The REAL Reason Voldemort Chose HARRY over Neville (Dumbledore's DARK Plan)

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@HarryPotterTheory
@HarryPotterTheory 8 ай бұрын
300+ Theories: kzbin.info/aero/PLB5djWCQq2_fiFIn8mrvCeXnQ6i1vPfpT
@Knowledge.to_Come
@Knowledge.to_Come 8 ай бұрын
Its simple, Voldemort did not want his greatest enemy in the world to be named “Longbottom” .
@resandukalubovila3322
@resandukalubovila3322 8 ай бұрын
😂😂
@8bitKatwalk
@8bitKatwalk 7 ай бұрын
Long bottom sounds like a description of a snake 🐍
@SpartanSamurai8621
@SpartanSamurai8621 7 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@GeorginaD07
@GeorginaD07 7 ай бұрын
I laughed much harder at this one than I should 😂😂😂
@JMAN97712
@JMAN97712 7 ай бұрын
Yea I can believe that lol
@emmitstewart1921
@emmitstewart1921 8 ай бұрын
It is interesting that, in the end, as men, both Harry and Neville turned out to be equally courageous and resourceful. While Harry embarked on a perilous quest to hunt down and destroy the horcruxes, Neville returned to Hogwarts and became one of the leaders of the resistance there. We see the scars of that activity when he emerges from the portrait to meet and lead Harry back to Hogwarts.
@DevonLadd
@DevonLadd 4 ай бұрын
To be fair neville destroyed as many horcruxes as Harry
@NikonF5user
@NikonF5user 8 ай бұрын
It's important to remember that Voldemort sought Harry for some time, but Harry was hidden until Peter Pettigrew divulged his location. It's logical to assume that Neville was similarly hidden - and his location wasn't divulged. When the Longbottoms came out of hiding after Voldemort's downfall, they were able to be approached by Bellatrix...
@Knowledge.to_Come
@Knowledge.to_Come 7 ай бұрын
Voldemort chose harry, the death eaters chose neville. Nevile also ended up destroying the final horcrux. So in a way, they were both chosen.
@barstokians365
@barstokians365 8 ай бұрын
I think there must be some hint of destiny about the decision. Harry was protected because of Lily's sacrifice. However, as I understand it, the protection of sacrificial love requires that the sacrifice choose not to save themselves - and they must have the chance to do so. Neville's mother, though she undoubtedly loved Neville just as much as Lily loved Harry, would never have been given the chance to save herself, and therefore wouldn't have fit the requirements. Snape, even before he turned against Voldy, had sown the seeds for his destruction by begging for Lily's life.
@francisgrizzlysmit4715
@francisgrizzlysmit4715 7 ай бұрын
Yes I think you have it
@dsge3
@dsge3 8 ай бұрын
Neville's parents did not post about the pregnancy on wizard instagram, so Voldemort had no idea
@jamescahn87
@jamescahn87 7 ай бұрын
Wiztagram
@darcydoll437
@darcydoll437 7 ай бұрын
😂 ​@@jamescahn87
@francisgrizzlysmit4715
@francisgrizzlysmit4715 7 ай бұрын
lol🤠
@jdeljones
@jdeljones 7 ай бұрын
Neville would have never been the Chosen One. Lily's love protection of Ancient Magic happened bc Voldy gave her the choice to step aside bc of Snape. She chose to defend her son instead. It wasn't just purely because she died protecting him. If so, then James would have been able to do the same thing. The same thing happened in the Forbidden Forest. Voldy gave Harry the choice to settle it alone and protect everyone fighting in the Battle of Hogwarts. And as a result the same protection was provided over them. Without Snape pleading for Voldemort to not kill Lily, none of the pivotal moments in the story occur. Had he chose Neville instead of Harry he probably succeeds that night. And who knows what happens next?
@naregm5492
@naregm5492 6 ай бұрын
exactly this
@MadCaril
@MadCaril 8 ай бұрын
the real reason - he wanted to go for Harry first and then Neville, but dude got dead'ed before he could go to him :(
@AnonCommenter-k5m
@AnonCommenter-k5m 7 ай бұрын
no, barty crouch JR and Bellatrix were sent to deal with the longbottoms, voldemort chose Harry because the Potters are descendants for the Percivals or whatever that Deathly Hallows weilders family name is, Potters and Gaunts are very distantly related, so voldemort chose them cos theyre the more powerful family
@heshangunarathna3262
@heshangunarathna3262 14 күн бұрын
Realest reason = He didn't know where Longbottom's were. Unlike for potters they didn't have a traitorous rat animagus as a secret keeper. I think the Lestranges and Crouch only found theri place because they lowered their defenses following Voldemorts defeat.
@MythStarFire
@MythStarFire 8 ай бұрын
I believe the reason Bellatrix and the others tortured Frank and Alice Longbottom was her knowledge of the plan. I believe Voldemort’s plan that night was kill Harry then Neville. He told some of the Death Eaters, the plan was to kill The Potters then The Longbottoms not the babies. Voldemort could not be seen as worried about two babies, but their parents, yes that is ok. Bellatrix sees the Potters are dead, so the Longbottoms must know why Voldemort didn’t return. They were tortured to find out Voldemort’s location. She could have assumed Frank would know since he was an Auror, but they had people inside the ministry, why not ask them?
@rickvisser8296
@rickvisser8296 7 ай бұрын
All that work for Harry... while Neville casually destroyed Nagini.
@tanfer2003
@tanfer2003 8 ай бұрын
Voldemort attacked harry first because Harry was half blood like him. Voldemort saw himself in harry in a dark way. Dumbledore mentions this in the book
@cadeshanley218
@cadeshanley218 8 ай бұрын
Kinda like Joker to Batman.
@NRN7
@NRN7 8 ай бұрын
Harry wasn't half-blood, because Lili, though muggle born, was a witch. Voldemort's father was 100% muggle. Theory broken. ;)
@cadeshanley218
@cadeshanley218 8 ай бұрын
@@NRN7 But still. Lily is the Muggle half of the Potter family with James is the pure blood half of the family.
@EricasTouch
@EricasTouch 8 ай бұрын
@@NRN7Nope. Lily was a Muggle-born witch, and that does mean Harry is half-blood. Theory still stands.
@Pattmore
@Pattmore 8 ай бұрын
@@NRN7Harry was a half blood
@joshroco297
@joshroco297 7 ай бұрын
It was always my impression that it was Snape who marked the Potters. He overheard half of the prophecy and he immediately asked Voldemort to spare Lily, putting the target squarely on the Potters. I like the Dumbledoor theory it certainly is plausible.
@EltaninMalfoy
@EltaninMalfoy 8 ай бұрын
Here's where I have so so so many problems with Lily and James. I've already posted about it, but still, today's video made me even more confused. 1. James and Lily both being approached by the DEs while STILL at Hogwarts. Ok, I can see why they might come onto James. But Lily? Even if she's a talented witch, I don't think she'd ever be considered, being muggleborn. And stil at school? Just no. 2. Defying Voldy thrice. Here again the maths simply doesn't math for me. Ok, they joined the Order right after graduation (why is another theory to speculate. How did they know about it? Why would why join considering the Order was almost done with by that point? Who approach them? Big D?) But when and why did they have an oppotriunity to face not the DEs, but Uncle Vova himself? The prophecy came, as you've said, a month before Harry was born. The Potter were in hiding for over a year by that point. What interest did Voldy had in fighting these two? DEs - yes, but the Lord himself? Why would he bother with them before the prophecy came to be? With Frank and Alice it makes so much more sence! They were older (I'd wager they're about the same age as Lucius or Arthus and Molly), been Aurors for yeas as well as members of the Order. So of course you'd expect them to fight Voldy. But with the Potters it's just... doesn't really makes sense. Having said that, I do believe you were right to say that Harry was just the first (perhaps because Tom thought the Potters harder to find but easier to deal with) and Tom intended to go for Neville afterwards. And it seems like at least some of the DEs were aware of this plan as they were attacted right after that.
@annaqaddams9108
@annaqaddams9108 7 ай бұрын
He could have done it more for the psychological impact, much like the horsehead scene in The Godfather. The Potters were the ones who had the most sophisticated hiding ... and Voldemort found them. That in of itself is terrifying. You cannot hide from Voldemort, regardless of who's helping you ... even Dumbledore.
@ClarenceCochran-ne7du
@ClarenceCochran-ne7du 7 ай бұрын
No, I'd argue that Voldemort chose Harry because he was the only on of the two born on the day that the 7th month died. Neville was born a day earlier than Harry, which is why he sent the LeStranges to the Longbottoms, and didn't go himself. I'd also argue that Voldemort either knew or strongly suspected that James and Harry were the last of Ignotus Peverell's descendants. After all, he bragged about delving deeper in to Wizarding Lore than anyone before him. He already possessed one of the Hallows, the Stone of Resurrection, and by possessing all three, knew he would be the most powerful Wizard, the Master of Death. By knowing or suspecting the Potters, he also suspected James had Ignotus' Cloak of Invisibility, the third Hallow. His visit to Godric's Hallow wasn't just to kill James and Harry, but to seize the cloak as well. Little did he know that James had given the cloak to Dumbledore, for safekeeping before he, Lily, and Harry went into hiding. Too bad, as James could have used the Cloak to hide Harry, Lily and himself from Voldemort. Hiding though, wasn't in James' nature. It probably galled him to hide his family in Godric's Hallow. Voldemort may have resurrected a great many, nearly forgotten Evils, but he wanted the Deathly Hallows desperately.
@maryholder3795
@maryholder3795 8 ай бұрын
Dumbledore and Harry as a orphan and child soldier I subscribed to that after watching Michael Gambon in his role as Dumbledore. He was not the warm wizard as protrayed by Richard Harris. He was a schemers a calculator ss he guided Harry to sacrifice himself. About Richard Harris a gifted actor more than capable of portraying a schemer, but sadly it was not to be. We never saw his Albus as the films got darker and darker.
@irasoso32
@irasoso32 7 ай бұрын
Why on earth does anyone think Dumbledore would protect the Longbottoms? He didn't agree to protect the Potters simply because they were threatened; he only acted after Snape agreed to spy for him. Dumbledore did not give a s**t about people who were of no use to him. Remember, this is the same Dumbledore who would endanger all kids at Hogwarts (not only Harry) by: hiring Voldy-possessed Quirrell (whose troll certainly endangered Herminone) and incompetent Lockhart .. not to mention what happened to Cedric after a combination of Dumbledore hiring fake Moody and Dumbledore cooperating in the resurrection of the Tri-Wizard Tournament -- which had been cancelled for centuries because of the dangers it posed (notably to participants)
@quikesteve
@quikesteve 8 ай бұрын
Voldemort was very powerful and smart but also had a BIG ego and thought himself infallible. Once he decided to go after the Potters he would not consider any other options because to his eyes that would make him weaker.
@hunterkiller1440
@hunterkiller1440 8 ай бұрын
"Because if I say I wanna mess with Longbottoms would sound ridiculous. What am I? A crouching strange guy?" - Voldie probably
@mcathawk1490
@mcathawk1490 8 ай бұрын
You should do a video about how these “trancelike” prophecies come about, as they have MASSIVE implications in the story, and the wizarding world.
@jacobdrolet4262
@jacobdrolet4262 6 ай бұрын
Amazing video of why Voldemort went after the potters & Harry instead of the Longbottoms & Nevill,fantastic job.
@sandramacglashan1088
@sandramacglashan1088 8 ай бұрын
Great video thanks for sharing with me.
@grec.
@grec. 8 ай бұрын
I imagine Alice and Frank, as the efficient Aurors they were, would had not gone hiding but rather would have a plan to confront Voldemort and keep Neville safe. They would've probably sent Neville with Augusta to a safe place they were secretkeepers. This, of course, in case The Order would have tell them about the Prophecy. But even if Voldemort was successful about killing Harry i think it would had made no difference as who knows if Voldemort even knew that Neville was born at the same time as Harry. Because who knows what other little wizards were born too at the end of July, that year. Perhabs Voldemort targeted Harry and just went with that and Snape didn't divulged the prophecy to anyone else apart from Albus and Voldemort. So ...
@jpstardom3375
@jpstardom3375 8 ай бұрын
Born to thrice defied him. Meaning the only 2 pair of parents who went against voldy.... and lived... Are the potters... and longbottoms. The other wizards born on the end of that month dont fit. For their parents didnt defy voldemort. And of the 2, voldy chose harry, because he is like voldy, a half blood.
@grec.
@grec. 7 ай бұрын
@@jpstardom3375 Well, makes sense. But I'm not sure if Voldemort was aware of Neville too. And if he was, probably went out for the Potters first because he was convinced Harry was the one he had to kill.
@ClarenceCochran-ne7du
@ClarenceCochran-ne7du 7 ай бұрын
We mustn't discount Voldemort 's knowing that James was very important, perhaps even recognizing that James, and thus Harry, were the last of Ignotus Peverell's line. The Long bottom's were from a little ng line of a noble wizarding family, but they were not a descendant of the Peverells, the noblest of wizarding families, the family that cheated death. Voldemort, who had sought out more Dark Art than any wizard ever before him, including Gellert Grindelwald, knew of the Deathly Hallows, and had moved heaven and earth to possess two of them, would have desired Ignotus' cloak more than anything else, as possessing all three Hallows would make him the Master. I'd argue that Voldemort chose the Potters because he either suspected or outright knew that James/Harry were the last of Peverells, he went to Godric's Hollow not only to kill James and Harry, but to take the last Hallow. So he beats James, Lily's a mere inconvenience, a talented muggle born below his consideration, and kills her as she shields Harry. As he strikes at Harry, Lily's final gift to Harry protects him, Voldemort, in his arrogance, didn't recognize Lily's sacrifice at that moment, but when the curse rebounded, he most certainly realized his mistake, because he dwells on overcoming Lily's protection until he can incorporate it into himself. Back to Godric's Hallow, Voldemort wouldn't have Ignotus' cloak even if he hadn't tried to kill Harry, because it wasn't there, James having given it to Dumbledore shortly before he, Lily and Harry went into hiding. Preventing Tom from gaining all three Hollows had been part of the reason the Order of the Phoenix existed. Dumbledore knew, or suspected Tom had the Stone of Resurrection, but as long as the Deathstick and Cloak of Invisibility were kept from him, he could not become the Master of Death. In summary, Voldemort knew there were two children the prophecy could refer to So when it came to choosing which child was the greatest threat, "born as the seventh month dies" could only refer to one child, Harry. Neville, was born a day before Harry, thus the seventh month hadn't "died" when Harry was born. Voldemort may not have heard the entire prophecy, but he would have heard tidbits in the rumors and whisperings of the Wizarding World. But he also chose the Potters either because he knew James/Harry were the last of the Peverells, or he suspected through his extensive research into the Lore. Had Neville and Harry been born on the very same day, the issue would have been much more in doubt, but Harry was the only one of the two boys born on the very last day of July, possibly a few minutes or even at the moment (midnight) that July dies, and August begins.
@ladys45
@ladys45 7 ай бұрын
@@ClarenceCochran-ne7du THIS! its actually logical that Voldemort went after the potters. we know how arrogant and yet insecure he is. for him James Potter (and therefore Harry) is a bigger threat than the Longbottoms bc James comes from one of the most legendary family in the wizarding world and we all know he was considere very powerful and a skilled wizard. for him the Longbottoms were "nobodies" so he wouldnt even waste his time going after them
@laurendobinson5930
@laurendobinson5930 8 ай бұрын
Amazing video as always xx
@andylee6022
@andylee6022 6 ай бұрын
Trelawny's prophecies always has a backup.
@Larka661
@Larka661 7 ай бұрын
Last I checked, Dumbledore explained this to Harry in OOTP. Neville was pure blood, but voldemort went after the half-blood like himself. We arent really told how much of the prophecy Snape heard but he obviously heard "the dark lord shall mark him as his equal". But we also know Snape asked Voldemort to spare Lily. And because voldemort surprisingly agreed to this, is why the protection charm was created and voldemort lost his power. But I don't see where you're getting the idea that Dumbledore chose harry? Dumbledore heard the prophecy, and even Dumbledore said prophecies don't have to be fulfilled. That was Voldemort's choice. And Harry and voldemort are similar, Harry grew up in a miserable home, just like voldemort. But Harry wasn't bitter and full of anger like Tom Riddle, Harry was humble and kind. And again, Snape asking Voldemort to spare Lily is very important, because if Voldemort just went in wand blazing, no one would've lived.
@alexburt1323
@alexburt1323 7 ай бұрын
Great video 😊! Either he never had the chance to or out of the 4 wizarding parents, Lily was a bigger threat to Voldemort. Potentially she could have been a possible Head Mistress of Hogwarts. And she not only studied magic but she understood what magic was all about. Lily; not Dumbledore; was the true antithesis to Tom Riddle.
@tfsheahan2265
@tfsheahan2265 8 ай бұрын
The half-blood aspect caries the perception that Vol feared the unknown, and the pure-bloods were a known that he knew he could control. Get the unknown first.
@pamelaoldham1298
@pamelaoldham1298 7 ай бұрын
Love these deep dives!
@heshangunarathna3262
@heshangunarathna3262 14 күн бұрын
What is more sensible explanation is Potter cottage in Godric' hollow is the only place Voldemort had the possibility of attacking. Longbottom secret keepers wasn't peter Pettigrew. First of all, unlike the popular theory of Voldemort having a choice of choosing who to attack and choosing Harry is utter nonsense. The prophecy is a real deal. Snape asking Voldemort to spare Lily giving her chance to choose to sacrifice herself, Snape betraying Voldy due to his obsession about Lily, Worm tail accidentally becoming the secret keeper due to Sirius reasoning about himself being too obvious...These are just random things that happened which eventually led to Voldemort's attack on Godrick hollow cottage on Halloween 1981. Fate was pushing Voldemort toward attacking potters. The circumstances were too convenient but unlikely to be a result of Dumbledore manipulation.
@diegomartinez7180
@diegomartinez7180 7 ай бұрын
I have another possibility. If I remember well, Snape was the one who overheard part of the prophecy and informed it to Voldemort. Once he did, he realised that everything pointed to Lily and her newborn son, so he decided to give himself up to Dumbledore and tell him everything he knew, with the single condition that Dumbledore would protect the Potters and keep Lily safe. Well, Voldemort DID KNOW (Snape told him) that Dumbledore was present when the prophecy was pronounced, and when Snape "forced" Dumbledore to place the Potters under protection, he inadvertently targeted them. It is only logical that if Dumbledore knows about the prophecy and is protecting the Potters, he knows who this "chosen one" is, and is trying to keep him safe. I can imagine Voldemort deducing exactly that. Anyhow, I do agree, after "dealing" with the Potters, for good measure, he would have gone to "deal" with the Longbottoms too. Maybe that's why he sent his best lieutenant to find -and torture- them? (after all Bellatrix did exactly that same thing, when she tortured Hermione right before calling Voldemort).
@Southernbredbread
@Southernbredbread 8 ай бұрын
I strongly disagree with the thought of he wanted Harry first then Neville because any smart villain (similarly anyone with common sense) would just stop going for Harry until he got stronger from killing Neville and gaining another holcrux. My prediction was he had both Harry and Neville as options and first went for Harry. Voldemort found Harry to be his true equal and boom the story begins.
@chloedinwiddie4116
@chloedinwiddie4116 8 ай бұрын
Voldemort also had more insider information about the potters via worm tail so that could’ve just helped him go to the potters first
@he-lium
@he-lium 8 ай бұрын
I wanna know the reason why Dumbledore told *anyone* about the prophecy Trelawney made during an informal interview, leading to Voldemort seeking out 2 potential infants that might be his end
@navyarayavarapu
@navyarayavarapu 8 ай бұрын
Dumbledore never told anyone. Snape was eavesdropping and heard the first half of it
@chequesaurus
@chequesaurus 8 ай бұрын
Voldemort had to know about the prophecy in order to fulfil the prophecy
@he-lium
@he-lium 7 ай бұрын
@@navyarayavarapu OK but then I don't understand Snape's motivation to eavesdrop on an informal interview with a mediocre Divination professor 😂 I mean was he just not busy that day or what?!
@chrisdonahue4205
@chrisdonahue4205 7 ай бұрын
Thanks i read the books just dont remember the movie makes it seem as though voldemort went looking for the prophecy because he didnt know it in order of the phoenix so if he didnt know why attack the boys at all....
@EricasTouch
@EricasTouch 7 ай бұрын
@@he-lium They were both looking for jobs at Hogwarts. Sybil says this when talking to Harry about the prophecy.
@mecahhannah
@mecahhannah 8 ай бұрын
Awesome as always thanks ❤
@MB-ub1qi
@MB-ub1qi 8 ай бұрын
Snape says "but HE (V) thinks it's HER (L's) son to Dumbledore in the movie. Maybe Lily was the deciding factor ??
@crystalgreen3677
@crystalgreen3677 8 ай бұрын
Interesting theories. Thank you for giving me something to think about.
@grokeffer6226
@grokeffer6226 8 ай бұрын
I was just wondering about this a few days ago.
@Supreme0757
@Supreme0757 7 ай бұрын
Neville is the only person in the entire Harry Potter franchise other than Dumbledore and Harry himself to stand up to Voldemort . Neville is one of the greatest characters and gryffindors
@wachyfanning
@wachyfanning 8 ай бұрын
Dumbledore didn't anticipate Wormtail turning on the Potters. I'm guessing he DID help the Longbottoms hide, but they came out of hiding after Voltemort died.
@Uberdude6666
@Uberdude6666 7 ай бұрын
Lol, morally grey-Dumbledore. What most people don't realize is that there was actually a second "lost part" to this prophecy. One which only Voldemort got to hear. "One of the boys shall become a clumsy comic relief, while the other shall become a resourceful, inventive, heroic, athletic dude. But who knows which will become the greatest threat..."
@J3r_B3ar
@J3r_B3ar 5 ай бұрын
Or…he chose the child of the woman his best frie…colleage, Severus Snape (Snoop!). This could have been to test Snape’s loyalty whilst removing distractions, never considering Snape turning Snoop out of love since Riddle never considered that as the answer to anything. Except Nagini. I’m sure Freud would’ve had a lot to say about *that*. 😅
@ladys45
@ladys45 7 ай бұрын
He targeted the Potter bc James Potter was actually a very skilled and competent wizard, he was one of the most important soldier in the Order. he comes from a noble family, he's a Peverell and was very respected and probably one of the leaders of the order. Lily even if she was a muggle born was also very skilled, respected and popular. the Longbottoms despite beeing very talend were actually "common" so even if they were purebloodss, Voldy didnt actually see their value. the Potters were probably 2nd in command next to Dumbledore. Killing the potters for Voldemort would be a huge lost to the order and would weakend them mentally and in term of the their strenght. its actually logical he went after the potter bc they were more "powerful"
@TarenGibson
@TarenGibson 8 ай бұрын
TDG FULLSUPPORT BIG FAX
@christianrichard9029
@christianrichard9029 2 ай бұрын
It’s literally stated in the prophecy that Voldemort himself will mark whichever he chose as his equal. Voldemort was essentially, his own downfall
@donaldfrederick501
@donaldfrederick501 7 ай бұрын
Simply put, Voldemort, as a half blood himself, viewed another half blood to be threat vs a pure blood. The end.
@anadmirer8789
@anadmirer8789 7 ай бұрын
The scenarios you describe here would make for an incredible prequel novel. 😀
@MonographicSingleheadedM-sp2wk
@MonographicSingleheadedM-sp2wk 7 ай бұрын
I have a slightly different idea. Chosen one. Chosen by who? By Voldie. Dumbledore probably left Longbottom as scapegoats hoping deatheaters would stop at killing them, maybe. Hoping a half blood could hode better, WHILE wishing to mentor him to shape. Dumblie just had to direct the spotlight a bit. Didnt work ofc. One rat remained.
@Sapphiresenthiss
@Sapphiresenthiss 8 ай бұрын
The *REAL* reason was mentioned in the book, I believe - Voldy saw HIMSELF in Harry.
@scottpemberton9162
@scottpemberton9162 8 ай бұрын
Voldy just never got the chance to kill the longbottoms, however, didn't Bellatrix already torture the longbottoms before voldy went to the potters? So how would his mother even be able to protect him if their already in Saint mongos?
@xilvoltonnamifox1997
@xilvoltonnamifox1997 8 ай бұрын
Bellatrix tortured the long bottoms after Voldemort disappeared because they were order members and she thought they knew his whereabouts
@rcorrs6576
@rcorrs6576 7 ай бұрын
Cannot help but one might be other thinking the reason Voldemort selected Harry. First part: it was revealed that Voldemort did not know the prophecy in full or he would never had to go after it at the Ministry. Secondly: Voldemort knew that Dumbledore did know the prophecy in full. To this end it would be reasonable to assume that Voldemort would that the child that Dumbledore tried to hide from him would in fact be the one that was mentioned in the prophecy.
@Tmoney_420_
@Tmoney_420_ 8 ай бұрын
A pothole I’ve always thought about is that in the first wizard war why did Snape inform Dumbledore that Pettigrew was working for Voldemort
@weswheel4834
@weswheel4834 7 ай бұрын
Interesting theory about Dumbledore. How about Snape though. Snape told V about the prophecy to curry favour without really believing it. When he found out V would kill Neville or Harry, he made it all about Harry because of Lily.
@scottpemberton9162
@scottpemberton9162 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video I love watching these and coming up with theories with my boyfriend....even tho he isn't as much of a potterhead as me he still indulges me lol
@TomsBackyardWorkshop
@TomsBackyardWorkshop 8 ай бұрын
Pretty sure Snape is the main reason.
@nanetteharshaw6899
@nanetteharshaw6899 7 ай бұрын
I Agree! Voldemort decision to take out HP first, was because, he didn’t want to compete for Snape’s loyalty. Snape asking for Lily’s life to be spared, probably worried Voldemort
@naregm5492
@naregm5492 6 ай бұрын
There is 0 chance it was going to be Neville. The only reason Harry got marked was because Voldy gave Lily a chance to save herself. He would not have done the same to Alice Longbottom. It all hinged on Snape's connection to Lily.
@usmcwhtmike1
@usmcwhtmike1 7 ай бұрын
I would argue he choose the potters because of Snape and his ties to lily. With Snape begging voldemort to spare lily it is highly likely that voldemort may have seen the potters, especially lily, as a rival in the sense of having Snape true allegiance
@patrickwilkerson1728
@patrickwilkerson1728 8 ай бұрын
There could have been other new born witches or wizards born at the end of July as well.
@eddiemango
@eddiemango 8 ай бұрын
I don’t know if Lily would have been a potential recruit for a DE given here muggle born background
@jkrause365
@jkrause365 7 ай бұрын
Sounds like a well thought out back story to me.
@michellechouinard4958
@michellechouinard4958 8 ай бұрын
Snape literally said, "He thinks the prophecy means the Potters." So why would Dumbledore think the Longbottoms need protection, if that was the case? Well, maybe the Longbottoms didn't need Dumbledore's protection at all. Let's just all agree, it was beyond stupid for the Potters to make anyone their Secret Keeper except for Dumbledore or James. They were putting a target on their friend's back, and forcing that friend to prove his loyalty through potential torture and death. Honestly, James was a total idiot to do this. He and Sirius seem like complete bros: willing to make obscenely stupid choices all because the old man (Dumbledore) dared cast any aspersions on their bros' loyalty. Of course, Peter was made secret-keeper and immediately went to tell Voldemort, so... it makes sense Voldemort went after Harry right away and not Neville. He probably didn't have any leads on the Longbottoms yet. My guess is that the Longbottoms hadn't actually announced the birth of Neville yet, not wanting to give Death Eaters the idea of using their baby against them. They didn't know about the Prophecy, but they did know the Death Eaters wanted to take them down. The Potters may have done the same, but of course Peter told Voldemort all about it. We also have to assume Neville wasn't with Frank and Alice when the Death Eaters tortured them to insanity (Bellatrix totally would have tortured him to make his parents talk), so they probably gave him to Augusta at some point to protect him. Neville might even have been sent abroad after he was born, for all we know. I believe that if he'd been able to kill Harry and then learned about Neville, Voldemort would have killed him as well just to be safe. But I do not think he knew about him yet, which is why he targeted Harry. And Dumbledore, knowing the measures the Longbottoms had taken to protect Neville, probably thought he was in little danger.
@Obez45
@Obez45 7 ай бұрын
It's still good to know that even if Voldemort chose Neville Voldemort still would have lost judging from Neville's performance during his last years at Hogwarts.
@Johan92Johansson
@Johan92Johansson 7 ай бұрын
Snape asked Dumbledore to protect the Potters because hes Love for Lilly. Snape was the one who told the dark lord about the prophecy
@PedroSilva-wq9xp
@PedroSilva-wq9xp 7 ай бұрын
I do believe Neville wouldn't survive had voldemort tried to kill him instead of Harry, Lily's protection only worked because she was inicially spared ( I'm not sure but i did read somewhere that Snape conviced Voldemort to spare her) but still chose to die to save Harry. I'm pretty sure Voldemort wouldn't spare Neville's parents, so he wouldn't be protected and would have died.
@stevegallo8483
@stevegallo8483 8 ай бұрын
Voldemort never heard the whole prophecy. Remember that Snape ran to tell him of the prophecy before Trelawney had finished the prophecy, But yeah, I agree he went for the half-blood (Harry) first.
@AnonCommenter-k5m
@AnonCommenter-k5m 7 ай бұрын
He didnt choose, no one knew exactly what the prophecy meant from its words. But voldemort went to the Potters cos theyre a stronger and more respectable family compared to the longbottoms, thats why Barty Crouch JR and Bellatrix were sent to Longbottoms. The Potters are distant relatives to the Gaunts, hence why voldemort was preferably trying to convert them up until the prophecy was heard and then Voldemort started actively hunting for them and he never intended to kill Lilly, he knew killing lilly would cost him Severus Snape, but Lilly gave him no choice and therefore, Sure harry potter played a big role, but none of it was possible without Snape turning on voldemort lol. What im saying is, That prophecy didnt just create 1 powerful enemy for voldemort, it created Many many powerful enemies, and the only reason harry is the chosen one is cos his mum sacrificed herself and cause voldemort to turn HP into a horcrux which made voldemort so weak having split his soul like 7 or 8 times by that point, but this time was unintentional, We know thats its possible to kill without splitting your soul... The real question is, why did voldemorts soul split and create another horcrux when he clearly didnt intend to? Was it the power of Lilly's love? Is it killing with intend to create one, or is it killing with primal emotion? Voldemort didnt want to kill Lilly, so when she blocked the curse with her own body and died from that, maybe the rage or emotion voldermort felt, knowing that he has now lost his most LOYAL followers, Snape, Maybe that emotion/rage is what causes the horcrux to be created. Edit: Another theory ive had is, What is the horcrux in Harry is created when his mother is killed, intentional or not, regardless, So when Voldemort then turns his wand on HP and tries to kill him, its the slither of voldemorts own soul which deflects/reflects the curse back at voldemort. In all honesty, there is no explaination ever given that i'm aware of, its literally just thats the best way her childs story worked and she never expected that 20 years later people would still be wondering and speculating on all the unexplained people, places and events that happen in her fictional story, which was written in a time when 'canon' did not exist, people just took their FICTIONAL stories for what they are and not nit pick at every plot hole, and unexplained mystery for the next 20 years. But i dont think JK minds anyway, im sure she enjoyed making other medias to clarify things for people with inquisitive minds One thing a lot of people dont realise, cos they didnt read the books. Potters and Gaunts (voldemorts family) are related to the same Ancestor family, the most powerful family in wizarding history believe their name is Percivals or something, Perci-something, perivials I'd have to google it, cos its been like 20 years since i read the books
@andrzejzborowski4920
@andrzejzborowski4920 7 ай бұрын
My explanation is different. I think it may have been Peter Pettigrew who suggested Voldemort kill the Potters. He may have had a plan to kill the other Marauders. If the Dark Lord had won, his Death Eaters and he would have tracked down Sirius and Remus and killed them.
@chimmyinfernape9189
@chimmyinfernape9189 7 ай бұрын
Personally I think he had preplanned a attack of both harry and Neville, think about it when he disappeared why did Barry crouch and bellatrix go after the long bottoms, because they thought Voldemort was targeting them as well
@Edward-nf4nc
@Edward-nf4nc 4 ай бұрын
Pure-blood are true wizards and witches. He's a half-blood, so he's only half wizard. Harry is also a half-blood, but has two magical parents whist he only has one! You could say he has more of a chance against Harry than Neville! However, as Ron said of Neville concerning purity of blood "He's a pure blood and can hardly stand a cauldron the right way up". Put it that way, he'd stand a much better chance against Neville, a pure-blood, than Harry, a fellow half-blood! AKA, he went after Harry instead of Neville because he was scared of Neville!
@georgeharris6851
@georgeharris6851 8 ай бұрын
Why do a lot of people call Harry, a half-blood, when both parents were wizards? Half-bloods are supposed to have one muggle parent and one wizard parent.
@Michaelgabriel95
@Michaelgabriel95 8 ай бұрын
I think it’s because lily is muggle born and James is a pure blood, which I guess would make him half blood
@georgeharris6851
@georgeharris6851 8 ай бұрын
It's seems like there should be another term for Harry's blood status, like mixed blood. Someone between a half-blood and a full-blood.
@ginantsfan5
@ginantsfan5 7 ай бұрын
Most awesome vid!!!!!!
@grawp45
@grawp45 8 ай бұрын
I think Voldemort flipped a coin to help him decide who to go after.
@SeanLigman-yo6yc
@SeanLigman-yo6yc 7 ай бұрын
Arent Harry and Voldemort both related to the Peverilles? I believe Voldemort would be well acquainted with lineages, what with his Pureblood mania and his feelings about his own status as a half Blood. He would at least had some passing knowledge being that one assumes the Death Eaters would be made or at least driven to relate thier own lineages. If indeed they are related to the Pevirille line, and Neville is not, that would make the part of the prophecy about equals , something Voldemort would seize upon to make his choice...
@Crashburn711TeamXtinction
@Crashburn711TeamXtinction 7 ай бұрын
Umm, i will say that it says plain and simple as the mouth dies, Neville was born a day before on the 30th, Harry was born on the day the mouth died the 31st, end of conversation, and Dumbledore did hide Neville and his parents he was their secret keeper, i would also like to point out that Dumbledore should have been the Potter's secret keeper.
@MrCyru24
@MrCyru24 7 ай бұрын
The answer is he uses the time turner to see the outcome of saving both of them and let the timeline we know play out
@Gr8NPowerfulOly
@Gr8NPowerfulOly 8 ай бұрын
I agree with the idea that he Planned to kill both, but the first attempt didnt go so well.
@TheWanderingFire
@TheWanderingFire 7 ай бұрын
The Longbottoms had a better Secret Keeper.
@richewilson6394
@richewilson6394 8 ай бұрын
It's just still dumb is that the members of the Phoenix didn't have the secret keeper spell on their homes because of their association.
@dsmyyyth511
@dsmyyyth511 7 ай бұрын
Maybe Neville was next.
@LetPlayMaker10743
@LetPlayMaker10743 8 ай бұрын
Honestly i still wonder why anyone followed Voldmort for 1 reason, they where all about the Pure Bloods being the rightfull witches and wizards... in away, but Voldmort was a half blood? i can see only fear holding them back but if all of them ganged up on him there's no way he could of won... unless plot armor.
@rickywebb1803
@rickywebb1803 7 ай бұрын
With how quickly the longbottoms were attacked after Voldemort fell I have a theory bellatrix was instructed to go after the longbottoms if anything happened
@Caveman_420
@Caveman_420 7 ай бұрын
He had to just pick one, to pick Both of them would show his following that he's not perfect. And besides to kill all the first born that year, that story was already done
@theantithesis1035
@theantithesis1035 7 ай бұрын
I am so sick of hearing about Neville possibly being the one from the prophecy. It literally states “as the 7th month dies” which means the last day. Not the day before. If he was born on the same day I could see why but a day before? Come on. It’s annoying at this point.
@AntoinettexKitten
@AntoinettexKitten 7 ай бұрын
I wish Neville had ended him. That would have been a funny twist
@mcathawk1490
@mcathawk1490 8 ай бұрын
Neville DID destroy the last horcrux though. Does that count for anything? Love your videos, you’re the best.
@badbiker666
@badbiker666 7 ай бұрын
Harry is a half-blood? I know that his mother was muggle-born, but both Harry's parents were magical, so wouldn't that keep Harry from being so described? I don't know about James family. Were they muggles as well? I am not aware if that is ever addressed in the books or the movies.
@tamstertx63
@tamstertx63 7 ай бұрын
James was a pure blood wizard, Lily was Muggle born, so Harry was considered a Half Blood
@michaelazarov2065
@michaelazarov2065 7 ай бұрын
How did Voldemort even know the exact date that Harry was born? Why wasn't it kept as a secret if Dambeldor knew the prophecy?
@heatherjones6647
@heatherjones6647 8 ай бұрын
I think V would have gone for both of them but started with Harry because he wanted to kill Lily as well to test Snape by hurting him where it would hurt most. This back fired, too, because Snape then was compelled by horror, grief, and disgust into the life of a double agent and Dumbledore's tool.
@LegioXXI
@LegioXXI 8 ай бұрын
Sorry, but this is nonsense. Voldemort actually respected Snapes wish and offered Lily to be spared. She refused, and that enabled the whole sacrifice spell to work in the first place.
@dietdrpepper15
@dietdrpepper15 8 ай бұрын
Or if Voldemort had stopped fangirling over divination he would have easily won.
@tarmaskhalifa871
@tarmaskhalifa871 7 ай бұрын
Neville longbottom and the philosophers stone.
@darcydoll437
@darcydoll437 7 ай бұрын
As many times as I've read the books, I had forgotten that Neville was born on the 30th, not the 31st. Doh 🤦‍♀️. We had even had discussions about this in our book group. Oy vey. I did always believe that Voldemort chose Harry because they were both half bloods. That theory always resonated the most for me. Really fun video. (makes note to go re-read the books now 😂)
@DrankenDune
@DrankenDune 7 ай бұрын
They offered “death eater-ship” to the muggle born lily potter? Lily Evans* they were still in school.
@nancyramsey7013
@nancyramsey7013 8 ай бұрын
Harry isn't a half-blood. Both his parents are magical. Not the long lineage of the Longbottom family but pure blood nonetheless. Am i wrong?
@official_bn8tion
@official_bn8tion 7 ай бұрын
no offense buddy but you seem to forget that harry descends from Ignotus Peverell, one of the three brothers of the deadly hallows.... so harry in fact from his father side is a pure blood
@bobpower2018
@bobpower2018 7 ай бұрын
voldemort choose harry beacuse he is chosen one and he gave harry a lighting scar as well
@GabLapolicePianiste
@GabLapolicePianiste 7 ай бұрын
Why Dumbledore don't make the same charm with longtbottom and make Longtbottom the keepsecret of Potter and Potter the keepsecret of Longbottom.
@marcusmukungurutse688
@marcusmukungurutse688 7 ай бұрын
But isn't it wierd the death eaters attacked the longbottoms after
@s4xtt
@s4xtt 7 ай бұрын
Because Anaconda dun want none unless u got buns, longbottom has the most buns alright whereas potter has none so Voldy went for them instead 😂
@marcelsgroot
@marcelsgroot 7 ай бұрын
It because of the titles. Books called Harry Potter sell more then books called Neville Longbottom. Think of how it sounds asking your friends. Have you read the latest Longbottom. XD
@darthstigater6642
@darthstigater6642 7 ай бұрын
What if Harry fit the prophecy better than Nevil because he was born closer to the end of the month?
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