

[@TheArmchairrocker]

"If it was the end of the world..." It ain't no "if," that time is now.

[@AA-xo9uw]

Another economic illiterate has weighed in.

[@lorenzoblum868]

Government is the entertainment division of the military industrial complex ~ Frank Zappa.

[@TheArmchairrocker]

@@AA-xo9uw another dipshit bot has weighed in.

[@TheStrodog71]

How are you gonna be on the ground and pull the cord?! Lol

[@lukewise1227]

Don't forget Australia is contributing to that $1.7 trillion also because it's a 'joint' program. Canada pulled out of the deal years ago, they were smart enough to see the writing on the wall, and don't have to fear a Chinese invasion. Then Australia pulled out of a French Submarine deal, opting for a 'theoretical' US submarine that's still on the drawing board and 20+ years away, if at all. All decisions made by a 'Republican' Australian Government at the time. Glad I am an old dude, the world's gone mad and common sense no longer exists in the generational gene pool.

[@jalenthomas7210]

You are correct

[@yolyprog2561]

Absolutely correct

[@Grimenoughtomaketherobotcry]

Actually, after rejecting the F-35, and considering replacing our 1980's vintage CF-18's with Super Hornets or the SAAB Gripen, the Trudeau government reversed itself in March 2022 and is now committed to buying around eighty-eight F-35's for a projected cost of between $15 billion to $19 billion (Cdn), with a total life cycle cost put at around $77 billion. No one in their right mind thinks those cost projections will be anything close to the final figures.

[@lukewise1227]

And another thing.... It takes four Super Hornets and a Tanker to deliver a payload of the same weight, at the same distance, as one F1-11C (Ardvark or Pig). For a fraction of the cost we could have commissioned a fleet of new F1-11's with modern avionics and materials from McDonnell-Douglas and still had change left over for some more Hornets or F-16's. We don't even have an aircraft carrier or Fleet Air Arm anymore. So why do we need a VTOL?

[@michaelrch]

At this point, the government is basically a Military Industrial Complex with a tax raising department attached...

[@lorenzoblum868]

Government is the entertainment division of the military industrial complex ~ Frank Zappa.

[@asheronwindspear552]

And any one of those children could have the potential to grow and design a significantly better jet.

[@bennittotheburrito9606]

Like? Because the f-35 is one of the best aircraft the us has ever made lol

[@elisamell2736]

Let’s feed the poor and create programs for the homeless to be self sufficient!

[@jalenthomas7210]

Hell no

[@GarrulousHerald]

Great, I trust you will be the first one to come up with a solution that doesn't utterly fail and backfire like the countless ones before it.

[@gloriouse4458]

ABSOLUTELY 👍🏽 💯❤️‍🩹

[@yolyprog2561]

Exactly

[@viperviper5]

Homeless will never be self sufficient. Never

[@Beegee1952]

And Congress just approved billions for the military today, but no way to help with student loans or heaven forbid a national healthcare plan. 🤬

[@AA-xo9uw]

Student loans need to be repaid by the students who incurred the debt not the taxpayers. I thought Barry Soetoro gave everybody free/low cost healthcare. What happened with that scam?

[@lorenzoblum868]

They have a healthcare plan. Make a soldier out of you. Less chances you'll get old and catch a cold.

[@lorenzoblum868]

Btw, the carbon /toxicity footprint of the military industrial complex anybody?

[@Beegee1952]

@@AA-xo9uw So students have to repay their loans but, people like MGT get PPP loan forgiveness? She is a fricken millionaire! Right, plenty of justice in that. Great reasoning.

[@BoleDaPole]

Nobody batted an eye when Biden blew up the nord stream pipelines causing millions of tons of fossil fuel to pollute the ocean in a matter of minutes

[@user-gk9lg5sp4y]

A boondoggle of a white elephant of a pork barrel

[@ronaldelliott4373]

A sham of a mockery of two shams! I never want to hear any of these A-holes say we can’t pay for something the citizens need, with this bs hanging over all of them. Pathetic

[@lorenzoblum868]

Btw, the carbon /toxicity footprint of the elephant in the room aka the military industrial complex anybody?

[@winstonchurchill5892]

Ask any brach pilots and they will tell you the opposite

[@bennittotheburrito9606]

20/1 redflag

[@user-gk9lg5sp4y]

@@bennittotheburrito9606 I was wrong, sorry.

[@yolyprog2561]

“CHILD TAX CREDIT NOW!!!”

[@dylanwatts9344]

I don't agree. It might take that money to get them out of poverty, but for how long? We need a fix for the economy. That way poverty goes away. And the best part of that idea is it costs the gov little to nothing.

[@Oneshot8242]

Ahhh, a little bondo, and it'll buff right out!

[@benqurayza7872]

The F-35 is very expensive, but at least 10 American allies have purchased it. So, hopefully some of the costs will be offset by foreign purchases. This fighter jet will have to serve for at least 30 years. It is intended to replace 4 older, obsolescing fighter jets currently in use. Israel will have to use a fleet of f-35's to attack the Islamic Republic of Iran. We have to meet both military and social needs. Unfortunately, we have enemies and need to offset their military capabilities.

[@ENDtheFED-it4bo]

Offset? They money doesn't get paid to the US govt. It goes to the manufacturer who pays taxes on it. So only about 25% of foreign purchase money goes back to the govt

[@paul01burns]

Australia is having a lot of problems with this plane. This is a huge ripoff of the American taxpayer

[@CDogg-kn4wt]

When has the government Not ripped off the American people? 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@jamiharmon9629]

This is ridiculous! People are dying and they are funding a worthless aircraft!! Some priority!! 😤🤬😡

[@falsevacuum4667]

Do you know how dangerous the world is and is becoming?

[@winstonchurchill5892]

The jet isn't worthless, it is slowly becoming one of the most exported fighter jets in the world and performs very capablely in a combat environment

[@theressomelovelyfilthdownh4329]

@@winstonchurchill5892 Are you twelve? You actually think other countries agreeing to take it means it's good? You ever hear of the Lockheed F-104 Starfighter widowmaker? They got West Germany to take that turd as well.

[@ProfessordevilL]

​@@winstonchurchill5892 how much money has the US made by selling them? More than trillions, would you say?

[@xobat1201]

Sadly, many people don't care about the poor anymore.

[@TheArmchairrocker]

Sadly most Americans are the poor.

[@shirleyreese6832]

Anymore? How about, "never did".

[@Dstrbrdgrnd]

@@shirleyreese6832exactly👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@lorenzoblum868]

Sure they do. They have a program . It's called the army. Included efficient healthcare and housing program given there are fair chances you won't need either of them after serving. Btw, the carbon /toxicity footprint of the MIC anybody?

[@mazer4112]

Let’s really put America on the list. Limited access to specialty care for people who really need it but don’t have enough money or not the right insurance. Hospitals and corporate world businesses literally using their employees as close to slave labor as is legal. Limited to no access for the general population to higher education. Basic education is severely hobbled by too many rules and regulations not enough money AAAAAAND Don’t even get me started on the housing crisis.

[@commonsense.1014]

Did you know once apon a time the US government was going to build comfortable free housing for all. Then banks were like nuuuuhuuuu, i want my cut.

[@sebastienholmes548]

Go to China

[@jrg2866]

But if nobody's starving in the street, how do we scare the working class into accepting inhuman working conditions?

[@lorenzoblum868]

Nailed it. That's precisely what's it all about. Intimidation and control. The program for the poor : join the army. Included, efficient health program given you might not get old nor catch a cold. Housing program solved too...

[@rayturp6742]

It's about stocks. make it where people can't profit from military contracts and see military spending plummet.

[@lorenzoblum868]

Wall Street / pentagone / MIC is the same big country club.

[@DJ_Force]

Hey Putin, China. Please don't invade Tiawan or Eastern Europe. We are trying to feed the poor over here!

[@falsevacuum4667]

While I agree with the sentiment, the F-35 is the most advanced aircraft in the world and hundreds have already been purchased by other countries. This video does not demonstrate holistically that the program is a failure. It actually doesn't present any information as to why what we saw happen happened. Maybe that was a test of a prototype, maybe the pilot made a mistake, etc.

[@sneese850]

Let's be honest, they don't actually give a sh*t about the children....unless they're still in the womb.

[@AA-xo9uw]

How much is spent annually on programs like WIC, SNAP, TANF, Medicare, Medicaid, Head Start, EBT, Section 8, ad infinitum ...?

[@lorenzoblum868]

The best description of the republican zealots so far.

[@bennittotheburrito9606]

@@lorenzoblum868goofy ahh comment

[@chrisakins692]

I’m a liberal. I’m also a veteran. Look to Ukraine to see what happens when you appear weak to predators. We need a strong defense and public services. Tax corporations and the wealthy and we can have both. Stop with the binary choice falsehood.

[@shirleyreese6832]

Spot on! You nailed it. I was thinking the same darn thing.

[@jb34ch1]

Does what you just saw in the video "appear strong"? Again, liberals exhibit their inability to comprehend. The video is intended to draw attention to the failed and bloated spending, not the desire to have a strong defense. You aren't a liberal, you're incompetent.

[@shirleyreese6832]

@@jb34ch1 it's not "just" a video. Do the reading. Combine both and maybe his/her comment will make sense to you.

[@rajashashankgutta4334]

Sir, US is already strong enough to deter Russia and China from attacking it's interests and that of fellow NATO allies interests.

[@JTM56]

It literally protects are country this man knows nothing we have to continue to build and grow and learn about military so we can protect the country

[@tinamclaughlin1991]

Duh, that's a no brainer. Life! Not implements of war!

[@madmachanicest9955]

You're right we can't afford to treat our citizens better but the reason why it cost so much money is because the program is divided among all 50 states. As a result is extra cost from logistics but the actual f-35 program employees a lot of people.

[@mg43472]

What a sin.. a waste.. who's pocket is this lining

[@randy7417]

12 billion EVERY SINGLE YEAR not a one time thing...and none of those homeless people can actively stop a threat of mass destruction soo🙄🤡

[@reedraikes7471]

The child tax credit is literally for bringing kids out of poverty. We have nuclear reassured destruction to make sure our near peers never fuck with us, this jet doesn’t sway their opinion on attacking America in either direction

[@jjbird1372]

Just for a moment……..consider what could be done to advance the situation of so many citizens if those funds were directed to social programs. Health, education and housing!!! What a mind warping thought that is 😳!!

[@LV2XPLR]

The cost of dealing with the flood of people sneaking over the southern border will likely exceed the cost of the F-35 program. Seems like we can defend our country and help our children if we control the southern border.

[@tickytacky8078]

Military industrial complex pays better than federal house and senate paychecks

[@lorenzoblum868]

The MIC owns the senate... Government is the entertainment division of the military industrial complex ~ Frank Zappa.

[@granudisimo]

This is some Pentagon Wars shit if i ever saw any outside the movie.

[@jonathanwessner3456]

The program costs @ 2x as much as what the manufacturer told us it would, and we are getting 30% fewer planes for the price.

[@JL-fx2cd]

The pilot screwed up...

[@angelikalindenau943]

But where else do you get planes that dance to the ground?

[@GloBoyChino]

Dont you think having the strongest military in the world is a good priority tho?

[@TennesseeJed]

Yeah, but if you give children food it'll make them lazy and they won't be good krill to feed the Wall Street whales.

[@thejetkeeper]

You know nothing about the F35. >Shows footage of it failing to land in VTOL >Says its a failure That's like saying the M1 Abrams is a failure because it got stuck in the mud.

[@t90mshaweenee55]

not the tank’s fault it got stuck in mud

[@thejetkeeper]

@@t90mshaweenee55 people often don't discredit the crew, they discredit the machines

[@CalvinWauchope]

AHHHHAHA easy on the stick bro 😂 haha he totally tapped and just over corrected that nose by what was probably a whisper of too much stick. Solely based on zero flight experience 😉.

[@mimosveta]

the music is brilliant

[@shellt2390]

In all good truth we are a Military Nation. Likely this was a training maneuver. Our men do need quality training. Remember, they are your sons, daughters, husband's, wife's, our citizens! But the "kid" help DOESN'T help everyone. I've raised mine, no help from the government. No help for college either. Kid help at work as reported afforded more tattoos, drugs, drama lessons, new dogs and registered horses. I and many others just got to pay our taxes while the United States gives money to Isreal and Ukraine while we still purchase our own health care. Health services are private sector. You no a pay you no a have!Now that's a REAL American problem! Make more kids people CAN'T AFFORD.

[@sebastienholmes548]

You cherry pick one crash and say its a failure.

[@RikersforTrump]

Men and their toys!

[@sebastienseb919]

Women fly these as well. It called "humanity" and their toys.

[@user-gk9lg5sp4y]

Yeah, no. This is a crime. A fraud.

[@sebastienseb919]

@@user-gk9lg5sp4y most of life in the U.S. is a crime a fraud.

[@user-gk9lg5sp4y]

@@sebastienseb919 I wouldn't say most but I agree with your point

[@shirleyreese6832]

Some of the best pilots are women. The second to Top astronaut was a female.

[@matthewc3488]

I heard you charge $100k for a keynote speech. I bet you are financially stable by now and are able to lift a small number of kids out of poverty. What are you doing to help Professor?

[@makingknowsense8979]

Holy shit. Get children out

[@antimattv]

Yes yes a thousand times yes. PRIORITIES!

[@KafshakTashtak]

Your tax dollars at work. :))

[@donfisher8035]

A reality check ✅.

[@evelyndominguez4757]

Yes, I’ll make a call.

[@janetlynch5804]

Sad, that this has become all we are😭

[@glynemartin]

So....the Republicans must be in power...

[@Ry_TSG]

It’s a democrat and Republican problem. Both parties are corrupted by big businesses, and things will only change with grassroots progressive politicians

[@kuriosites]

A progressive candidate should run this as their commercial.

[@Seraph702]

LOL so this is the real reason the Marines are transitioning their Mission back to Littoral Combat; Landing boats are supposed to hit the shore XD. Love you Devil Dogs ;)

[@DoremiFasolatido1979]

Yeah...tell Manchin... Because somehow he's supposedly unaware of all this? You people are unbelievable. Someone's knifing you in the belly repeatedly...and all you can think to do about it, is say..."hey, man...that like, hurts...stop it...please?" Oh...silly me...that's so compelling, so effective. I can't possibly see how that wouldn't work marvelously...

[@Stonecoldfrank]

Yes, throw money at poor people, that's always a good solution XD

[@FALCONMINISTUDIOS]

Yup!

[@robertnussberger6449]

I'd rather fund that jet that crashes than anything a democrat is looking to fund

[@theressomelovelyfilthdownh4329]

Then you're a dullard, who thinks like a child. I mean, you pretty much proved it yourself.

[@bazodee2]

Brits had no problems getting their harrier to land, whats up with this murican "harrier"!!!!

[@bennypapino3670]

But that's socialism 😑😑😑

[@garyreid6165]

DAMN!

[@imdafish5705]

Thats sick tho...

[@UBETUBEME]

Thank you Mr Reich for educating the citizens on what is really going on

[@donfisher8035]

Amen

[@napoleonpoliticalfinker1002]

Well, I would say Reich managed to turn this failure into a success at least with this funny video. Anyway, being anti-tax credit or whatever other working class benefit is mostly just classism or whatever else don’t let people convince u otherwise

[@toetotoe7803]

Jeez....

[@AG-sc6pm]

We need equipment that doesn't fail our service men and risk their lives in training! They aren't dying on battlefields but on faulty planes, ships etc... But money is also needed for people here as well.

[@winstonchurchill5892]

No one has died piloting the F 35 tho, or Atleast no American has died to a f 35 crash

[@AG-sc6pm]

@@winstonchurchill5892 Either way we still need better equipment for our military because they are dying on planes and ships that aren't in good condition

[@mckinneyman4325]

Facts

[@davehelmboldt6790]

To quote Cenk Uyger "follow the money Labowsky." Big money donors. I say cut the military budget in half tuntill they pass an audit. At that rate we'd still be spending more than anyone else.

[@lorenzoblum868]

Donation is an euphemism for BRIBERY.

[@lorenzoblum868]

Government is the entertainment division of the military industrial complex ~ Frank Zappa.

[@winstonchurchill5892]

You forget maintenance, almost 1/3rd of the entire budget is maintenance so a Jurassic cut like that would cripple any type of power projection the us would have

[@NathanielEssex1849]

This is the result of having Lockheed Martin building components to this and the F-22 Raptor in multiple states. This way the lobbyists don't have to try as hard. This program is stretched for the next 30 - 50 years! That being said, helping low to middle income people in the U.S. would be too much like right and doesn't control the population.

[@VileMisanthrope]

Worst part about the F-35 program that's not talked about enough is that the military, in particular the Air Force, signed the contracts for the planes from Lockheed before the plane was even finished with it's testing phase.

[@rpfs2691]

Ф35 это блуф

[@bobasquid3339]

🤦🏻‍♂️

[@shirleyreese6832]

Thank you Dr Reich for sharing this and bringing attention to poverty in America. And, I love this music!😘

[@rebeccacarlson9166]

I've been wondering about this ever since I watched your US govt. budget video!! We spend money equal to 7 other big countries?! What a f'd up budget.

[@garren615]

😲

[@MyChevySonic]

It can't carry as much as an F22, or support the ground like the A10, or do reconnaissance like a predator, but ... ITS FASTER! GOTTA GO FAST!

[@rajashashankgutta4334]

But it is essential for network centric warfare

[@dancorkill7033]

Now the delusional dwarf is a military expert. Hilarious 😂

[@rajashashankgutta4334]

You don't have to be an expert to see how useless this f35 program is.

[@SABDBL]

Come on, just get an f-16

[@itzcaleb1776]

Self defense isn’t a priority

[@TwoHawksHunting]

"Beware of the Military Industrial Complex" - President Dwight Eisenhower January 1961

[@lorenzoblum868]

Government is the entertainment division of the military industrial complex ~ Frank Zappa.

[@marka9292]

Did the ejector seat yeet the pilot off into the oblivion?

[@theodericstrider5780]

Housing first solutions as well!!

[@Ulatimber]

Military industrial complex 🤡🫡😂☕

[@InterMovies]

150 M airplane crashes more than 14 times. Cant fly in rain.. yeaaaaaa

[@SamsElectromechanical]

Failed? The F-35 is currently one of the best fighter jets in the world. Also look at all the technologies that go into a project like that that have to be created and refined and everything else those advancements can be applied to. Advancement is expensive and it needs to happen in order to keep our families and friends safe from those who would wish to do us harm.

[@lopoa126]

Zero enemies for decades now. MIC exists for shareholder profits.

[@SamsElectromechanical]

@@lopoa126 you're joking right? Just because someone looks at you with a smile doesn't mean they can't turn it all around when it suits them. Put down your gun and someone else is going to pick it up and point it at you to get what they want

[@winstonchurchill5892]

​@@lopoa126Just look at eastern earope or any middle eastern country and tell me that there are no threats to the united states

[@rajashashankgutta4334]

​@@winstonchurchill5892 those countries are nothing in front of current US military tech. Why spend more on future tech? Ex: Russia's performance in Ukraine.

[@lorafeatherstone8030]

I believe the whole point of funding a project like the F-35 is to perfect such a advanced plane, saying it is a failed fighter jet isn't an appropriate judgment. At least for now.

[@Schmidtelpunkt]

The fighter might fly one day, but the project has failed budgetwise.

[@justmenotyou3151]

​@Herr Schmidt what military budget hasn't failed? Correction, they never fail. They succeed in transferring wealth to those who need it. Contractors and the rich.

[@Schmidtelpunkt]

@@justmenotyou3151 True, this happens by design. Not only the rich, but also to flush money into Senators' states when they need to be bought. Further it is a legal way to give subsidies to US industries without breaking a law.

[@viperviper5]

Too hell with the child tax credit. People are making these babies and are not teaching anything Many of these kids are growing up without being taught values. Support our military

[@lopoa126]

What an uneducated viewpoint. What "values" do you want promoted? Going to assume worshiping the flag is up there on your list. Why should we support our military murdering innocent women and children instead of actually defending the country? The military keeps expanding to increase MIC profits for shareholders.

[@bobasquid3339]

🙄

[@kennethrollo7891]

Somebody made you, shame.

[@viperviper5]

@@kennethrollo7891 no my brotha shame is not on me. Just look around you Many of these kids today lives are being destroyed even before they really start life. This is because of the lack of leadership and parental guidance. Child tax credit does not solve anything but encourage more bad choices. Talk about shame when you here of a 7 year old bringing a gun to school. Talk about shame when you hear about a 16 year old shoots and kills a innocent 5 year old. Talk about shame when you hear how many of these kids are being sexually molested in the home by a family member. All people want to do is throw other people’s money at a problem and hoping for good results Now that is shame. Look in the mirror that is who is going to fix these problems

[@bobasquid3339]

@@viperviper5 🙄

[@theressomelovelyfilthdownh4329]

Maybe it's just me. But ejecting seemed a bit pointless, and more dangerous than staying in the failed jet. Esp since it had pretty much already come to a stop. They could have just waited a few seconds, and simply walked away from it. Mind you, knowing how much of a screw-up this plane is. They may not have had a choice, it may just have spat them out because the software decided it was a great idea.

[@jaket8051]

The child tax credit isn't going to do garbage. Stop trying to subsidize poverty and start changing policies to help those in poverty to get good jobs.

[@y_fam_goeglyd]

The jobs need to be there in the first place. It has been shown time after time that all the "top down" crap doesn't work - _ever_ ! And that's exactly why there are so many ultrarich people running the country behind the scenes - getting personal tax breaks worth millions! - and poorer families in areas where there is no money for investment in jobs are going without heat, food and shelter. From what I've learnt from American friends and family, the US social security system is a bloody nightmare. Those who run it are even more incompetent than our own civil servants, and that's not easy! As someone who, despite having a working husband (I'm disabled to the point where I can no longer go out to work, much to my annoyance, putting it mildly - since I was 35 and something went wrong with my back when I had my 3rd child. And no, proving it would have been nigh on Impossible and I couldn't afford a lawyer just to find out if I had a case. This was before the "no win, no fee" thing), would have gone under if our country didn't have child tax credits. Ironically, we would have been better off with hubby not working if they didn't exist, because getting them pushed us just over the financial edge to the point where we could just manage, partly because of the credits and partly due to his not brilliantly paid full-time job (salaried and in education; not him as a student, it is his job. Unfortunately it's only 40 weeks a year, so when the kids were young, holidays were impossible because he got approx 7-8 times _less_ during his enforced breaks). Mercifully, now the kids are grown up and all bar one have left (he's staying with us partially because despite a good science degree, he can't find a job, and partially to help us because we're both now disabled), and we're no longer entitled to any such child credits, we do get a small amount of working tax credits because of his pretty low income and our disability benefits. We're better off now than at any time during our 36 years together. Not rich by any means, and I rely on my benefits as my sole source of income. Back then, without those few extra pounds a month making the difference between us feeding the kids _and_ us, or just the kids. Before they came in, he and I often went hungry. This is the choice being given. Stuff yet more money into non-tax-paying billionaires' pickets, or directly help those who need it (the credit would help with the cost of the kids, leaving more for the adults to be able to go to work and pay the bills.) Yes, some people will abuse the system, but you can't tell me that they're any worse than these "tax free bosses".

[@viperviper5]

Agreed

[@lopoa126]

You truly fail life promoting for more death. Imagine being so privileged that you give the finger to the poor in favor of your MIC worship.

[@lopoa126]

@@viperviper5 Such a good MIC puppet that hates poor Americans

[@shirleyreese6832]

You need child care affordability with jobs. Daycare runs over $25 k a year. We can do both by eliminating the tax breaks to multi millionaires, billionaires, and trillionaires. We can have the jets and save the kids, and let moms be moms at home. Kids that have stay at home moms grow up less likely to be involved in crime. Crime costs our country billions.

[@Jon-zi5mu]

And only $858 billion dollars this year alone this coming year kids!

[@brianmcdowell7377]

How much you give?