The return of Chthon (Venom War)

[@manfromwuhan5876]

This is the most powerful God who is second to only the most powerful God who is the most powerful after the most Powerful God was released by the most powerful God in the multiverse but then he was created by another most powerful God from the previous multiverse and so on and so forth

[@yellowflash029]

Short story short all who evolved all became gods of some sort

[@TheVamxie]

And so it goes 😅

[@timothymiata1384]

Thanks, clears it up much

[@PhantomBulletGames]

Right, running out of ideas 101

[@clnblk7773]

I like to think of the power drift as being like the Chaos God's in Warhammer, their power waxes and wanes, certain conflicts may empower one over the others but it's always a state of flux. In addition to the different realms they rule, each one is master of a different aspect. Some are focused on one single thing, others have powers that are all encompassing.

[@kcopara1]

Bravo 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾to the guy who edited the video. The slides weren't moving too fast. You can actually see full panels and read them without pausing the video repeatedly. Robs words synced up with the words spoken by the characters

[@MySUHIT]

Yeah, I hate when the editor fast forwards it before the narrator even finishes talking about it

[@tonyvi9994]

Buy the books

[@patrickimperial579]

Go read the comic instead bozo. You're meant to listen to rob in his videos. The panel slide shows are just extra visual aid.

[@fcm3d]

All the Dylan tie ins feel like all my favorite 90's movies and I'm totally here for it.

[@hybridcombatuk]

Film list please😊

[@dallaswanta5456]

@@hybridcombatuk terminator and alien vibes for sure

[@freydawg56]

Please be whatever version of Loki that hypes Rob up the most. I need that Loki. 15:29

[@TheWarmachine375]

Gods in Marvel are like dimes a dozen nowadays and it's like a Bargain Sale of who is the most powerful God of all time.

[@gregoriusrex1855]

Its a power thing every comic

[@purest_light5681]

I mean, not really. It's the One Above All. The rest is just fun storylines 🤷 you really don't need to engage if youre bored of the gods in comics this much.

[@KiraiChakra]

Listen kid this is comic the strongest is TOAA Oblivion and TLT everone else are high tier gods with wavering abilities and varying powers it's all dependent on what domain/powers they have

[@gameovervirus2384]

⁠@@purest_light5681the One Above All is clearly separate from all the other Gods in Marvel. He’s obviously the most powerful. When they’re talking about the Marvel “Gods” they’re talking about things like the Celestials, Thor, Odin, Heracles, Galactus, Eternity, Knull, etc. The One Above All is obviously different. And the issue isn’t that they’re bored of Gods but that they’re sick of each new God in Marvel being “the most powerful” God yet. Which just gets boring after the last 600 times they did it.

[@kurtlindner]

You're correct, so many trolls and bots on your comment. Everything is a superlative these days because the writers aren't creative, can't exercise their creativity, or editor(s) have a bad vision for the canon. We need a multiverse simply because every f*ing week a/ the universe is in danger and gets trashed, destroyed, changed, etc., etc.

[@GoldJoshBallVB]

Theory: The techno-organic virus of Cable becomes empowered by symbiotic capabilities in the future, allowing complete integration with technology. Leading to technology symbiotic hybrids

[@spottedslash4256]

Dylan is giving off some Cable vibes, doesn't he?

[@kaiseale10]

I think this is honestly one of the coolest comics to have come out. For one, I’ve always been a fan of DC comics when it comes to how they portray their most powerful gods and deities in their universe, comparatively to Marvel because I always feel like in DC. There’s a bit more of a nuance and storyline with how they’re depicted….and secondly, I really like the idea of Dylan being shown a dystopian matrix like society. I also would argue that the Symbiotic machine creatures honestly feel way more reminiscent of the matrix than sky-net though. But I can see it being relatively comparable to either universes

[@oteliadavid7507]

How you tell stories is amazing!

[@BigCizzle120]

I agree! So much verve in his voice.

[@FreddieLane9001]

Son son son! Lemme tell u somethin! Lol

[@yeahTHATLarry]

I've been enjoying binging this channel. It got me buying comics again.

[@OrtegaOY]

The Symbiotes look as if they've merged with the Phalanx

[@Dannihilate]

This was my first thought as well.

[@kurtlindner]

4:33 "...Symbiote hybrid things..." -Man, those are sentinels from The Matrix.

[@Dannihilate]

Right? It's not like the Terminator, it's literally The Matrix.

[@CAiNiAC]

​@@Dannihilate visually yes, but the matrix didn't exterminate humanity, they just farmed them. Big distinction.

[@cptkrank6802]

Chthon isn't even close to the most powerful of gods, or even demons. He's one of the Elder Gods of Earth, and he consumed a bunch of other Elder Gods when he became a demon, but that's basically small change compared to beings like the Celestials, Galactus or the Living Tribunal, who could tell off multiple pantheons of Earthly gods at once. Chthon and Set (another Elder God trapped in an adjacent dimension) were chased off by Atum (Ra in the Egyptian Pantheon), who was created by the Demiurge (the sentience of Earth's Biosphere) and Gaea (Mother Earth). Now, in his own dimension, Chthon is basically all powerful, because he would have built/changed the dimension to work that way, and like most powerful beings he has trouble crossing big dimensional boundaries casually (presumably Chthon and Set fled to such dimensions so that Atum couldn't follow and devour them), but that doesn't make Chthon scale that high, in the grand scheme of things. The problem lies in that the godly pantheons have sworn to the Celestials to not interfere with humanity, so they're not getting the power boost from worship that they would need to fight off Chthon or Set if they came back. Though Atum/Ra could probably still devour them, the fight would devastate the Earth. When Atum fought Set after Gaea wanted mammals to replace reptiles (who worshipped Set), it took a million years for Atum to force Set to retreat. That's not the kind of thing humanity could survive. But that's still like a 3rd tier power scale conflict, where the One Above All is 1st tier and all the conceptuals (Living Tribunal, Eternity, Death, Celestials, etc) occupying 2nd tier.

[@ChaosOrgin5568]

nah u havent been keeping up with anything chaos magic related lmao they been revealed chaos is like the power above all the gods

[@cptkrank6802]

@@ChaosOrgin5568 And if you want to follow that lore, Chthon's reign on Earth was ended by Earth's mages creating the lie that chaos magic didn't exist. Doesn't seem so supremely powerful when a magical lie can shut him down. And the concept of Chaos has been around since early Marvel comics (Master Order and Lord Chaos). You'd think the literal personification of Chaos would far outrank a terrestrial god wielding chaos magic, and Lord Chaos has many peers in terms of power aside from Master Order. It would make sense to say that Chthon is the most powerful chaos magic user in Marvel comics. That doesn't automatically put him at the top of the food chain. He's not chaos itself, he's not even the personification of chaos (Lord Chaos). He's an Elder God and incredibly powerful mage, but even that doesn't make him peerless, those qualities are a dime a dozen in Marvel. All that is narratively necessary is that Chthon making a return to Earth would result in massive catastrophe. You don't have to scale Chthon above everything to give him narrative weight. You could say "Yeah, Odin and Atum could double team his ass and drive him back, but 99.9% of humanity will die in the process." and you've got more than enough narrative tension for the story. In fact, the more you use Chthon, the less narrative tension he generates. He did not need to be used in this story, any one of dozens of demon lords could have been used. Over use him and he becomes a punching bag. Set or Chthon showing up should be apocalyptic events requiring half the Marvel roster to show up to drive them back, not as a side story for a Venom arc. It could be a case that Marvel had to trot out Chthon for trademark purposes and did so in the laziest possible way, but it's a bit of a waste.

[@matthewschwartz6607]

@@cptkrank6802- Not sure why they would need him for trade make purposes. Is he set to appear in a show or movie ?

[@matthewschwartz6607]

@@cptkrank6802- Whatever happened to Set, anyway? Is he still alive?

[@cptkrank6802]

@@matthewschwartz6607 Probably the opposite. In order to hold a trademark, you actually have to use it, this goes for comic book characters as well. If they don't publish stories with Chthon in them, their trademark will lapse after a while (IIRC 17 years). This is why many characters get rebooted every couple decades or make cameos in comics they normally wouldn't. The most obvious example of this is Captain Marvel, a trademark held jointly by both Marvel and DC (legal stuff happened). After Marvel had Mar-Vell die off, they eventually had to make a new Captain Marvel, and once she changed her superhero name to Photon, they made Carol Danvers the new Captain Marvel. DC's Captain Marvel was popular enough that they could just keep him around in regular rosters or his own comic book.

[@UnwantedGhost1-anz25]

I bet Carnage is immensely jealous of Future Dylan right now.

[@madmaverickentertainment]

Dammit, I am there for Old Man Venom. Between this and Absolute batman you got me hooked. You are a gentleman and scholar.

[@johnwright-b2l]

This was a good way to bring Cathone back.

[@vincegray7206]

Well, glad to see Chthon back to his original appearance, and not that skinny Vampire look over in the scarlet Witch current comics.

[@BriannaMoore-h7l]

Wow, this was epic! Keep it up!

[@jg5004]

From Knull to Chthon, dude can’t catch a break.

[@tonyslicer7399]

Be cool see them in battle

[@ghosttaki8547]

I love how Codez Dylan looks like Winter Soldier but blonde and with a symbiote.

[@SylvesterAshcroft88]

This seems like a nice story for the role of dylan brock in the larger venom universe, similar to the time jump when franklin richards makes galactus his herald, at the end of the universe, this seems adverse to a lot of recent story telling which seems to mostly focus on galactic, or universal level threats.

[@dylanlivingstone2242]

Scorn has been real quiet since this dropped

[@Dragon_Armada]

Much love ♥

[@Gaberille]

Him just chilling after escaping Wanda’s soul is crazy 😭😭😭

[@supunmadushanka94]

He's enjoying He's free time before she get him again 😊

[@samuelaiyok-dd2no]

Rob, could you do a video of Critic from the marvel comics. He was like a different race of Watchers.

[@Malkiore1]

I swear I saw the thumbnail and thought 'Is Rob doing a video on Mumm-Ra from Thundercats??" lmao

[@Tahu33446]

ANCIENT SPIRITS OF EVIIILLL

[@andrewfornes5320]

lol I thought it was Palpatine.

[@UnwantedGhost1-anz25]

I wonder if Mephisto met Chthon in person before?

[@scratchnoff7602]

Dough phalanx vs venom in black

[@luisa.acevedo3326]

They are in the Devil's advocacy together in Journey Into Mystery 627. Not a major interaction, but they are all talking about the Serpent god Cul.

[@caseyczarnomski8054]

Loki would love to know what's happening with Dylan! He wouldn't fix anything, he'd have so much fun just watching.

[@buildaggedonarmanaziie4462]

I really want to see a Chthon vs Dormammu fight in Marvel.

[@shanereid477]

Can we get some type Dylan "Venom" Brock and Nathan "Cable" Summers crossover or team up

[@williambowers4903]

I thought the thumbnail was Mum-Ra for a second. Thunder...

[@rizzlervontrappe1515]

That vintage comic art is the best

[@IronCityVox]

On god I thought that was Mum Ra and everyone was getting dribbled.

[@ismaelirizarry4289]

Bruh cmonnnn the cliff hanger I wasn’t even looking at the time left in the video when Loki appeared!

[@tommyjarvisstepgrandfather4581]

Ok just because I didn’t know where that tree was doesn’t mean I don’t watch ALL of your videos Rob, it doesn’t make me automatically “unfamiliar with comics” …. Rude

[@jasonprime3574]

Is it just me or does Dillon look like a mix between Cable and Thunderbolt Ross?!?

[@Kilawpilath]

I wonder if the reason Symbiotes are able to bond with Machines has something to do with an Earlier story where Carnage was separated from Cletus, and was able to talk with Machines. Or something of that nature.

[@EgyptCraft-ky7bj]

Also during the King in Black, Iron Man had one bonded to him as well. Definitely some room to explore that concept

[@luisa.acevedo3326]

The Scorn symbiote was a Tech-symbiote hybrid.

[@richmyster84]

@@EgyptCraft-ky7bj There was also the Endo-Sym Armor during the AXIS even.

[@AbadonXXX]

>> welcome…to the cthon zone (I will see myself out)

[@Gaberille]

8:49 | I would be scared to bro didn’t even know chaos magic existed and now there’s primordial chaos magic 😭😭

[@chaneladriana6829]

This was a perfect opportunity to tell the fans on who would win cthoon vs knull but they didn’t do it

[@Hoopergames]

10:14 Made him forget about prime Uzi smh

[@daddydreet245]

What are the artifacts of the other elder demons? Siterrak has his crimson jems.

[@ze_ink3548]

I am so hyped for this

[@stefanjamel5735]

Love this story

[@EgyptCraft-ky7bj]

Venom and Cthon in the same comic??? Take my money!!!!!

[@xaviersmith957]

This story is phenomenal 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@JKLauderdale]

7:40 Do gods exist if there's no one to worship them? He's willing to let humanity die. But then who remains to worship him? How does he retain his power/status if there's no one to believe in him?

[@trehubb6144]

They also brought back Gorr in the current Phoenix Comics👌🏿

[@Shadowswolf9666]

There is no God in Marvel, except DOOM. Praise to Latveria, Praise to our glorious leader, Praise be the Latvarian People.

[@mikomaroquin8820]

Latvarian propaganda

[@LD_Paradox]

😂😂😂😂 STRAIGHT FAX

[@themarvelousblackcanary8362]

What an awesooooooome story

[@daveluna7931]

That was amazing

[@MrWolfchamp-xi3cu]

Isn't Chthon a child of the Demiurge?? Demiurge was the equivalent to Eternity but on a planetary scale rather than Universal The Embodiment of Earth's consciousness that divided himself into the Elder Gods out of loneliness. These beings are probably Solar or Galactic level at best i would think At least at base without any power ups

[@luisa.acevedo3326]

Yeah, sibling of Gaea, Set, Tiwaz and the other Elder Gods.

[@lilsavage337]

Elder God's are stronger than normal God's

[@justinmcdonald2072]

Your power scale is off by a lot. Possibly due to the elders being gone for so long the explanations on what they are capable of is out dated but not as limited by the scale you are approaching them with.

[@MrWolfchamp-xi3cu]

@@justinmcdonald2072 what level would you put them on?

[@ordinary_deepfake]

Him telling the story was more epic then the story

[@Jezee213]

Imagine the Phalanx merging with the symbiotes!

[@caleb_dreams]

C'thon returns in this one and it is DOPE!!! 🎉 Buckle up!

[@drsquirrel7276]

Uhhh symbiote merging with tech. Sounds like the eximus symbiote suit tony made evolved

[@mnsega]

6:10 Did Marvel forget about the multiverse? Killing Eddie wouldn't change your future. It would just create another timeline.

[@Viper6332]

This side story is way better than the main venom run as that hardly makes any sense at the best off times

[@visionary4787]

Finally! This venom tie in, Chthon!!! The dynamic between Dylan Brock and this ancient being, whose power transcends even demons, is intense. Chthon’s manipulation of reality and time plays right into the chaos magic narrative, which really keeps readers guessing what's real or imagined. The tension between Dylan’s willingness to sacrifice everything and Chthon's merciless demands feels epic. The layers of moral and existential dilemmas here-especially Dylan losing his entire identity-make this storyline way more thought-provoking than the main Venom event. It’s storytelling at its finest!

[@godscologne389]

Rob you is my mf dawg💪🏾 you got me into the Marvel universe

[@francescomarasco590]

Last time I Saw C’thon was in that old Carnage run, he looked very different, more like Chtulu

[@XimGama]

Ohhhh I would love to see God of Stories Loki putting Chthon in his place 👌

[@ismingo4264]

wasnt expecting that guy in the end at all, does the tree represent ygdrasil then?

[@Avamys_U]

That symbiote-machine hybrid kinda looks like Ben 10's Upgrade

[@testadmin]

At the very end, you mention that Loki could undo what Cthon has done; but wouldn't any Symbiote be able to implant those memories into Dylan while bonded? Why wouldn't Venom be able to use his Symbiote, at the very least while attached to him, to implant those memories for the duration they're bonded?

[@tamedthethreebears]

Fun Fact : This video is the exact length of time it took me to wash dishes this morning 😂

[@strifenineteen]

The Loki at the end looked more like original Loki then The god of stories

[@HazzardousEco]

Those machine Symbiotes most certainly look like the Squids in The Matrix

[@notsosecretsquirrel9389]

Could you imagine cthon getting trapped in mephistos realm?

[@sawtooth808]

The question I have is, is this the Loki from Ales Kot’s and Marco Rudy’s Winter Soldier series ? (same look, and Old Man Venom found Loki in the same weird setting) And weird is the key word for Ales Kot’s iteration of The Winter Soldier (but it was weird in a good way)

[@vergilrules1616]

Beyond omega level: The Divine Creator

[@JalenMarshall-s1w]

Rob why dont you have a play list for the venom war

[@andrewfornes5320]

ngl, I thought at first it was Emperor Palpatine in the thumbnail.

[@manny9166]

Anyone else think it was Hob Goblin in the thumbnail, or am i just too high ?

[@MoDeGr8]

Gives me matrix vibes especially with the symbiote robot hybrids

[@Flvtchrr]

I thought cthon was just a video game character from midnight suns💀

[@davidtheprankster6813]

Technology imbued by symbiotes to make them more powerful. Sounds like something Ultron would do to further upgrade and make himself more powerful.

[@cesarvictorino4301]

In General, what if Eddie Brock became or was always a street gangster?

[@benmaguire1729]

Dude, imagine if they are gonna play on this and get the three Tom's together as like the core of the multiverse avengers for secret wars and doomsday?!?!

[@Roast_wallah]

In your description you accidentally typed venom (2021) instead of venom(2024) i belive

[@williamshackelford6095]

Techno symbiote is from Carnage/Iron Man hybrid from King in Black

[@PerfectPencil]

I really hope they make an omnibus and companion for this event.

[@partofthetribe3277]

They were correct using gold and black for speech bubble

[@smvml89]

Old Dylan looks dope

[@SkeptikToast]

Let's go!

[@Panda1A.]

Yoooo epic

[@DoomHulk]

“Old Man” Venom v Cable? kinda would be cool

[@Trocify225]

It’s like a most powerful god bargain sale here - vegeta voice

[@wolfwraith8172]

Is the nuclear fallout/below all link a reference to The Hulk? Is Cthon perhaps a manifestation/part of the One Below All?

[@Supah_Sayin_Rick]

Personally, if I had to pit Chthon against Mephisto, I'd put my money on Chthon honestly

[@luisa.acevedo3326]

Good assessment, Earth demons came to be from the leftover energies from the slain elder gods. Chthon is still an elder god.

[@АндрейНапарниг]

@@luisa.acevedo3326мифисто хоть и демон что связной с землей но не было сказано что он создания демируга

[@richmyster84]

Didn't Tony Stark already merge symbiotes with his Ironman tech during Knull's invasion? Come to think of it, Tony Stark also made the Endo-Sym Armor during the AXIS event that's a combination of symbiote biology and Stark tech. Me thinks Tony done F'd up again!

[@UnwantedGhost1-anz25]

Imagine if the Elder God Chthon met Knull the King in Black? I wonder if the Symbiote God is secretly an Elder God as well?

[@luisa.acevedo3326]

He predates the Elder Gods.

[@FormlessJKD17]

Knull is the beginning of nothingness. So, no.

[@Vincesjones]

@@luisa.acevedo3326 nah

[@ytsi7505]

Is this the same loki that was banished by thor in immortal thor in the present or is this in old man dylan future?

[@ytsi7505]

Isn't cthon a kid that is in strange academy now and the living daerkhold rob?

[@themadcroad5806]

Chaos magic? Stuff is like Eggs n cholesterol. Good for you, bad for you. It exists, now it doesn’t. Hey it’s back!

[@duellegend71]

If old Dylan killed Eddie wouldn’t that create a paradox tho? Because he would never have been born to go back in time to start with to kill Eddie and stop the events from happening?

[@SLIME_BALL_TV]

How do I get part two of this story man

[@FullCaber]

oooo classic loki loook LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@ashtonfoxx]

I'm confused when this story happens. I thought Strange gave his powers to Doom to stop the vampires.

[@moesqrd]

Next Venom issue needs to be titled Old Man #39

[@MbisonBalrog]

Chton looks like the Chad God