The Reddit Blackout Is Failing...

Hello guys and gals, it's me Mutahar again! In a not so surprising scenario it appears the Reddit blackout in regards to their API pricing is failing both through mods failing to uphold their strike and the site admins implementing policies on removing striking moderators. Truly wild stuff on the Internet. Thanks for watching!
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[@SomeOrdinaryGamers]

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[@aPumpkn]

Never

[@Gelato__33]

Hi daddy Muta

[@prodmelrus]

ever

[@spooncerspoon5587]

Gamer

[@HogartHughes]

ok

[@cat__person]

this is why you DON'T say the end date for a protest and you DON'T just stop it after a few days.

[@mawrak]

they the admins still ignore you but you also destroy your community and people just create alternate subs and move on, making the blackout pointless

[@Needler13]

They haven't stopped, they're being forced open by the owner of the site.

[@0Asterite0]

Did people forget reddit mods are always online and don't touch grass?

[@skulltula1352]

I couldn't had said it better myself, what were they thinking lol.

[@legendaryhumper]

Also reddit users are pussies for opening up again because reddit threatened them of changing mod team.

[@stuflu8380]

Who Would have thought redditors wouldn’t be able to keep their mouths shut indefinitely

[@Kevin-McLaughlin]

Im glad the Redditors are back contained on Reddit... The parks are much safer since the blackout ended

[@artistic_goose1]

@@Kevin-McLaughlin the specimen wouldn't dare go outside

[@Blackpapalink]

​@@Kevin-McLaughlin You think a redditor could last more than 1 minute in direct sunlight exposure? This could've ridden of them entirely.

[@Handlebrake2]

​@@Kevin-McLaughlin🤣

[@h445]

lolololololololololololool

[@Ariahero]

It was doomed from the start because reddit mods were up against the one thing they fear most: *The guy they cant ban on a whim*

[@BelimaiSykes]

the painful "oooof" heard from space.

[@kDogsQuarTerZ]

Hard facts

[@BrotherO4]

comment of the year

[@J0derVIVIVI]

Nah i wish it was that, the thing they fear the most is LOSING the "mod powers" over other people.

[@Wampa842]

"I am u/Ozymandias, Mod of Mods. Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair."

[@exe_]

Fearing losing a job you're not getting payed to do is the most Reddit thing I've heard

[@Infelious]

Power is a better currency to them, money can't buy the authority they have over people. That sort of person is very dangerous too.

[@JM-dq7xn]

That implies that these moderators should be on a watch list. Though they probably already are for other reasons lol

[@exlonic]

Screw reddit, that’s called being a KZbinr… Unless your like freaking Mr. Beast or something

[@Kuhmodo]

They call the Reddit CEO an asshole, but at least he has balls lol. I've never seen a more pathetic boycott/protest lol

[@joelhodoborgas]

LMAO what power, this is pure sadness

[@ThatOneStopSign]

The CEO used to be a reddit moderator. He knew they wouldn't be able to stay away from reddit for a whole 4 days because he was one. He knew what game to play, and he was 100% correct.

[@ea_naseer]

reminds me of Nietzche quote "what is ape to man... a laughing stock or a painful embarrassment" the same could be said for mods Vs CEO

[@KeemBG]

I'm starting to think these "Admin" guys have complete control over the site or something.

[@burnnLY]

gm they do :)

[@mikitoburrito]

@@burnnLY What??? No, impossible!

[@RileyBanksWho]

@@burnnLY gm?

[@memegazer]

That is true any where tho...even chan sites are like this.

[@nawabifaissal9625]

it would be like saying the most wealthy people have complete control over the world, naah it's impossible

[@finnjr6365]

Reddit moderators not lasting too long outside of Reddit? Doesn't surprise me.

[@chumtoad14]

There's a reason they only made it last 2 days, will get sad without power tripping on their favorite subs!

[@tserra529]

Figured out they cannot ban or mute person in real life

[@donthaveaname1086]

@@chumtoad14 god those mods piss me off. Will ban you for saying something they just don’t like or agree with even if it’s not aimed towards anyone or even using bad language. They’re just like “you’re gone”. Nah, you’re gone. Now your back because you have nothing else going for you loser.

[@FH4Player6397]

​@ai_sponge____*You're

[@VictoriousGardenosaurus]

@@FH4Player6397 Yarrrr

[@JacobJake7]

A decade of “sorry bro we can’t kick out that corrupt mod who has completely hijacked a popular sub!” But 1 week of this and suddenly mods can be removed

[@keonkla]

Yep lol, I guess they love all the radical left wing / weird terminally online women who facility misandry with reddit mod male lackeys were Noise, but a protest aint. The group of weridos and Women who peaked during highschool got whats coming to em with their cultish website getting taken over.

[@RaceBandit]

Cool, someone who gets what this update was really about. Even Charlie missed it.

[@webbedshadow2601]

WOW

[@jakethreesixty]

This is random, but I help run a decently sized Facebook group that had problems with the worst power mad mod ever in its early days. Long story short, one time she went a step too far and told someone they couldn't call themselves an aspie, despite actually being Autistic (iirc Asperger's is a dated term now, but it wasn't then) and banned him while being the most malicious little shit about it, as she always was. That's basically where I came in, and roasted her so hard I got a mod spot in the end. She laugh reacted it before losing mod and rage quitting so I know she saw it at least, that's probably how she found out she got her shit revoked. -Long story short -Proceeds to tell long story 😆 Might as well finish it, anyway that poor guy didn't feel comfortable rejoining afterwards despite our assurances 😞 I like to think I'm a good modmin, when I even bother to deal with the drama side of things. I mainly just deal with join requests because we get a ton and it piles up quickly. We were only at 7,000 members around then, and mainly a tag group at the time. After the civil war, our mods are now all college educated successful people, except my white trash ass who totally can't relate to those people, but I guess I also offer a different perspective. It's a normie group with over 50,000 members now, and most of them will never know the group has _lore_

[@sirwolffe2389]

@@jakethreesixty 🤓

[@NutellaCrepe]

The CEO openly betted on redditors not being tough enough for this to affect their bottom line. He guessed right. The blowback has to be greater than the company’s ability to weather it, or else it’s just another expense. I’m disappointed in the Reddit collective. At least the WGA has a spine.

[@ZX-Gear]

He really did earn that W.

[@asmos3033]

Not only he won he made them a laughingstock of the internet

[@resuparta]

They seem to be so addicted to the power trip that they have no shame left.

[@Jadty]

@@resupartaThat’s what happens when you weigh 500lbs and haven’t showered since before the Rona.

[@SergyMilitaryRankings]

It's just cringe man, like toddlers trying to get their own way

[@inshal6420]

This is one of the cringiest moments on reddit. The way subs were posting “We stand with you indefinitely” They made it 4 days

[@VORASTRA]

But hey, some people said they will lose in 1 day

[@Flesh_Wizard]

We never accuse Reddit of being smart or anything

[@JoRoBoYo]

they were force to open by the admin

[@wongjimmy3189]

That's the funny part. I knew those subreddits would reopen eventually but I didn't expect this fast

[@skinwalker69420]

I just find it really funny that r/antiwork immediately spread their asscheeks for their corporate overlords when they were forced to reopen or else get demodded.

[@vagamer522]

antiwork moment

[@szrelemr7784]

The mistake is having high expectations from a sub who had a mod literally destroying the entire movement in one interview.

[@vagamer522]

@@szrelemr7784 That sub was a joke to begin with. They should be thankful they even got an interview

[@keonkla]

@@vagamer522 which is more then most of the low level termites of humans on that sub could say for their employment life. haha

[@carlsagan2607]

Is that sub still being taken seriously?? That sub should have been wiped off the site after that Fox News shit show.

[@littled5986]

This is certainly a Reddit moment

[@Blank-lp4fz]

It certainly is losing its momentum.

[@justinlast2lastharder749]

I got Reddit ban, from the site rather than just the sub, for posting to r/memes to either resign as mods or open up the sub because nobody cares about your protest. Apparently that's harassment :/.

[@rhoansuede7938]

Take my upvote :^)

[@Sinuev1]

Is it more or less embarassing than the IRL meetup where they had a kiddie swimming pool filled with balls as a main attraction... and then someone pee'd in it. Edit: Nevermind, I looked it up, and it was a Tumblr meetup. Still, seems like something Reddit would do, hence my confusion.

[@coldshock5181]

​@@rhoansuede7938 tAkE mY hAtEfUl UpVoTe

[@chriscanul4075]

Well of course it's failing. That's like the writers saying, "Our protest will end in approximately two days, with or without any changes being done and then we will be back to work"

[@electron6825]

FOR FREE

[@BadMelody.]

The problem wasn't the mods setting an end-date, it's the users not continuing the protest since reddit has no power/control over the average user, and actually depends on the users to participate to make money.

[@Bruh-zx2mc]

@@BadMelody. Users continuing to use the site *where possible* is why the subreddits were privated and also why the end date was a bad idea, dipshit.

[@aldinlewis5579]

One subreddit I watch held a vote about whether they should stay private or not. The votes to stay private were over double the votes to open. The mods decided that the vote was rigged and that they were gonna listen to all the comments that were complaining about not being able to post while simultaneously mocking the mods. It was pretty sad to watch the mods fold like paper the moment they were threatened with having such a small amount of power taken away from them

[@hendrx]

And they do it for free, what a bunch of losers

[@Infelious]

sounds like a DSP moment which is fitting.

[@Reelix]

/r/AskReddit had a vote - The community voted it to go dark - The mods ignored the result. /r/Gaming had a vote - The community voted it to go dark - The mods ignored the result.

[@ulylia5099]

​@@InfeliousHoly fuck another ar tonelico/surge concerto fan what are the chances

[@bumblebeegamerreal]

Thats because reddit moderators actually gone on strikes longer than that, and got replaced by moderators who are more loyal to the reddit company

[@zenixkiryu]

Imagine being so fragile that you can't commit to a protest that is as simple as closing your sub and not using Reddit. What are the admins gonna do? Delete thousands of their biggest subreddits? Jesus, I knew Reddit mods were trash but this was beyond what I expected.

[@JoeDirtisawsome]

they threatened to replace them with new mods who will reopen the subreddits. Even if they continued the protest, the subs would get reopened anyway. The admins have complete control over the site.

[@Mad-Lad-Chad]

@@JoeDirtisawsome Then let the admins replace them with mods that, if we're being entirely honest, would mostly be even worse at moderating than what we currently have. Let the admins slowly ruin their own site, as they already appear to be doing.

[@ryanstewart434]

I understand why the leaders at Reddit wasn't worrying at all about this strike. They knew that the same reason why moderators are working for free is the same reason why they couldn't maintain a strike.

[@keonkla]

Yep, Spez essentially is using how redditors work against well..themselves. He is a greesy but as a ceo he atleast knows the mindstates of the people who use the website well. another in the long list of Ls for that site.

[@sleepen207]

It was honestly so obvious. The main users of the site are people with shitty attention spans who default to the site after 10 seconds with nothing to do, and people coming from Google searches or for porn. The average person doesn't care about the API changes and just wants to see the subreddits again. The entire thing is a very first world problem and people have other shit going on in their lives. The controversy will pass, it will get brought up every now and then but everything will return to normal soon. If anything the only W is drawing attention to how little influence the unpaid jannies for the site have. I always found it sad people will dedicate so much time into a site for free and such little respect... touch grass and let Reddit do it themselves.

[@almightyfalcon]

Strike was doomed to fail regardless of the mods' waning lust for power. Either they open the subs back up or they get replaced with other neckbeards who will open the subs back up. Lose-lose situation, and frankly I only feel bad for the blind people trying to use Reddit and the people who hate Reddit's dogshit mobile app

[@BadMelody.]

@@almightyfalcon Yeah, none of this is on the mods, it's on the average redditors. Mods made us aware of the problem, it's up to all of the reddit users to protest and actually make a change.

[@brydonthunder]

​@gamefreak581 ? I being a casual user of reddit saw the mod posts and didn't care. I would of preferred them being replaced then not being able to see my random niche advice lookups

[@maeror1022]

The Reddit blackout was always doomed to fail. The Reddit CEO can just go into the backend of the site, permaban the striking moderators and bring the subreddits back out of private mode. Congratulations. You achieved nothing.

[@magne7771]

This is some early 2000's internet shit right here. Did we all suddenly forget that, if you don't OWN the site, you only have as many rights as you're GIVEN. Even the ability to bitch about it on their platform, is something GIVEN to you.

[@joeykeilholz925]

r/iamverysmart

[@filipgrunseich8670]

​@@joeykeilholz925 I mean, it's true.

[@patrickdix772]

The best way to actually protest a site like reddit is to leave it. If both the moderators and visitors go to another forum, that actually hits reddit's advertising revenue and any of the pretend awards people buy. But that would require money to make a new forum for a given subreddit, host it, and moderate it (maybe). Basically people are going to be too lazy and / or poor/stingy to actually be effective in a boycott.

[@lMchMyersl]

You really think nobody realized that? Forcing the admin's hand is the whole point. Moderation is a moronic task, but one that can cost a lot of money to reddit should they be forced to no longer rely on free labour. If the admin's are forced to remove mods, the blackout worked.

[@evillecaston]

How fitting that this Reddit saga ends with a Reddit moment. A moment of all time, if you will.

[@swastickpaliwal6105]

Truly one of the reddit moments of all time

[@alp9173]

jesus dude how can you possibly have one thousand comments on a single channel

[@StrengthScholar0]

Unquestionably one of the most moment-like, moments of all time.

[@blackbeast9268]

Kl😊😊l🙏💀a

[@3ftninja132]

You actually worded it perfectly. "It's like going on hunger strike until you get hungry".

[@DjScribblez]

Reddit is only good for finding that one obscure piece of information that a dude from 2003 answered on a sub that wasnt even related to the topic you were searching for

[@jackdaniel3135]

The only thing I’ve learned from this blackout, is that Reddit just isn’t the place for me nowadays. I honestly can’t believe all these mods have been doing this for 0$, how could they possibly think they have power?

[@Rahul_Sastry]

Delusion

[@mastershake1071]

You don't understand dude the ban button is just REALLY fun to press

[@AdaptiveApeHybrid]

Reddit lost its savor after the ads imo. Around when r/watchpeopledie was banned. That's when they started cleaning up their image and also banning alot more. There are very niche subreddits I like though, r/firewood, freefolk (politically incorrect game of thrones memes) stuff like r/mycology, some plant and tree subs, etc If you wanna find some niche information, if you wanna ask questions about some niche subject, if you want to revel in the glory of some niche interest with a like-minded person, reddit can be good. For everything else, there's Mastercard 💁🏻‍♂️ Nah but Reddit sucks as a platform for strangers to discuss things and it has for some time now. I partly blame mods in general too 🙊

[@mattc9598]

For the same reason why Netflix exists despite never making a single penny in profit, or why Twitter's old owners almost refused to sell to Elon despite his generous offer narrative control is often worth more than dollar bills. Modding a subreddit for free doesn't mean you don't profit off it

[@ThatGuyUnderYourSofa]

Shocking. Reddit users are addict to Reddit. Sad world we live in.

[@matiaspereyra9392]

It's not that, they could still browse the subs after they got demoded, they are either addicted to the mod status or they believe the community would fall apart if they aren't the mods which is also stupid

[@bracedgod4505]

I just use 4chan/plebs if i need something now lol.

[@edcaous]

@@bracedgod4505 Unfortunately, we'll be seeing Redditors invade other sites. Twitter, KZbin, various boards on 4chan, et cetera. Imagine if a Reddit mod became a board janitor. Who would stop xim?

[@dishwasher69]

​@@bracedgod4505that's worse

[@HUNKunit]

@@bracedgod4505 You shouldn't be proud about that. Only the lowest devolved troglodytes use 4 Chan.

[@floydstash]

The reddit blackout is like a subway light flickering once or twice.

[@owvon222]

Reddit mods needed to feel speical again so they opened it up after realising they are nothing without reddit

[@xei2694]

Well, the CEO did threaten them with force.

[@broom8964]

@@xei2694 yeah he really threatened them by taking away their job they dont get paid for

[@dess1619]

The protest was doomed from the start. Most users don't use these API tools. New Reddits would open up to fill the void left by the ones on strike and then Average Andy will just flock to the new one in time.

[@mr.melancholy4973]

Man Reddit has become a Circus. The moderators didn't think this through did they?

[@cargyllion]

Yeah, they didn't expect Reddit to replace the mod teams with new people they have full control over.

[@justinlast2lastharder749]

When have Reddit moderators ever thought things through?

[@BelimaiSykes]

Reddit mods being absolute fucking clowns is just business as usual.

[@mr.melancholy4973]

​@Justin Last 2: Last Harder To Be honest I've never really been on Reddit, only heard the horror stories of the communities.

[@justinlast2lastharder749]

​@@mr.melancholy4973I did it briefly. Most users seem fine...but there are a few that get offended by ANYTHING and send bots to mass Downvote and report. Reddit gets it's horrible reputation from about 5% of it's user base from what I've seen

[@F4Wildcat]

The best part about the blackout is that reddit is deciding to allow users to report and vote out mods who behave poorly and powertrip.

[@chickenmonger123]

Hehe. Nonono. They are are deciding to let the veil slip on how they appoint mods themselves. When it suits them. Same shit. Same ass. The bathroom door just isn’t between us and it now.

[@F4Wildcat]

@@chickenmonger123 bruh that was such a beautifull phrasing...

[@justinlast2lastharder749]

Funny, because they've supported the power tripping mods and actually banned me for harassment for saying the protest is dumb and mods should either resign or open back up.

[@F4Wildcat]

@@justinlast2lastharder749 i got a mod warning when i said "maybe leave the country subreddit open for tourists who need help. Like open a post so they alone can get help"

[@AzureGreatheart]

@@chickenmonger123 Good point, horrid phrasing.

[@hshdss1318]

The idea of hiring 3rd party devs is a big no no too because for those of you who do not know, the official reddit app used to be a great 3rd party app called alien blue, reddit bought it out, ruined it, and took it's logo. Yes, the reddit logo redesign was them adopting the logo of a third part app.

[@Rahul_Sastry]

Oh so that's where the theme alien blue came from! This site gets eviler by the minute and I was thinking that the worst part of reddit was it's political idiots.

[@nutsackvlogz8892]

@@Rahul_Sastry Also they scrubbed name of Reddit's deceased co-founder Aaron Schwartz from the founder list, whom the quote "information is power, but like all power, there are those who want to keep it to themself". That is when you know that the site's owners are truly morally bankrupt.

[@xei2694]

When you say they ruined it, do you mean they removed features?

[@stoheha]

Honestly, I don't understand why they don't just copy the functions that make the third party apps more desirable. Not sure if it's just that there are too many gates to change their official app, ego, or something else entirely.

[@LegalPhantom]

Never trust Reddit to do anything whatsoever. The best they did was making someone commit unalive because they pinned some mischievous acts onto him when he was already depressed.

[@phearamax4146]

You mean he killed himself? Did a suicide? Say it.

[@SarahTheBasicBitch]

Wait what, who?

[@darksparkyshark430]

When?

[@Featheryfaith7]

Yeah. Reddit and Reddit users can get sued for enabling this harassment and abuse. Plus prison time. I saw them also doxing people which is illegal in some states. They probably might be tied to black market or from the dark web. Another reason doxing or aka invasion of privacy is banned.

[@amp4105]

@@Featheryfaith7 doxxing is not illegal.

[@dylanpelo]

After watching reading a few things online, I agree. The 'strike' or 'protest' won't do anything. What will kill Reddit is that after the IPO, they(corporate) will do what they need to do to appease the share holder overlords. That will lead to more bots, spam, intrusive ads, and the cutting of NSFW content. And we all know what happens when sites cut porn.

[@YACHI0000]

Rip Tumblr lol

[@Pooky1991]

Didn't Tumblr eventually bring back NSFW content though?

[@soullesssky33]

​@@Pooky1991the site is still dead

[@FTZPLTC]

The thing is that most people don't *actually* want to kill Reddit.

[@Flesh_Wizard]

Redditors moving elsewhere sounds horrifying. Just one can create an earthquake, imagine a horde😨

[@dramtt3904]

This truly blows, shouldn’t have announced when it was ending, it gave Reddit hq a confirmation that they could control and bend the situation

[@nbamaniac]

No one cares about this api bs anyway

[@Avalozir]

The admins would have just decided an end date for the blackout themselves and then forced the re-opening anyway. Reddit mods never had any chance to force the issue.

[@informobyte3211]

It's their corporation not the mods. Mods just decided one day to mod reddit.

[@BadMelody.]

What do you think would have happened if there wasn't an end date, you think the people in charge of reddit just would have never thought of replacing the reddit mods at that point? The failed protest isn't on the sub mods, it's on the average users. Mods were fucked either way. Protest with no end date, mods get replaced and reddit returns to normal. Mods end the protest and reddit returns to normal. Protest with no designated end date, mods get replaced and reddit returns to normal. The users are the ones with the power over reddit. If the mods reinstated the subreddits, but the users still protested, then reddit would be fucked. This isn't a problem of mods placing an end date, it's a problem of users not following through with a protest.

[@Kuhmodo]

People are so weak minded they can't even boycott properly. Like..... Literally it requires to just do nothing lolololol

[@winchelseabeach4863]

It was good while it lasted. We experienced freedom from Reddit for a minor few days at least

[@karlpower5476]

I gave myself more freedom by deleting my account. I don't miss it.

[@og_3rd_st_saint_gat]

Agreed if only mods had the balls to keep going

[@N3pHwR3N]

@@karlpower5476 yep just deleted mine

[@metal6948]

We? Who’s we? I’ve scrubbed my account weeks ago and haven’t looked back since

[@TheManWhoErasedHisNane]

I still need it so I can for instance ask “Why did my xbox screech like a demon then shut down?”

[@chumtoad14]

Redditors: Let's protest for the good of the people! Yeah! And we'll make it last for 2 whole days! Also redditors: wth... Why isn't it working ????

[@thegoblinwholaughs1137]

if your brain could think, it would realize that many subs went on to indefinite blackout. The reason for failure is that Reddit sent message to these mods saying their power would be taken, they caved

[@DaHappyToaster]

​@@thegoblinwholaughs1137 doesn't sound very indefinite

[@camolot2102]

​@@thegoblinwholaughs1137 there are many reasons this wasn't going to work, users can just use/make another subreddit being the biggest reason, afterall the users have to stop using reddit all together to affect their bottom line.

[@aestheticzea]

you can't even get mad at the ceo not taking the blackout seriously. it's not surprising that reddit mods can't give up their illusion of authority and commit to something long term.

[@JoeDirtisawsome]

the subs would get opened eventually. They were gonna get replaced with new mods who were gonna reopen the subs. The protest was gonna fail no matter what. Sticking to their guns woouldn't do anything

[@ShooberTimber]

How anyone thought the Admins wouldnt just re-open the subreddits & remove the uncooperative mods is utterly beyond me. When will people learn that boycotts/protests don't actually work unless you hold legitimate power in the equation you're seeking to change?

[@mollusckscramp4124]

I think MLK said the same thing

[@c.Orange]

Cant wait reddit to update their usage rights and user agreements to include "platform wide coordination to hinder reddit's functionality is now not allowed" In the next few months

[@thegoblinwholaughs1137]

what platform wide? It was just power tripping mods blacking without even asking most of their users

[@c.Orange]

@@thegoblinwholaughs1137 platform wide; as in any form of coordinated problem for reddit, vague language that can be applied to anything and makes things sound worse. ( as in; what platforms like to word things like this as ) ofc they would word it like this; though in more "lawyer-esk" language. any company behind any platform would never just write "being a nuissance as a moderator to [ insert platform here ] is prohibited" because that would imply normal people would be free to do so. and not specifying the whole of reddit would imply it is okay if it is just a small part of it. if they'd add this to their user agreement later on to stop moderators from repeating this, they'd leave no holes in it to be worked around. not to mention that i said that with half sarcasm; as in: "cant wait them to do X thing that sounds fucking ironic and authoritative because they dont like anyone fighting back at their stupid shit" have a shit day.

[@xei2694]

@@thegoblinwholaughs1137 I'm a user. I have no subreddits I'm a mod of, and I wanted them to blackout. I wanted them to keep going. Reddit mods have a certain reputation, but they did this in response to a genuine problem.

[@bigdwicks7498]

The best part's the CEO specifically said itll pass, and cause the movement said its temporary it did pass Sweaty neckbeards arent capable lifting a salad you expect them to commit? Make a reddit alternative this rate

[@RewindTime4]

R/NBA mods literally posted on the subreddit while private. One of the most embarrassing and sad things I’ve ever seen from mods.

[@bigclown23]

Didn't even wait on a majority opinion to close the sub. Also the mods on r/NFL are getting dogged on too

[@RewindTime4]

@@bigclown23 Yeah man and that got brigaded too

[@pureskill123]

R/anime too.

[@ThePKMNTrainerAndrew]

Being a Reddit Moderator is like being a Prisoner being given slightly higher power over the other Prisoners at this point. You are still trapped, and with your tiny amount of power comes the realization that all the other prisoners hate you. They are addicted to the power though, and the Reddit CEO called them out on it. They honestly deserve it at this point.

[@jf4156]

Wouldn’t be a reddit moment without failure

[@Aksownsbske]

Reddit buying/incorporating the third-party apps and their functions would be a great idea - until one realizes that a huge amount of people use third-party apps largely to avoid seeing ads. Needless to say, that is something Reddit can’t replicate or tolerate on their platform.

[@user-en7dx1qp3k]

Yeah, I personally take a position similar to that of r/spain on the blackouts. I hate reddit administration as much as the next guy, and they have made it incredibly hard for moderators to volunteer for their communities as well as being unresponsive to user complaints, but I don't really support the business model of Apollo and I think that rallying behind them is a pretty poor decision. I don't like the idea of a third party app being able to offer a de facto premium version of the platform without ads, charge users for it, and turn a profit because they didn't have to foot the enormous bills related to maintaining the site. It's morally questionable for the same reason that youtube reaction channels are morally questionable. Not to mention, Reddit has already said from before the blackouts even started that accessibility and moderation-related services were largely exempt from the changes to the API pricing.

[@melissabrown19902]

Not only that but bridges have been burned

[@FTZPLTC]

Yeah, it's funny that Muta suggests this because it's literally like saying "KZbin SHOULD JUST BUY ADBLOCKER".

[@Kirtle]

At this point, if I have to switch to reddit's mobile app, I'd rather keep using whatever I am currently with ads like in the official app

[@Deadsea_1993]

You are spot on and that's why I've been against the protests. You can't eat the cake and lose weight at the same time and so you gotta choose one or the other. I didn't care about the 3rd party apps and so why are popular communities being closed ? Lmao. People just trying to feel important. They are like Butters from South Park

[@KingMoon110]

It's even more insane because some powermods actually said they wanted to unonize after they were threatened.

[@bigtitmaster]

Bruh. Like there isn’t 3 idiots in line for that position

[@Deadsea_1993]

​@@bigtitmaster. My brother always says "A fool and his money soon part ways". This is that scenario except these guys aren't even getting paid lmao

[@maty240]

I hope everything reddit has been doing to go public fails

[@FectoElfilin]

Yes. Let it end. I need to go from a cringe redditor to a based 4channer.

[@ayydavis94]

This is literally the most fitting end possible to this saga. Reddit mods gonna Reddit mod

[@grogcito]

Most irrelevant "protest" in the internet ever tbh. I find it funny that the ceo would just replace the mods if they didn't un-private their subreddits, that's incredibly based

[@Phrankles]

This is the most reddit thing thats ever occurred. The CEO was right to call out these mod clowns lmao.

[@LegionOfEclaires]

I do get a chuckle at moderators clutching their pearls over their powers being removed. Like anyone who wants power of any kind over other people probably shouldn't have it in the first place. We've all come across moderators who abuse their powers because they can and that crap ends up killing communities. The people who don't want any power usually end up being the best moderators, especially if those people are generally lazy and reluctant to take any significant action unless required to.

[@RealAICCl]

You've described all moderators. Welcome to the Internet Janitor Hater Club.

[@TheErtagon15]

@@RealAICCl THEY DO IT FOR FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@Jerry_the_Head]

a lot of the people from reddit are going onto tumblr to my knowledge, which led to my post about the destiel template being our lil' newspaper getting up to 80k-90k notes, it's sad how i write and do art, yet a supernatural screencap is my most upvoted post ever.

[@agentshawnee]

It’s not all free labor. Most large companies who have a sub Reddit pay their mods because it’s illegal not to. There are several companies that offer paid moderator services such as ModSquad.

[@Hyper_Egret]

Hearing Muta screaming "YOU WORK FOR FREE!!!" made me laugh so hard dude lol the mic oversaturation reminded me of good old Counter Strike back in the day. Heh.

[@Blahblahblah28504]

YEAH this strike was doomed to fail the moment they told the site when the strike will end.

[@pwabd2784]

Redditors really showed the world who they are when they really thought they were go to control how a website they don't own runs. 😂

[@sirtra]

Oh just you wait, throwing all the toys out of the cot is playing the long game.. the toddlers have got this! They haven't even had to deploy foot stamping and door slamming tactics yet. Right after they finish having a nap they'll show the world who's really in control...

[@benjaminshevinky]

Here's the thing, I think most people have forgotten about this but putting in software that actively prevents third party use violates anti-trust laws, when I say people have forgotten what I mean is people forgot that Microsoft used to be way bigger, and if things had stayed that way the current tech landscape would be very different. They were broken up into smaller components because they actively put code into windows that prevented the use of third party applications forcing anyone using windows to use Microsoft programing, violating anti-trust, essentially they monopolized use. A lot of these companies, Reddit, Apple, Amazon, etc. are doing this now, and not even trying to hide it, and yet nothing is being done about it, why... because they don't want to go to court and have this become something the supreme court can rule on because they know they'll lose. So they bully smaller groups and they appease larger ones, groups with a form of backing of their own that could take them to court. The bust way to compete with this is to attempt what Reddit did and come together as a group, but simply acting as an idea would never be enough, and I know what I'm about to say is going to piss some people off, but any group that wants to put pressure and a company needs to Unionize. Streamers, KZbinrs, any media group like this needs to act together so that the company can't just push them around, sports have it and they force their specific league to negotiate and Collectively Bargain. These companies are so good ate making people look at each other as competition they forget that what's good for one is usually good for all. I can't say unpaid people at Reddit should unionize, but I've been seeing too much bullying by the companies running things lately at least Reddit tried to push back, what's your guys excuse.

[@fatalblue]

It's not a big enough inconvenience yet. That's the excuse. Of course, once it does become an inconvenience, it will be too late.

[@louilligm]

Man, it’s hard to feel bad for the mods, they really don’t want to give up the only little amount of power they have in their lives.

[@X-ite]

this was such a quick controversy, i dont log onto reddit for like 2 weeks and suddenly its all gone honestly i dont use the site too much but im gonna miss the yt compilations of the funny and relatable subreddits

[@rayh6118]

Bro i have stopped using reddit for a month and 20 days and when i returned i found that everybody is striking

[@chri5wyd367]

3:30- 3:41 is by far the best delivery I have seen from Muta yet. Holy shit I just let out a hearty laugh from the gut. "The unwashed assholes" statement. Pure gold.

[@NatVirgo]

You really expected redditors to have self restraint?

[@seanb3226]

The CEO doesn't give a shit and realizes that at the end of the day there are a ton of people who just want their daily Reddit fix, so he's just waiting for this to blow over. I think all the subs are going to cave in the end and open back up.

[@Punmaster9001]

I hope this ruins reddit in the long run, specifically their plans to go public

[@Punmaster9001]

@@IcyTorment Which means they run an unsustainable company and reddit will be dead before they can sell it

[@thundermuffin71]

Who would of guessed redditors are their own worst enemy

[@mining_steve]

*cough cough* mods

[@JoeDirtisawsome]

the subs would get re-opened no matter what they did. They were gonna replace them with mods who would reopen the sub.

[@MDComix]

I hate this shit I just need to know a cheat code for a gameboy game and the reddit is locked

[@tserra529]

Wayback machine

[@HandlelessTML]

I honestly don't think most people on Reddit give af about API rules and just want their Reddit back

[@dattos140]

Yeah

[@BelimaiSykes]

Nobody would be mad if the reddit app didn't suck. Just make the app better lol.

[@justinlast2lastharder749]

Only a handful care...and they are all Mods that run 50 different subs through third party bots to ban anyone for wrongthink or using naughty words.

[@dattos140]

@@justinlast2lastharder749 DAMN so they're mad they have to do more work? Classic reddit mods.

[@IAmQb]

I'm not an active redditor myself. But it's mind-boggling to me that so many people are pretty much cheering on a move that will kill any 3rd party app. Including in the comment section of your previous video but also other comment sections on KZbin and Reddit. It's not like users gain anything from NOT having access to third-party clients. Users can only gain from having choices. If their experience using third-party app is more streamlined and more enjoyable than using the official app shouldn't we celebrate this freedom of choice. After all it doesn't worsen other people's experience. Eliminating 3rd party apps also eliminates incentives for Reddit to improve their own apps. In an environment where there is free choice of clients the way Reddit could convince users to change over to their official app is by improving the app. By removing 3rd party apps this incentive is no longer present, like what are you gonna do, not browse Reddit, yeah that's not how things work for active users. Third-party apps also don't generate any extra cost to Reddit. API calls that a 3rd party app would do any official apps would also have to do, maybe on the specific endpoint is different but the cost will stay the same. Unless of course that app is poorly optimized, but Apollo's request count for instance seems to be on par with the official app. They may of course be ad free but the revenue they could get from ads is nowhere close to the amount they are charging for the API. It's also not like there would have been no other way of pricing this. API access could have been tied to Reddit Gold, including maybe a 10k request limit per month to deter bots which could be priced differently. But as it stands these prices are horrendous. They are completely out of proportion. This move is supposedly to target the Large Language Model AI scrapers, to earn money from those. But these are prices that mainly affect the common user which will not be able to use the API for third-party apps and alike anymore. The large AI companies have the money to pay and will probably do so. This is profiting from AI companies at the cost of screwing over users.

[@Jan12700]

1:00 I don't know if you are learning this at school, but this is normal strike behavior. First there is a warning strike to signalize that you are willing to strike about the hole situation. This is most of the time just for one or two days. If they got the massage and the situations gets better, there will be not a second strike. But if they ignore it, than there will be a second normale strike. "The only difference between a warning strike and a "real" strike is that it is not preceded by a final breakdown of negotiations or a strike ballot. Whereas the purpose of a "real" strike is to enforce a collective agreement, the purpose of a warning strike is merely to demonstrate the general willingness to strike." from DGB, a german legal protection insurance.

[@TheGoQu]

People never cared about the cause in the first place. It was just a popular thing to do. The ceo of reddit was right

[@keonkla]

The ceo reddit is completely in the right with how he is acting. Look at the pile of insecure loser men and woman that website holds and how their entire account and the ability refirm hateful gender politics matters to them. Spez is just treating reddtiors with the amount of respect they give themselves, which is none.

[@pizzapiebaguette3893]

@@keonklabased

[@somecomposingfudsa]

yeah the admins had already started replacing mods on AdviceAnimals so if the strike hadn't had an end date they probably would have done that from the beginning

[@redshackles8892]

A 2 days strike means they're truly being a bunch of clowns. Absolute Reddit moment.

[@randomperson5579]

If they wanted it to be effective they should've hacked into spez's account and any other higher-ups and held the accounts for ransom, probably illegal, but if the hackers were in a country with relaxed laws they would've been successful.

[@hitkid2456]

BlackCat is now threatening them with 80gb of pertinent data. Their IPO is gonna be so fucked.

[@BocchiTheBox]

Reddit moderators backing down so quickly is just hilarious knowing their small amount of power with the free labor they provide is on the line is honestly just stupidly hilarious. That being said allowing users to vote moderators in and out I think is a great feature, would have been great a long time ago. I remember some communities where there are owners who haven't even gotten onto and interacted with said community for years despite still being on Reddit doing other things. I think that feature is great. Get rid of power hungry mods with your vote. That being said as just a regular user. The blackout has been pretty annoying since I like to use it for news on games I play. Reddit is absolutely right when they say most regular users do not care cause we don't even you're aware of that. Yeah their API change is the dumbest thing in the world, but this does not actually effect most users. Still funny only how now do mods also complain that they've been doing free labor, and think that should give them full sway when regardless of these changes you're still doing free labor. Them doing free labor has not and likely will not change.

[@xei2694]

Doing free labor out of a desire to keep a good community (which a lot of subreddits are, contrary to popular belief) is actually pretty respectable.

[@lastburning]

@@xei2694 Doing free labour for big corporations is not respectable. Doing free labour when someone else profits off of you is not respectable. Don't willingly let other people take advantage of you. Have some self-respect.

[@SquaresToOvals]

The only time the term "equilibrium" is brought into business is when the businesses are price fixing or deciding whether the lifespan of all their products should be two years or three years.

[@retronartz1268]

Welp, That's the end of me using reddit.

[@Noaudi27]

the planned strike thing is actually super common, extremely common in local city, school etc communities around the US atleast. I dont get why everyones using that as a "gotcha" point. Literally happens all the fucking time.

[@Noaudi27]

i dont even have a reddit account i just got super annoyed at this one tbh. Local communities do it because the community still relies on them, it allows the communities to plan around it. if you cut off business for days planned or not you cause a problem for the company, if everyone at your work said they werent working on a certain day and then nobody showed up on that day, the company would still be pissed. I dont get why everyone pretends like it was useless, it still took money, it still took traffic, it will be considered in the future. Its equal to no end date but more convenient. I just find this all stupid.

[@ThunderTHR]

It was doomed from the start when most only committed to the two days. If you're going to strike and go on blackout, *it needs to be as long as possible until you've effectively got what you're trying to bargain.* The heads of Reddit were able to see the fault that many sub-reddits weren't.

[@WildSpiderWuzHere]

As a mod of a subreddit i completely uninstalled reddit and i do not care about being a mod anymore its way to stressful for me to work for free.

[@bastardgoose]

Honestly any reddit mods seriously wanting to make a change, should just delete the subs entirely. Remove all that user generated content from it. Make it clear if reddit wants to just do what ever it wants it can do so without the people and the work they're contributed. If a new bootlicker r/apple wants to start- they can just without the momentum and content that was gathered and generated for the subs

[@Froezone]

I mean Mojang hired the dude who made the Aether mod and he does amazing work for Minecraft now

[@link1565V2]

Imagine my shock that people addicted to a social media site weren't able to give up their social media site.

[@jasonstrange4196]

I don't see how reddit is allowed to exist in its current form. US citizens are not allow to volunteer to help a company make a profit. the only loophole to this is non profits and reddit aint that

[@HolyRamanRajya]

Isn't it simply better if admins wants to replace mods, cuz then the new mods would have to be paid employess and causing more expenses for reddit

[@logicalfundy]

The only way to really move the needle is to have users stop using Reddit. Moderators are important - but users are the true lifeblood of Reddit.

[@logicalfundy]

@@IcyTorment ultimately users make the money - directly or indirectly - for any social networking platform. Nobody pays to use an API for a dead platform. Ads won't work if they don't get clicks. If Reddit wants to ultimately make money, they need stay relevant with their users.

[@thatzaliasguy]

Honestly, everyone should just delete their reddit accounts and move on to something else. Watch Reddit eat itself alive with no one there.

[@HarbingerYT]

You know, when you're protesting a change, and the group you're protesting threatens to do something, you're not supposed to cave to their will. That's protesting 101.

[@desfefe]

So long Sinkpissers. You really gave me some quality entertainment during this very challenging blackout....

[@SMmania123]

God I love this channel whenever Mutahar is excited, it's a great video lol

[@g3o_826]

I believe its going to have to be up to the consumers/users as well to opt not to use the app or website until the ceo gets a grip. getting enough people to make a difference is another hurdle entirely..

[@Rahul_Sastry]

This has never worked in the history of ever. The people in the arenas in rome banded together and tried to tell the people to not go there as the work conditions in some of them as well as the torture of animals was bad. Nobody listened eventually some kings and other elites took pity and changed the system.

[@fatalblue]

Yeah...not happening. The lack of bigger consumer/user support is why the protest lacked real power. Ppl cared more about discussing the NBA playoff with strangers on the internet then decisions that could eventually affect their user experience.

[@munkydreads]

There's a whole subreddit about not working so it wasn't going to succeed in the first place

[@valensinclair6750]

I've perused /r/antiwork before. It reads more like /r/lazyasfuck to me.

[@FredFuchsIRL2]

I have an idea. What if everyone stopped using Reddit. If the website relies on people being on it, then if nobody or very few people use it, it might have the chance to make them change their mind and if not, the website would die. I feel like this is the next step.

[@mitchryan85]

I can't believe anyone actually expected this to work.

[@ZX-Gear]

A lot of people were giving me shit when I told them in no uncertain terms that this would fail and the CEO was in the right.

[@killergrooves2438]

The internet was better in the 90s and early 2000s before everyone tried to turn every piece of it into a billion dollar corporation.

[@jamesesterline]

I feel like the Reddit admins will only back down if someone goes full supervillain and kidnaps Steve Huffman (u/spez)

[@Brendito1]

As someone who never learned about third party apps (to use Reddit), I’m surprised they still are used aside from answering niche questions

[@skilfan]

I was done with reddit when RiF sent a message saying it was being forced to close down. I'll make sure I AdBlock the fuck out of the site if I have to use it in the future.

[@PlinioRosales24]

The Reddit Blackout was the most stupid protest in recent time. It did not accomplish literally anything. This protest were only for the stupid mods. The official app is not even that bad.

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

Redditors couldn't change a ligh bulb. How did anyone expect them to pull this off?

[@saltclaws]

Let's be real, Reddit wouldn't have let a few of the accessibility apps live on if they thought they could cram it into the app in a few months time. They probably decided that it's less risky for them (and a bit of good PR) if they let one or two live on. Even the help article about the bot api usage evaluation is annoyingly vague: is it that hard to name the bots that were found to be over the free api calling option? But hey, Reddit sure is hellbent on that api cost deadline, so it looks like it's time to watch if that train of promises crashes and burns like many of their previous promises.

[@Chilling_Chilling]

Touching grass and breathing fresh air was too much for the Reddit mods. They need to get plugged back into the Reddtrix 😂😅

[@Rahul_Sastry]

The junkies need their fix 🥳

[@josedenueces]

Muta has clearly never seen strikes in Europe, I got caught up by a rail strike in the UK where they had to give 1 month's notice of how long the strike would be and what day it would be (alternating days for one week)

[@pagatryx5451]

Except that makes complete sense.

[@goshdarnchicken]

Yeah as someone strongly supporting the protest I knew from the start there would be no change. The only hope now is for Huffman to get ousted if the company starts to tank.

[@bocodamondo]

i miss muta's old outro music