The Real Problem With Marner's Contract + Will Ovechkin Break The Goal Record THIS Season? | SDP

Steve Dangle, Adam Wylde and Jesse Blake discuss what they believe is the real issue with Mitch Marner's current contract and potential contract extension. Then, the guys debate whether or not they believe Ovechkin can break the all-time goals record in this upcoming season.
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[@cuff02]

Wow, this Bob Ogden guy sounds like a baller. Do you reckon we can get him and still keep Marner?

[@darkhorse306]

Marner for Ogdon + 2nd

[@jonthedawn]

Hahahah yes!! Let's goooo

[@dieselbrodeur]

one guy for 8 and one for 4 ... 20000000% better

[@kurtwpg]

It's not that anyhow. A player needs to replace another player. So what you'd really be replacing is 12 million dollars plus 1 or 2 times at least 800k.

[@dieselbrodeur]

@@kurtwpg Huh ? you replace on the roster, not 1:1. In reality they could use a deepth guy to replace 1:1 and the other replacement guys as bonus.

[@kurtwpg]

@@dieselbrodeur Simple. If you replace Marner plus at least one other player, the dollars available are equal to all players that are replaced.

[@xrsroofingsolutionscanada2151]

6m savings when Tavares signs for 5 mil plus saving 12m not resigning marner is 18m plus 3 mil for letting Liljegren walk and 3m for trading kampf is 24m. You could have added Parayko 6m, Stamkos 8m, Marchesault 6m p.kane 5.5m and had a lineup that was deep. Domi Matthews Nylander Marchesault Stamkos P.Kane Knies Tavares Minten Jarnkrok mcmann Reaves Rielly Tanev OEL Parayko Benoit McCabe Timmins

[@patrickgoulet8170]

@@xrsroofingsolutionscanada2151 drugs are certainly getting stronger as time goes on it seems

[@ChosenGamingTV]

So long as Marner is a maple leaf, to me he will forever be known as Bob Ogden!

[@drunkreapermatt]

i'm just gonna use bob ogden as the proxy player refering to the anchor contract... and to dunk on edmonton, they have a bob ogden on d

[@grh5104]

Every NHL 24 player listening to this is now making Bob Ogden

[@armandolarade7861]

The problem with the Leafs core 4 is this: they're all overpayed...Nylander is payed a million, 2 million more than players that are way better and have been winning cups. Tavares is not worth 11 million. Heck, Matthews is maybe worth it and Marner well, his first contract was a great pressure job and now he wants a raise...nobody else will give him as much as the bunch of buffoons running this team...no one. They can get 2 awesome proven playoffs performers for what they will give Bob...lol!!!

[@chad_b]

With how Matthews performs in the playoffs I don't even think he's worth his contract

[@JKrolling-qz4lu]

Unfortunately for Marner I sort of doubt he even gets a pay raise on his new contract next year (whether with the Leafs or another team). Vegas, Tampa, Col and Fla have shown how to structure a roster cap wise to win cups. His willingness to sign another contract for less that $12M AAV will dictate if he gets traded.

[@davierichards8127]

Can you imagine that if there were no COVID or shortened seasons, Ovi would already have the record.

[@bikingD]

Thing is Gretzky already retired by this point in Ovi's career. As a Caps fan and love Ovi but Gretzky did it with a redline, no touch up offsides, a wood stick so no 100 mph shot in the slot. A clutch and grab era with way more violence. Gretzky was that good. Plus add his assists. Like wow!!!!

[@sophiewang1025]

@@bikingD No one's saying Ovi would be better than Gretzky if he breaks the record lol. It would just be a great thing to add to his career "list of achievements".

[@BarnJ]

​​@@bikingDyou also have to take into account it was an era where goalies had egg cartons taped to their legs and the average GPG was far higher than it is today. The Hockey Guy did a great breakdown of scoring trends in a video on the Dead Puck Era not too long ago.

[@BarnJ]

​@@bikingDthat's also just objectively not true, unless you're strictly talking about age. Gretzky has 1487 GP over 19 seasons (79-80 to 98-99) while Ovi has 1426 GP over 18 seasons (05-06 to 23-24), both including 2 lockout shortened seasons.

[@bikingD]

@@BarnJ Ok let's even the field. Gretzky .59 goals a game. Ovi .59 goals a game. Identical except Gretzky has more assists than anyone by a country mile. No way comparing the two. Ovi is great but lots of others even goal scorers better. Shortened because of injury but Bossy averaged way more than either Gretzky or Ovi. Pure goal scorers easily the best.

[@pucksnpicks]

One thing that always comes up in my mind when discussing the Leafs is the simple fact that in playoffs, you have to want it more. I’m sorry, I don’t believe enough of these guys want to win. You felt it brewing from Florida since 2022. Tampa. Colorado. Vegas. These guys just wanted it more , all 4 lines.

[@jlove8445]

Coincidentally one of ways "All 4 lines" get goin is when you dont leave 8 million to sign 6 players that will be on the ice a ton. Our bottom lines get exsposed by every team and our 12 Million dollar cap hitters get injured in the playoffs now your out 3 impact players at 4 million in the lineup behind Matthews and Nylander. All 4 lines in is the key, gotta spread the cap better than into 4 guys

[@patrickhamos2987]

Enjoy Bob Ogden in Toronto in 24/25, as we've all been saying since the last game of their season.

[@Kyt2024]

IF Marner will sign for the Nylander contract (8 years & 11.5M), I would definitely considering doing that deal. If he demands more, then I think you have to move on. And Tavares needs to drop to an amount we are comfortable putting on the third line or he won't be here. I'm thinking the long term, low AAV. Basically try to Stamkos him and if he walks over it, then we need to be prepared for that.

[@killachinchilla9445]

Or another way to word it, would you rather Hyman and Bertuzzi or Mitch?

[@ColeTalksHockey67]

Hyman, Bert and Brown over crybaby

[@allanmoore0013]

I don't want to see any of the top 5 moved. The real problem with Marner (& Tavares) is being paid as a top 2 player on their team. Arguably neither is top 3 (Matthew's, Nylander and Reilly). Until the salary cap structure is corrected, the Leafs won't be able to compete.

[@GoCeltics734]

Here's 3 players making $4m each that you'd take as a group over Marner...Brandon Carlo ($4.1m), Oettinger ($4m), Bouchard ($3.9m)

[@crushdavis7048]

Even looking at guys on the trade block Chykrun and Necas + a 2 milion dollar player would have gone a long way.

[@GoCeltics734]

​@crushdavis7048 yup. Although I'd argue Tavares is hurting them more than Marner. If they hadnt signed Tavares they couldve signed Pietrangelo as a FA a few years ago and had a few mill leftover

[@ryuhoshi2774]

You can't also just say instead of paying Marner 12 you could have these 3 players for 4 each and then choose some of the biggest contract steals in the league. That's like saying well Colorado instead of paying Mackinnon 13mill is better off paying Draisaitl (7.5) Bedard (950,000) Lafreniere (2.5) L. Thompson (766,000) and a league min role player. Like yeah of course any team would rather pay that, but that's because all these players play way above their contract value. If you're making this hypothetical Marner scenario actually pick players that are worth their 4 million dollar cap hits. Which I still think the leafs are better off doing, just don't pretend like finding players that play at Oettinger's/Bourchad's level for 4 million is the norm.

[@patrickgoulet8170]

Whine and moan now about this but meanwhile they're still doing it, do you think that tanev contract is going to be awesome in three years? Like if that's how they spend the extra cap space wtf is the point?

[@jefffreese947]

IMO - it's not MM @ $12M vs. 3 guys at $4M. Its you have $15M for 4 roster spots. You can have MM and 3 guys on league minimum contracts (or ELC's if you have young guys ready to step up), or you can have I guy at $5-6M (Bertuzzi, Teravainen, Debrusk, Pesce etc.), and then 3 guys a $3-4M each (Dillon, Martinook, Tarasenko, Perron, Henrique).

[@swammer13]

Let's say that instead of Bob Ogden you had Ehlers and Matt Roy. That's the type of change you could see bringing more balance to the line-up. A 2C instead of Ehlers would be better, I'm just being realistic about who might have been available this offseason.

[@late3619]

Look at Ehlers playoff stats 37 playoff games 4 goals and 10 assists. He 100% isn't a guy the leafs want for a playoff run.

[@patrickgoulet8170]

@@late3619 he's been farther in the playoffs during his career than the leafs have been.

[@swammer13]

​@@late3619totally fair point, not saying I would make that trade just trying to put out something in the realm of possible. I don't know if it would be realistic to expect to get proven playoff performers back for MM

[@late3619]

@@patrickgoulet8170 So what, he hasn't contributed to the teams success.

[@fliw7114]

Yea but with tavares and marner combined. We can get THREE 8 million dollar playoff players to round out matthews and nylander. Thats a significant upgrade to our current situation

[@patrickgoulet8170]

If they let the leafs sign the contracts everyone is probably an 8 million dollar player. You would have to trade for those contracts because obviously they don't know how to do it themselves.

[@ed230]

Bob Ogden....Gud ply'er

[@johndesousa7379]

The question is - How well does Marner produce in the playoffs ? Does he produce like a 12 million dollar player? Nylander makes 11.5 million so another question is does Marner deserve to get paid more than Nylander? Marner is a 7 million dollar player. No more.

[@late3619]

LOL, Willie get's all the easier playoff matchups. 55 games of career stats for Willie who was on pace for 126 points and ended up with 98 after his contract signing. If or when Marner is gone and Willie get's the topline and d-pairing matchup in the playoffs, let's see how well he does. Marner +10 in playoffs Willie +1 Matthews +2 Tavares -10 Rielly +14. Who are the real best playoff performers?

[@johndesousa7379]

@@late3619 Marner played more with Mathews and Nylander played more with Tavares. You play with better players you get a better +/-. Marner got 85 points compared to willies 98 points last season. In the playoffs Mathews and domi had 4 points, Nylander had 3 points in 4 games and Marner had 3 points in 7 games. Willy is the better player but in the end we have way too many high paid players on the team and we have to balance the team. Since Willy is locked in with No Move Clause for 8 years and Mathews the same for 5 years they are staying. Marner and Tavares have to be reduced or eliminated to balance the team better. They only have 1 season of No Move Clause Left.

[@late3619]

@@johndesousa7379 If that's the case why is Matthew +2 and Marner a +10. I know Marner is the odd man out but you will see when he is gone the drop off in the playoffs for Nylander playing against tougher matchups.

[@ttommyboiiigaming585]

3 guys with a cap hit combined 12m$ for 2024: Noah Dobson D, Patrick Kane F, Ryan Hartman F Leafs Lines: Forwards: Domi-Matthews-Kane Knies-Tavares-Nylander Cowan-McMann- Hartman Holmberg-Minton-Jarnkrok Subs: Dewar, Reaves Defence: Reilly-Tanev McCabe-Dobson OEL-Liljgren Sub: Benoit, Timmons Goalie: Woll Stolarz Now obviously this is completely unrealistic but it proves that 12m could EASILY be spent elsewhere.

[@Kiham80]

I also think its about what the team needs. If a guy like McDavid runs riot everytime Toronto faces Edmonton then maybe a shutdown player/penalty killer is what the team needs for instance. Or maybe a puckmoving defence man that shoots right. But sometimes Bob Ogden is the guy you need, and then he is worth the contract. So I would probably answer Scottys question with "what sort of players does the team need?". Sometimes you dont need particularly expensive players because they are a good fit for the teams style of play, sometimes you need to pay for quality players. If I were Torontos management I would probably trade Bob Ogden, not because he is bad or anything but because there are bigger holes to fill elsewhere.

[@jwt6577]

Watching Ovechkin skate last year was painful. He's cooked, 20 or less.

[@matthoffman6962]

Yeah I won’t lie. He kinda looks like he’s going through the motions this last year. Understandable he’s older now. But if he could ever train and get in shape for this season he could have the record this year

[@__._._-_._.__]

Considering he doesn’t rlly have to move to score and he got 30 last year w an awful team around him. I say he gets 30 again cause now he’s at least got a couple guys who aren’t 3rd liner or old asf around him.

[@wizb4707]

20 with 10 as open netters. The caps org will make sure he is on the ice when there is an open net opportunity

[@jonah.donohue]

Wrong

[@jwt6577]

@@jonah.donohue Kay

[@briandonovan1381]

marner will score 20 goals in the first 10 games. Then the media will say the leafs were smart to keep him. But these guys will see through this. And tavares is cursed.

[@coopergardiner6843]

Mitch marner has 50 points in 57 playoff games and is +10, John Tavares has 46 points in 62 games and is -14, as a leaf he has 24 points in 39 games and is -9. Marner is paid exactly what he should be paid, especially as a power play, penalty kill specialist. John tavares, bless his heart, is not good enough to be paid 10 million a season. Hes worth 3-6 million depending on his last season of his contract, and if he drops off again then he may not even get that amount. Giving marner 11-12 and losing tavares' whole contract gives us 8 million in cap space which to me solves our cap issue going forward

[@alltheworldsastage.]

No one looks at John's stats

[@matthewsimonds3346]

How many of those points came against the panthers, canadiens, and bruins? Or how about games 5-7? He NEVER shows up when they NEED to win

[@jonah.donohue]

Don’t try to say Marner shows up in the playoffs

[@bps7267]

Why did we give Bob Ogden a full no-trade clause?

[@Merdad1]

As much as I like Steve and follow and watch him at every opportunity, I am sorry to say that when it comes to Mitch Marner, he talks out of another part of his body. As bad as he makes Marner out, as much as he has joined the cancel culture on Marner, he fails to point out that Marner is currently the leading point getter in the playoffs for the Leafs and he fails to say a word on who he is willing to replace Marner with. With Steve it has become a campaign of get rid of him for the sake of getting rid of him, a few weeks ago he had a conversation on comparing the Leafs top three with other top three on other teams and his arguments had more holes in it that a pasta sive. Be careful what you wish for Steve, you very likely will make all us fans suffer longer and more.

[@bradweirca]

its not like we've ever run someone out of town before, then regretted it... right... the simple truth is when you shop in the 4-5 mil players... theres a very good chance one or two of them WILL be total busts....

[@dmonsef]

Marner is still on the younger side, while Tavares is getting long in the tooth so to speak. You take away Tavares Game 6 OT series clincher against the Bolts, and tell me what Tavares has actually done in the playoffs for the Leafs! Marner is still the better money value over Tavares. Let us talk about Matthews. What exactly has he done clutch in playoffs games? Maybe early in a series, but late in series or to clinch, he has done nothing!

[@jonah.donohue]

Marner trash

[@Jrodsly]

Marner is the leading point getter. How many wins has that gotten them in the 3rd round, though? How many games have they played in the Stanley Cup Final with him? How many times has he scored series winning goals that you should be scoring for 11 million dollars? Bottom line is y'all don't want a winner. You just want a regular season team that puts up empty numbers and loses in round 1 (or gets lucky enough to lose in round 2) every year. If you don't want that, then tell me how keeping a core that has the same number of 2nd round playoff GAME wins as losses to their own AHL Zamboni driver in almost a decade together is gonna somehow work differently than it has before. Until you prove it to me in a way that actually makes sense with reality, you don't want a winner. Most expensive tickets in hockey can't buy you passion, apparently.

[@Merdad1]

@Jrodsly And all of Leafs misfortunes are one player's fault. Long speech, no logic.

[@jayvardy]

I really don't see the point in what Steve is doing with the Bob Ogden crap. Why take the name out of it? That's not how this works. You have to look at all the objective truth in a situation like this. I actually agree that Marner needs to go. But pretending his name is something else doesn't do anything to help your case. Fictionalizing a situation that exists in reality does literally nothing. You just sound pompous.

[@findleyad18]

Bob Ogden is a wild HP reference

[@robb412]

These guys are just now figuring out how bad the Marner contract is.

[@PDXKing99]

If the covid seasons and the lockout in 2012/13 didn’t happen Ovi would have absolutely have the record and he also should’ve played when he was 19 but the 2005 lockout happened. I think he breaks it in these next two years but in my opinion he’s already the greatest goal scorer of all time because of he’s consistency at which he scores

[@oldhab7890]

Where were you guys when Austin and Willie were signing their contracts with NMCs? Why are you not focusing on getting rid of Tavares next year? If the Leafs win in the playoffs it will because they can win 2 goal games.

[@tapiokorhonen3312]

I really don't understand why Canadians are cheering for a Russian to take the record away from Canadian icon?

[@jon8004]

Because most people are nationalist? And because Ovie is likable (and a genuinely better goal scorer than Gretzky, although many of today's players are as well).

[@JaredLS10]

To witness it.

[@Auronx3]

This becomes a better argument if it’s not 3 players but 2 players… 2 x 6mill players, or a 6.5 and a 5.5. Or a 8 and a 4! No “Bob” means they could have signed Hyman, Bertuzzi, and probably had room to keep Schenn. It’s just too much money tied up in 3 or 4 players to keep anyone else of value on the roster.

[@Jrodsly]

It still blows my mind that Leafs fans can't understand how this team is not built properly and Mitch's contract is at the center of it. Either they don't want to understand it or they're not mature enough to understand it. Either way, they don't want a winner. Just an empty numbers regular season team that never makes a serious run at a Cup.

[@skeptic10]

It's simple. Resign Bob Ogden for 12,5M and then sign two good 5M worth free agents for league minimum. Explain them that you need to save cap space so you guys need to sign team friendly.

[@williamwitt6212]

I honestly want to see Ovi end the season with 35 goals... sit on 888.

[@Joeblow12349]

Steve , your reasoning is not sound

[@jonthedawn]

Bob Ogden has how many playoff points? And under this coach, Bobby Ogs will drive the net more I bet. Bobby is also a generational talent imo. Keep Bobby..let's gooooo!

[@LemonsGraphics]

So your trading marner for 3 domis/bertuzzis. Domi and bertuzzi both got 40+ points and were good in the playoffs. Yes I would 100% take 100+ points worth of players rather than a player that hasnt even hit 100 points in a season yet. Its also so much harder to shut down 3 decent players than 1 good player

[@XB0XM4N420]

What does a 90p player on average make is it more or less than Bob Ogden

[@nicholas7706]

I can’t wait to tune in after the core four wins us the cup and you all will change your tune

[@SK-qh7yi]

Bob Ogden is not a complete player. Flybys in the corners and who really knows how he's going to fully recover from that injury. I don't understand why players salaries are not a base amount per tier/position and the rest bonus based. The better you do, the more you'll make. Cap based on the max, and if the bonuses aren't reached you add the amount to next year's cap

[@JevonSwallow]

Ah yes, because no shows in the playoffs are NEVER the players fault You guys almost SOUND like Mitch

[@anthonydurante1149]

Take a shot whenever you hear Bob Ogden. Plastered within 4 minutes

[@rmaguire1000]

46 Goals for Ovi and he breaks 900

[@patrickgoulet8170]

I want them to do what Steve says so when they lose next year he can blame someone else, get them kicked out of town, rinse and repeat. The funny thing is that they say the leafs run it back but really it's the fans who have expectations that aren't being met instead of just enjoying a game. It's probably not very profitable though for Steve to not be upset.

[@_Hack79]

So stupid not saying Marner’s name because if Bob Ogden did exist you’d just be talking about him the same as Marner and probably not wanting to use his name either. So it really doesn’t make sense.

[@mattkelly4945]

Leafs problems are because of the Tavares signing, instead of a cheaper FA or drafting/developing a 2C

[@eriklee3533]

For $12 Million dollars you could build a good third line. Something that the Leafs really don't have. As it is they team has no LW1, or 3rd Line.

[@ninjashep5264]

I think you guys over estimated Ovechkin quite a bit I think he’ll be in the 20 to 25 goal range this year, 22 if you need an exact number He’s got at least 2 more full seasons to catch Gretzky’s record (41 behind atm) and I think he’ll beat it But I think it’ll take him until after trade deadline of that last yr to do it. If not possibly be still under 10 goals short of it. If he’s less than 10 goals away I expect he’ll sign a cheap extension with the idea he’ll play 1 final season to beat that record

[@ML-my8qq]

Mitch for $9 and then one more guy at $4 is better. (I also hate the Leafs)

[@jakericcifit]

At the End of the day…we can’t have 4 players on the team making more than 11mill per year. Also marner is not worth 12mill per year.

[@adamn7777]

You maybe can but at least one of those guys should be a top of the league D. Paying a 2nd line winger 11+ per year is nuts

[@benoitrobitaille5235]

I’ll take 1 player actually worth 11 mil according to most other teams over Marner. I’ll take two guys worth 5.5 “ … “. I’ll take three guys worth 3.66 on average “…”. I’ll take four guys worth 2.75 on average “…”. I’ll take one 7 mil and 4 1 mil players according to most other teams over Marner. Etc. The problem isn’t Marner, the problem is Toronto massively overpaying their “stars”, the problem is Toronto not making the difference between a local star and an NHL Superstar, Tavares, Nylander and Marner are not NHL superstars why are they paid like it ?

[@frontside5]

if marner stays, you have two first line right wingers making somewhere in the range of 22-25 million per year. you dont need marner. 2 players at 6-7 million each is way better. bundle him with liligren, get a high end right shot D and a third line centre

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[@i.p.knightly149]

Keep Marner and sign Ogden once Tavares is off the books.

[@acalisal]

Leafs are going to have 20$ mil plus in cap space from 2 players after next year. So many opportunities!! 🎉

[@steve8803]

That's 1 roster spot at $12M vs 3 roster spots at $12M. Makes no sense. You still need to fill 2 roster spots in the former scenario. Should be more like Marner plus two plugs at $15.5M or O'Reilly, Marchessault and Bertuzzi at $15.5M.

[@ronproietti6050]

I say #8 scores 24 in 24 and 25 in 25 ,,It will take him 2 years,,,but I hope you guys are right and he puts this thing to bed this year !!!

[@mikeb.2925]

I don't think he gets the record this year but Ovi will be close enough that this time next off season he can formally announce his final farewell tour and he'll pass the record in November 2025 during his final season. He'll retire as the only 900 player. I think somewhere around 25 goals each of these next 2 seasons is right. The team around him is better which will rely on him less. They want each of these guys scoring 20 goals up and down the roster instead of counting on a 39 year old Ovechkin to score 50 each season.

[@amgm4824]

4:17 what's a converted 5-5 ? Can someone educate me what the converted part means

[@jaysleeper264]

I can see ovie continue to take small production steps down due to age. But i can also see the caps (a team that wasnt a real contender and only a playoff team by technicality and red wing collapse) just not giving af and making their entire identity the goal chase.

[@JJ............................]

If Matthews is so good, why does he need to play with a $12M playmaker? Likewise, the same with Nylander. Look at what the Pens did with Crosby and Malkin. Crosby played with guys like Dupuis, Kunitz, and Rust. Guentzel was only a rookie when they won their last Cup. If they pay Bob Ogden $12M, then he should be capable of making other players around him better similar to how Hyman and Nuge are much better playing with McDavid. I also look at what Mackinnon did with Drouin last year. It also helps that Rantanen is on his line, but Mack is the biggest reason for Drouin's success last year. If they get rid of Bob Ogden, are Matthews and Nylander capable of making other guys better like Crosby/Malkin and McDavid/Draisaitl? If both are worth over $11M, then you don't need a $12M playmaker to compliment either. They should still be able to produce if the Leafs go after two players worth $6M each, or one player worth $8M and another worth $4M.

[@alsantiago8094]

44 goals for OV are you on crack . He's scoring 21

[@anikinkhan]

4:09 It's a Marner contract year. Marner's going to play like he's starving and he wants to eat!! I think he's going to be a stellar freaking player this year for Leafs. And maybe perform in the playoffs. Also....When Muzzin was around Marner played harder and better. I'm not sure if that has anything to do with it or not. Just a side random thought.

[@ronproietti6050]

It WILL BE Jerry Berry the new coach who brings them the Leafs to the promise land...

[@JacksonSheppard-mq9gg]

Marner has the second most points in the playoffs out of the core 4

[@WalkableBulb905]

Most points out of the core 4

[@bryanwouters443]

was the worst player out the core 4 in the playoffs. and had a hissy fit on the bench🤣 Marner is too soft for the playoffs

[@JacksonSheppard-mq9gg]

@@bryanwouters443 he has the most points tho and it’s not like papi and nylander and taveres are the toughest guys on the team😂 I don’t think they should keep him at all but I don’t think the playoff performance is because of it it’s because you can’t pay 4 ppl 50% of the cap

[@justinmercado6515]

Hahaha...I love you guys!

[@ryanh1544]

Just because it's ridiculous to trade Matthews doesn't make moving a player with a full no move clause that said he wants to remain a leaf any more doable... Trade Nylander!

[@stug5041]

You could have marner or Tanev, OEL, and Matt Roy. I think I’ll take half a competent D core.

[@sebastiencarrieres8825]

His name was Bob Ogden.

[@deltagolavista1]

It’s not 3 or 4 guys. It’s 2 guys. It’s getting a first liner under contract for 9M and a second or third liner for $3M It’s either having just Marner, or Brady Tkachuk and Shane Pinto. That’s 99 points to a prorated 128 points.

[@miguelh4750]

2 really good players for 11 m

[@C3PO_YT]

I say either Tavares takes a huge pay cut or you trade him for a bottom 6 fwd

[@15CNickelson]

How on earth do you figure marner produces sooo much less than the other two in the playoffs? The team itself sucks in the playoffs. No one is performing well-enough

[@williamarmour1656]

Time to stop blaming anyone for anything... Just Fix your problem .. in the playoffs..

[@tdunph4250]

Ba Bagden would have had 110pts if not injured last season!

[@doug7170]

Please resign marner for 12 ×8 and taveras for 8×8

[@RoamHockey]

if they re-sign Tavares? they are out of their minds lol

[@dmonsef]

Leafs have gone from Keefe to Joe Smoe for coaching?! I'm sorry but Keefe was worse than Woodcroft was for the Oilers! Knoblauch was an unknown to most but he brought coaching elements to the Oilers that Woodcroft could never tap into. Looking at the Leafs, Keefe was not a good playoff coach, period! Berube does not put up with nonsense and makes sure his whole roster is committed to playing good team defense! The culture will change in that Leafs locker room with Berube, who I might add has Cup Final experience as a coach! I think Berube can change the team culture that we haven't seen since Pat Quinn coached the Leafs!

[@mikegravel5310]

Give you ghule+xehkaj +beck+1th 2026 for marner with 25%salary reduction

[@briand8043]

Don’t leafs still need to sign two forwards this off season?

[@umphstein4629]

Guaranteed 50 win season with him on roster, playoffs are about lucky bounces, inch either way, caps ran it back, several times 3 presidents Trophys . No trade clause was treeliving let it happen so go with your decision, you have it’s a tournament anything can happen

[@BrianFair1987]

Kyrou for bob Ogden straight up

[@mikelanglois1999]

Where's this great player I've been hearing so much about bob ogdon

[@dyll1375]

I love how he says 2 of the other players are more useful than bob or marner lol when poinrs wise Marner has been better than Mathews & Nylander. Marner during the playoffs has a 0.88 pp. Mathews has 0.87 & Nylander has 0.80. So points wise Marner is better. Nylander is the one you should have traded out of the big three

[@cbenjamin9220]

You guys seem like you actually like Marner now. Saying it's not his fault. What about the stuff you said about the last contract he signed and how he went about it.

[@joshuaness6783]

I am making Bob Ogden as My Pro in NHL 24

[@robertmcdaid746]

Bob Ogden IS the Problem....His game is suited for regular season ONLY as a Perimeter Player Only.......Bob is unwilling (Not Unable) to pay the price to go to the dirty areas when Spring arrives. At 11 million I want a player that will go to the hard areas. There are players much smaller in stature than Mitch, errrr I mean Bob that are willing to pay the price and are awarded for their efforts.....Oh and they aren't paid 11 million annually with most of the contract upfront in signing bonus oh and if they have a No-Trade clause.......it's maybe a 10 Team list..........Bob's clause I'm not going anywhere If I don't wanna Talk to my Agent and Daddy..........

[@robinirving8307]

Just for reference, $4.6 M per season gets you the likes of David Kampf , Ilya Samsonov and TJ Brodie , or their equivalents. I think I'll stick with Bob Ogden!!

[@roycef6632]

ovechkin will beat wayne this year 46 goals

[@kylehuartson9448]

Would you take Bon Ogden or 3x Ross Boston

[@jomh832]

That’s a lot of money for a player that he doesn’t do great on the playoffs. Why would you spend that much money when eventually you guys have to do a rebuild because players are going to get old player that I think is worth it it’s Austin Matthews.

[@jonjohnson1978.]

Two players at 6 million, one at 9 the other at 3 or 2 players on 12 million between them is far better than marner on 12 or three players on 4 Million...also as a caveat marner doesn't perform when it matters

[@ItsTheStateVsYou]

Ride it out for 1 more year..... 😬 Until Tavares contract is up to relief some cap room 🙃

[@ianespie1529]

The problem is Bob doesn't exist. You have Mitch. The only way to win a trade is to sign Marner and trade Nylander because Nylander has more value. 🖕🍁

[@thebeatleswin1]

Leaf fans are helpless man. “I would take a proven non factor in the playoffs over 3 players who could be better, Because like, Idk, No value in having cap space when you can have a guy who does nothing in the playoffs” Steve has cultivated a fanbase of hockey fans who have no idea what a good player looks like lmao, Now he has to deal with constant questions trying to defend bad players. Marner is a bad player.

[@valdizos]

Misleading!!! This is a conversation about Bob Ogdens contract. Lol. Also this was exactly what I said in my last comment about Bob. Who? And when? For Bob. I don't even think the management is dumb like Steve says I think they're clasping on straw to make this work. I think in their perspective theyve come close too many times to look for a new plan. Bc whether we like it or not, getting rid of Marner might make us wind up looking for a whole new rebuild.

[@alexmouton1010]

I'd love to hear more about "they've come close too many times to look for a new plan". Too close to what, exactly? The Leafs would still be solid even without Marner, why would they rebuild ??? Management is definitely dumb, they were handcuffed against the cap, and handed the cap increase to those same top players handcuffing the team.

[@valdizos]

They would need tl rebuild bc if they break what they have there is a risk they might end up with a really bad team and down another pawn. Theyve gambled a lot. Ive heard Steve say it before... how many forst round picks do they have left? And what assets do they really have? Nylander? Matthews is off the table. Tavares is out next year. Reilly??? They have almost nothing.

[@valdizos]

We can't just look at the short term, theres a long term to look at. I wouldnt be surprised if they trade Bob next year, bc Tavares is done next year. But running it back with a few tweaks actually really makes sense.

[@alexmouton1010]

@@valdizos suggesting a total rebuild because they traded one guy and still have a bunch of studs doesn't make much sense. This is also suggesting they get completely fleeced in a trade. Marner can still walk for nothing. Better hope they win it this year. They've tweaked it for years, and got some great performances from players they couldn't keep. Also, picking them up at the deadline isn't a great cost saving measure. And it doesn't matter if they still fail every year. Look how much Vegas paid for Alexander Holtz, or what they sold Logan Thompson for... I'm betting Tavares stays on a hometown discount. That'll free up some money, yes, but doesn't change anything this year. The best hope the Leafs have this year is that Tanev's arrival stabilizes the defence, and Woll stays healthy. It'll take another 82 games before we really find out. Just so we're clear, I'm in the rival camp being a Habs fan. I've actually found myself cheering the Leafs on in recent times. Not in 2021, although TML should have destroyed the Habs - defeat had been accepted before the series even started. That never happens against Toronto or Boston.

[@billk516]

Close to what exactly?

[@bpastorb]

Scott I am 100% taking a shot at you.. Where were you the last 8 years? Mitch Marner maybe worth around 4 mill for his regular season performance to go holiday during the playoffs when the other 4 million dollar players start playing better than him.

[@1967wazzy]

i say screw three for 4 i would do two for 6

[@47moochy32]

You win with depth

[@NathanExplosion1989]

It is absurd how blind you guys are to how terrible Treliving is. He's acted EXACTLY how he did in Calgary. He's going to ruin you guys.

[@miguelh4750]

Ovechkin 27G this year

[@jlove8445]

Is Bob Ogden soft like bunk on a hot summer night, or is Bobby gonna pump weight all summer with Gary Roberts? or is he the type of guy to go drink Pina Colada's and some fruity drinks in Spain and come to camp as flimsy as he left it the last time? Concensus is Bob Ogden needs to hit the road.. Stevie Dangle is right