The Remington Rolling Block Rifle

[@CountSpartula]

People call the AK idiot-proof. This gun had it beat on that front by about a hundred years.

[@lockesnode1477]

From what I have been able to deduce, the rolling block is probably the most reliable and fool proof gun ever built.

[@oldlyswansea]

@@lockesnode1477 i think what some guy needs to do now is camber it in 5.56 or 7.62

[@rietzhu]

And it packs one hell of a punch.. Don't forget that.

[@b19931228]

It's well-designed firearm that serves its purpose, but it's no more idiot-proof than any other intermediate/full power cartridge automatic rifles at the time (think FAL, AR-15).

[@Johnnysthunder]

Much weaker action than a falling block especially evolved ones like the 1885

[@MilsurpWorld]

There is something about single shot rifles. They make you appreciate every shot fired as opposed to just throwing lead aimlessly downrange. The Martini is another cool single shot rifle that can be rechambered for different cartridges.

[@cia7832]

don't re-chamber a martini you fucking tard

[@811brian]

But martini ammo is a bitch to find or even make :(

[@angelsfallfirst7348]

@@cia7832 At one time I believed that the CIA was even a third intelligent since it makes up a third of their name, but you CIA, you prove me wrong. Some old Martinis can't even shoot the original cartridge because the barrel is in far too worse of shape and would explode. Others are too damaged to have any collector value or aesthetic appeal and are a lot better looking and more worthy of collecting AFTER the conversion. So conclusion: Think before you call random people fucking tards, else you become one.

[@junichiroyamashita]

@@angelsfallfirst7348 that is a really serious response to such a short comment. Anyway another would be the springfield trapdoor,one of my dream guns,i would put it on my fireplace if i had both. It is a pity that one cannot use the strongest 45 70 loads in it.

[@cia7832]

haha holy shit I can't believe I made a comment calling you a tard two years ago, I watch your channel semi regularly now. Sorry bro

[@8mmkyle865]

Favorite weapon in Red Dead. Wish I didn't have to use a scope though.

[@JETZcorp]

Agreed. I wanted a good iron-sighted single-shot cannon that wasn't the silly Trapdoor.

[@8mmkyle865]

@@JETZcorp personally im a fan of the spingfield as well but i totally agree with you

[@gael.7593]

@@JETZcorp The Springfield is actually pretty good.

[@heyiamnick4144]

@@JETZcorp I would love to see the Sharps rifle in the game

[@Stormcloakvictory]

There's a glitch for that, you can legit use both the Carcano and Rolling block without a scope (and oddly enough Rockstar bothered to give both of em functional iron sight) Anyway you can look up the glitch (only works in story mode, not online) Or if you're too lazy, this is how I think it worked. - Be on your horse - have rolling block equipped - let it holster on your horse saddle. - go to the gunsmith - customize your rolling block with a different scope length. - select to equip it on your back/shoulder in the customisation menu. - walk outside to your horse and stand next to it. - press rb (or RT1 on PlayStation) next to your horse to "switch to rolling block" - this drops the one you have on the ground and makes you grab the one from your saddle holster (which doesn't have a scope to prevent model clipping with the saddle holster) Ta-da: you have a rolling block without a scope, and working ironsights (it doesn't auto-aim btw) And like I said, this works with the Carcano too (which unlike the rolling block actually have very nice iron sights) Edit: it stays iron sight untill you customize it at a gunsmith in any way again

[@Relyt345]

I love the look of single shots, so clean and straight, nothing sticking out. They have a certain purity to them. I really like the high wall and the rolling block, but to me a nice Sharps is the best looking.

[@7MGTE]

I bought a Sharps Little Betsy in cal. 357 Mag. from Pedersoli

[@voltekthecyborg7898]

I prefer Bolt actions because of simplicity, more bullets, and a still satisfying rechamber (I still love my AR, tho)

[@TheAmtrack69]

My favorite breech loading single shot, a thing of beauty and simplicity.

[@512TheWolf512]

19 century weapons have something magical about them

[@BinhNguyen-kx5ry]

you mean early or late ?. It is evolving era of gun . Almost them in wild west era . You can search those gun: 1840 dryse ( 1st bolt action), 1860 henry( 1 st assault rifle), sharrps 1874( 1 st sniper rifle) and colt

[@thejonesy8173]

TFB is like the NPR of the gun world. Soft spoken and mature. Any video of your gun comps Alex?

[@RandomButtonPusher]

Nicely put.

[@WeerdBeard]

I see what you mean, but I don't hear the horrible smugness that makes NPR, and podcasts inspired by NPR unlistenable. Plus there isn't bumper music and post-effect sound backdrops that NPR just LOVES to throw in. We can agree that this channel is all kinds of awesome!

[@thegoldencaulk2742]

+Weer'd Beard I dunno, Alex can be pretty smug sometimes.

[@DeadWrecked]

i think its more like PBS than NPR.

[@RandomButtonPusher]

DeadWrecked Now that would be cool to have TFB on PBS. They do like historical things. One could hope, right? Make your pledges, TFB fans.

[@josephmartinez2320]

I was never a fan of a single shot rifle, but after seeing the Remington in action, the rolling block looks like a lot of fun to shoot!!! I am now a subscriber and I will continue to watch your videos!

[@HeiniSauerkraut]

almost as much fun as working the action of an old lever action ;-)

[@RandomButtonPusher]

Yeah, almost. ;) I find my lever-actions the sweet spot between single-shot and semi-auto.

[@HeiniSauerkraut]

@Liger1 I know :-D

[@RandomButtonPusher]

***** That's why I had to say something. ;)

[@mitchwood6609]

this design is amazing..... i love this gun; never heard of it until today

[@Isaaclichtenstein]

I love how in the very start of each of these videos, you show the gun operating, especially on these older ones. There are dozens of these civil war era guns that all operate a little differently, and it's nice to see how exactly each of them opens it's breech, and ejects a spent round, etc.

[@hukbongdagatngpilipinas6834]

1:50 sir that gun Remington rolling block rifle is like sharpshooter they used in Filipino army after in Philippines-American war 1899

[@georgeroy5914]

aside sa Spanish mauser boss

[@juanmanuelmarchioli]

I am tinking in a carbine in a nice laminate stock and in 7.62x54R... now i will look for the blueprints!!!!

[@siestatime4638]

But, if you have just one shot, you would have to actually aim! Where's the tacticool in that?

[@tfbtv]

+Siesta Time I enjoy shooting stuff like this more than any "tacticool" stuff.

[@siestatime4638]

I agree completely.

[@BigBrainNicky]

Two totally different shooting experiences and both are fun.

[@MacCoalieCoalson]

Siesta Time add a 400 round glckaclipzine and a foldey Downey thingey.

[@city_boys]

I still aim with my AR15.

[@GMdrivingMOPARguy]

Not a huge fan of Rolling Blocks but damn I love the 7x57 round. Best small arms round ever made IMO

[@lockesnode1477]

One of these in 6.5 swede would be truly marvelous.

[@markkumyllykoski5444]

2:28 Wasn't it so that you would put the cartridges between your left hand fingers instead? At least that's what I've been told.

[@ElCrab]

Markku Myllykoski that's what I was thinking as well.

[@grumblesa10]

Yes, one puts the cartridges on one's support hand. That way you just open the action and grab a round without extra movement of removing a hand, fishing for a reload around the cartridge belt, and then loading.

[@mkshffr4936]

And it seems to work best with a break top.

[@Matt35427]

Just bought one and excited to get it ! Such a cool historical piece

[@Grarder]

It's very cool to see one of these work! I always wondered how it could be as strong as a falling block, but the design on these is actually brilliant. Thanks for sharing!

[@rosenrusev6522]

It is so relaxing watching such a smooth and powerful shooting.Beautifull weapon.

[@zulu2echo]

Wow, Im not a weapons expert in any way (haha) and have not even seen this type of rifles... This must have been genious for the time! So simple, so clear, so clever, it's just gorgeous!

[@ScottRuggels]

these enjoyed a brief surge of popularity, after the end of the civil war in 1865, with the broad adoption of the brass cartridge. There were many systems such as the Trapdoor springfield, the Martini-Henry, th French Gras Rifle, The Japanese Murata, ect. these were replaced fairly quickly by tube or box magazine rifles, which is why you don't see a lot of references of these.

[@zulu2echo]

Yes, I understand they were only "up-to-date" for a very short period of time. Doesn't cancel the simplicity and effectiveness (for single shot) :)

[@ScottRuggels]

Kyrkus Oh, not at all! And they are a lot of fun to shoot, and very accurate, still.

[@la_old_salt2241]

Don't forget the Snyder.

[@ambrose788]

the rolling block pistol is one of my dream guns.

[@nomanmcshmoo8640]

A rifle so clean, simple and effective that even your video about it is succinct to the point of eloquence. I am with you. Even though modern arms can be cool and fun; there is nothing like the elegant soul of a single shot cartridge rifle.

[@davidkermes393]

I've wanted one of those for YEARS! Put a belt slide along the forestock ahead of the receiver, or use a bandolier for a shoulder strap and tuck it up against the forestock while shooting. (I once saw a photo of an experimental magazine meant to be fastened on a Swedish Army rolling block.)

[@killerpeaches7]

Love it! One of my all time favorite long arm. I'm all for the latest geewhiz tactical tupperware for defense...but for enjoyment and hunting, I love the craftsmanship and elegance of pre 1900 designs. Single Shots, Smoke Poles, old Bolt and Lever Guns.... and of course, a good wheel gun. If I ever move back to the USA, I'll probably put a rolling block on the short list. Something along the lines of the Swedish Model 1867/89, but chambered in either 7x57 or 45/70. Either would make a great deer rifle... though the 45/70 puts boar and black bear on the table again.

[@JimTrivial]

just bought a 7mm mauser 1901. Glad to see other people enjoying it as much as I do, and what an incredibly well made firearm that is

[@natea6249]

What do you use for ammo? Reloads or commercial? I just received one from 1901 chambered in 7mm mauser and have heard it's best to reload?

[@JimTrivial]

@@natea6249 havent taken it out yet, gonna test it with some different loads to see how bullet jump is looking on it but probably gonna run all reloads on it since I want to keep pressure low

[@natea6249]

@@JimTrivialthanks for your response. I think I'll be reloading as well then. I have found that most go that route. What pressure are you aiming to stay under? I've heard under 50k and under 46k?

[@JimTrivial]

@@natea6249 not looking for a specific threshold per say, more just looking to keep the rifle in good condition because I dont plan on shooting it all that often, I'll get one in worse condition for that. So more just gonna be checking brass/primers for any signs of pressure and dial back as much as I can

[@sterlingcr7860]

New to antique firearms, and came across this video and enjoyed it. Thanks Alex. Fyi. I think you may be holding the cartridges in the wrong hand. It is much easier to find, grab, load them, and pull the trigger if you keep them between the fingers of your left hand. I have a No. 1 50-70 New York State Militia rifle and love it as well as an old No. 4 in 22LR and love them both.

[@codyallen2838]

Great breakdown of this rifle, well done video.

[@drewhoffman1461]

What a beautiful rifle. I’m in love 😍

[@MrSmith336]

The Rolling Block is special to me because my Grandfather gave me one when I was a little boy. Thanks for the review Alex.

[@ethanscrima4439]

This gun has so many good sounds

[@cavedave1922]

I found a Remington model 4 in 22 short, long, long rifle at the dump, it cleaned up pretty good but won't eject the shell. Not the heavy hitter you're shooting. Still fun to shoot!

[@enterthehunter7336]

one of my favorite guns is my Savage 775a which is a shotgun in 16 gauge it is a very interesting design with a super choke and everything the barrel moves backwards as part of the mechanism and it was made in 1954 back when Savage still made guns in the US I only paid a hundred and fifty bucks for it although I had to reblue it because that thing was covered in Rust

[@DemonZangetsu23]

Rolling block and Martini Henry are my favorite 2 single shot rifles

[@geromegalan5388]

Do the Martini Rifle and Springfield Trapdoor, there's something satisfying shooting single shot rifles and Id like to see you do those two as well..

[@markfung5654]

Thank you for your most excellent video. I'm convinced. I'm getting a rolling block

[@doctorxring]

Excellent video on the rolling block. As you say, a very clever piece of engineering. I just had to have one after watching this video !

[@andros800]

many years ago I saw a Remington rolling block in .32 rimfire for a very reasonable amount. wasn't interested or even aware of it at the time. just an interesting memory. I remember the action being so smooth and simple to figure out I figured it out when I picked it up. they're handy and not at all unwieldy. it felt pretty light to me. but I never got to shoot it, so that was just my impression handling it.

[@modulo3664]

That ejection is so gentle

[@dudeimcereol3085]

Ahh one of my favorite rifles in Red Dead Redemption

[@Bayan1905]

I had a couple of Rolling blocks, but never in 7mm Mauser and I keep forgetting how affordable these old guns are. No one really seems to appreciate how fun they are.

[@oskarthenarrator]

I have an original from 1887 that was my grandfather's, now I actually know what it is. One of my all-time favorite firearms, period.

[@MrAndrewmcgibbon]

Mike Beliveau (duelist1954), holds the cartridges between the fingers of his supporting hand

[@psikogeek]

You beat me to it. For the less practiced, the supporting hand is a better ammo stash: 1) It is idle so there is less need of dexterity. (wisdom still helps) 2) It is conveniently close.

[@bloodreaper8822]

I want one because they look fun the use

[@jilliansala139]

The noise level isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. As I am new to using scopes I was worried because other reviews made it seem as though the scope was crap but I zeroed it in with 5 shots (pictured). Sent another on target (slightly off center was my error). For an entry level break barrel I am very excited to have it because it's worth the money. I look forward to using it for pest control.

[@brandonpack4649]

I appreciate that he continues to shoot, even after his target falls to the ground.

[@mingus445_gaming]

2:47 *wind intensifies*

[@chapiit08]

The 7mm Remington Rolling Block was the second most used rifle during the Mexican revolution.

[@majorlee76251]

Si

[@ScottRuggels]

I'd love to find one of these with a bayonet. It seems like the best cartridge carry for this would be wither cartridge pouches, or a "Prairie belt". Did they make these ever in .45-70?

[@tfbtv]

+Scott Ruggels Yes

[@ScottRuggels]

TFB TV now i have to look. Thank you

[@이동연-c6d]

This gun used by empire of korea.

[@Gunners_Mate_Guns]

They definitely made these in .45-70. If you get one and reload for it, avoid the stiffer loads categorized as only for the Marlin 1895 and Winchester 1886 (bad) or the loads intended only for the Winchester 1885, Ruger No. 1, or the Siamese Mauser, the latter of which would be much worse still. Stick to standard pressure loads only, and see that you get it checked out by a qualified gunsmith before shooting it even then. Safe shooting, bro.

[@ScottRuggels]

you for the heads up. I do reload on occasion, and I do have a Model 1884 Trapdoor Springfield, so I know to avoid the hot loads. Now I just have to fid a good rolling Block with a bayonette, now.

[@geob0324]

Two words. Lever action.

[@albertlincoln1729]

I have my great grand dads in 32 rim. Its one of my most prized possessions.

[@Isaac21121]

What ammunition were you running? Hand-loads?

[@darwindaserste]

THE REMINGTON ROLLING BLOCK, MODEL 1902 CAL 7 X 57 MAUSER= THE BEST RIFLE OF ALL TIMES. SIMPLICITY; PRECISION; POWERFULL, THE STRONGEST RIFLE EVER; EASY TO HANDLE FOR ALL; MORE OF 100 YEARS OLD, AND ACTUALLY ON DUTY. MY CHOICE HOW "COLD BARREL RIFLE", ONE SHOT, ONE GAME PIECE., AND 154 GRAINS POINTED SOFT POINT. BUT WITH A BARREL FOR 6,5 X 55 SWEDISH CARTIDGE, WILL BE A SHOOTER'S DREAM.

[@Bayan1905]

I'm thinking of buying my son one of these when he's old enough to use for deer hunting, 7x57 won't beat him up too much, and he's been shooting a #4 rolling block in .22 LR for a while now so he won't be having to learn anything new.

[@gregb6469]

I like how the ejector spits the empty casings all the way out.

[@karlkuttup]

as anyone seen the spanish and afgan remington rolling block copies the long colt 38 a chopped down straight wall ak round and a chopped down 303 british ,case a 7 mm one and a 8mm one ,,ive fired the straight chopped 303 was a inch and a half shorter case ,no marks on the gun but heavy barrel and a shorter version that fired 38 long colt ,2 rough looking guns but but fired very well

[@sharonrigs7999]

The cartridge between the fingers thing works well with a Martini-Henry since all you have to do is operate a lever

[@bofoenss8393]

have you ever thought of doing both review and run and gun of the Martini Henry and the Sharps? Just so we are able to compare to the Remington, since you repeatecly state this is the cream of single shot. Just a suggestion, great vid, though.

[@Macovic]

By far the best looking rifle

[@Tater79bj]

God I love this rifle, and love 7mm Mauser even more.

[@331Grabber]

Yeah, yeah, yeah yadda frigging great. Now I want one.

[@Sladey93]

I personally think the Martini-Henry is a better design. To load the Rolling Block requires 3 actions where as the Martini only requires 2.

[@colers2366]

But the MH did have the glaring issue of being notorious to hangfire. Furthermore, it was designed for blackpowder cardridges instead of smokeless. Additionally, much like any lever based mechanism, the MH is obstructive to load while prone.

[@Sladey93]

Those are some good points actually. However, I am British and love the MH so I am afraid I still have to say it is better :D

[@glenphenix2188]

However, some were rechambered (maybe redesigned?) for 303 british. I don't know if they were ever smokeless though.

[@oteliogarcia1562]

In that case, the Werder M.1869 Lightning rifle is better than the Martini-Henry. While the M-H did not require manual cocking, actual speed still depends on the user. Rolling block users are pretty fast IMHO.

[@brianan7179]

BASlade93 Vote 1 for Martini-Henry.

[@hodor292]

That looks so fun to shoot

[@Sentenza1138]

What a beauty.

[@globofgreen]

Maybe my favorite gun ever

[@robscott7660]

im guatemalan and just found out this is the rifle on our flag

[@alejopunk4013]

Soy de Argentina y tengo un Remington Patria fabricado en 1874 y fue usado por las tropas argentinas

[@anderwmarcell9503]

The French used the Rolling Block in cal 8mm Lebel in WW 1 ,issued to artillery personnel. Some actually saw combat. The French kept them in service into the 1930s modified to fire the Balls N round.

[@BurnTheNuance]

I prefer the Trap door when it comes to single shots, but, to each their own.

[@rkabanlit]

Nice rifle, and nice video about it.

[@ryanramos5438]

it's like a mini artillery gun

[@edl617]

I love to get one in 30-06

[@edl617]

Me too

[@PerfectTangent]

Recoil looks smooth.

[@RabbitusMaximus]

Try holding the cartridges in the left hand and pulling them from between your fingers with the right. It works faster [for me].

[@duaneho555]

Great weapon.

[@jeffyoung60]

The Remington Rolling Block was a fabulous, state-of-the-art, modern single-shot rifle for its time. Despite the existence of repeating rifles like the Spencer and the dang Yankee rifle that's loaded on Sunday and fires all week, modern single shots like the Remington in the hands of a trained soldier could fire 8 to 12 shots per minute, depending upon how much aiming time. It was either General Sherman or General Sheridan that tried to have the U.S. Army adopt the Remington Rolling Block. However U.S. Ordnance firearms engineer Allin invented the Allin Trapdoor breech loader taking the already existing Civil War Springfield .58 caliber muzzle loaders. The Allin Trapdoor conversions were far cheaper than purchasing new Remington Rolling Block rifles. And since Allin was a U.S. Government employee, he was not entitled to royalties. The Remington Rolling Block may have been superior, but the Allin Trapdoor conversion worked well enough and proved reliable. The immortal question still remains. Which was better? The American Remington Rolling Block or the British Martini Henry? The contest remains open.

[@ivanrivera3293]

I would take this along with an H&R single shot shotgun in the zombie apocalypse. Both very simple and reliable guns.

[@Magnussen92]

That looked very fun to shoot! :)

[@darkraven5593]

didn't you already do a video on this

[@Lion-jm2oj]

yea a run and gun

[@Helperbot-2000]

Found one of these in the attic, likely originally used in the norwegian millitary, its missing all the firing mechanism except the trigger and is quite rusty however

[@asterixky]

Another enlightening review.

[@tfbtv]

+Spinnaker These kind of videos really are not reviews. Unless I have the word review in the title then they are simply quick overviews.

[@asterixky]

You are absolutely correct Alexis, I will try to pay more attention in the future :)

[@drippydrip4663]

I might get one of those

[@GenScinmore]

hows the trigger on this? it looks fairly light :D

[@Holammer]

Saw this rifle mentioned in the wiki article on the Korean Expedition, where the rifle was a contributing factor to US success. It's not hard to imagine how that thing must've overpowered an enemy equipped with matchlock muskets.

[@tristanmyers897]

All major militaries would've been using caplock by the 1860's but apples and oranges

[@arandomperson5434]

@@tristanmyers897Tbf the Qing Chinese and Koreans were still using Matchlocks on a large scales. Until the Germans came and gave them some modern rifles but apparently the Qing weren’t using them well during the sino Japanese war as the Qing Bannermen were shooting them with the rifled zero’d to maximum distance as they believed it gave them more powerful shots

[@slome815]

@@arandomperson5434 That max distance power setting is something I've heard about the Zulu and Martini-Henri's. I wonder if there is any actual proof for any of it. It always seemed more like a myth to me.

[@roboticbulldog]

Damn...... That flinch at 4:14 though.....

[@jzlagrosa454]

This Was also used by The katipunan revolutionary army in The Philippines

[@billburns9260]

Great Video Thanks!.

[@itsmrmo809]

Idk why, but i immediately think of a very simple single shot bolt action with a much smaller bolt when i look at this

[@r_evolution5792]

FUEEEE....GO!

[@evanjohnson1299]

Whats the best breech loading action? Rolling block, falling block, martini, or trapdoor? Any other contenders?

[@RagothGrituk]

That’s make a great first gun for kids starting at an older age

[@ajwoodworking6408]

Proxibid sold a Remington No. 4, Rolling Block, 22 long rifle today (5/1/2020) for $220. I was looking for a larger caliber so I skipped it.

[@texassabre7214]

Nice watch

[@rxarune]

My father recently passed away and among his collection is a rifle very much like this one. I do have a long bayonet but am unsure if it goes with this rifle. As I am only now getting his belongings under my control, I will need time to check his gun collection over, clean and fire them to ensure they work. He didn't leave me with very much information about this and his other guns one of which is a Japanese Arisaka. Both of these I am willing to sell but must first do my research. I am only now starting to reach out to gun collectors about what I have to offer.

[@nicholasdecastro9371]

Rex Mauldin I am sorry to hear about your father's passing. It is a cherished gift to inherit a gun collection though as it speaks to his love of firearms and what interests he had throughout his life. If you find yourself looking for buyers, I would be happy to look at what you are offering. Be well.

[@rxarune]

Do stay in touch. I have taken quick photos to help me look through gun digests to see what it is I have. I know the Arisaka had a head space problem and as he put it, a dangerous gun to shoot as a result. I have been with him when he fired it and it did not blow apart but the shell was deformed. His other guns all worked fine as I recall. he does have a Model 81 (going by memory here), a pump action rifle that he enjoyed shooting.

[@nicholasdecastro9371]

Rex Mauldin my email is [e-mail]. If you would like, I may be able to help identify the various firearms. It would be an easier method of communication that KZbin posts. Either way, nice to hear from you.

[@firefighterforlife6673]

Nice Gold and Silver watch

[@pawpawstew]

A question if I may. I acquired one of these from a co-worker who was selling her late husband's guns. Based on the cartouches and serial number, it appears I have one that used in Central/South America. However it has something odd about it. Though it's a 7mm, the chamber breech is threaded. The only thing I can think of was this one was madified to use a sub-caliber round for training or blanks for ceremonial purposes. I wonder if anyone can shed some light on this.

[@joshbobst1629]

What makes the cartridge spring out when you pull back the rolling block?

[@stevenorton1]

Look at one of the shots where he's loading a round. The extractor is at the 7 o'clock position of the bore. It's activated by the breach rolling back.

[@TheSeanoops]

The extractor.

[@Lieutenant_Dude]

What caliber is this example? I've heard that there are quite a few.

[@David-ed5is]

Really cool

[@thegoldencaulk2742]

I've been wanting a Swedish Rolling Block for quite some time. Mostly because it's covered in numbers, and I like that sort of thing. Same reason why I like Kongsberg Colts. You ever gonna do a video on a Kongsberg Colt? I'd like to see that.

[@karolinska1601]

Isn't the Kongsberg Colt Norwrigian?

[@thegoldencaulk2742]

Charles XII of Sweden Yes it is.

[@MarkusForL4jf]

I've inherited a Swedish Rolling Block, never shot it though.