The Real Reason Eric Forman Was Replaced On That 70s Show

[@Nerdstalgic]

Who was fired or replaced on a show that we should dive into next?

[@jr2904]

Can't remember the character's name, but the blonde sister from Roseanne. Sarah Chalke replaced her

[@Ubritoons96]

The first 3 Power Rangers cast members? Granted, I think most people DO know what happened to them behind the scenes, but I’ve never seen a single KZbin video solely dedicated to that topic. Edit: Ask & ye shall receive. XD

[@ChrisSealy1997]

Joseph gordon Levitt left the sixth season of 3rd rock from the sun in order to focus on college you should do a video on that show next also Eric and Kelso were the drake and Josh of that 70s show it wasn't the same without them at all

[@jhsrt985]

Maybe the chris tucker Friday fiasco. They gave a few different answers over the years but I think it was mainly$ and chris was an international star at that point, so still$

[@jhsrt985]

@@Ubritoons96 good choice

[@Frigidevil]

The worst part about Randy wasn't just that they tried to slide him in as an Eric replacement. It's that he immediately starts dating Donna and they continue hanging out in Eric's house!! Like damn, no wonder Kitty was so cold to Donna.

[@mgofficial5470]

Exactly and they started making out in his garage which was mad disrespectful

[@blackpoptart4781]

What I noticed from Randy is that his character was actually supposed to be a combination of Eric and Kelso since both of them weren't there when he was starring in the series.

[@ryancallsin]

Pretty sure they needed him to date Donna since Jackie’d already been with every dude in the crew and he would have been 4th 😬 “Damn, Jackie!”

[@sybergaus]

@@ryancallsin "whooore"

[@johnsheetz6639]

I'm surprised red didn't kick his ass!

[@LlibertarianGalt]

Absolute joke they continued without his character. He didn't make the show on his own but without him they didn't have a show.

[@Nerdstalgic]

So true

[@yt-sh]

I just got annoyed with the replacement

[@radhiadeedou8286]

It's like if a group of kids pretend to still be playing football when the kid who owns the ball takes it and goes home

[@LlibertarianGalt]

@@radhiadeedou8286 Reminds me of in Tenacious D when Kyle goes to the party on his own and tries to play the bands song, and half of it's there but because it's missing the other half it just sounds like ass and everyone throws stuff at him

[@macewbee]

Sad but true

[@WaddIes]

Topher Grace was the only normal actor working on the show and the only one who didnt give into scientology

[@tobiaslawrence8928]

What about the actor who played 'fez'?

[@rorylynch7775]

​@@tobiaslawrence8928he dated Demi Lovato, Mandy Moore and Lindsay Logan when they were all underage and he was in his 20s. Lovato in particular is pretty bad, as she was 17 and he was 29. He may not be a scientologist, but he still isn't a good person

[@tiagomota4734]

@@rorylynch7775wow ok

[@SOSO_CREPITUS]

@@rorylynch7775 proof?

[@Barrythebarnabas]

@SOSOLRAK it’s called google dude. The time you took to write that comment you could’ve just educated yourself 🤦‍♂️

[@martino5742]

I like how they all just kept hanging out at Erics house even after he left

[@NickErrrr]

That never made a lick of sense to me lmfao

[@TheSleepinInsomniac]

well hyde still lived there so

[@julesmasseffectmusic]

@@NickErrrr Really bcause in high school my friends were more welcome at my place than i was and i felt more welcome at thiers and we all felt teh same way.

[@alexpollock6932]

Red made a comment about that

[@Romy---]

@@NickErrrr literally HYDE lived there, and in the basement too. So it made perfect sense.

[@trinaq]

They tried to use Randy to replace both Eric and Kelso, despite the two characters being drastically different. Big mistake, huge!

[@Nerdstalgic]

HUGE

[@yt-sh]

That's what I was gonna say

[@macewbee]

A huge mistake

[@notsojoerogan]

@@macewbee Huge mistake, big!

[@skylerloggins4902]

HUGE MISTAKE

[@sataniagidney9695]

One note since you mentioned “no drama”: Topher Grace was noted as often feeling excluded by the other 3 male leads by production staff and producers. Masterson, Kutcher, and Valderrama were genuinely close friends on and off set. They literally opened a bar and restaurant together. Grace wasn’t really involved in those relationships. Grace often feeling left out by his costars, minus Prepon who he built a close relationship with due to being in so many scenes together. It wasn’t active hazing or conflict so technically not drama related, but when you have someone who already wants to branch outside of their work and then add in a sense of not belonging or being “othered”, then it makes a lot of sense why Grace left the show.

[@d4rksonic474]

@@langleyh8243 Well what is true that he basically left to make Spider-Man 3. He had scheduling conflicts and really, really wanted to be Venom.

[@d4rksonic474]

@@langleyh8243 The movie wasn't even bad at all. It was just not what Raimi envisioned. And granted, Venom was writen really poorly in the movie, but that was the only thing he was forced to put in - and for something he didn't understand, it was alright. But Grace did a good job with the given script - Dude even had the balls to admit, that Hardy's Venom is much better. Not many actors do that.

[@supersqueak]

Its a good thing he didnt fit in with them since Masterson is a serial rapist and Valderama has a bad reputation for grooming minors.

[@beammeier4997]

Thank you! If only this clickbait clip would've done a fraction of your research, it might have been worthwhile.

[@kjk7611]

Not really. Actors are professionals. When what's her name walked up that magical staircase into limbo (FAMILY MATTERS), Darius McCrary (EDDIE WINSLOW) said that he had no real sorrow for her. "That's the biz & she knew that." These ppl have their own lives, mgt. firms, agencies, assistants, handlers, etc. They see each other 12hrs/5 days, weekly. Grace just saw an opportunity to jump into movies.

[@hunterhudgens4185]

Give it a few more decades and make a show called “that 2000’s show.” Where Eric becomes the new red Forman Edit: it’s been over a year, and still, almost daily I get a reply telling me there’s a reboot.

[@killertrill8020]

Or a more awkward chill like redforeman

[@gilliganallmighty3]

If they were to follow the pattern they can air the pilot in 7 years.

[@Gurra88]

Maybe it would be more successful than the train wreck that was That 80s show

[@alexandraboucher1791]

@@Gurra88 the only thing I remember about that show was someone punching a hole on the wall while wearing punk paraphernalia

[@Super12212012]

If they did an equivalent of that 70s show today it would be set in 2001.

[@YoungBlaze]

Short story: he wasnt fired, wasnt cancelled, he was ready to do other things

[@Will_kid_cortez]

@@Hillsman001 same I have never watched that last episode lol

[@martin4374]

And now he's doing Home Economics.

[@wolwerine0007]

Na he was plain selfish. He left the show which gave him his break into Television & made him rich. He only carried for his success. Not what happens to the show without him. Again he wasn't fired, wasn't cancelled, he just plain selfish. Would it have been so so bad if he had just finished the series ?

[@Garrillagamer]

@@wolwerine0007 he might have just not been enjoying doing the show anymore, you don't know he was being selfish and sitting there saying he is because he didn't force himself to stay and finish a show is the definition of selfish

[@wolwerine0007]

​@@Garrillagamer The show had run its course and was going to end one way or the other. He was selfish because he did not end the show with dignity he wanted to jump the boat and let the show sink. Yes he most certainly was selfish. That is just my opinion. Not forcing you to agree with me.

[@angelcitystudio]

He QUIT! He was not fired.

[@Number6_]

Grace under fire!

[@evda4919]

That’s what I was thinking there’s evidence of that and he’s said so himself

[@vaastafraja5685]

That's i disliked this video.. the thumbnail is misleading.

[@Live2ride2live54321]

No one said he was fired…

[@angelcitystudio]

@@Live2ride2live54321 Might wanna read the thumbnail... 🤦‍♀

[@lfgmets49]

Even though he might not be the most popular afterwards from the show because everybody else got so famous til the day I die I will always say I think he’s the best actor on the show The way his mannerisms are and how he actually acts like with a kid back then it’s just really really good I don’t think there’s anybody else in the world I could’ve played Eric Foreman better than Topher Grace

[@bluz1864]

Agreed. I think the problem is that Topher didn't play Eric. He WAS Eric

[@jackierosas9593]

His reactions to other characters when he isn’t the focus really sets him apart as well. It makes perfect sense why Raimi chose him to play Eddie Brock/Venom in Spider Man 3 bc he probably wanted a mirror/foil to Peter in as many ways as possible. Topher Grace could just have easily played Peter Parker, the nerdy Everyman type. But I think that was lost a little bit in the execution even tho superficially it’s pretty obvious.

[@kmhkennedy]

B Luz yeah, he never stopped being Eric, in every movie. He didn’t really act, kinda did, but not really

[@ChrisSealy1997]

Eric Foreman was literally the Tommy Solomon of that 70s. He was awkward with girls, but he was always a good at heart boy in the end. Just like Tommy was.

[@weegeeproductions2999]

Holy shit. There wasn't a single comma, or period, or anything in that. I thought I was having a stroke.

[@larissaorozco3255]

They also changed so much at once donna other half is missing and after 5 episodes is already dating someone else. They build up Jackie and Hyde relationship just to have them break up and over it in 2 episodes. Hyde is married and over Jackie in 2 episodes. Red and Kitty were great on the show but the purpose of why all these above 18 year Olds are still in thier basement didn't make a whole lot of sense. Ashton Kutcher was a nice guy and tried to stay and help them transition but still felt worse when he left.

[@Nerdstalgic]

All so true

[@ForProfit-x100]

It makes perfect sense that Donna moved on to the next one,she's a feminist lol

[@GuessWhoRetro]

They were still in their basement because Hyde still lived there

[@DAK4Blizzard]

This gem from episode 8.06 sums it up. Jackie: Do you think something is going on between Donna and Randy? Steven what do you think? Hyde: I have a definite opinion on this... I don't care.

[@bangitybangbabang]

It's like they made every possible worst decision

[@pahvi3]

I'm happy you addressed the reality that despite not being a huge movie star a-lister, Topher Grace is more or less where he maybe wanted to be to begin with. Sometimes I get annoyed by how the media (and perhaps people in general) pretends that anything but becoming a household name in Hollywood is a career failure.

[@christianc.christian5025]

It’s easier for people to feel that way than to have to admit that even the 8th rung of television actors have a *MUCH* better job than almost every other person in the audience.

[@darrengaither3428]

I feel the same way

[@Rorschachqp]

Well said.

[@ellisdicaprio]

And who wants paparazzi following them everywhere they go

[@cheut]

I love how you put fired in the thumbnail and then admit he wasn’t fired. Super honest and not at all clickbait. Good one!

[@vicmartone]

Fastest way to know a channel is garbage

[@Helagandshunter]

@@vicmartone channel that has genuinely interesting and accurate information uses a clickbait thumbnail? garbage i guess

[@JP..5-.]

@@Helagandshunter click bait is a deceptive tactic.... garbage

[@Helagandshunter]

@@JP..5-. but the channel is pretty alright. if you're gonna clutch your pearls at the idea of a youtuber making a clickbait thumbnail you are gonna have a REALLY bad time on youtube.

[@JP..5-.]

@@Helagandshunter what percentage are you encountering? There's more than enough quality content out there not needing a click bait thumbnail to retain a loyal audience.

[@adamhbrennan]

TLDW: Topher Grace just wanted to do other things. Nothing “weird” or interesting about it.

[@merminotaur]

Yeah, I was really disappointed by this video. It's the most benign reason why he left, so the title is grossly click-baity.

[@adamhbrennan]

@@merminotaur Almost never disappointed by him; yeah, the clickbaity title is what makes it problematic.

[@ashleyjaderose]

Thank you guys. Saved me from watching the whole thing lol

[@TheDawnTreader1]

@@ashleyjaderose I wish I caught this message before I watched the whole thing

[@BBXcompany]

yeah the title made me think something new had been unearthed from an interview or article that we didnt alreayd know 😒

[@fazormcghee7936]

I forgot how hilarious Eric was. King of sarcasm.

[@Seryma86]

The cast in general was just perfect, but Topher truly shined as Eric

[@jerrimenard3092]

He reminds me of Bob Newhart.

[@nacoran]

If Donna had left with Eric they might have been able to keep the series going, but the whole series was about their romance. They 'betrayed' that romance. They could have inserted a new couple, or moved the focus to other characters. It's too bad they wrote Donna's sister out after one episode. Having younger siblings ready to move into the lead rolls as older ones moved away could have been a way to more organically preserve the show.

[@seth1665]

donna and eric in africa lmao. I think i would watch that but it would end up being a drama without kelso or jackie.

[@patrickstewart3446]

That’s what happened when Ron Howard left Happy Days. They had other characters ready to fill the void. It’s one of the very few shows that survived the departure of it’s lead character for more than a season.

[@blowc1612]

It’s called that 70s show it was gonna end at the end of the decade. It’s a show not supposed to continue. It’s supposed to capture the decades spirit. It was a great show and ended at the right time.

[@jjayjae_]

@@blowc1612 They’re not saying the show could have gone on longer, they’re saying the show would’ve had a better final season if they focused on the characters that already existed and gave them more of a spotlight instead of focusing on a completely new one created to replace Eric.

[@blowc1612]

@@jjayjae_ uhh I think they went the right way as the finale sums it all up correctly…. As the shows strong ending message and a great theme to tie the show…. Life moves on no matter who you experience life with for a moment.

[@mar10ssj1]

Good for Eric. He's not a Hollywood superstar but he's a recognizable figure.

[@Krillinish2]

Topher

[@channelname4331]

He was in spiderman 3

[@jesterssketchbook]

"eric" lololol

[@thejoker7239]

😂😂

[@ILOVEDRAGO]

It´s Topher, not Eric. Eric lived in the 70s and was a beloved character. Topher is a real life person and we hate his guts for quitting the show.

[@TrulyMademoizelle]

Eric is the heart of that 70s show ❤

[@EnergeticEskimo]

The WEIRD reason why he left: to persue his career like a normal adult

[@Aggnog]

This show is the only reason any of these actors have a career to begin with.

[@joyw3327]

@Don K a few movies

[@joyw3327]

@Don K I didn't really follow him. I barely even watched That 70s show when it was on. I watched reruns on the Laff channel a few years ago. I knew he was in Predator and Valentine's Day only because I saw the movies.

[@Jared_Wignall]

@Don K he’s done more indie films than blockbuster films and has also gone back to doing TV.

[@user-yn2sr8cf8g]

@Don K The only thing I've seen him in so far is Spiderman 3 as Eddie Brock.

[@nickc1603]

Do a video on Malcolm in the Middle please! That show was my favorite growing up, and is still extremely watchable. Top tier show for sure.

[@Nerdstalgic]

Great suggestion!

[@straightupnrg5228]

@@Nerdstalgic yes yes yes yes

[@sarahleeann7208]

My second favorite show after that 70s show ❤

[@Sol-Butkis]

Frankie Muniz is a sad story apparently he doesn't even remember back when Malcolm in the Middle was made. Something about seizures plus there was the Scandal about domestic abuse with his girlfriend. Still love the show. Bryan Cranston at his best before he went bad

[@sarahleeann7208]

@@Sol-Butkis I forget if it was rock climbing or mountain- or dirt-biking or what, but I heard he can't remember any of his time on the show because of having multiple concussions

[@nicolewhite6030]

I respect that. And yeah he's not a huge name but still recognizable when you see him in anything where he has a cameo like in Workaholics

[@williammiller496]

Brah? Topher has been in so many shows/movies he's a pretty big name

[@superjumpbros64]

@@williammiller496 he's Venom!!!

[@MrThrodio]

I think Kittys feeling towards Randy and the Donna/Randy relationship is how we all felt about it, and the last season for that matter.

[@officialniktheking6891]

“Eric”, “kelso” and “red” carried the show on their back for 7 years. And when 2 of those people left, it’s obvious they didn’t have a back up plan to fill that huge void. Randy guy is a horrible actor, making Fez out to be a crazy ass perv and creating new relationships out of nothing in the final season was just awful

[@zapkvr]

And Fez gettin busy with Caroline was sick. She was a mental patient

[@American-Zero]

Not to mention they almost immediately paired Randy with Donna. They tried to make Randy a combination of Eric and Kelso and the fans rightfully shit all over it. It's their way of saying, Ashton and Kutcher have left the show and this is their replacement. At least Topher came back at the final episode while Randy disappeared.

[@1qstudios]

@@American-Zero Ashton AND Kutcher? :p

[@lordkiza8838]

@@1qstudios can't be beleive Kutcher left after that too smh Ashton followed quickly behind him.

[@earlyman7439]

@@lordkiza8838 they were my favorite characters :(

[@harrisonmccartney4878]

It's never been more apparent how casting the right people can pay off tremendously. Topher Grace as Eric brought a timid, do-the-right-thing personality to the cast alongside the rebellious but down-to-earth Hyde, the clueless but popular Kelso, the slow but clever Fez, the spoiled brat Jackie, and the cynical but uplifting Donna. They're such wildly different characters, and yet their personalities compliment each other because they each have different perspectives that enlighten each other to what they're missing behind their own view of the world. Randy, by comparison, just doesn't belong. He's basically another Kelso, but since Kelso fills the role of being a dumb ladies' man, Randy has nothing else to offer. While Kelso manages to still be lovable despite his narcissism and flagrant misogyny, Randy is just an out of place jackass. It's not even that he was forced into the show to replace Eric; had they started the series with him, it would have been an entirely different show, and the chemistry of these wildly disparate personalities would be ever so slightly wrong because there's a duplicate of Kelso's unique perspective in the mix.

[@thisisnotthechannelyourelo407]

yeah the show sucked without Eric =\ he added a lot of dichotomy, being one of the few meek characters, just to be replaced with another jerk.

[@Nerdstalgic]

Agree with this

[@danirwin2391]

Well worded and true , wellsaid

[@kitkatkruncher22]

Just don't whip out your dichotomy in front of other people

[@Mightyjordy]

“Why they fired Eric foreman” Tldw: they didn’t

[@Mightyjordy]

@@hoebywan I think if we’re speaking technically then he technically was not fired.

[@girliboi]

@@hoebywan except a show doesn't "fire" a character.. . they write it out. bottom line: topher was over it and left. neither he nor his character were "fired".

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

@@Mightyjordy That's a bit like saying that I was fired after giving notice and no longer showing up for work.

[@blowc1612]

@@Mightyjordy he didn’t get fired, he we r out to do films. He even returned to the final episodes this channel is dumb.

[@blowc1612]

@@girliboi he wasn’t written off as he returned to the finale and Eric’s character was a big part of the show still as many of the plots of episodes still revolves around him.

[@m1str3]

when eric left i did too. 😩

[@1UpBoi]

I always assumed it was because Topher was too busy filming Spider-Man 3 at the time Edit: oh nevermind, I was right lol Edit (again): after recent news, i realize topher really made the best choice by leaving and turned out to be the only decent person in the cast

[@madcircle0461]

that's what actually happened

[@American-Zero]

I think he was meant to come back after Spider Man 3 filming..but he decided to go out and explore more roles and decided not to come back, hence Eric breaking up with Donna offscreen while he was in Africa.

[@KibblezanBitz]

Showrunners: I'm gonna put some dirt in your eye.

[@sirmel11]

That's true?

[@charlespuruncajas9663]

You’re trash Brock

[@KJ-tz7vc]

When Eric came back for the final episode, Randy was promptly shoved aside with little more than a cameo appearance.

[@SashaElle14300]

I never seen any of the episodes without Topher 😂

[@jacobnankervis2537]

I have its not worth it

[@brandknee]

@@jacobnankervis2537 agreed. I usually skip those seasons 🤣

[@Kreal-xd2xo]

You’re both crazy

[@HailAnts]

The only one worth watching is the series finale (because Grace is in it). And even that isn't great, but if you're a fan you'll still enjoy it..

[@chasekozak7206]

Your not missing much. Rewatching the final season, I felt bad for Josh Myers as Randy. It’s not that he didn’t do the part well, he just got the impossible task of trying to replace Kelso and Eric (arguable to the two most popular stars on the show) at the same time

[@ValentinaTepedino]

“The «weird» reason…” - the actor wanted to pursue new projects. Yeah, super weird.

[@BoleDaPole]

Clickbait af. These youtubere are so pathetic.

[@wolwerine0007]

Not weird the Selfish Reason.

[@josephwatkins527]

@@wolwerine0007 not really selfish you’re silly

[@wolwerine0007]

@@josephwatkins527 Why cause I am Honest about the truth ?

[@josephwatkins527]

@@wolwerine0007 there’s no truth people should be able to do what they want

[@camelopardalis84]

Prognosis: This video is about how Eric Forman left the show, slightly changed his name, drastically changed his appearance, and went on to become a doctor working with some Gregory House, MD.

[@freddogrosso9835]

It all makes sense now...

[@ErinLastNameRedacted]

As a fan of both shows, I love this comment.

[@camelopardalis84]

@@ErinLastNameRedacted @Fredo Grosso Only when watching this video I thought "Eric Forman. Eric. Forman. Isn't that the name of that character on House MD? Only ... spelt differently?"

[@edgardramirez7218]

I think if he would have finished the series, he would be in more blockbuster hits

[@georgfriedrichhandel4390]

Eventually, the 70s were going to end which meant that the series - whose storyline took place between 1976-79 - was going to end also. They stretched three years into seven seasons. Even if Topher had not left when he did, the series would not have lasted much longer anyway.

[@0412lennon]

never understood why they didn't try to venture into the 80s with the same cast. following the end of season 4 it should've been 1980 so at that point they should've retitled the show that 80's show with this cast. probably wouldve had new creative avenues. maybe the failure of the original that 80's show left the writers stuck in 1970s mode for the remainder of the series.

[@john091077]

76 to 79 is four years.

[@georgfriedrichhandel4390]

@@john091077 I know that but the series lasted 8 seasons.

[@dsmkrotj4990]

@@0412lennon Fox,actually tried that 80's show it boombed.

[@dsmkrotj4990]

@@john091077 There,is a theory as to why it stretched into 8 seasons Topher Grace's character in the episode about the Tornado prom never made it to the prom and was in a coma so from here on in it the entire show was suppose to be his memories .

[@acciomegapint2373]

I know that many people dislike Eric as a character but I honestly love his questionable behaviour and his weird but often genius lines. You cannot change my mind.

[@AtlisDe]

Seriously some interactions he has with red are just too good. Just the natural progression of being kinda afraid of this authority figure to poking them at times as he got older reminds me of how it works in real life 😅

[@gregorycyr9272]

Not trying to change your mind about Eric.I thought he was good looking man.

[@Ulyyyyy]

Really? I don’t know anyone who disliked Eric’s character

[@JayNayMay]

No one disliked Eric.

[@kate2create738]

Who disliked Eric? Always thought he was perhaps the most relatable person on the show.

[@nancymcmonarch]

Sounds like he had more sense than the other cast members. A big challenge for all teen shows is that teens grow up and graduate high school. And when that happens in dreary little suburbs, they tend not to hang around town. It wasn't realistic for that group of kids to stay in Wisconsin, getting high in the basement for years on end.

[@vahlen5281]

True, it also does not help that most popular shows clearly outstay their welcome and go on far longer than they should. In the last two season, the actors had so visibly aged, them still playing high school kids was comical.

[@floogelhornzzz4770]

@@vahlen5281: Like _The Jeffersons._ It went on far too long, long after everyone stopped watching.

[@frankdees507]

@@floogelhornzzz4770True. Or good times after they killed off James the daddy. JJ became the complete focus, but it was never the same without hardcore James Evans threatening to always take his belt off and beat some butt. He was the Red Foreman of that show. After that the writing was bad, and the kids started obviously having more teenage issues like Michael joining gangs, Thelma’s problems with boyfriends, and many things that James was known for keeping in check.

[@MikeinAustin]

Your “weird” reason wasn’t so weird. He was financially set. Henry Winkler left Happy Days for the same reason.

[@radhiadeedou8286]

A little bit of clickbait doesn't hurt

[@Wallychans]

Slightly diff...Winkler was scripted as a side character and Henry didn’t expect to come into fame the way he did. The fact his character stole the spotlight was infuriating to other cast members who were written in as lead roles. In THIS case it was the opposite, Eric Forman was the lead roll and the actor was becoming upset that side characters were stealing the spotlight (Kelso and Fez most specifically). Ego plays a huge roll with these Hollywood celebs, especially when they are already financially set, like you said. They are no longer there to make money, they are now on TV to feed their EGO and perceived value as a human. So, in short, Eric was getting sidelined by that 70’s show version of The Fonz and decided to find a spotlight elsewhere. Worked out to his benefit too, in the end he showed that the show only worked because of him, which boosted his stick as an actor imo...

[@MikeinAustin]

@@Wallychans oh. I thought he hated Water Skiing over sharks. 😃. Didn’t Ron Howard leave Happy Days for the only reason to become a director? I mean nobody else on that show was worth watching after the two main characters left but there we were with joanie and cha chi being the main characters.

[@zapkvr]

Winkler wanted to direct. The problem is he stank at it. The same thing happened to Tim Considine on My three sons. I saw Winklers first movie Heroes. It was rubbish

[@zapkvr]

@@Wallychans *shtick*

[@radhiadeedou8286]

When are they gonna learn that when the lead actor leaves the show has to end? At least they realized josh meyers couldn't be Eric, no one other than Topher grace can

[@Nerdstalgic]

Topher is the only Eric Forman

[@sirmel11]

Not sure if the show has to end when someone leaves but it can be awkward.

[@ErinLastNameRedacted]

It’s okay if you know which characters are the most necessary. Grey’s Anatomy has so many characters that it didn’t destroy the entire show every time one left (except maybe Derek for me 😆). It was okay for characters on House to come and go as long as House was still there. But if the show’s character makes the show what it is, and the show has been centered around them the whole time, they need to end the series if that actor leaves. You don’t continue with The Office when the boss leaves! That would be like if Amy Poehler left Parks and Recreation, and they tried to have the show without Leslie Knope! And there’s nothing more insulting to an audience than a replacement character. Did they really think RANDY would make us care less about Eric leaving? Did they actually think we would just immediately like him and accept that he was a part of the group? And recasting should only be allowed on soap operas!

[@radhiadeedou8286]

@@sirmel11 the main character isn't just someone

[@radhiadeedou8286]

@@rmnffx never saw cheers. Law and order is a completely different kind of show, I'd say the case they're working is the main character, we don't really know anything about the detectives and we don't care

[@Dan_Ben_Michael]

Topher Grace was maligned as up himself and thought he was better than his costars, but he’s been vindicated by history because he was smart to distance himself from the others and their questionable activities.

[@sugarysaturn3597]

Randy annoyed the living crap out of me, totally put the nail in the coffin for the last season. It's like he was trying so hard to be funny and a part of the gang in every scene and just fell flat.

[@ronnickels5193]

Sorta like the new kid on The Brady Bunch

[@joeybanks18]

I can't blame randy, he had a Giants shoes to fill, 7 great seasons then suddenly everything changed an he had to makeup for lost Time, show probably would have been better without randy an just focused on the remaining group without Eric around but hindsights 20/20

[@user-mb9nm7bq5e]

Which is weird cause I actually liked him on madtv (sue me I was 13 at the time lol). And he’s Seth Meyers brother who was funny on snl. But damn I hated randy

[@vazjc]

Was one of the fans that didn't see the last season. But having watched a few reruns of it, I'd have to go with his one liners. Just the worst.

[@WrestlingErnestHemingway]

The guy they introduced at the ending of the season Eric left I don't know why they killed him off. He would have been fine and much better than this bad acting Randy with the stupid Bee Gees hair.

[@amberhoward7807]

I love that Topher took the leap and left for his own ambitions! Hate how the rest of the show went... but it's not his actual fault. We loved this show for the characters, but mostly for Eric's point of view as you stated and when he left there was no show even if we really loved the other characters! But I have also loved him in everything else he's been in and yes even him as Venom!

[@Coizerino]

Because Topher knew what a shitshow the rest of the cast was

[@larissaorozco3255]

I remember trying to watch the episodes and hating them. It kind of like a betrayal to have this character that they make out to be perfect take over Eric's roles in situations. The audience liked Eric because he was flawed, and just like with Two and a Half Men it was like they were getting revenge on the actor by replacing them with the perfect person.

[@sirmel11]

The show probably went on for too long. Actors leave when shows get too long. The creator really had something against Charlie. The show didn't work without him.

[@martinsmith6342]

@@sirmel11 I absolutely agree!

[@Trollbane96]

It was almost sickening how hard they tried to shove Randy down your throat. I remember when i first started watching some final season episodes and was just like *"WTF does everyone love this guy for? I don't get it?"* He was unfunny and all the other characters thought he was the best thing since sliced bread. Terrible combo.

[@FyeRye]

Eric is literally the only reason I watch this show.. he’s a character that nobody else can or even be anything like Eric. He was like meant for this show... I think all the actors/actresses were good but I think season 8 was a horrible season.. just felt forced

[@CaptainJackSawyer]

That 70s Show would have been far better off not replacing Eric, but focusing on the others instead. Randy was a jump the shark moment. It's ironic they did an episode where Fes talks about the Happy Days episode that ended the show's life. History definitely repeated itself here. If I wasn't such a Mila Kunis fan I would have stopped watching as soon as they introduced him.

[@TrickArrow]

Topher has mentioned he is purposefully avoiding big budget riles. That he prefers plays or smaller roles. He took on Eddu Brock in Spiderman out of being a fan; and made an exception.

[@mew10521]

I can understand that

[@amysmileyreid95]

He wasn’t fired. He needed the time off to film Spider-Man 3, in which he played Eddie Brock. And unfairly got some amount of shit for it. Sure he wasn’t Tom Hardy but he wasn’t bad

[@dennydarkko]

I thought the only dumb thing about his performance was his size, other than that he did fine, good motive, good voice and outfits, just should’ve had some muscles

[@WiredLain_]

@@dennydarkko nah, i didn’t mind his size, i liked him in the role.

[@cnote2458]

I dont think he done anything wrong. But I think he should never of played Eddie Brock. And the writing for the character was really weak. They tried keeping it as basic as possible. And made Grace's acting look so average. Like there was not any depth to him. They just gave him an orgins story on bitterness with nothing in between. Not a lot you can really do with that. But I watched him in BlackKKKlansman and thought he was amazing in it. And it felt like the part he played was actually written for him he played it that well.

[@Imzadi76]

He was gracious enough after his contract ended with season six to do another season. It was obvious they had no idea what to do with the characters and especially Eric. They should have ended the series with season 7. But I understand why they continued, it was money and payed for a lot of people employees.

[@ca8824]

Dude was a great actor and hilarious on this show. He got screwed over with the character they made for him in Spiderman 3

[@Sacredsnow2]

Have you seen black klansman? David Duke is a great character and he plays it perfectly. A fantastic movie all around.

[@jakedawg253]

He was perfect in Predators

[@elijahcovington572]

@@Sacredsnow2 facts

[@raymondsykes2954]

This was by far one of those shows, that'll never happen again. Just like the office. It can't be replaced or remade. It made us actually fall in love with the characters and care. Anyone who grew up with all this stuff, we are truly the lucky ones.

[@amandafrancois1536]

Except they are bringing it back minus Masterson

[@SuperSPatrick]

lol Except The Office WAS a remake in the first place

[@overcomerbtboj]

@@SuperSPatricklol you’re right 🤣😂🤣

[@batsonelectronics]

Mash, Dukes of Hazard, 3rd rock, friends, big bang theory, original Magnum PI, all had that same appeal. I am happy I grew up in the 70's and 80's.

[@KikysVision]

Is “Everybody Hates Chris” worth a break down 😬

[@pauldecoster]

I agree

[@lordkiza8838]

It was good what happen

[@olivia.-5878]

yes please

[@MinorKey135]

You don’t even have to ask lol

[@kakamaru5]

100% is. Top 5 sitcom of the 2000s.

[@CM-xy7uk]

Surprised you didn’t mention the fact that the Laurie actress was changed in the later seasons due to her personal life issues and wasn’t mentioned or acknowledged at all when you talked about the producers considering doing the same thing with Eric’s character. I remember being confused for a while as a kid about who the knew actress was

[@poopoogigolo]

I'm glad someone mentioned this, because I thought the same thing. They totally pulled an Aunt Vivian with Laurie's character

[@Cavemanner]

Lisa Robin Kelley ended up having a super tragic life. Sucks that it had to affect the show the way it did; I always loved her performances.

[@youngcity4241]

Andrew Caver did she pass away

[@rararasputin8608]

@@youngcity4241 The original actress fell apart due to drugs and died of combined drug intoxication days after checking into rehab.

[@jello75146]

The actress had a drug problem!

[@_MasterLink_]

It's interesting how similar their characters are to their real life personalities, even if not direct and obvious. But just the people themselves. Topher Grace ended up being the actual good person with a good heart, but the actor who played Hyde (I know his name, just not giving his name space) ended up actually being the literal POS. Kelso and Jackie actually being romantically involved in real life and splitting up (just like the show!). The entire show was foreshadowing their future.

[@jariuswilliams1296]

I'm glad Topher made the decision he wanted, and appreciate all the time he gave the show. It just sucks that the last season of That 70's Show wasn't that good.

[@Wallychans]

IMO it started going downhill during season 6 anyways. Watchable but nowhere near the same quality as the earlier seasons.

[@Matt-cr4vv]

Happens fairly often in a lot of great shows unfortunately.

[@rockinHurley777]

@Wallychans yea it really does get bad.

[@MrPhilm00r]

His comedic timing on that show was top notch. I also loved him, everyone really, in Take Me Home Tonight.

[@Cavemanner]

I was too young to pay attention to public discourse on it when it came out, but I've always felt like that movie gets seriously overlooked. I don't remember it that well but I did watch it 4 times in the week I had it rented so it must have been mad decent at least.

[@mazz85-]

Nope, didint work for my taste at all. Danny Masterson was way better ^^

[@TheCoolOwen]

Gopher Trace WAS that 70s show

[@derealized797]

What I found the strangest, was that they all still hung out in his basement and his house with him not only gone, but they had some new dork in his place. If it were at least a character that had been introduced seasons earlier then maybe it would have not felt as weird. But they still should have otherwise just ended it instead of putting that new guy there like a replacement. I mean, 8 seasons in? It made it feel like the show was just dead.

[@isaaccruz8131]

Such a classic show, a genuine disappointment what happened in the last season

[@trinaq]

I agree, they should have finished after Season 7, in my opinion!

[@Nerdstalgic]

Agree agree

[@IanCookUS]

one of those shows like Scrubs where "the last season? what season?" is the answer

[@noordhuismees]

@@IanCookUS In the case of That 70's Show, I'd say just watch the first 7 seasons and then the finale of season 8. I quite liked the finale, and felt that the rest of the season was very unnecessary and dissatisfying.

[@martinsmith6342]

I agree.

[@canuck21]

Based on this video, you'd think Suzanne Somers only job after leaving Three's Company was her stint as a Thighmaster spokesperson, but she had another successful TV show later on that lasted 7 seasons.

[@haveanicedave1551]

Step by Step. I remember she did another series after Three's Company, She's the Sheriff.

[@cheyg4739]

Also Suzanne Somers made A LOT of money off of thigh master. Nothing to scoff at

[@lazarus792]

The "weird" reason was not weird. He just didn't want to do it anymore

[@doscaminos204]

It’s also good how he didn’t get stuck in Eric Foreman’s persona. Other actors like the Seinfeld cast, Frankie Muniz in MITM, Matthew Perry from Friends, or Daniel Radcliffe as Harry Potter weren’t so lucky. I was surprised how his nice guy Everyman character from that 70s show went to him playing the villain in some of his work. Really good actor.

[@jwood8769]

Eric foreman and Donda is the most relatable teenager puppy love shown on television.

[@Cagebreaker]

*Kanye intensifies*

[@lodielieb8482]

As much as I hated him being gone I respect what he did. It was what he wanted and went his way.

[@steveshattah]

What goes unsaid is that the writing tanked one or two seasons before Topher left. Originally it was amazingly good and at some point they flipped the switch and it turned into every other nondescript sitcom but this time vaguely set in a sometimes represented different era.

[@bubba94290]

That’s because the two original creators of the show left after season 4

[@personnesenki4521]

Most sitcoms run out of gas after the 4th or 5th season or so. There's only so many ideas you can do with the same premise and set of characters.

[@mmitchellhouston]

It was WONDERFUL that Topher returned for the final episode.

[@haveanicedave1551]

yes, I was happy about that. It's one of two reasons why I have season 8 on DVD. The other is the Brady's as the gay couple. I thought that episode was funny and no Randy to ruin it.

[@SchofieldAJ]

@@haveanicedave1551 Well The Brady Boyz did that on their Own by being FANS of the other Team that wasn't The PACKERS cause they were a Pair of Arse OF Dumb! lolz

[@SttudDioPierrot]

Also, remember that they introduced another character who was basically Eric 2.0 before Eric left but for some reason they killed him off.

[@filipspanja2226]

Idk his name but wasn't it a rich gay fella that had a crush on Eric

[@andimoz]

i think he was supposed to originally replace eric once he left but the actor changed his mind hence why they went with randy instead

[@American-Zero]

His name was Charlie. He was meant to be the new Eric, But he was offered to star in his own show The Loop as well as guest spots on other shows.

[@mothwinter]

Pretty sure they literally killed the character if you remember the spray paint water tower or whatever it was where kelso got injured the guy they had to replace eric was there and fell and died lol

[@American-Zero]

@@mothwinter lol he is probably the only cast member who died from falling off the Water Tower...it was even renamed The Charlie Richardson Memorial Water Tower.

[@PillageMontage]

Crazy how the media tried to convince me (before independent youtubers) that Topher was being a jerk, when really, danny turned everyone but topher into a Scientologist. He really was the only normal one. “Fez” is a statutory grapist

[@ThatLatinDude]

An actor wants to pursue other projects. Yeah, that’s really weird.

[@darkfire170]

They didn’t fire him. He left cause he was moving to the movie industry

[@JoelTheSaunders]

He also put on almost 30lbs of muscle for spider-man 3. Which would of been very off to have him looking like that on that 70's show

[@markanderson3740]

Not going to a diddy party helps his career even more. We can't say the same for any of the rest of the crew.

[@daniccus]

You missed how they actually introduced Erics cousin at the end of season 7 and the audience actually liked him but the actor then got a starring role in his own show. Thats what Randy came to life.

[@SchofieldAJ]

Uhhh if your talking about Bret Harrison's Character he wasn't Eric's Cousin at all as he was the Son of 1 of Red's Former Friends that is it! As the only person of Eric's Cousin was a few seasons back w/ Britney Daniels Character in the Episode "Eric's Hot Cousin" so nope ya got your characters confused!

[@IfOUGHTpIRANHAz]

Homer Simpson: “When Randy’s not on screen, all the characters should be saying, “Where’s Randy?””

[@firet101]

I always felt like they should have worked Lori's character into the group in the last couple episodes before Eric left having her replace the main character wouldn't have felt so odd and it would have made sense why they still all hung out at Eric's house

[@michaelmira-lopez1660]

Yeah but the actress wasn't capable of continuing. She had a bad drug problem and unfortunately didn't recover

[@arianablackbear814]

She literally died

[@beanedcrusader9893]

Ah yes. New episode of nerdstalgic.

[@ohyeahitsthatoneguy]

*nerdstalgic

[@beanedcrusader9893]

@@ohyeahitsthatoneguy Oh my, exuse my absurd grammar, I will prevent anything like this from ever occurring again.

[@ohyeahitsthatoneguy]

@@beanedcrusader9893 LMAO its gucci

[@lacrimosa333]

@@beanedcrusader9893 excuse* 😈

[@klm4446]

Topher's timing and delivery was always top notch and he is so freaking cute.

[@RuuBjAh1]

Also, why I personally think Randy didn't work either was because, like you said, Eric was the voice of reason. In their group dynamic, everyone else, even Donna, wasn't as logical and cautious as Eric. The one closest to Eric in this regard was Donna, but she was more of a follower and that's why she often followed suit with the boys. However, when Eric went away, you still needed a voice of reason. In comes Randy, who's more of a himbo kind of type, a la Kelso, but also a la Fez a bit, because Randy and Fez both had their "dumb" moments, but they also had really smart ideas sometimes, while Kelso usually didn't. Because they still needed a voice of reason, they put Donna in this position, even though she usually only was the voice of reason when it came down to Jackie's issues and not with the boys. This way, because of the incorporation of Randy, they essentially changed the entire dynamic of the group, but also changed Donna's character as well.

[@GreenEnvy.]

Suzanne Summers starred in Step by Step. That's a classic.

[@futoijosei]

I really liked that show.

[@GROZNAYA]

Yea, a classic piece of shit...

[@nataliesue2485]

Yea when Topher left it was like if "Corey" had left Boy Meets World too soon.

[@eneresolong]

Despite the totally misleading title and the only reason you clicked on this, he left on his own just like you always thought

[@grapeshot]

I remember of him playing in Predators. Interesting if not a weird choice.

[@julianc.6589]

yep that cast of characters was something else

[@RK-cj4oc]

It is also one of the few movies where he does not act like Eric foreman.

[@lonotalonota5779]

I thought it worked pretty well. A psyco pretending to be a dorky nerd was basically just eric foreman in a different time line.

[@knoton3747]

Not sure why but that character felt like more of the actual Topher Grace more than his Eric character. Sure hope I'm wrong about that.

[@chompythebeast]

Remember that *"BURN!"* Kelso image macro? Remember when everyone seemed to think that was hilarious? Remember when they were called "image macros"? Pepperidge Farm remembers

[@wiskasIO]

I don't blame him, he had to work with perverts and weirdos. 💀

[@undeadhambread4602]

Topher Grace is a very underrated actor. I hope he surpasses his co-workers from that 70's show someday. I think he will, he just has to find the prefect role.

[@random69e]

Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis are more popular along with Laura Prepon(orange is the new black) or Danny Masterson(ranch)

[@Good_ol_Butch]

​@random69e Danny is a real huge hit in prison...

[@jansmycka4338]

"Follow your dreams" is the most dangerous thing to say. Yeah, he did that AFTER HE WAS SET TO LIFE.

[@HankJr.]

I can’t fault Topher at all for wanting to expand his career. Unfortunately for That 70s Show the loss of Eric Foreman signaled the end. In comes Randy and that character felt so out of place. It was just not possible to replace Eric and nobody bought into Randy. That said the series finale though was pretty perfect. Nothing over the top just the group back together hanging out reminiscing about the decade is it’s about to end. They all run upstairs to celebrate the new year and that’s it.

[@martinsmith6342]

I admired "That 70s Show" when it was on, the last season was weird, and the finale to me was a letdown,Donna and Eric belonged together, and Fez and Jackie hooking up felt forced!Josh Meyers did his best, but he couldn't compete with the shadow of Topher Grace!Anyways, it was a great show!

[@agirlnamedbrett.]

I will always rewatch and love That 70s Show.

[@jackmcmorrow9397]

Learning what we know about the actors now, its no wonder he left. Show was filled to the brim with nutcases.

[@vividdangles4965]

I'm a simple man, I see that 70's show, I click.

[@marumisu9560]

Topher is probably my favorite sitcom actor. Reminds me of my best friend in middle school. He just looks like a genuine person. The goodest boy. Just like Elijah Wood and Tobey Maguire.

[@nikki99beauty]

I actually heard that Tobey Maguire was/is pretty terrible towards women

[@WiredLain_]

@@nikki99beauty i’m gonna say you hate all men, and now that everyone’s seen it, should they just believe it? or should they need evidence to back up that claim?

[@jacobhargiss3839]

Big Tobey maguire vibes

[@gravedigr12]

Topher probably got sick of all the weird stuff the cast were doing with scientology as well

[@jeffc6114]

That 70s Show was often seen as being a kind of "Happy Days" rebooted for the 70s. Interestingly enough, Ron Howard also left that show to go on to bigger and better things and his character was the center of that series in the same way Topher Grace's was to his. Richie Cunningham was also replaced by another character also not unlike what happened with 70s. So the whole thing , though not planned in advanced, really did reinforce the whole "70s Show and Happy Days parallel-ism. ( Hyde = Fonzie and even moved in with the Foremans just as Fonzie movied in with the Cunnighams, and so on but that is a discussion for another time)

[@maclancastermusic4757]

I'd like to specifically applaud his performance in BlackkKlansman, a thoroughly phenomenal film.

[@volb9817]

Yes! It was really well performed. I don't know how to explain it but there was a certain coldness or stoicism that he brought to the character that is the perfect general feel that we get from those race extremists.

[@troymcclure681]

That movie was woke trash

[@stuartverner9700]

I didn’t think he was fired when he was in “Africa” he was playing in Spider-Man as venom he was the first actor to make it big (besides red)

[@SchofieldAJ]

It's cause he wasn't Fired as Christopher/Topher chose not to Resign as he only signed u like the rest for only 7 Seasons as it was only supposed to be 7 Seasons til FOX wanted an Eight n why Ashton as well didn't do many Season 8 cause Topher didn't renew his Deal like the rest whom did the final 8th Season! As it made Perfect sense for Topher not to Resign for a Full 8th season as what were they gonna do cause they sent his Character to Africa after all as were they gonna do the Cheesy On Screen Split Screens like they did when Kelso & Donna wet to California A Ferw seasons before that as I found the Off Screen thing better and also t saved them money!

[@crazykenna]

“if you’ve spent seven years at a job you don’t maybe love so much” Jesus Christ dude you went straight for my jugular

[@ShermanWilliamsVideo]

Right? Fully attacked.

[@MisterJackTheAttack]

Grace made the right call. Frankly, the best episodes of the show were behind them at the time. I would have to watch it all again, but I think the first season was the best.

[@Ed19601]

I understand that Damny Masterson and Ashton Kucher engaged in what now definitely would be called inappropriate behaviour such putting money on french kissing then underage (14 even) Mila Kunis. Wilmer Valderama apparently fitted well with those two gjven they opened a restaurant together, and he is known for giving an interview to Howard Stern about his conquests that can be described as gross. No such behaviour of Topher Grace , who apparently distanced himself from the shenanigans of that trio, which led to him being accused of Diva behaviour. Perhaps that's why he left the show or at least contributed to it. Randy was a disaster

[@tumbleton3428]

You should make a video on why they fired Sherona from “Monk.”

[@Nerdstalgic]

I like this

[@todd5687]

I been thinking of rewatching monk

[@IanCookUS]

i'd def watch that

[@tumbleton3428]

@@IanCookUS it’s 10/10 but I haven’t finished it yet.

[@brendonwood7595]

I think you should do a show on how awesome monk is for such a low budget show. A masterpiece of talent over budget.

[@Dullfang2]

Actually for me, the main reason I don't care for the final season is that the character Leo was featured much more prominently. I know a lot of people like him, but I've always just found that character to be the cheap low hanging fruit of the show. Yeah, he's super high, I get it.

[@frankdees507]

I liked Leo only because as the high hippie degenerate of the show, he had a backstory that makes him somewhat of a forgotten hero as a Vietnam veteran. He, unlike all the others had a survivor’s personality, where he would seem to always be the last man standing, never stressed about anything, and somehow always landed on his feet. To put in Star Wars terms, which Eric was so fond of, he would’ve been like a comical master Yoda. Grinning at Luke at first meeting, while seemingly just a pestering alien, then lo and behold, Leo had the most survivor warrior backstory of all the characters except Red. It was literally like the force was always with Leo. Like I mentioned, all the other characters had depressing issues, but Leo was always stoned and cool, and always landed in his feet, like he simply trusted the will of the force like Yoda.