We Have To Talk About The Reddit Blackout...

[@SomeOrdinaryGamers]

Check out the newest podcast episode: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpiamJ1-f9urqqs

[@Metso-ateco]

Reddit sux

[@thatdudemarcus]

granola

[@igotdarkaether4813]

No

[@MercyVale]

Bing Chilling

[@MysticLGD]

ee

[@ectogaming20]

this entire blackout informed me of the existence of 3rd party apps for reddit. i had absolutely no idea those existed. man i was missing out

[@billyhatcher643]

i already knew about 3rd party apps but i never used it on a daily bases like everyone else

[@avramnovorra]

Same here, made me realize i never truly understood reddit the whole time i have been on the platform

[@Green_Gamer23]

​@@billyhatcher643 funny pfp

[@nikolai6361]

what do these 3rd party apps do thats so great? im out of the loop i guess

[@Freakinkat]

Wtf how can y'all not have known??? I'm just gonna stop there.

[@just_a_banana2020]

At this point every Social media is ruining their own website like if its a trend

[@codybishop7526]

look into "dead internet theory"

[@chaserseven2886]

@George Costanza the Russian Spy its still around i think they even started making exclusive content

[@Benjamin-Dover-f8p]

As it should. Social media is the disease.

[@gameringdudeguy1126]

@George Costanza the Russian Spy tumblr was already gone years ago, now its just P.M. Seymour, Oz Media, Kalbus (to an extent) and others doing vids on tumblr to prove it still exists.

[@Blood-PawWerewolf]

@George Costanza the Russian Spy don’t forget about Discord as well

[@KingofWorms277]

NSFW content on reddit is not only sexual content, far from it actually. Reddit forces MANY subs that are controversial to be NSFW or anything to do with drugs, even support subreddits are marked as NSFW.

[@pricklycatsss]

Drug subreddits are my favorite some of the stories on there are hilarious

[@YoungDeathWish]

Yeah man. Drugs are pretty much exactly what not safe for work means lol drugs violence sex. That’s what nsfw means

[@riven4121]

@@pricklycatsss The rabbit hole you go down at 3am.

[@randomstuff-qu7sh]

Even some r/political humor posts get labeled as NSFW. To be fair, politics in the US is far more disgusting then a lot of the content you see on NSFW sites.

[@dijosto]

@@YoungDeathWish depends on the drugs. XD

[@ZeroNeedsCoffee]

Outside of a few good subreddits, reddit is a complete cesspool at this point

[@johnr797]

Reverseanimalrescue is always good for a chuckle

[@Manpacxs]

Drugscirclejerk is the funniest shit ever

[@anuh4308]

@@Manpacxs any of the circlejerk subs are hilarious

[@disturbeddemons1]

Has been for years

[@Zaque-TV]

Id say the opposite. A few types of subreddits are awful but a majority of the site is really fun

[@calebm9000]

Spez: Admits to misunderstanding. Also Spez: Ignores this and slanders the guy EVEN AFTER HE POSTED THE PHONE CALL.

[@oldwellenthusiast8750]

@@muffinchubby2352 canada has one party consent, totally legal for the apollo dev to record the call without saying.

[@sandakureva]

Sounds like something he'd do.

[@spencersdh1]

The reason so few people use Reddit through the mobile browser is because Reddit, like Twitch and numerous other websites, have stripped their mobile site to the point that it is "technically usable", and have limited access to certain types of content, even when logged in. Companies do this shit all the time and it's gross. I use a mobile browser for the adblock.

[@MidWitPride]

Primary reason for reddit to even exist is to answer some simple questions. Like googling, but if you want your solution to be written by an actual human, and not by a bot, you put "reddit" after your question. For an example: typing "How to farm worms" gives you 10 pages of random websites, but typing "How to farm worms reddit" gives you experiences of actual real life people farming worms.

[@MDRHokage]

​@@MidWitPride All I use Reddit for.

[@randomrhombeses4759]

@@MidWitPride I mainly use that feature for things I can’t find normally like trying to find obscure items in Pokémon romhacks and stuff

[@bestaround3323]

​@@MidWitPride I use reddit to read fantasy stories and the like

[@sexmansex4776]

how do you bypass reddit forcing you to use the app when browsing on mobile browser?

[@toufusoup]

The internet can truly and objectively say this was, in fact, a “Reddit moment.”

[@GooeySplat]

the RBI subreddit deleted my post exposing a ped*phile with every proof you could ask for

[@Taha632RMF]

​@PodpolkovnikGeorgeCostanzawhen you step outside your house

[@puneetmaheshwari]

reddit ☕ it was my fav website now i think i have to use green site as my hideout

[@loneliberation3483]

Exactly, who cares about Reddit? It's full of mongrels anyway. Truly a swamp of crap.

[@uobmas1281]

​@@puneetmaheshwari r 34 ???

[@WikiED]

If 4th of your userbase is using a different app that might be a sign to add the features of the app into your program to remove the need for the 3rd party. Just like piracy, it's a service issue.

[@Synthwave89]

"Why can I spend money on giving a better service when I can monopolize the market and instead reduce costs? That 7th vacation home ain't gonna buy itself y'know?"

[@Pers0n97]

Can we talk about almost half the user use the old interface rather than the new one? That says long about how bad the rework was.

[@thecherryontop3251]

And it's not like the App is new. It's been out for SEVEN FUCKING YEARS and all they've managed to do is make it worse. So bad people prefer third party apps.

[@denjidenji9162]

@@Pers0n97 really reminds me of DeviantArt. People hated the new redesign and kept using the old one. But that wasn't good for them, so they removed the option and now you're stuck with the laggy, worse experience of the nes design. Just watch, any minute now they'll remove support for the old version

[@whom382]

@@Pers0n97 Can we talk about people in this comment section pulling number from you know where? I am an old reddit user but the numbers are like 3-4%.

[@gremblorthesackgoblin7953]

Reddit going public and immediately getting reverse GMEed into the dirt would be the funniest thing to happen at this point.

[@the11382]

Wallstreetbets sequel?

[@MattSuguisAsFondAsEverrr]

i think roblox also had that happen they went public, then rose for a bit then tanked a better example would be buzzfeed

[@gremblorthesackgoblin7953]

@@MattSuguisAsFondAsEverrr Oh god I forgot they went public, last I heard they were killing it. Oof, would say its undeserved but that would be a lie.

[@bane2201]

I'd love that. If they're killing the way 1/4 of people use their platform, the company may as well go down for all I care. I really hope the dev of Apollo sues them for libel, so that I can write to all of Reddit's advertisers and say "are you really advertising on the platform being sued for libel for accusing a developer of blackmail?"

[@randomuserame]

Go short! :)

[@lavafish7660]

man, what happened to the internet. When I was a kid, the internet was the wild west, we were focused on individuality, the entire point of the internet and sites like KZbin, reddit, etc was that it was user activity that brought you there, the USERS built the platform, WE built the roads that the websites use. It felt so liberating using the internet as a kid because the whole experience felt like everyone, even me could start a KZbin channel or something and could become popular from that (I even tried that at one point as a kid). But it's so sad nowadays to basically see the internet being turned into corporate hellscapes straight out of Cyberpunk, the individuality that made it great is gone, now it's either conform and be the same or be put down by algorithms, you only do things for monetary value and clicks, nothing seems original and fun anywhere on the internet anymore, and whenever competition arises, the big companies do whatever possible to remove it. The whole system has become one big dance to appease shareholders. I just want the internet to return to the glory days, when it was just people, with cameras, doing whatever they thought would be interesting for internet people.

[@shinobuoshino5066]

The users who built these are long gone.

[@dafire9634]

The old farts caught up to the new tech and want their piece of the pie, New platforms will come out like how facebook killed myspace and discord supplanted teamspeak And the cycle of the company will start again

[@antisocialvigilante7697]

They're not gone, you'll just have to know where to look

[@zeening]

all because of that god awful fucking trash word "feduciary duty" WE WILL DESTROY OUR PLATFORM TO MAXIMIZE PROFITS BECAUSE THE LAW DEMANDS WE PRIORITZE MAKING MONEY FOR OUR SHAREHOLDERS OVER EVERYTHING AND WE CAN BE SUED INTO REMOVAL/REPLACEMENT IF WE DO ANYTHING ELSE! what the fuck kind of dystopian trash shit is that?????

[@DigiYF]

People got good at becoming popular on purpose and developed ways of using that popularity, basically.

[@dealloc]

A Reddit developer indirectly telling people that their API is inefficient for third-party apps as it requires X amount of requests to replicate Reddit. This reeks of bad infrastructure, engineering and design decisions on Reddit's part. I've worked on apps which required a huge amount of requests for the clients. Granted that most of these apps did not have millions of users, so that was acceptable. But as we scale, we always made sure to combine requests where needed. We also often end up moving from a traditional "REST" API to a GraphQL one that can make scaling even better, as one can more easily query for specific data without requiring to fetch from a database, service, etc. That and proper caching strategies. There are solutions to these problems and Reddit don't seem to take that into consideration. What's funny is that Reddit _is_ using GraphQL. But just very inefficiently. They didn't design the API based on their UI requirements but rather based on generic approach. There are tradeoffs to this, but seeing over 100 GraphQL requests in one go; that's just bad API design.

[@danielmorton1606]

And how much of the data is garbage features nobody actually cares about...

[@SirUncleDolan]

And, unfortunately, all too often it seems to happen like this; the huge entity with messy code and implementation and _maybe_ enough resources to fix it in this century will never try, and in trying for more money will inevitably kill itself off leaving everyone that liked it in the dust 😔 It's genuinely really sad to watch.

[@zeening]

discord literally has a big post about how they solved the problem with insane amounts of queries/requests and how they made it infinitely scalable... literally all the dumb fucks at reddit need to do is read a literal fucking blog post.

[@zeening]

discord literally has a big post about how they solved the problem with insane amounts of queries/requests and how they made it infinitely scalable... literally all the dumb cucks at reddit need to do is read a literal fucking blog post.

[@zeening]

my god im so motherfucking sick and tired of YT deleting my posts because it thinks it's "too mean"

[@khazz33]

I miss the good old days of the internet where literally everything didn't have to be monetized

[@sihamhamda47]

The good time when paid subscription didn't exist yet

[@noname-gp6hk]

All the free money from investors is drying up. Entire generation of people grew up with an internet based on cheap interest rates and delusional investors. Gonna be interesting to see what these companies have to do in order to be sustainable and not go bankrupt.

[@bracedgod4505]

​@@noname-gp6hk AHOY MATEYS

[@Mel-nw2ko]

I miss those days too

[@RWAsur]

big mood

[@owenwalters5505]

I pray for every redditor that finally has to step outside

[@Nogardtist]

xD they wont last 10 minutes without returning to their hivemind mob mentality cult

[@gameringdudeguy1126]

@George Costanza the Russian Spy truly russian

[@gameringdudeguy1126]

@George Costanza the Russian Spy also Glory to Arstotzka.

[@meh1988]

wait what the fuck you cant do this to me?! YOU CANT!

[@treebush]

if they did that global warming/climate change would cause an extreme change in temp lol

[@TimStolarz]

As much as it's easy to say 'yeah good riddance reddit', I actually get most of my news, guides, info and updates for my hobbies through reddit and it's a shame to have to give it up with the end of the these third party apps. I'm NOT using the main reddit app because it's terrible.

[@shinobuoshino5066]

Yeah it's time to stop using shitty apps and scrape only the things you need (actual text).

[@PalashaGabarra]

Take the discord pill my friend. Any specific niche community you need probably has a server.

[@shadez123]

@@PalashaGabarra Nah the forum style of reddit is better and the information is easily searchable from a search engine without needing to search or join specific subreddits

[@triggerhappy4199]

Same sadge

[@acoolrocket]

@@shadez123 This here, Discord's closed off nature of servers hinders so much easily searchable information. Really its either going through niche single use website/forums or a subreddit when searching for something.

[@SpinDlsc]

Well, maybe people will actually be motivated to start their own message boards again instead of using Reddit. Honestly, I've always hated Reddit's UI and couldn't be bothered to use it, much less post in it, regularly. It is a valuable resource for knowledge, though.

[@snickle1980]

"we're going public" is never something you want to hear from a company you love (or use often and hate) It's like hearing a loved one has cancer. All the priorities of the company shift towards making a greater profit and thats just...it. Now we'll watch as reddit suffers a _VERY slow and painful_ death. Just like all the others. =)

[@Pers0n97]

I never understood why every successful companies go public. It always looked like selling the golden goose to me... until I realize that everyone would sell out of billions in a heartbeat. Companies don't go public to get more money for their rapidly expanding companies, they do to cashout for more money than anyone would see in their lives.

[@willl676]

Reddit has been a shadow of its former self ever since Aaron Swartz's death in 2013. This is, hopefully, the nail in the coffin.

[@ironpulcinella3586]

pReddit deserve to twitch itself

[@tessiepinkman]

@@willl676 Just what I was gonna say.

[@mdog86]

God can you fucking imagine what Aaron would think to see what reddit has become? He helped create that site so it was just as much his.

[@MartinThePolarBear]

Reddit didn't even have an app for the first decade they were around. They relied on 3rd party apps to help grow the userbase until they purchased the most popular 3rd party app, Alien Blue and turning it into the Official App and ruining it. They've relied on volunteer work to make this site what it is. They didn't have a native media host until someone created Imgur, they rely on unpaid volunteer mods to keep things running, they rely on users to generate all the content. Without the unpaid volunteers, Reddit would be a website only, text only, small discussion board/forum from the 2000s

[@sephiroth900000]

Seeing the AMA by spez getting downvoted to oblivion is hilarious. Reddit is taking a massive L that looks like they won't come back from.

[@AnOriginalName500]

Wouldn't finally doing something about the godawful platform count as a W?

[@gutsssz]

It’s kinda funny how everyone hates Spez, people on the right hate him because they think his platform censors too much, and people on the left hate him because he doesn’t censor enough.

[@Pers0n97]

​@@gutsssz its always funny to see how the left keep on telling on themselves like that ngl.

[@cbazxy2697]

​@@gutsssz no, people hate the greed. Reddit cares about the lost ad revenue more than the user experience. It seems like reddit wants to increase revenue as much as possible before going public

[@gutsssz]

@@cbazxy2697 And thats completely in their right, if you don't like the platform then simply use another, nobody is forcing you to use reddit.

[@gabby3036]

8:32 Gotta love the shout-out for Reddit is Fun presumably being "more efficient" than Apollo. Meanwhile, I opened Reddit is Fun earlier today only to be met with an epitaph in pop-up form (and funeral dirge accompaniment performed by my breaking heart) telling me it's officially shutting down June 30th. I paused and literally yelled at my phone when I heard Muta read the RiF name-drop in that tone-deaf-ass post. I am incensed. It's not the third-party apps' fault that Reddit's own app *sucks*. It's not the third-party apps' fault that I can't tap "continue in browser" fast (or hard) enough whenever I have need to open the comments in Firefox. And it's not gonna be the third-party apps' fault when I join the ranks of that small amount of sickos who use Reddit through their mobile browser - a group of weirdos that might soon see a ballooning in number.

[@mfvicli]

If their mobile app was good, maybe we'd all be using it. But as of right now, the app is extremely limited in how you're able to make a post. All the formatting that's given to you in apps like Infinity for Reddit is missing in the main app. The experience is dumbed down for no reason. When TikTok was becoming popular, they converted their video player into a buggy mess that resembles TikTok just to look similar to the popular app. Things have only grown worse over the years. The side-bar has moved locations every few months because god-forbid the UI isn't refreshed. Using third party apps saves you from these horrible design choices.

[@kevinross6235]

Maybe if Reddit would offer its users a better experience then people wouldn't use third party applications as much

[@MattSuguisAsFondAsEverrr]

maybe the real reddit armchair mods are the reddit staff themselves

[@MattSuguisAsFondAsEverrr]

@StudiousKid152 like why can't i fucking use it landscape on tablet it's stupid

[@mayravixx25]

@StudiousKid152 Agreed. I mean the very fact that browsing Reddit with a mobile web browser is better than using their app says a lot

[@OrlyStudios]

If i worked at Reddit my first thought would be "why arent we hiring these people?"

[@kris1123259]

A good UX is usually bad for business. The new site sucks because there's a shit ton of trackers and ad-related stuff that slows the whole thing down.

[@Chloroxite]

Im gonna be deathly serious here. The entire reason I stopped using Reddit's official mobile app was because I got entirely FED UP with the damn thing. It would regularly crash, ran unusuably slow at times, would softlock, bug out, and it made the entire damn thing agonizing to use. Get rid of my 3rd party app, you get rid of me as a user. Deadass.

[@izcalliguadarrama]

Will u finally be able to go outside? 🫣

[@FriteVerte]

Not to mention the strain on battery life. It's like I was running a full 3D game on a potato rig

[@ShockInazuma]

@@izcalliguadarrama Non-Reddit users when they meet a Redditor (They never ever go outside):

[@Masterhitman935]

Don’t forget too many ads, fucking ads in the comments section, really?!?

[@TheUltimm]

@@ShockInazuma redditors probably go outside more than i do

[@ares395]

The funniest thing is that the 3rd party apps were first. Reddit did not have an official app for a long time. Despite that the official app is legit the worst possible browsing experience from all the apps that exist. They did the pseudo-ama today and 4 admins collectively posted like 25 comments in that thread and some of them were not even answers. I for one do not care at this point, this is the last social media thing that I use and the official app is obnoxious enough that I'll just quit and read books instead or anything else really. I don't understand what is happening in 2023 but seems like all developers of any kind, both gaming and social media just love to ruin their stuff to nth degree. At this point a dead monkey without a brain would do a better job. I'm guessing this is the culmination of us letting devs test the limits till they realized that people don't take action and other devs followed suit.

[@YoungDeathWish]

Do it. You’ll be happier and healthier if you quit and read books. This is the sign you needed

[@ares395]

@@YoungDeathWish I mean, I already do but now I'll just have to take a book with me if there's a chance I'll have to wait somewhere. In all honestly I'll probably miss browsing on a toilet the most lol.

[@noname-gp6hk]

Near 0% interest rates are over and so is a lot of investor funding. These sites gonna need to find a way to turn a profit or they're going bankrupt soon.

[@zeening]

nah man, it's literally and PURELY AND ONLY all because of greed and that god awful fucking trash word "feduciary duty" WE WILL DESTROY OUR PLATFORM TO MAXIMIZE PROFITS BECAUSE THE LAW DEMANDS WE PRIORITZE MAKING MONEY FOR OUR SHAREHOLDERS OVER EVERYTHING AND WE CAN BE SUED INTO REMOVAL/REPLACEMENT IF WE DO ANYTHING ELSE! what the fuck kind of dystopian trash shit is that?????

[@novaangle2183]

I've never personally used apps and, frankly, I don't see the point to. If reddit doesn't let me use it on my web browser for my phone I simply will just not use it. I do not want apps on my phone that drain my battery and suck out my data. It's so annoying all these places have apps which are all in themselves just utterly useless trash in my opinion.

[@evillecaston]

Why can't Reddit just be normal? Everything about it has to be so weird all the time, I swear.

[@ScuffedHomie]

SJW’s ruin everything

[@70dume]

I just love how funny and utterly pathetic these movements are, it's literally just "I'm so HECKIN mad i'm gonna stop using this website for a DAY !" and they set their little date for their protest and after a day or two everything is back to normal and literally nothing changes at all. Internet activists will never cease to amaze me.

[@avgchoobafan]

I've always wondered why these type of protest are so tame, i mean, 2 days it's not something small but why not an entire week or two? Imagine the amount of trafic that Reddit could lose (and potentially money) if the blackout lasted at least a week instead of a weekend essentially. If the objective of the blackout is to demonstrate discontent over a certain change maybe go all in and just do the week black-out?

[@reiangossling6395]

The userbase is to addicted to imagine lasting an entire week without Reddit.

[@Avvy89]

The problem is that admins are willing to and have removed mods from subreddits before. It's not a stretch to think that they'd remove mods of the majors subs if they keep at it for longer. They'll just replace them with new mods who'll be more... compliant to what admins want

[@masterofwriters4176]

I mean, some subreddits are planing on going until they're protest yields success.

[@apache937]

We start with 2, then we keep going a bit later if nothing happens

[@Zaque-TV]

The Admins will just go in and undo it, replace or block the mods, and pretty much do whatever they want. It's up to the user to stop visiting the site. Then when the website dies they'll stick a piece of wood in the spokes of their bike wheel and be like "why did they do this to us wow"

[@ArensVT]

A 48 hour blackout isnt nearly enough

[@Nogardtist]

they gonna regret 30 min after they start the protest like a joke where classmates say everyone gonna skip class and only you ended skipping class

[@Raulxz]

@@Nogardtist im preety sure the owner’s of subreddits make the thing private and make it so people can’t post

[@Nogardtist]

@@Raulxz lets see if thats not a bluff or these power mods would threat other mods not to protest

[@byAshh]

most subs said they are going at least 48 hours. If reddit doesn’t act, it’s indefinite

[@JustSomeDinosaurPerson]

KZbin commenters trying not to act superior to every other social media platform despite being the most confidently wrong of the bunch challenge: Impossible

[@legoshi6531]

Honestly I'm all for reddit destroying themselves, both Reddit and Twitter are the cause for so many terminally online people.

[@TitanBeats]

sure but it's literally the best and only place to get good info on very specific things, it's the only way to talk to the entirety of the yoyo/cubing/lightsaber and many other communities

[@TheSilverwing999]

It's so weird to me that people like you say this because you are completely ignoring that no other place is good enough to get actual information on specific questions and subjects compared to reddit. Twitter is already long gone with recent changes literally all we have left is reddit. Once that's gone where will you ask questions to real humans? Instagram? Lol

[@Benjamin-Dover-f8p]

@@TitanBeats I personally think forums are 10 times better.

[@ChoklatMilc]

@Just a turtle who's son is this 😂

[@ryboi1337]

​@@TheSilverwing999 quora?

[@MidNiteR32]

To give a background: Reddit, since the beginning was always open, and encouraged third parties to use their API to create third party apps. Reddit never had an official app, until it bought out Alien Blue, which it later killed. So for the longest time before 2016, if you wanted to browse Reddit on your mobile device it was through a third party app. Fast forward since they released their app. Reddit started making restriction to their API, forcing third parties to change the name of their apps and how they interact with it. Reddit wants to go public, they haven’t said it publicly, but they plan on taking the company public - they have for a couple of years been trying to that. This whole API debacle is just them trying to shut down the competition to their official app, since their own app is trash to proper up their IPO.

[@09RHYS]

That and AI Scraping, I guess the ethos & values of the once fair and reasonable team of staff have all moved on and we're left greedy corporate executives who couldn't care less about integrity or their reputation, they probably think of themselves as unassailable being the defacto forum of the internet which is too big to fail so they do whatever they like, same goes for Twitch & Twitter... I definitely feel a revolution coming though, when a small percentage of people do this and everyone hates it, there will inevitably come a time when majority will win the war just through sheer numbers and ofcourse loss of revenue due to that boycott will be what makes these idiots finally change their tune and be decent, fair and reasonable people again, either that or the entire community calls for CEO's etc to be removed and replaced with truly good people that are well known to be for the people.

[@basicstuff1075]

I'm a Infinity for Reddit user and seeing the app basically shoot itself in the foot is sad and hilarious at the same time. Sad to see Infinity go dark, but hilarious to see Reddit not thinking about they're fucking with the community (somenthing that's been proving does not fucking work, yet, it actually ends in a kinda Streissand Effect). So yeah, hopefully we're at a point of no return, where this whole thing blows up in Steve's face (fuck you Spez btw).

[@Lumilicious]

I am actually still surprised that people didn't ditch Reddit after Spez was caught editing user comments without anyones knowledge. Like... people always complaining about power trippin mods, but it's the admin himself who is power trippin on his website. It needs to die, just like twitter and facebook.

[@gutsssz]

It was over a user making a joke about his wife too.

[@lucklessbastard]

I missed this drama. Any recommended sources or videos I should check out?

[@bot-h2h]

Not good replacement for a forum like website with lot of user. Lemmy is the closest but no a lot of user use it

[@ChunkTheEditor]

I used to think that online capitalism would be less egregious than the standard corporation but every month that just gets proven to be more and more wrong.

[@ytnukesme1600]

what kind of capitalism do you think you have exactly when every industry is monopolized by 2 ~ 3 massive corporate entities all owned by an even bigger corporate entity?

[@ChunkTheEditor]

@@ytnukesme1600 i was talking about online. Every industry is a slave industry and it’s prob gonna be that way online as well. Twitch especially is trying to do that.

[@Merble]

Reddit is a standard corporation and has been since 2014ish and Twitch is owned by Amazon so what do you expect.

[@glebglub]

@@ChunkTheEditor have you not heard of Alphabet?

[@ChunkTheEditor]

@@Merble tbh i couldnt care less about them, the issue is that it’s just going to get worse with other sites, including KZbin imo. Especially since KZbin might replace tik tok and twitch. KZbin already doesnt really give a fuck.

[@chaimeu]

Twitch, Reddit, Twitter...so many of these websites are killing themselves. Hooray!

[@Cimlite]

I feel like we could throw Netflix in there as well. The password sharing rules are atrocious.

[@Benjamin-Dover-f8p]

Don’t forget Facebook.

[@villager736]

I wonder what will replace them

[@mbergamin16]

Now we just need YT to do the same and push more people towards Rumble 👍🏼

[@Cimlite]

@George Costanza the Russian Spy TikTok isn't killing itself though. It's being dragged out back to be shot by governments.

[@wallyhackenslacker]

God do I hope that Reddit actually diggs it's own grave with this situation and collapses completely, if only to put the fear of God back into the big-ass social networks that consider themselves too big to ever fail.

[@zuriel4783]

>diggs I see what you did there

[@user-a0d9w0ec9wiej]

​@@zuriel4783 Genius move amirite

[@kiwi_2_official]

diggs

[@aneru9396]

What makes the blackout feel disingenuous, to me, is how mods are are deciding to selectively permanently shutter less active subreddits, then parading those subs’ subscriber numbers around as trophies, All while the more popular subreddits of similar themes are not even considering that. leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

[@ethansmom8838]

A theory I saw months ago annd stuck with said that internally, reddit is furious about how much of ChatGPT (and other LLM) is built from them without them seeing as much of a return. The CEO somewhat confirms this in today's AMA.

[@yourmomsboyfriend3337]

Yet all of their horrible data is already gone, this won’t do a god damned thing to make them any money. The fact that they think people would pay for this when they can just scrape it under the radar to build their datasets is incredible. OpenAI doesn’t even release their datasets, so Reddit would’ve have a clue if they just scraped the HTML code instead of using an overpriced API. Or, I don’t know, just didn’t use Reddit

[@wallyhackenslacker]

@@yourmomsboyfriend3337 I imagine that behind the scenes the admins analyzed the API analytics and noticed huge amounts of API requests coming from lots of Azure instances (ChatGPT and it's sibling models run on Azure) and came to the conclusion of "that was OpenAI gobbling up our data!"

[@thecherryontop3251]

Na. Reddit is going public and wants to "clean up" so they aimed to extinguish Third Party Apps, like the video says. The Apollo developer made an excellent post explaining it. They were all willing to pay for API and even looked forward to it as it could get them some benefits. ALL of these 3p apps understood this and they were lied to by Reddit. Reddit told them the price would be reasonable and "nothing like Twitter" - and proceeded to give them rates so high they match Twitter. Had Reddit wanted 3rd Party Apps to stick around they would have negotiated. That's why Apollo shut down -apart from the absolutely unacceptable harassment, mistreatment and worse from Reddit. The devs realized it too, that Reddit just wanted them out. What Reddit did wrong is well, everything. They now have their entire site about to die. Good luck getting a stockholder to invest HAHAHA. If they even go public Reddit has devalued itself so much in such a short span of time it's almost impressive. Peak stupidity.

[@danielmorton1606]

So instead their website is going to get mined, which is more expensive for everyone since bots generate excessive requests for a fraction of the data especially when avoiding detection.

[@souptaels]

Reddit was already far gone years ago.

[@Benjamin-Dover-f8p]

100%. So many predators on that website as well.

[@Pickle0521]

Yeah, so many weird people on there

[@local_authority]

Reddit is a cesspit, always has been, a congregation of the lame and uninteresting

[@ZarChasmOfficial]

​@@TurtleChad1 everyone knows a good portion of those needed to be taken down.

[@josephtaylor4505]

​@@TurtleChad1 true, those people have a tendency for that lol

[@Lappy-fx4kq]

Is anyone shocked that Reddit does this? The moment they dabbled in NFTs it was obvious that they're shady.

[@czeskiczarownik1645]

Damn, i used vanced and now revanced for youtube, but never knew 3rd party apps for reddit even exist, kind of shame, because it would make my experience way better than it is.

[@aestheticzea]

just got off reddit and was completely out of the loop, then this video just popped up. thanks for being always on top of things muta.

[@NRG-REC]

Same. Was having a whole discussion didn't notice anything.

[@Needler13]

It's literally all over the site

[@YoungDeathWish]

$5 says the blackout is a total failure

[@WayStedYou]

How? Almost every sub has a stickied post about them boycotting it

[@YoungDeathWish]

@@WayStedYou well I’ve been on Reddit today, there’s no blackout

[@wkdpaul]

Spez doubled down in the AMA saying Appollo was blackmailing them ... Even after the audio of the call was released.

[@ghost_curse]

He got mad that the call was "leaked"

[@OliveDasi]

It feels like Elon Musk opened the floodgates for each social media/streaming company to basically drop the facade of wanting to have a decent platform and just cut straight to the bottom line - money and they don't care what terrible decisions and collateral damage happens along the way.

[@Wonderbrut]

Go outside bruh it ain’t that deep

[@the_expidition427]

@@Wonderbrut Be honest and genuine is deep in this day in age

[@cool_bug_facts]

@@Wonderbrut who said it was deep

[@CaillouThePimp]

Investor greed kills everything good.

[@EternalFallNexus5]

Yeah but Elon is mega rich if Twitter dosen't make money it dosen't hurt is wallet and he is also a walking anomaly.

[@TheSacredCowtipper88]

The accessibility apps one was so mind blowing because they were basically banning all blind people from reddit with this and it was such aind boggling choice lol glad that was undone

[@alliedog6678]

But NSFW content is still restricted on those accessibility apps. This is not equality

[@BRUHItsABunny]

if this truly was a operating cost problem at it's core then they would have tackled it differently even if you turn off all third party API access, you end up with the same load but through a different API, still about the same costs ... this is just the raaapey big tech mindset, actually surprisingly similar to what happened to Twitter years back

[@Aftsov]

This is truly a certified Reddit moment of all time.

[@ryanbadgett]

I joined their blackout. It’s a HUGE blackout. They should’ve seen it coming, these changes may bring their end. I also wish Aaron was still here, I only know a bit about him.

[@ryanbadgett]

Or at the very least, a massive tank to the company. I’m gonna guess in community member totals, it’s over 200-300 million members blacking out.

[@pixellordm8780]

@@TurtleChad1 i don't like the hypocrisy in their judgement regarding it, i'd have been fine with them deleting politcally charged subreddits if they were indiscriminate regarding it, but it's clear they were deleting based off political bias they're 'free to do so' but i'm also free to criticize it and not use the platform

[@rapu4]

Yup, thousands of subreddits are going dark, and some of them indefinitely

[@Beinon007]

Mate the venture capitolists that want to buy reddit cheap are angling for this. It's all part of the plan

[@tony_5156]

@@TurtleChad1 rip 2BALKAN4YOU

[@WigwamK]

It doesn't matter if they backtrack, we know their intentions and they will have their way in the end. I'll no longer browse reddit now but instead just visit from search engine results.

[@fightinggimmick2592]

Damn social media platforms are just racking up L after L.

[@scooottbruh7849]

I wouldn't be so concerned with reddit if the communities I go to have other sites. Reddit is one of the big bastions when it comes to making forums still relevant. I miss forums.

[@dafire9634]

Forums are created by necessity, reddit consolidated every community, if reddit dies, forums will become needed again

[@majamystic256]

the only forum I still use is Doomworld because Doom is an awesome FPS game series with a big modding community

[@kiwi_2_official]

forums are giga

[@PopTartNeko]

If social media sites keep doing these greedy stuff i might have to delete all of them and do something productive with my life

[@shinobuoshino5066]

about time

[@tuluflulu]

Do it anyway.

[@therealspeedwagon1451]

Good. Finally we can all go outside and touch grass

[@neko2775]

Reddit started with a couple of guys posting random shit with multiple accounts to make it appear busier than it is and it's about to go full circle with a couple of guys posting random shit with multiple accounts to make it appear busier than it is.

[@thechugg4372]

OGs will remember when the video was called "Reddit is destroying their website"

[@izcalliguadarrama]

Oh shit i just noticed 😭

[@SeaPen]

I literally have been learning about APIs this week. This news couldn't have come at a better time.

[@Zairin.]

the fact they made a statement saying "reddit was never intended to support 3rd party apps" is ridiculous. like yeah, thats almost every site/company. its the users who will make that push. but paywalling it behind stupidly expensive API access is a straight braindead decision

[@Charles_Drakkan]

Dude even the Pirate reddit is joining the protest, you know you fuged when even the pirates are protesting

[@guardiansoulblade2673]

Piracy’s Reddit revolt is just funny.

[@hutbgurb]

I'm sure they'll find a eay to pirate api use

[@bot-h2h]

​@@hutbgurb hard scraping the website

[@ethansmom8838]

Hope they stick with the blackout for long enough to actually hurt them. It's a net positive either way though...

[@YoungDeathWish]

Won’t happen dude. The blackout is just a handful of mods. No one is actually gonna do it

[@GoldenGaraPrime]

Reddit Is Fun is such a good app. It actually didn't recommend me garbage subreddits contantly. On the official it would constantly recommend me subreddits I would never use, and even making it clear that I was not interested in the subreddit through the app it just completely ignored me until I blocked it. Even worse it doesn't even keep loading posts from various subreddits like RIF. I have never known an app to just not load content like it's just telling you, you've had enough content for the day. I'm uninstalling reddit on my phone. The app is shit and it just isn't worth using. I'm just going to stay with Lemmy + Mastodon. I don't need reddit anyway. It's just full of reposts and low effort content. Not like it used to be.

[@GoldSrc_]

Let reddit die, bring back forums to their former glory again.

[@kiwi_2_official]

YEjJ

[@illegalalien6542]

Let's make Reddit great again! JK let it die the slow painful death it deserves.

[@OwenGee22]

I saw something about this heavily affecting the blind community too? Something about them using third party apps to be able to access Reddit for the audio captioning

[@Sue_Me_Too]

I've been participating in the blackout for about 10 years now.

[@izcalliguadarrama]

Ok

[@Epsil0nify]

Reddit is 100% in their rights to do this, but they are shitheads for doing it and obviously are trying to bump up their valuation. I am an Apollo user and I hate that I'm going to have to use the official app with all its intrusive ads and random posts from other subs to advertise those subs inside of other ones, and just the lack of features.

[@izcalliguadarrama]

Just ignore them foo

[@antikommunistischaktion]

Just delete your Reddit account, that hellhole provides nothing of value.

[@dylanpelo]

Once Sync dies, I'm for sure not going back on mobile. Only will check in on NCD from time to time.

[@Epsil0nify]

@L o w s h y n e 6 Ah, good tip for when I'm forced back, thanks haha

[@neinja66469]

​@@izcalliguadarrama 🤡🤡🤡

[@jasondisney]

Twitch and Reddit falling apart, what a sight to behold.

[@ShockInazuma]

Twitter too.

[@ZealotZephyr]

And twitter

[@Pers0n97]

Internet is healing.

[@wallyhackenslacker]

After almost 20 years, we were bound for a new round internet company self-destructions like what happened with MySpace and Digg and left us with the sites that created the current hellscape that is the internet today.

[@ShockInazuma]

@@Pers0n97 Damn, this is kinda like what plant life does to old, abandoned buildings. How they reclaim what was once theirs.

[@OctagonalSquare]

Louis Rossmann talked about this and brought up an interesting point Websites like Reddit have never made profit, and have been running off investor funds since inception. This was fine when they started and interest rates were basically 0. But now the investors want returns, and their incredibly low api prices have to be the first thing to increase. They have already maximized income from ads, and more ads would just kill the platform. Many more websites will begin increasing their prices very similarly soon and it WILL completely change the 3rd party tech space

[@TealJosh]

Louis isn't a developer. No one said the API must be free, the issue is, the price is incomprehensible. I think it was $0.34 per 1000 calls. That's insane. If investors and boards smell blood in the water line this on other services as well. They are bound to be defunct.

[@ET_AYY_LMAO]

Dont ask A woman her age A man his salary The CEO of reddit what subs he moderated back in 2008.

[@neoqwerty]

Betting ten bucks this is at least 70% "we don't want you to use anything but our own app and a browser". PS: Reddit, your mobile app is a POS, I would sooner NOT go on reddit at ALL on my phone than either get bugged to use the app OR use the app.

[@luxhikarimusic4663]

it warms my heart to see the common man fight the good fight against capitalist greed

[@wickendiana8310]

"Capitalist greed"

[@magolord2820]

​@@wickendiana8310 Well yeah, that's what it is lol

[@wickendiana8310]

@@magolord2820 its just greed

[@gutsssz]

Reddit moderators aren’t the common man, I wouldn’t even consider them human, they’re vile rodents.

[@dorugoramon0518]

@@wickendiana8310 Reddit being owned by the CCP intensifies.

[@jordan177606]

What you didn't mention is that most of the 3rd party apps were created at a time when Reddit didn't have an official app. Reddit bought one of the most popular apps, Alien Blue, filled it with their garbage, and now they are going to shut down every other app.

[@Evanz111]

I actually mod the Call of Duty and Forspoken subreddits and can absolutely vouch that the mobile app is awful, it’s how I do 100% of the moderating and everything takes 5x as long, with so many bizarre design decisions.

[@nebula0024]

The OG Reddit that was actually good died MANY years ago. I ditched that site the second it turned into a sanitized corporate snooze-fest.

[@ponternal]

Reddit mods protesting this change by going outside for two days is hilarious

[@ml2919]

They are making it worse every update you cant do anything without something crumbling in on itself

[@watsonwrote]

30 days?? I'm an IT admin and we won't even push a major upgrade an internal app to production in 30 days. You need a couple weeks just to brain storm, test options, confirm design choices with impacted teams, construct a roll-out plan, update documentation, and only then do you begin testing. Then you test until all the bugs are worked out, which of course involves fixing the issues that inevitably arise. And only then do you push to production. The meetings alone in the planning stages can take 30 days, especially if it involves any vendors or third-parties. Communicating changes to users requires more than a couple weeks of runway. Absolutely unreal timeline

[@produccionesabuela8533]

We deploy new release version to production every month

[@WeldonSirloin]

"Reddit is going public" The horror!

[@zuriel4783]

Going corporate and launching that IPO is going to be the death of the website. We all know what happens when companies are forced to listen to the shareholders and not the community

[@shandromand1675]

You missed the bit about the accessibility app exception - the developers for those apps will only GET the exception if they provide it for free.

[@epsorks]

This "blackout" won't do anything, best thing you can do is move on and let that dogshit site die.

[@a2d]

As a RIF user, i would happily pay $1.99 a month for a subscription. The interface is so simple, minimal and straightforward. I downloaded the official Reddit app and to say it sucks is an understatement. You can't even read the comments without it injecting all kinds of other posts and comments and shit... Just let me read what i wanna read! Instead of giving third party devs the time they need to reconfigure their apps to collect a subscription fee, Reddit just decided to nuke them instead with an impossibly short deadline. Sorry Reddit, it was fun while it lasted, but after over ten years and over 100k karma... I'm out. Way to digg your own grave.

[@scorch855]

Learning about the popularity of third party clients finally explains how a website with such a terrible UI/UX could be so popular

[@Taunocturna]

I used the official app phone app for maybe a total of a single day before I uninstalled it because the experience was really that bad. It was slow and often failed to display text properly and there was a 50/50 chance that either a video wouldn't play or the comments wouldn't even load. The app consumed an absurd amount of RAM and decimated my battery life, good design guys. I'm just a causal lurker god forbid how awful it would be for power users. Infinity was my go to because it loaded posts exponentially faster than the reddit app and you could actually use it with signing in to an account.

[@itsDevChaudhary]

It's a trend now - Nintendo, Twitch, Reddit destroying themselves Chopping their own legs off And here we laugh our asses off at their dumb decisions

[@headshotmaster138]

What did do Nintendo do?

[@headshotmaster138]

@PodpolkovnikGeorgeCostanza I was expecting something different.

[@Raulxz]

Kinda sucks cause looking up tutorials for stuff on yt, you cant tell if a vid is fake or not because they removed dislikes, or if you’re looking to download a program for something you dont know on yt whether its a virus because youtubers can delete comments and youtube doesn’t show dislikes

[@Sephiroso.]

If you think Nintendo is destroying itself, i don't know what world you living in. No matter how much people hate Nintendo's anti-consumer practices, it doesn't make a lick of difference. People will continue throwing their money at Nintendo because Nintendo's games are almost always bangers and they have been for 4 decades straight.

[@itsDevChaudhary]

@@headshotmaster138 then read what I wrote if ya want something different than the common and utmost true fact aight but read it

[@QuiteLunacy]

"Reddit is Destroying Their Website..." Thank fucking god.

[@Moonside_Fox]

I use Reddit daily for sfw and nsfw purposes. It's a great platform because it is so easy to filter the bad and I personally love the format. That said even though I never used third party apps, I fully stand by the moderators that are getting fucked over by Reddit's terrible new policies. I will miss Reddit dearly, but if they want to make stupid choices then they should suffer the consequences Edit: Watched further in the video. I'm disappointed Reddit is going public because the best part of it was that it was a private company without the interests of greedy shareholders affecting it. Guess that's not the case anymore. I guarantee they ban nsfw stuff within two years and that's going to be the final nail in the coffin for them.

[@harnageaa]

the moment nsfw isn't a thing on reddit, the site is dead. and a competitor arrive.

[@zadovrus1624]

In my experience Reddit shows political subreddits in my face pretty aggressively. I use Reddit for nsfw only

[@stevenpochatko945]

@@zadovrus1624 ya its kind of annoying how political the platform is. at least is spans most of the spectrum, albeit more to the left.

[@Moonside_Fox]

@@zadovrus1624 I turned off the feature that recommends subreddits on your homepage as soon as it was made, and I never look at the popular section because I don't care. So that never really affected me. I only look at the home section which is subs I specifically choose to be displayed.

[@myoriginalname]

The reason Reddit has so many 3rd part apps is because up until a few years ago Reddit didn’t even have an official mobile app to begin with, fun fact: the current official app used to be one of these third party apps before being bought by Reddit.

[@emi9643]

i used to browse reddit pretty much daily, back around 2014-2015. i exclusively used Alien Blue, a 3rd party iOS app. Reddit bought out Alien Blue and by 2016 had basically shut it down to replace it with their own official app. since then my use of reddit had quickly declined to about once a month if they were lucky. They already took my app from me, and now they are taking it from others 7 years later. i can guarantee a lot of people will drop the platform simply because their means of access got taken away, the way reddit is doing it is just going to push more people to leave out of sheer anger towards reddits tactics

[@markm0000]

I’m pretty sure Reddit is going to implode since they just kicked dirt in the faces of mods. The thousands of people that keep the damn website tolerable.

[@YoungDeathWish]

Mods are an outdated antiquated method anyway. No other social media has mods who work for free. Honestly the site will be a lot better if they do away with the neckbeard mods who get their only semblance of happiness by a perceived position of power online

[@gutsssz]

Those loser power tripping mods deserve more than dirt in their face, I couldn’t be happier over Reddit deciding to do this. Maybe these losers will actually be forced to get some sunlight.

[@neoasura]

Mods are the ones that make most of the subs intolerable with their biased enforcement of the rules. Fuck them.

[@Capta1nAsh]

Amazon: We're gonna be greedy with twitch. Reddit: Hold my beer

[@LtheOriginal]

If only Reddit was capable of making an app that's worth half a damn, then people wouldn't *"have"* to use 3rd party apps to begin with. 🙃

[@Rakkeyal]

When I use RIF, the amount of "happy" is higher than the amount of "frustration". When I use reddit (via browser, or app), frustration is higher than happy. Sure, I'm just 12 cents of a human to them, but if they don't back down, I'm just not going to be a member anymore. Its not a threat, its just psychology.

[@themalcontent100]

The moment it goes public, the founders are going to get kicked out of their offices.

[@Shatterwings060]

This is pretty much going to spin up a race to convert all these 3rd party apps into individual domain web-sites; which could in turn out compete reddit.

[@draunt7]

Remember friends, Workers produce value, not the owners.

[@sorbetkidyoutube]

Nothing surprises me at this point.

[@WOWOW_3]

I started using third party apps when Reddit for some reason made their video player similar to TikTok's where scrolling just gave you the next video. Changing from Reddit's official app to third parties was such a drastic quality of life change, posts and videos loaded faster, way more customization and accessibility options, no ads, and no dumbass TikTok style video player. There is literally no reason to use the official app.

[@iMagicGraalOnline]

To clarify the Apollo issue, the Apollo developer meant "Give me 10M dollars, and Apollo will shut down after 6 months amicably without causing a fuss about these API changes". The reddit employee understood it as "Give me 10M dollars, or else". This is a hot take, but i agree with reddit wanting to cut off 3rd party apps which just leech off of reddit in many different ways, they just went about it in a horrible way. What the Apollo dev should've done was, sold the changes made in Apollo (Interface, mod tools etc) to reddit and shut down the app. He has no leverage over reddit.

[@chaoswolf9452]

Reddit is one of the only places I can actually find reliable information on anything, them doing this and going public has me a little worried, I'm gonna have to find somewhere else.

[@Folfah]

it doesnt help anything you google looking for answers 8/10 times is a reddit post

[@comaiscool]

It's shocking to me how many companies nowadays do not like the idea of paying the cost to do business

[@whom382]

This protest will make no difference.

[@Nomokuto]

Thanks for explaining it all. Other videos didn’t help me as much as this did to understand what’s going on

[@lilpetz500]

I'm hoping that this action against Reddit's choice inspired more corperate boycotts in the future. People leaving Twitter when they see hate content, leaving Tiktok when they see predatory practices, maybe even ditching places like Shein and Temu with all the serious production issues. We need to show that boycotts and blackouts work when we get enough people to join

[@interferingpanda]

Hey Muta ... is there anything to ponder or worth beard-scratching about... the small irony that... Reddit was (essentially) co/founded by Aaron Swartz.. who was grossly over-charged (criminally) for essentially downloading user generated content in the form of research papers and documents which probably definitely should be public domain, and which, on the grounds that they believed he would misuse or distribute them they ... well, you know the story of what happened to him.. and here we have Reddit looking to close API access to their own content which similarly at least, the community who created it has the right to read and reply to and access, and using any client they like up until now, thanks in large part to Aaron and people like him. Both Twitter and Reddit are having a massive shutdown of API access, making it prohibitively expensive and forcing virtually all third party apps out of existence, both due to the mass scraping of their data for training AI's ... but isn't the responsibility of the Terms of Service of a website to dictate what you can do with it ? When Swartz slurped PACER and then JSTOR and JSTOR didn't like that, they threw the force of a thousand feds at him, destining him to a lifetime in prison just for ... PLANNING to MAYBE breach the Terms of Service.. and ruined his life. So .. to these companies I say .. go focus your anger on the companies who already did slurp your data and use it to create products. I realise that once the genie is out of the bottle it's hard to put back in and you may be worried about your own users doing it in the future, but legal remedies exist for a reason, and how far are you going to go in a vendeta against the community of open source and third party developers, because YOU DO understand that any of them could pull an Aaron on you in a heartbeat and slurp your whole site for any purpose ? They could recreate Reddit from scratch in an evening, with or without its data. They're a big community. Who are you mad at ? OpenAI et al ? Or your own users ? Or the developers ? Work it out and think about your actions guys. Why did Reddit or Twitter or other sites even HAVE API access to make them basically an open platform in terms of third party access ? SHRUG .. Aaron. AI will get its day of reckoning about where it gets its data, I'm sure we can all agree. But Reddit shouldn't be too hasty to make this its own day of reckoning when it comes to user generated content. To maliciously out-price the people who are essentially its own users (at least by proxy of the creators of the apps they use to access the site), they might not be just cutting off their nose to spite their face here, they might actually be starting an ideological war over data rights. Developers are largely individuals, but they are organised .. they are brought together in places like StackExchange and GitHub and what's that other one ? Oh yeah... REDDIT. There's a lot of them too. And they tend to care about issues like access to data. Free software developers tend to care a lot bout free software and a free internet and free access to information, especially the information they created. They don't need money to create a new Reddit. Most of them aren't even motivated by money. They do things because they believe in them. A literal hundredth of the developers on Reddit, maybe a thousandth could literally get together and create Reddit in its entirety over a weekend. But that's not what I'm here to say. I think it's just really important that we all take a moment and a deep breath and remember Aaron Swartz. He died over this. He believed in an internet where sharing information between websites was not only beneficial, it was fundamental to creating a thriving internet, and he created the tools to make that possible. He believed there should be rules and licenses and agreements that allowed people to share code, share information, and to create the things like Wikipedia that we have today, and he created those too. And he is, officially speaking, the co-founder of Reddit. And, the JSTOR data ... that was user generator data too, in a way.. wasn't ? See where I'm going ? Aaron Swartz didn't think companies should be able to take user generated content and wall it up and charge for it and profit from it at the expense of the people who were IN the data or who created the data. And I think a lot of us don't. User data rights .. is sort of a thing that is part of Reddit's history, and to people who still feel that the loss of Aaron Swartz to the world.. co-founder of Reddit, creator of RSS and the Creative Commons guidelines and much more... well, that story is part of the history of the internet too. It was the day that Big Data took from the world one of the most significant and important people in the foundation of internet as we know it. Just snuffed him out with their lawyers and money and feds. A life too great ended far too early just to protect some company's profits on data that they didn't even create and which was created for the betterment of humanity. I'm just saying, it sorta feels like they are k-lining Aaron Swartz from the world all over again. Not everyone knows Aaron's story. Not everyone would even care. But a lot of people DO remember it. The Stallmans, the Torvalds, the Raymonds, the Swartz' and all the others like them ... oh we remember what happened alright. We definitely remember what happened that day. This probably won't be the hill these folks all gather on for their final battle for ownership of the internet, but Reddit sure would be a symbolic website to fall as the first casualty of that battle.. if it were to happen. I have no idea. I'm just an old internet developer musing out on the internet. What do I know ? But I remember. I don't want to be trite or make any Digg related jokes here like many have or would. Because this is serious. People have lost their lives over this before, and it's a history that very much involves Reddit. Mostly what I wanted to say was .. ."Isn't it ironic ?" and bring up Aaron because ... it seems very appropriate right now, wouldn't you agree, Muta ?

[@Sandact6]

I ain't reading all that. I'm glad for your though. Or sorry that it happened.