The Real Reason Tesla Developed The Semi Truck!

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[@PhilthyMr]

Great video. I have friends that are engineers for legacy and trucker MV’s. They purposely pushed out their semi EV’s to appease their investors. They wanted to prove they could do it and if they could before Tesla did, they’d gain prestige. They’re all working on new designs but most don’t think battery powered is the future of trucking. The power grid can’t come close to handle the necessary energy requirements of many cars let alone many semis. Look at Texas! They’re having major issues already. A natural easier solution is in our midst. It may be hydrogen. But I think there’s a simpler solution here. This seems like a fad

[@chrisheath2637]

My favourite semi story. A logging company is desperate to get hold of some semis. Why ? He hauls logs from the top of a mountain to the bottom. When going downhill, the fully loaded truck regenerates all the energy needed to drive back to the top of the mountain. Result is, his fuel is actually free, saving on both fuel, and brake maintenance !

[@sachitdaniel6688]

Technically the mass of the trees got on top of the hill via solar energy (rain and photosynthesis), so the truck is recharging via a very slow solar charger 😂

[@LaBamba690]

This is already being done at least at one mine where huge electric dump trucks are filled at the top and then put at least as much energy into their batteries on the way down as what they use to drive back to the top while empty. Free energy being taken from stored potential energy in the ore at the top of the hill. No charging necessary.

[@MyShanghaiShuffle]

Regenerates all the energy? No chance.

[@chrisheath2637]

@@MyShanghaiShuffle So, you're arguing with physics ?

[@MyShanghaiShuffle]

@@chrisheath2637 not really, there are so many losses in the system, not to mention that there are no figures released about the efficiency of the regenerative braking.

[@riz4709]

Wait.. Did you just call Nikola a competitor?!? Yeah maybe if you’re hauling downhill only. 😂

[@mohamedfarid7499]

Nikola not only competitors

[@GershonBenYitzhak]

They actually have delivered electric trucks so yes technically they are a competitior.

[@teem5642]

Mate you are still stuck behind the old times of the scandal. Nikola has trucks now, it just doesn't get media attention and hype, which is what helps tesla. The ceo is has a cult following and sort of celebrity status, so people always try keep in tune. Look up tre bev

[@whynotstartusingyourbrain8726]

@@GershonBenYitzhak no, what they did is defraud investors and use the stolen money to order trucks from Iveco. That's it. Nikola does not exist at all. Trevor thought how can I cheat and lie and take advantage of people's trust. He saw the success of Tesla and simply abused Nikola Tesla's last name in order to create the impression that the companies are comparable when in reality there was nothing but a copy cat name. Nikola doesn't have and never had any proprietary technology. Not concerning batteries, nor hydrogen nor solar. Nikola does not exist. It's a scam from start to finish. And everybody at Nikola was in on the fraud. All of them belong to prison and everybody who still has money in this scam should be ashamed of himself and deserves to lose everything.

[@bolus1982]

Nikola was a fraud and scam. It was and it will be never a competitor of Tesla.

[@TomLynch]

I think it is very practical. When I drove over the road my goal was 500 miles a day. The limiting factor was mostly the loading/unloading times, limits on speed, gravity in mountainous areas and the law. Considering you took a 30 to 60 minute break in route to the destination you could easily to do more if the law allowed since you would charge during breaks. The only problem now is missing charging infrastructure at truck stops and parking areas. Plus I would NOT miss the slippery, oily results and smells from diesel.

[@formertenant9276]

You wont be driving it though.. AI will be driving it..

[@originalmadds]

@@formertenant9276 AI driving isnt even fully developed for their sedans. Full Self Driving for a semi-truck is probably going to take pretty long to make.

[@theodorehaskins3756]

@@formertenant9276 Exactly! The Tesla Semi Truck is a game changer, not only because it’s electric, but also because it can do everything a traditional diesel/gasoline truck can do but, it can do it cheaper, faster, and safer, and you can’t put a price tag on someone’s life. So as I see it, I can’t think of a single thing that a semi truck today is doing that can be done more efficiently with an AI. Cheers🎉

[@formertenant9276]

@@theodorehaskins3756 The whole point of AI is to replace the need for you and I which means no future for us.

[@theodorehaskins3756]

@@formertenant9276 Well you’re entitled to your own opinions, but I respectfully disagree. So let me ask you this question, can you know what you don’t know?

[@BEdmonson85]

My best guess, having worked for a major school bus manufacturer in the US, on why the other companies are using legacy designs for their electric trucks comes down to tooling and parts procurement. They are already set up to make those parts and chassis systems, so to save money they're retrofitting the electric designs onto legacy platforms.

[@JPTech933]

It is revolutionary for long haul. For the time that is needed for charging, their are laws both here in Canada and the US of how many hours a truck driver can be on the road, and their well deserved rest and break periods. If a driver is having a meal and/or napping for an hour or sleeping the required 7 or more hours, the Tesla truck has plenty of time to charge. What I like is that the driver can have the heat or A/C on, rest in comfort while the rig is charging. No more noise and vibration from a diesel engine.

[@LaBamba690]

Yeah, but we won't be able to breathe that wonderful particulate-laden diesel exhaust all night anymore :(

[@maxguarp3937]

The driver rests while the truck is being charged. One truck and one driver per charger. If you had hundreds of trucks on a major route, many, many chargers would be needed. I would think that this could be a major bottleneck.

[@bobbybishop5662]

It's a joke for long haul trucking. There is no nation wide charging infrastructure to support it . There are 40000 truck stops spread across the US for a reason .

[@why6212]

The other companies are electrifying standard trucks... Because they already make standard trucks. It's a strength for them in the short-term. Probably the only way to produce something they can make money on. Tesla can start from scratch because they have to build the factory machines anyway, so their strength is to make the most efficient design.

[@Reformed1]

Finally, somebody mentions the Tesla Semi's charging time. Thanks for the video

[@DraikoGR]

My personal opinion on your 2 major questions, design and battery cells: Designing a new cab will take R&D hours (cost increase), production change and construction (new machinery, new training for personnel and time consumption that means cost increase), lowering the production of the current model parts (increasing the already existing part shortage thus increasing the part cost) in a time period that trucking companies already battling with increased costs in fuel and fees. So my guess is the companies are using already existing designs, to actually transition smoother into the new era. Battery cells are a whole different situation. If we take in consideration the time that took the batteries to come to the level they are today, the curve of maximizing current technology to the maximum gain in output is getting to a flat line, so the next best thing (again it's personal opinion) is charging time. From what i have read and watched the 2170 has a higher charging time than the 4680, so in a more compact environment (like a sedan) the 4680 would make a better choice since it has better efficiency from charging stop to the next. In the case of the semi, the choice would be the 2170, since you need longer trips from stop to stop (getting in account the truckers brake times). In conclusions, your video tackles both worlds perfectly since, as you said "they are capitalizing in the space gained by removing the diesel engine" Thank you for this content!

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[@djnavari]

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[@gavhoffdrums3129]

The tesla semi with its 500 miles of range, is really close to being practical for long haul, and then a sleeper will be needed, and I can't wait to see what design they cone up with! They probably could add a battery pack to the trailer as a solution for long haul company's who don't wanna wait how ever long it will take for battery technology to get denser in energy

[@alfaseeds13]

actually it's already quite practical especially for solo truckers, because of regulations that limit truck drivers for driving a maximum of 8 hours, a duration that is almost the same as driving 500 miles, the final task that needs to be completed is to provide a sufficient number of megachargers

[@MayorMcheese12]

Not really when you don't have any chargers around the country

[@MayorMcheese12]

@@alfaseeds13 it's 11 hours not 8

[@danboyd2725]

@@MayorMcheese12 after 8 hours you need to take a 30 minute break. 30 minutes is 70% charge enough for another 3 hours driving then a stop for a full charge.

[@yuvrajsinghf57]

Why you think that there is only one driver in semi truck Most long route truck has two drivers they don't need to stop truck for relax

[@ingenn6508]

Finally we a comparison energy density per weight unit. Weight is always the biggest problem for vehicle batteries. It is really surprising that the smallest cells have the highest energy density. Obviously the 4680 needs some advanced development to supplant the smaller cells.

[@LankanIan]

With the driving position in the center, it could be used in left-side driving countries (UK, Australia & India) and right-side driving countries (USA & Europe) without modification.

[@atheistleopard618]

yes, that was the goal, i'm sure

[@alanmay7929]

Unfortunately the tesla semi wont work in Europe or Asia it’s way too long lol….. center driving position is also pathetic and the drivers eyes are always better than stupid cameras

[@alanmay7929]

@@atheistleopard618 nope

[@atheistleopard618]

@@alanmay7929 but yep

[@RyanDiederich]

@@alanmay7929 3ft is "way too long?" did you even watch the videO?

[@lindanicholes4753]

Can't wait to see one of these big babies on the road!

[@iowa_don]

2:20 - Those oldsters amongst us will recall that this limit was once in the US as well. Once removed, all of the snub nosed trucks quickly disappeared.

[@thesoundsmith]

Well, one looked pretty good in that _Terminator_ movie... 😎

[@chrisadkinswork5016]

That single center seat isn't going to leave a lot of room for the lot lizard to make her entrance

[@NLM1000]

Most drivers complain about vibration, noise, and constant shifting. All these problems vanish with a Tesla semi. Game changer!

[@daemenoth]

And regenerative braking also saves on the lifespan of brake pads while adding power to the battery. super win!

[@MsRs232]

Newer truck here is Europe are fully automatic so no gear changes

[@alanmay7929]

Stop talking nonsense!!!! “Most” what!!!? You realise that automatic gearbox exist right! With super tiny shifter, some drivers actually prefers manual f gearbox

[@alanmay7929]

@@daemenoth lol….. on a flat surface totally useless tbh

[@MrPaxio]

@@daemenoth LMFAO. so youre gonna put stress and load on your motor..... just to save $20 in brake pads, genius, pure genius

[@jamespalmer4945]

You go over battery weight. But you miss the fact that those batteries are so heavy they actually cut into the legal maximum weight a semi can haul thus cutting into the payload. U know the product that pays for the load. Add more batteries less paying customers product the Tesla can legally haul

[@evanli421]

Hate to be the 70th comment, but have to say, the reason all other electric truck manufacturers choose to go with standard design is that they are standard design, they can use the existing supply chain to build their trucks fairly easily with limited capital. This also allows them to deliver their product very quickly to attract more investment and possibly get the quick cash they want if any big car manufacturers decide to buy their company. They are running their company silicon valley style

[@joe2mercs]

One thing worthy of note is that the Tesla driving position is lower than that of either the European flat face or American long nose trucks. This allows Tesla to configure a better aerodynamic profile and will provide more accommodation volume above the cab should it be needed.

[@GershonBenYitzhak]

"4680 in its current format". Correct, but if they change the chemistry (but same form), they will be better than 2170

[@shockthemonkey7046]

Yep I think that’s the case, most likely it’s still WIP to get production consistency and matching tolerances across individual cells. Maybe one of the things holding up the Roadster launch?

[@MrPaxio]

doesnt matter, itll cost more to charge than diesel anyway

[@johnjdumas]

fatter is hotter.

[@JamesBond-bf6ul]

What makes Tesla semi so special? The ability to carry less than half of regular 40+k lbs cargo, need for a charging station with output of 1 household every 500 miles and the revolutionary groundbreaking wireless charging. So far 1 has been delivered. Unfortunately it broke down and had to be tugged away by a nasty diesel truck. I am fairly confident the remaining 1000 or so ordered will be delivered next year! Simply amazing!

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[@Mac10943]

13:01 You're comparing apples to oranges here. You can't possibly make a reasonable comparison without knowing what charging speed these calculations are accounting for. The Tesla semi is definitely accounting for a much faster charger, and it has to, since it has more to charge

[@davidhawkins7138]

I think the 1MW power architecture may have emerged from first-principals thinking (i.e.: how much inertial energy a loaded truck traveling at 75 MPH naeeds to be captured with regen when the truck does a quick stop). Squeezing maximum regen will extend range. This may also be why they have 3 motors. They need the regen capacity to capture the maximum energy as the truck slows. The benefits of 3x the power of a normal diesel is a performance bonus that Tesla gets from needing to honor Newton's first law as they slow the truck down.

[@milyunair]

I believe these models have 2 moters

[@ryanmarbut1035]

@@milyunair At the delivery event Tesla revealed the trucks have three motors.

[@rncondie]

The Tesla Semi weighs 5,200 more pounds than a diesel tractor. The weight limit for an EV Semi loaded is 82,000 lbs so the lost cargo weight is 3,200 lbs. 85% of semis on the road are hailing less than the max gross weight of 80,000 lbs This is a game changer and truck stops will line up to get those 1,000 volt chargers. 30 minutes charging means 30 min buying stuff at the truck stop.

[@wally7856]

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[@SparkyClarke]

Semi and Cybertruck 2023

[@georgeginsburg545]

500 miles on a full charge. That’s great. But wonder if they’re gonna suggest only charging to 80 percent to increase the life of the battery pack.

[@douglasengle2704]

I'd like to see cab view video from the Tesla Semi pulling a near max load over the route. What I'd really like to see tested is the Tesla Semi with full load running between Grand Junction and Denver CO along I-70. That is a very well known mountainous Interstate route with grades hitting 8%.

[@chestermartin2356]

How many miles is the route?

[@douglasengle2704]

@@chestermartin2356 242 miles (391 km) between Grand Junction and Denver Co. There is a lot of stress this route would place on the truck. Regeneration down the long grades might overheat the batteries or it might throw away a lot of energy due to heat or both. Other BEVs have dropped to 1/3 or less their rated range when towing heavy loads, such as the Ford Lighting F-150 pickup without mountain grades! If the Tesla Semi can make this mountainous grade hop I'd think it's a real game changer. I think this route is idea as a test promotion of the Tesla Semi because its so well known and it crosses the continental divide through the Eisenhower Tunnel. I would think taking a 30 minute charge break would be very acceptable traversing this section of highway.

[@chestermartin2356]

@@douglasengle2704 yeah sounds like an interesting test for it. Would be a good showing of its capabilities

[@rameusunlimited1561]

@@douglasengle2704 the distance ratings are apparently fully loaded, but on relatively level ground. It will be interesting to see how they do. A few days and I’m sure they will be releasing more information.

[@armanarmadillo]

I love this idea, as I take that route from time to time when I'm light, I usually avoid it if I'm over 35k pounds though. Though it would be a great benchmark to beat if you're testing electric trucks.

[@johnnymonsters9717]

These trucks only need a 30 minute charge The reason is because each truck can be topped off when the driver has to wait for a load. Trucks are constantly in use. It just needs to get to where it's going half the time the other half is either empty the way back or waiting for a load

[@NLM1000]

Truck stops need chargers!

[@MrPaxio]

it doesnt matter when charging will cost more than diesel. youre gonna pay more and wait an hour rather than 5 minute fill up

[@stevenvasselljr.9278]

Its just like many car manufacturers who are taking their existing platforms and just slapping batteries into it

[@GershonBenYitzhak]

Yup

[@bisk1407]

like tesla?

[@GershonBenYitzhak]

@@bisk1407 ? Tesla never had an 'existing platform'. Your comment makes no sense

[@BladeOath]

Glad to see the thumbnail had absolutely nothing to do with the video 👍

[@SteveBueche1027]

Why not use the space above the driver for the sleeper?

[@robz5435]

Bridges. Trucks are limited to 13'6" in height, any taller and some newby will forget and rip it's lid off.

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[@ratherbeflying101]

It has too be able to do 500 miles a day with charging stations at every truck stop. We can't be hampered by no charging station. It has to be able to do multiple stops with out loosing battery and has to be able to sit in heavy traffic without problems later. Needs a sleeper

[@jimmypatton4982]

Most Tesla extend range when stuck in stop and go traffic. I see no reason this semi would be any different. So as long as the route plus common detour has super charger it would work. Also I still see ideal is going under 400 miles round trip for some time. Which encompasses majority of trucking routes.

[@ratherbeflying101]

@Jimmy Patton I'm doing exactly that under 500 no more long runs, our company has a reefer fleet dedicated to short runs, just started it. I love it. No touch freight and Im on a salary, making more money with less work. Have to have a sleeper and need a good charging infrastructure

[@pokor5791]

The big obstacle to get the trucking industry electric are charging stations and the infrastructure needed from the power companies to power them. Our CEO talked about it and knows it is coming, doesn't mean it will happen without asking for gvt handouts.

[@jamesweil3470]

The government is shutting down coal powered fired plants and not adding new ones, They're not allowing nuclear Plants to be built. That makes the cleanest Electricity And are more efficient than 40 years ago and safer. We will never have the interest structure to support EV's.

[@Whittletonblood]

The aerodynamics on the Tesla semi are perfect which all future lorries should follow

[@andrewbest5854]

Thank you. Very informative video. I had never really thought about the different designs between North American and European heavy trucks, but it makes sense now.

[@kevinrice7635]

Yutes

[@alanmay7929]

And that’s why the tesla semi will never work in Europe unfortunately!

[@alanmay7929]

European trucks are also more compact and way more capable and also powerful

[@ronfullerton3162]

The electric people are learning more about the trucking industry. But there is some to learn yet. The Cascadia Freightliner is not a long nose tractor.long nose is more what the Peterbilt and Kenworth OTR models are. The short nose tractors are designed to contain the diesel motor and be fairly aerodynamic as possible. It also maximizes handling in tight spots. Where Freightliner has gone through much development to make a tractor as aerodynamic as possible, they can use that already proven and currently under production model as a platform to begin their program of producing an electric tractor. A quick and cost efficient way of getting their start into the EV arena. Once they have a system developed that they are happy with, I would bet you will see a whole new chassis and cab to go with it. Tesla started from scratch, and started early, so a ehole unit needed to be designed and built at once. Ad far as a sleeper berth design for Tesla, that is probably not a very big or current push. Pepsico, Walmart, and other such companies are getting the first EVs, and most will be on dedicated runs amongst company locations. The driver will be returning to the origin location to end the day. And all their locations services by the electrics will have charging stations. But as the electrics become more numerous, and infrastructure becomes more consistent, they will start OTR work and the sleeper berth will become more necessary. The European tractors may remain in their current type design because they are not out in the open stretches running highway speeds such as our American semis do. Aerodynamics are not as crucial for them, where the compact design is. I am glad to see that many EV enthusiasts are beginning to see the concerns of tractor net weigh and distribution and the need to fit truck performance to match the limitations of "hours of service" that drivers have to meet. I am now retired from driving, but would really love to try out one of those Teslas. I started driving when the mirrors were still less than desirable, and always hung out the window when backing. I wonder how that would work when I would be sitting smack dab in the middle of the cab! I am watching with enthusiasm as the times are changing.

[@112523]

It doesn't. These trucks are never worth it as they cannot carry enough cargo.

[@kenkiekens7746]

They could fill the tops of the trailers with solar panels, and have an area at the front of the trailer filled with ultracapacitors, that would always provide extra range. Maybe connect to regen for going down hills or mountains as ultracapacitors charge much quicker than batteries, when ultra capacitors are full then send charge to recharge batteries. The computers could handle charging and recharging.

[@realtruth172]

it will be tried by a few companies but i don't see this being accepted by owner operators

[@paulhailey2537]

WHO WOULD POSSIBLY WANT TO SAVE 40 THOUSAND DOLLARS PER YEAR IN OPERATING COSTS OVER A DIESEL TRUCK

[@cptarianus824]

For Freighliner / Volvo, I guess they chose their existing chassis is this chassis are already here, in production, the parts are supplied and driver-owners or freight owners who love Volvo / Freighliner design, they give the same as with diesel, but in electric!

[@Leontestedevorant]

Very interesting and well done. We will be very happy if you also make the units of measurement understandable for the rest of the world, thank you in advance :-)

[@robertstout7756]

The diet design of the semi may be six years old, but there’s likely thousands of details that have been improved from the original design

[@DaveGme]

Try driving a HMMWV down a small town road in Germany. Had to back out of a few spots.

[@EriM288]

The reason that there is no sleeper in the back is that there is going to be no driver very soon.

[@LaBamba690]

Highly likely unless FSD runs into some large unforeseen problem. Hope not. All vehicles need FSD so we can reduce the >46,000 deaths due to bad drivers in the US alone. That's not even to mention the hundreds of thousands more who are seriously/permanently injured. Globally, there's something like 1.35 million people slaughtered on the road by human drivers. Now multiply that by 10 or more to see how many are seriously injured but survive. It's ridiculous when you really think about what we're doing. Not to mention all the premature deaths and disease we're causing by burning diesel and gasoline and the further destruction caused by drilling our land and ocean bottoms for it.

[@EriM288]

@@LaBamba690 And if we wanted to reduce death around the world to zero..... What do you suggest we do!!!!???? Your answer is so short sighted, I'm sorry man.

[@paulmajerski6848]

I think the 500 mile ones will more likely be 300 miles at 80% charge after the first 100,000 miles and the 300 mile batteries will go just under 200 miles. I think there biggest advantage will be moving things around in the cites.

[@MrPaxio]

and when ure charging at $0.50/kwh, itll more likely cost more than diesel, and electricity costs are gonna sky rocket for people who dont even own or care about EV

[@Endoe.McKronic]

My trucker buddies drive on a deadline. If they can't make it in time they lose money due to road time restrictions. Then, let's say when you get there in a tesla semi, when can you charge? Or pick up another load and drive again? You're spending time sleeping in your truck. What about the batteries dying when you need to sleep? If Elon was smart he would ask real truckers their problems with trucks, then try to make things better.

[@tribudeuno]

You forgot to talk about the Tesla Semi’s inability to “jack-knife”, which is a trucker’s worst nightmare. It also would have been nice to mention if the competitor electric semis also can’t jack-knife…

[@vorutouzamaki2635]

It can’t ?? Isn’t the trailer way too close to the cab if you need to make a hard turn the cab going to hit the trailer that’s why there always some space in between. So are these meant to only go straight ?

[@jimmypatton4982]

@@vorutouzamaki2635 it should have anti jackknife logic in it’s breaking/turning logic. But I agree I would be highly doubtful if I drive the truck off a cliff with the cab turned as much a possible, the trailer would avoid the cab…

[@tribudeuno]

@@vorutouzamaki2635 … As with Tesla cars, as Elon told Joe Rogan, the computer operating the motor and tires is making changes so fast that it is impossible for a Tesla to go into a skid, even on black ice. And I think that jack-knifing is essentially a result of a 18 wheeler going into a skid. At the reveal Elon said that jack-knifing was an impossibility with the Tesla Semi…

[@MrPaxio]

@@tribudeuno meanwhile in the real world: teslas doing 180s and 360s

[@MayorMcheese12]

I dont see how that's possible. Every truck has the ability to jack knife regardless of it being electric.

[@GeneCAu]

Next is Tesla train

[@vanrozay8871]

Looks like an easy choice for any semi buyer. Better in all ways. And the anti-jackknife feature can be life saving and load saving.

[@DutchManticore]

This is hilarious. You have no idea about the fact that this can carry almost no load due to the battery weight required?! The range is 500km... Regular trucks do 2500 miles on a tank. This is literally the worst a truck could be and you really think its the best?

[@daemenoth]

@@DutchManticore that is not even close to true... the tesla semi is stating 300-500km of range LOADED. It's also worth mentioning EV's are a ton less maintenance and the price per/km for charging vs diesel is way cheaper so you also gain lots of days of road time the truck can do and at a much lower cost. I have no clue where you are getting your "facts" but they are not actual verified facts they are "your rather uninformed opinion".

[@lmmortalZodd]

@@daemenoth I'm afraid he's right: due to weight limits and the battery energy density being much lower than diesel, battery weight eats into profitability. This truck will only make financial sense on short and crowded trips. We need significant advancements in battery tech to make an electric truck more viable. A diesel has about 22 tons of payload, Tesla will have about 16. That's about 27% less cargo. Fuel and maintenance is about 42% of cost for a regular semi, so the 84% reduction that Tesla boasts will mean 37% less costs for 27% less cargo. You also have a 9% reduction in operating time due to recharging. Problem is Tesla is 2 - 4.5 times more expensive upfront. The Tesla semi will make sense when they will drive themselves

[@ArchangelMichael94]

Anything to save a good load 😏

[@alanmay7929]

Better in my @zzzz lol…. Not made for Europe unfortunately

[@samwhite9894]

RIP to the truck driver...next up... the Tesla forklift 😂

[@Luvurenemy]

Great video! When you mention sustainable energy could you include a nuclear power plant in your image selection? Outside of Southern California and Texas solar and wind won’t cut it. Europe found out the hard way.

[@pokor5791]

Once I see a truck run loaded 500 miles in January in Montana, North Dakota, Minnesota, and Wisconsin, then I will be impressed.

[@112523]

Loaded with like 1000kg and that might even be too much. They will never work the way they want. Just like how the hyperloop is also a retarded idea

[@watchthe1369]

Over the road, I like the power reserve that diesels have. In winter weather you can get caught in storms, you drive in the cold where batteries suffer, yet diesels can keep going. Diesel also has a lot of reserve power if you have to pull over when the weather gets really bad. Can the Tesla keep its ooomfh when the temperature drops below 0 on a clear day in the Dakotas? Definately a southern route only truck.

[@NitroMeep3.3]

Carefull, you will trigger the green new deal. Nut jobs

[@watchthe1369]

@@NitroMeep3.3 Fine I will trigger right back. Most of the greenies have no idea about naturals systems having grown in cities. Biodiesel can be used for over the road trucking and it is carbon neutral and it is clean enough you do not need the DEF crap either.

[@wally7856]

You temperature control the battery packs the same way you do the cab. After a few minutes of warm up time, it doesn't matter how cold it is outside, they perform nominally. I guess people forget about insulation and heating and cooling for systems that require it because legacy vehicles kept the battery at ambient temperature. It doesn't matter anymore what the outside temperature is because they are all temperature controlled out of necessity. Heating the cab and battery packs does use power so range will be affected but that's the only loss in cold weather.

[@maxguarp3937]

@@wally7856 Uh, oh. There is an energy conservation problem here. Maintaining the battery at a usable temperature in cold weather requires heating as you stated. Heating is energy. That energy can only come from the batteries. So maintaining the batteries at temperature would reduce range. Further, unlike diesel engines or FCEV there is no waste heat available for cabin heating. In a BEV that energy must come from the batteries as well, also reducing range.

[@wally7856]

@@maxguarp3937 yes, range gets cut roughly in half in cold weather but the machine works as intended. If range is an issue then a bev isn't for you.

[@Nellosphere]

Tesla needs to have solar charging trailers with additional batteries stored in the floor of the trailer.

[@hackman669]

Great idea 💡👍 Rechqrge while driving. Rechargeable breaking would also be beneficial.

[@benoithyperlord]

Great idea! You need 10000 M2 of solar panels. That's a big trailer! When the sun is shining.

[@BillBob-dk4bl]

What if we build giant slides covered in bowling ally grease. And slide the products everywhere.

[@briankearn6991]

That’s a great idea, seriously! Elon could do it! His Hyperloop in Las Vegas was an engineering marvel! He can defy physics!

[@bearlemley]

Wait you said that the semi was the longest delayed out of all the other Tesla products announced except for the fact you forgot that the Roadster was announced at the same time.

[@thecaribbean8615]

Kudos to Elon. He knows it is not a truck that needs to be electrified, it is an Eco system that needs to be optimized!

[@alanmay7929]

Bullshit!!!! Who said it’s wasn’t that!? European trucks are totally different and the tesla won’t work there unfortunately

[@ArizVern]

THE GENIUS IS SHIFTING BETWEEN ONE MOTOR TO THREE MOTORS SEAMLESSLY.

[@iakona23]

Is the Tesla Semi in its current shape going to qualify to be sold in Europe and Asia, or will it have to be redesigned?

[@donfields1234]

I think it will be "ok" as is for highway use anyhow. Local delivery may be a different story but thats the european road system. Smaller trucks, vans etc will take it from there as they always have.

[@drewwatts7867]

It's 90mm too wide to be legal in Australia, I'm not sure what can be done about that. After having a look, it's actually too wide for most of the world.

[@hughvines4585]

@@drewwatts7867 maybe they can drive it on mars

[@Kangenpower7]

The center driver position was designed for Europe use! This is especially important when driving supplies from England to France and being able to drive on the left or right side of the roads.

[@alanmay7929]

@@donfields1234 lol….. the tesla semi has no place in Europe unfortunately! Driving on the highway alone is a no go because diesel American trucks could have done the too. When you see a cabover European truck parking or going through a very tight space you’ll realise how it’s super efficient

[@aggibson74]

4:56 how dare you question the words of our great innovator!!!!

[@MXP90DL]

Can you confirm another and maybe the biggest advantage of the tesla simi. It is said it will have full self driving. It has even been said that a driver in the 1st truck could have 2 other trucks follow using FSD and we could see a small 3 truck convoy going down the highway with only one driver. I would even speculate that if each rig had its own driver that this would allow these tesla trucks to run 24/7 by letting to 2 other trailing drivers rest till it is their turn to take over the convoy letting the 1st driver rest in the 3rd position. I can see driving from coast to coast in about 2 days in this manner hitting Superchargers along the way and getting food at these kind of truck stops. I guess it would be like a Cannon Ball Run taking this approach. They could play the Smokey and The Bandit theam song while pulling into and out of the SC'ers. Breaker Breaker 19

[@alanmay7929]

Bullsit!!!

[@jasonglisson1690]

I have questions. How much does the semi and trailer weigh. Does the trailer also have batteries. How much did the load weigh. I'm not sold on this yet. I'm waiting to find out the negatives. There seems to be to much window. What will we do about the blinding sun.

[@thomasboese3793]

Legacy semi-truck designers have gone down the same route legacy steam locomotive designers did when a little know company started building diesel-electric locos. A long-running legacy must be upheld at all costs. There is a style each company is known for and it must be seen from a distance quickly. Starting with an absolutely clean sheet of paper is the only winning combination for any new ground-breaking idea. Take a good look at the current number of legacy builders who are putting a toe into the electric semi-truck market. Twenty to thirty years from now they will be gone.

[@alfredoma5015]

Semi x FSD prod release = our ticket to early retirement fellas

[@alanmay7929]

Nope

[@MrPaxio]

yeah its been 3 years im still waiting for his robo taxis that make you 50k a year while you sleep. thats what we call in the industry, a scam

[@markussmith1555]

Tesla Semi trucks are not "long haul". They are short/regional haul trucks limited in range.

[@External2737]

With fast charging, as noted in the video. They can charge enough for 4 to 4.5 hours of driving in 30 minutes. Start off in the morning. Charge at lunch. The issue is lack of a seat for a 2nd driver for long haul. There should be enough room for a bed (I might be optimistic). If a bed and 2nd seat fit in, drive 300 miles (500km) and charge, then again... This should be able to do 90% of a diesel. Good enough.

[@tokesalotta1521]

Seems like they could design the trailers to carry batteries also

[@sparkster1314]

Just imagine the range if the trailer was one giant battery. I'm surprised the Musk hasn't thought of that yet.

[@DLWELD]

need to look at energy volumetric density - the smaller cell is more energy dense per gram for sure - but how do they pack? Energy density per cubic foot?

[@jamesbarber5410]

Seems like Tesla should be working with state governments to install mega chargers at the various rest stops which these trucks are required to stop at anyway. If they could put maybe ten chargers at each rest area starting in California and working their way north and east we could see them dominate the market. They could even design an attachment that would allow the other vehicles to use their proprietary chargers so that it isn’t seen as a monopoly or unfair business advantage between the state and one vehicle manufacturer. The antitrust laws are important but Tesla could prove its altruistic ideals by allowing other heavy truck manufacturers to utilize their charging stations. If this were to occur then they could manufacture one mega charger design and install them in Europe as well.

[@mperlatti]

With the weight of these vehicles the regeneration of electricity on downhill grades should be phenomenal

[@JensSchraeder]

Theres a reason Frito Lay is using the Tesla semi. Because chips don’t weigh much!!!

[@hughvines4585]

You can’t hold a candle to something that doesn’t exist

[@dustinmeier9753]

I think they should take the smaller of the two semis (the one with the low profile cab), bob the rear tandem axle, make it AWD, add a 9’-ish dually bed, and de-rate the GVRW to exactly 26,000lbs to sell as a Medium Duty truck.

[@zbigniewteterycz1571]

SUPER IDEA . POZDRAWIAM WSZYSTKICH BARDZO SERDECZNIE .

[@JAM4111]

The Tesla Semi is the next generation of long haul tractors. It is just that simple. And there will be many new uses that will be developed that will make the Semi a radically more flexible and capable transportation vehicle. Think mixed mode trailers, refrigerated and dry or conditioned storage.all in one trailer using the Tesla heat pump or a derivative of it just as one example. The possibilities are endless.

[@bobbybishop5662]

it's not that simple and you are a goof for thinking that.

[@acegolfman3203]

Why? Because existing builders want to reuse their existing manufacturing as much as possible

[@corey1190]

Kamikoto knives are a scam. Shadiversity did an expose on this. They have a run of the mill steel quality. You want actual good knives then look into Wusthoff, Global, or Shun. For the same price Kamikoto charges you get a much better product with high quality steel. There are other high quality knives I didn't mention as well, but these are some of the best.

[@3dgar7eandro]

8:11 Elon is literally changing the 🌎 for the better next to enthusiastic hard working people that are trying to achieve a brighter future 💪😁👏👌👌

[@itisim]

I think hylion will pull it off

[@a1sleeper212]

Hi

[@ratman5003]

I hope that it is using the best Air Brake System... A start lone haul company would set up a relay system... Using this truck in the mountains of a route - switching to standard Diesel Trucks on the flats... Let say from Sacramento California to Eugene Oregon on Interstate 5 was to use the Electric Truck.. From Los Angeles to Sacramento California Eugene Oregon to Seattle Washington... This would speed up the current situation of getting over the mountains - improve business road trip time and lower it's fuel consumption. But it does this at a lower cost - as for fewer electric Trucks would be required up front to have a major change in the bottom line. The same thing for those routes over the Great Divide and other mountains. Then the cross the country - those lines below Below Interstate 40 - like 20 and 10 - not as cold as the ones north of that line... This could provide the charging stations to use Solar Panels and Wind at the Warehouse. Again cutting the fuel pump cost - then the routes in the Northern area could be used if the weather risk of vehicle loss is worth it. That's my view...

[@LeiffNathanAMendoza]

pure justice for environment and finance

[@NewCastleIndiana]

What was the top one to three bullet points for this long winded video? Thanks in advance.

[@DAVIDMILLER-nc9vo]

I think it very wise of Tesla to sell (or lease) their first fleet of Semi's to Pepsi's Frito Lay and not to Pepsi Cola. I think Tesla will weed out the kinks with truckloads of light weight merchandise, not bottles or cans of a soda drink. Go light, then go heavy. PS for those who do not know, Pepsi owns Frito Lay.

[@projectixj9868]

FYI "Flat-Faced" is called a Cab-Over. They are common in North America.

[@Maxdubi]

They’re not common at all. Not to say they don’t exist but they are pretty rare to see. Back in the 70s they were common but not now.

[@humanresources3545]

In Australia, truck dimensions are capped so that they can rationalise intersection design and prevent having to redesign and rebuild new intersections eg roundabouts.

[@mikefranzen]

First thing no driver nor company cares for 0-60. 2nd is that these should be for local deliveries only untill they can be supported around the country w/o issues as in charging, breakdowns and parts being limited. I don't see other companies such as crst, swift, werner, Schneider, trans am, cr, tmc, etc buying these until parts become common and don't take months to get, when they're not half a million per unit and when they can break the 700mile per "fill up"

[@lukeamato2348]

You know what's still better? Any diesel truck

[@charlesrovira5707]

The difference between the *Tesla Semi* and the other truck companies offering is that they're still trying to _innovate from disparate catalogs_ while *Tesla* makes _bespoke EV architectures._

[@pradeepdayav46]

Tesla is innovative company.. all there products are worth every penny

[@spyeatte]

This is a great start for the Tesla Semi. It will only get better as time goes by.

[@MrPaxio]

how? electricity cost has only been rising and rising

[@_Cookie_Warrior_]

@@MrPaxio and so has fuel price.

[@TempleScoop]

I wouldn’t want to be in a center or a truck driving especially if I was used to driving a semi all my life. I drove a truck for a very short time though. So hopefully it works out for the truck drivers and they feel safe in them and comfortable.

[@alanmay7929]

It’s also going to be super hard to adapt on such stupid design by tesla! The cameras will never replace hood eyes

[@ewardwwulin1674]

The braking of an electric truck will be incredibly safer using regenerative braking than air brakes.

[@alanmay7929]

@@ewardwwulin1674 nope lol….. electric trucks will have both types of braking regenerative alone won’t be enough even for emergencies

[@alanmay7929]

@@ewardwwulin1674 Diesel both have engine braking and physical brakes

[@ewardwwulin1674]

@@alanmay7929 yeah but it’s inefficient no regeneration.

[@pathfollower]

Some back of the napkin math points to each Semi would need to be delivered with one to two trailer loads of solar panels to provide its energy. 1.5 to 3 acres of solar per truck. There are two million Semis in the US.

[@pathfollower]

@@mattweisbart4061 its actually more about weight and square footage of solar required. 1.5 acres of solar on one bright sunny day to go 300 miles or so. There are a very few vehicles that can gain anything from onboard solar. Aptera that is to come out next year should be able to generate enough electricity on a sunny day to go about 40 miles. But that vehichle is an ultralight composite 2 seat three wheeler. Opposite of a truck.

[@williammaldonado5644]

How many of you that are commenting are truck drivers? There are many reasons the center driving position will be inconvenient. When backing into a real tight spot or backing out of a tight spot. you have to roll your window down and stick your head out and sometimes open the door and hang a quarter of your body out back up to make sure you have a clear view. Can’t do that if your sitting in the center. And then there’s a little stuff like I like rolling the window down and sticking your arm out to wave somebody down, smoke a cigarette, I know that’s the tiny things of life but it’s what were used to. And why isn’t there room for a second passenger? Yeah, I know I’m nitpicking. But there’s a lot of stuff that I can see that would be inconvenient sitting in the center. Any truckers on here?

[@neilmckechnie6638]

If the trucking company owns the trailer as well as the Tesla Semi, they could add multiple battery packs to the underside of the trailer frame to give a vastly increased range. Say, an additional 5 battery packs per trailer, giving the driver a potential 3000 mile range, without stopping to recharge. Where this would be of greater benefit, is if there is two drivers doing shifts or where the sole driver could sleep while the self-drive function continues the journey, once the technology to do so has matured. Thus, it may be possible to deliver a cargo from Los Angeles to New York in under 40hrs. With intelligent computer-controlled streamlining in convoy, the Dollar per mile efficiency cost could be further improved. If the intelligent convoy breaking and acceleration system is employed , this could conceivably work for a sole driver to coordinate his sleep time with being one of the central vehicles in the convoy, where the control of the convoy is controlled by the lead vehicle. Then, they can swap places with other trucks in the convoy to allow that driver to sleep to mitigate stopping.

[@kasandride3576]

I know a lot of people have a lot of hate for Elon musk and to be perfectly honest I don't care how they feel LOL the man has innovated several different products and has renewed several different markets. If just 10% of his ideas take light that will change the game in human nature forever. The problem is he has already done more than 10% of his market. From Tesla to PayPal SpaceX he has already proven that his ideas can come to fruition. I have faith in the semi strictly because of his insight and his capability to hire good people when it comes to creating simply Tesla alone. But combined with the Pi Phone, neurolink, SpaceX and the Mars adventure, the semi, and his robotics / AI, he has already proven that any one of these ideas will revolutionize the future. With his internet he has no true ability to stop the only thing I can say he needs to invest in now is a security firm and his own City LOL maybe I shouldn't have thrown that idea out there because if he does it... Well let's just say there is no stopping him

[@henryblanton6992]

Volvo VNR 300 4X2 (Daycab) Conventional with D11 Diesel with twin 75gal. Fuel Tanks: Approximately 16,000lbs. Volvo VNR Electric 300 4X2 Conventional, Electric Motor rated at 455Hp/4,051ftlbs of Torque. Fair Wheather Vehicle: Excessive Heat or Cold Degrades Batteries thus Decreasing already short range. Vehicle Weight: Approximately 25,00lbs.

[@robertpeters9438]

I think the battery management system needs a way to disable individual cells by addressing and severing fusable links to prevent a low percentage of bad cells from drawing down the battery pack.

[@thisismyname8627]

Like individual cell level fusing that already exists in the packs.