The Recent Scaling Changes and What it Means for Tanks... (+Tierlist Update)

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[@Draco69lord]

Wild that brewmaster might end up being the highest dps tank just by being forgotten

[@rhombodazzle9700]

I'ma hit you with some knowledge in season 2 of DF when guardian was top tank and it was nerfed....they also nerfed brewmaster DMG with only 3% of the player base they still nerfed it....when we had 2 seasons of prot pally and vengeance dominance when they nerf vengeance demon hunters so they wouldn't be as strong anymore guess what they also nerfed brewmaster...because at the time they did do the most DMG again only like 3-5% of the player base still got nerfed.....they may not be plentiful but blizzard always got a hard on to nerfing brewmaster

[@rhombodazzle9700]

Not blaming him but this why in the brewmaster community we joke and when we get a nerf we got "thanks equinox" because that player singlehandedly is carrying the brew community on their back

[@Harubrew]

@@rhombodazzle9700 Mordrim is calling?? tf xd

[@rhombodazzle9700]

@@Harubrew man all I wish is that they would cave in make it a follow capstone to stormsouts that is the "keg of the heavens" tier set.....it wasn't game breaking especially since in that season blood DK most famously solor 30% of a boss on tyrannical when his team gave up in mdi did we mention it was a +30....just gave extra DMG to keg smash, healed 66% (nerf it to 40%) of DMG dealt by keg smash and have you a stacking HP buff up to 10%...... Self healing issues that work with shadowpan ✔️ Extra tankiness for using our main ability (could even nerf it to only 5% max health) ✔️ DMG to make it a worthy capstone ide devote my points into ✔️✔️✔️

[@rhombodazzle9700]

This would even work with weapons of order would it make it an auto pick and cause is to ignore all the ox stance stuff yes but it's what's needed truthfully

[@enzoshink7597]

"BdK iS mEtA" not even one week later on ptr:

[@jakubkobylinski4385]

bdk is good for low to mid level range of keys every season, it falls off later every fucking time

[@timmy3211]

Even if they had released the patch as it was, blood would not have been meta

[@laicuan1]

Blood is going to be pog. With deathstrike cleaving now they will be unkillable in almost all content.

[@general93t74]

@@laicuan1 no it won't. the cleave won't x3 healing because even 1 ds makes 0 to 100. x3 0 to 100 = 0 to 100. same works for blood shield as well. this set works only in m+ and only for dps. no additional mitigation

[@laicuan1]

@@general93t74 BDK has always been one of the top raid tanks. this change in for M+ is great for when u dont have to heal for 80%. will help with opening of pulls and smoothing out damage where the only way to kill them is from a 1shot.

[@driiifter]

I've been confused for at least 3 expansions now what their direction goal is supposed to be when it comes to healer/tank doing damage. Do they want them doing damage or not? I'm so confused.

[@madmidder]

How can we know if they don't know either?

[@enzoshink7597]

They look for the perfect spot where its bad enough for players to hate the game but not enough for them to quit

[@illiberalautist2222]

They only design the game for dps. They are clueless about tanks and EXTREMELY clueless about healers.

[@tim9570]

There are too many tank and healer thats why they raising the difficulty on both of them.

[@billymays9296]

@tim9570 has to either be trolling or is massively stupid. Not sure which yet. Also it's not made harder when it's nerfed to do less dmg, it's just made boring.

[@gooseg3822]

I feel like a lot of dps don’t really do a lot more dps than season 1 It feels weird considering the ilvl gain

[@dillydallyyyy]

I mean the damage going up a lot or a little or at all doesn't matter. Damage required to kill a mob is just an arbitrary number they can do whatever they want with. They could make everyone do 1k dps like they have in the past and that could be " a lot" for that season or make it 20 million, doesn't matter.

[@olawfhjorth9985]

The second highest dps looked really low on all those logs, and hunters looked really high!

[@bobbythememe]

Ty for the content king

[@ИванЩекань]

Do u think what mistweaver dps/hps and no damage reducing at all can overcome disc's 2xPS shields and barrier? As we know so far they both has same hps, but monk has way more dps Im really interested in ur opinion at this point

[@ihalia]

Since we are having trashpacks staying up longer, won't UH dks also get a lot of value? Especially now that they dramatically buffed their ST dps and the s2 tier set tosses rng completely out the window and you get the full effect for as long as you got your cds up. It will be an infinite cycle of scythes, same with warlock's infernals I bet and rain of fire I assume.

[@Formi427]

And for locks with RoF spam, there should be a change that makes rof have the option to follow a target. No more worries with tanks moving about if the mob group is still together.

[@dillydallyyyy]

Why are you asking a question and then answering it immediately after?

[@Dilllll26]

Let me introduce you to a little guy called blood beast if you think UH dk has had rng removed LOL

[@vaenaris808]

@@dillydallyyyy its more like stating a theory and then the evidence on your theory, and then hoping other knowledgeable players can engage in conversation with your theory

[@ihalia]

@ You see, the problem with bloodbest is when you get it midfight and it explodes when half the mobs are dead. But with larger instances of combat, you will definitely get value out of it. But even if u dont, just play riders man XD

[@NoleashYT]

Disc Priest, Aug & Enhance again? Blizzard needs to do something cause it’s actually ridiculous at this point & VDH was just meta S3 & S4 of DF. I would hate to see it again already making it 3/4 last seasons meta…

[@whaddad90]

Dude chill out there is still about a month of tuning left. Also these are just predictions they aren't indicative of what the actual meta will be

[@jkenn8973]

Wahhhhh

[@NoleashYT]

@@whaddad90 Yeah but they should not still be this strong. PTR has also been out for 5 weeks. Yeah there is lots of time left, agreed.

[@Aggrofool]

@@whaddad90 "chill there is still time" always ends in tears

[@DaveTheeMan-wj2nk]

The problem with having a top tier tank talking about what changes mean for tanks is that his idea of what's "easy" and what's "hard" or "difficult" isn't in line with the reality of others. The content to most actually feels even MORE difficult than before the changes. AS the scaling stacked from mythic 0 + ANyone who doesn't believe that, just download PTR and watch as you, and your team are obliterated.

[@peterpain6625]

Still valuable information though. Just change "easy" to "maybe you can do it", "hard" to "you'll get wrecked brutally" and "difficult" to "mobs will violate you with a white hot steel pineapple" ;)

[@riddert4966]

Going to be an interesting season.. Staying prot pala for now and see what happens

[@NoleashYT]

Pally is still and always a solid pick. Ret can see some play in groups with no pally priest especially for Priory and of course they utility is the best in the game with sham & druid.

[@tralavala9808]

@@NoleashYT yeah, im going ret for raids ( cause tanks are always given via power of friendship and drama;)) and prot for my m+ group. Hopefully stats will stay same as now so gear for ret will be good for prot

[@NoleashYT]

@ Sounds genius to me!

[@GorzkiZiom]

How tank damage reflects for solo content?

[@jespermeineche2603]

Is Vengeance still bugged or omega-busted? 'Cause they'll prolly fix it right, if it is that strong?

[@JaydenRecard]

It’s fixed

[@joveonlightbringer9684]

Is mob health going up relative to LIVE (adjusted for season), or only going up relative to what it was previously on PTR? The blue post sounds to me like the latter, like they fixed a bug.

[@thierryfaquet7405]

Your options are the same…

[@Liuouis]

anybody who's looked at prot pal tier set and think it won't be broken either have no idea about how the spec works, or is crazy sandbagging

[@briceps1]

Im going to tank but ill be honest, if i feel weak again its not worth it to me.

[@isaaclalnunzira6981]

reading some of the comments, people are really over exaggerating. All non S tier are just a step or 2 below as stated by Yoda which means theyre all pretty viable.

[@athraxz3899]

I don't think it's gonna be a bdk season but really hope it will. It's been a while for them now

[@hiddevanzalm272]

as a healer, please keep it out =)

[@rebelpoet7587]

@@hiddevanzalm272 100% agree. DK's health bar is heart attack inducing. I hope it never ever becomes meta.

[@asto-1255]

Why do we have to sort ta ls according to damage? Thats where I think blizzard failed mythic plus the most. Tanks and healers have to be doing insane damage. And tanking or healing is not enough anymore.

[@Rgoiwnes]

I'm quitting the expansion if it's enh/aug/priest again. That shit is so anti-fun to play with.

[@zeitz4473]

Then play a different comp. Choose your own experience. Personally I just invite whoever i want that have the utility that I require. TBF i do not push for title so if thats something that you do then you are for sure in for a more difficult experience but it can be done.

[@LoLPaTCH101]

Why whine… play what you want to play and make your own team or push your own key. There are plenty of non-meta classes that are pushing title and everything below. Unless you’re planning to push the literal top keys in the world then ur class/comp make very little difference. And the fact that you’re complaining in Yoda’s comment section I’ll go ahead and assume youre not pushing those top keys… so go figure out what you enjoy the most and get at it.

[@josecortez6456]

squishvegan does phys godcomp which is hunter outlaw rogue gdruid mwmonk and fury war like every season and does respectably high keys with his group lol u dont have to play meta

[@jkenn8973]

Yeah man because basing the game off tier lists is the how to do it for sure. Ask all those unholy dks and vdhs that shit all over the mdi

[@libertariansasquatch]

See ya..

[@itharim5884]

Its not that wierd that tank damage is low. Since tanks dont get the aug stat buff anymore. Blizz buffed the aggro but not the damage.

[@wrongman5495]

thx yoda for feedback, the season seem terrible

[@DailyLifeCatalyst]

And I just boosted a BM!

[@davidgreenberg8456]

Brewmaster or Beast Mastery?

[@MrMoMartini]

@@davidgreenberg8456 Brewmaster is BrM

[@dillydallyyyy]

Hell yeah flavor of the month gamer over here. You're gonna fall asleep so fast on that grandpa spec.

[@lucasbuttenbender]

These changes are music to my ears

[@objec]

i hope they remove MC cheese shits...

[@jgro9]

bro SAMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@vincenthamel3420]

So the solution to increasing mob health pool is not to put more pressure on DPS... it's to pull bigger, shifting the pressure onto survivability again? nice.

[@fluk3artist]

this is always going to be the solution no matter what. you pull to the limit based on all the factors, because this is the fastest way.

[@vincenthamel3420]

@@fluk3artist the maze in mist, the island in Theater of pain or the kyrian place during shadowland... there's a few solution, but the odd of tank/ healer not having the lion share of responsabilities in M+ are basically 0, yeah.

[@davidnitzke6875]

Not a single soul is ranking Druid low but this guy 🤦‍♂️

[@Crayzyy]

I think blizzard is commiting to making this the worst season of all time.

[@Telados]

The worst season so far

[@ammertos1517]

I was hoping for MM since it was reworked and now BM is just randomly S Tier?

[@Perways]

its not "randomly"? They got rid of basilisk collar, added aoe interaction with direbeasts, packleader rework and overall buffs. But yea I was also hoping for MM...dont give up though balance will still happen :)

[@ammertos1517]

@@Perways Didn't balance just happen this week? Both got buffed

[@johnmcgahey16]

Ah so one single season break from VDH before it’s meta again. And yes, you don’t need to play meta…but have you tried pugging higher keys not as a meta tank? RIP

[@mokasek]

Hey look, another season where shadow priest will be a literal dead spec because he received no dmg buffs( or any changes at all for that matter) and disci is in s tier again. Who would have thought, certainly not blizz it seems.

[@Partrees]

What..? SPriest is in a fine spot. You can still push title with it, let alone play at the level of most people. The fuck are you on about?

[@jgro9]

@@Partrees you can push title with it, but with the whole meta aspect you will need a team and maybe a little help. secondly, this guy must have forgotten that spriest was meta for 2.5 seasons in DF.

[@thierryfaquet7405]

@@jgro9 like you where going to push title in a PUG… 🤡

[@Partrees]

@jgro9 Almost everyone with title get it while in a team. Kind of invalidates that point, don't you think? You CAN PUG it, but it is way harder. On any spec.

[@okCool51]

There is always gonna be classes better than others, top players will use even the slightest advantage. So the Rankings are always based on that of a hardcore m+ player min maxing, why would you care for Rankings anyway if you dont play every class. What does the difference between s and d tier even mean for the casuals and semi-pushers

[@zeil2ify]

season 2 will break every record in a negative way. even more than season 1 which so far went down as the worst single season of all time but s2 will top that with ez.

[@karon_pcmr]

what drugs are you on?

[@tiarlyn]

I genuinely cannot wrap my fucking brain around why they are messing with scaling like this. Has this ever been an issue? Have people been complaining about this? Theres literally so many other glaring issues with m+ lmao. I cannot fucking fathom rhe decision making goingg on behind the scenes

[@dillydallyyyy]

It's in active development. You are judging unfinished work. Hope this helps!

[@narius_jaden215]

@@dillydallyyyy It's in PTR. We are expected to give feedback. Hope this helps!

[@dillydallyyyy]

@@narius_jaden215 nah this is a cop out. You aren’t giving feedback, you are whining and screaming like a child lmfao.

[@gizmoMKD]

Its better then seeing fire mage, rogue and havoc meta which was long time :)

[@Ostoorakh]

Thanks Yoda

[@Shinn27]

Just don’t play tanks, simple

[@rain-sz3lg]

BDK BACK TO DOOMING

[@keithdavid194]

buff bdk

[@S3Ri0usOG]

it's called "Tank" cause it is supposed to take damage and not die with good usage of defensives not to do damage it's called "Healer" cause it is supposed to heal the group not to do dmg if people want to see numbers and compare d..ks through details and logs PLAY DPS. Ofc they don't know what to do with all the classes when wow community constantly cries about dps numbers on tanks and healers.

[@peterpain6625]

So vdh still needs a 50% health, self-heal and armor nerf. Also needs to randomly die in meta. Good to know.

[@Rendasd]

So, boring. Got it. lol

[@王韋傑-u4k]

SOFA

[@bobbarker5294]

I never understood that Tanks are supposed to do much dmg, they are tanks. they get all the mobs attention and take the hits etc. I personally think any tank shouldnt be able to do more than 50% of the worst dps (possible damage)

[@Waduuheck]

Because doing damage is fun and the more fun it is to tank the less time people have to wait for tank queues

[@lemao453]

Hell no i wanna deal damage. And if tanks deal no damage they are really really unapealing.

[@bajablastois]

this is how you get people to stop playing tank

[@icswack6015]

@@lemao453 tbh even if you do big damage as tank your rotation is never as fun as a dps so w/e

[@mausypwns98]

For the average player that would blow, pug groups are always lacking something, wether it be heals, or damage, etc, that’s why classes have overloaded kits, classes like druid with treants, shaman with earth ele etc help with the tank needs a breather, dh with its mobility and ease to kite, tank damage helps when there is a lack of damage from dps, everyone having some form of healing helps when the heals are low. It’s a shit ton to balance. Typically the tank with the most damage/utility gets played so limiting their damage even more means no tanks

[@wrongman5495]

another bad season for tanks

[@peterpain6625]

Yeah. Just because it was "so much fun" already on non paladin tanks.... /S

[@vaeell6532]

Why is workshop back again. Whyy