The Return of the Original Android Human Torch and Toro

[@NexusProductions-rz1sv]

"The flaming duo" Know what... good for them.

[@contractualnews9488]

The fantastic flamer

[@paulragis9996]

The Original Torch is a great character with the potential for some great storytelling! I wish he would appear more often. The Marvel Cinematic Universe is expanding, perhaps they will include some Golden Age heroes (beyond Cap and Namur).

[@Bucky749]

I kind wish marvel would do some stand along movies using golden age heroes .

[@MerryMarvelite]

It'd be great to see more of the Invaders in live action!

[@jalenikezeue4114]

@@MerryMarvelite Maybe Will see Jim on Wandavision Or he could Appear In Doctor strange's Multiverse Of Madness

[@notmyname5591]

No, mcu has turned every marvel character into a comedy.

[@ed--209]

yass

[@michaelhughes8057]

Later, in Submariner Comic #14 the Mad Thinker then drugged and hypnotized Toro into thinking he was the Original Human Torch, and usrd him to attack The Submariner. Near the end of that issue, when he broke free from the Thinker's hold on him, he also seemingly died when he flew into the jet exhaust section of The Thinker"s escape plane. Both The Andro 0:02 id Human Torch and Toro both turned up alive years later. The Android Torch in West Coast Avengers, and Toro in another future Marvel Comic. Great! Also, I meant to type the first Modern Silver Age appearance of the Original Golden Age Human Torch was in FF Annual #4, not FF Annual #6!

[@vincentfranklin17]

The Whizzer... Gotta love a character who gets super speed from mongoose blood! Lol!

[@Scyllax]

Aka Speed Demon, a member of The Marvel Crime Syndicate (Evil Justice League), Hyperion (Superman), Nighthawk (Batman), Dr. Spectrum (Green Lantern), Power Princess (Wonder Woman),’and Speed Demon (Flash) with the same number of analogous members as The DC Crime Syndicate (The Five Fearsome Felons) in 1965.

[@vasglorious]

Don't forget to mention Frankie Raye (Nova), she has a bit of a connection to Android Human Torch.

[@shawndardbarbarbarian5061]

What is the connection to Frankie Ray??

[@vasglorious]

@@shawndardbarbarbarian5061 Her mother, Lanette Raye, married Phineas Horton under the aliases Thomas Raye.

[@Scyllax]

@@vasglorious She spilled Phineas Horton’s Human Torch Plasma Chemicals onto herself, and they turned her into another human torch.

[@DCMarvelMultiverse]

I had the 50th issue of Avengers West Coast. Treasure it. Love that whole run from 45 onwards.

[@TF.NZILLA]

This is my opinion but I always found interest in the orginal human torch than Johnny Storm I'm not saying Johnny Storm is a bad character is just the human torch as android is more interesting and is marvel first super hero (and namor) also The torch has a cool sidekick called Toro that is pretty stellar

[@leaderstragg]

Just because he's an OLDIE, doesn't mean he's not still a GOODY!

[@otakurocklee]

It was a big blunder to make Johnny Storm a flame character also called the Human Torch. It destroyed any chances of bringing the original character back to popularity. The Submariner, Captain America and the original Human Torch were the big 3 of Timely comics during the golden age of comics. Submariner and CA were brought back to prominence in the Silver Age. But because of Johnny Storm, the original Human Torch would be remain in obscurity. He was brought back, but it wasn't the same as what happened with CA and Submariner.

[@Lazrael32]

@@otakurocklee my understanding was that Stan DID want to bring back the golden age characters but the editors at the time didn't. So he ended up reimagining some of them. The Vision is even reimagined from the golden age one.

[@HepCatJack]

Marvel couldn't even use Johnny Storm in the FF animated series of 1979 because they were worried of the liability of kids setting themselves on fire to be like Johnny Storm. If the human Torch had been left an Android and Toro a mutant it might have avoided this problem. He was substituted for Herbie the Robot.

[@bruceallen6492]

The Torch and Toro were part of "All Winners Squad". The Invaders was a make believe comic book created later in the Bronze Marvel universe. Captain America and Buckley survived World War II and were in 1950's comic books for a short time.

[@evanlanctot323]

I'd like to see a chronology of the Invaders/All-Winners Squad.

[@jalenikezeue4114]

Do think we will get a cameo of the Torch in Falcon and winter soldier I know it's been a year now since we saw him in captain America But could work Exploring his advantage and going into more depth on why Professor Phineas T Horton Created Him

[@MerryMarvelite]

I wouldn't hold my breath but I'd love to see him fully realized in the movie. I'd say it's unlikely since we're getting the Fantastic Four version at some point. Perhaps in the upcoming animated What If series? One can hope.

[@MrYouTube1Y92]

MerryMarvelite I love your videos. I was wondering if you ever plan to do a video on The Invader or All Winners team?

[@MerryMarvelite]

@@MrKZbin1Y92 I can certainly add that to the list.

[@jalenikezeue4114]

MrTubeYou92 dude you know what that is a great idea to be honest I really don't know much about the invaders

[@MrYouTube1Y92]

Jalen Ikezeue Me neither, but the fact that they are Marvel’s first superhero team and a precursor for the Avengers makes me want to learn more about them. They were also featured on Spider-Man the Animated Series.

[@SKaR64]

Great analysis and pics. The history of some superhero characters sure becomes convoluted over time.

[@evilchaosboy]

These are two of my favourite Marvel heroes!! \m/

[@june854]

Good art work! Espsecially on Toro very life like art work here!😍👏😇

[@mrXOwarrior]

Are you going to update this to include the Human Torch involvement in the Secret Avengers and the AI Uprising?

[@funzjag]

I'm really enjoying this channels' content. Subscribed!!!

[@Lazrael32]

Are you going to cover the Golden Age vision now? like your channel. thanks for the content!

[@timworley3058]

I would've had fonder memories of the Invaders comic from the 70's if Frank Robbins wasn't the artist. He was Godawful.

[@jmen4ever257]

He needed the right inker on his work. I found D Bruce Perry ok on his work.

[@tubucoco]

Actually, his comic art work represents the 70's for me when I was a child. I can instantly tell from seeing that comic art work that it's from the 1970's. Lol And so I am teleported back to my childhood, great times.

[@ERASEREPLACEPLACE]

Remember the fiery being called "Mr. Raymond" who appeared in Power Pack? That guy was allegedly Toro, right?

[@dupaul5429]

Great Video!!

[@Puka04]

So much good knowledge!!

[@Pille22]

I like the voice.

[@Hendo56]

I wish the MCU would make an original Human Torch movie. Maybe an ALL WINNERS SQUAD flick.

[@donstarkey9896]

Wow,this would of made an awesome movie

[@michaelhughes8057]

I remember how the Mad Thinker brought the original Golden Age Torch in Fantastic Four Annual # 6 to fight the Silver Age Human Torch, only to be killed by The Thinker's computer, Quasimodo. Later

[@kenney0313]

Do you have anything on StarHawk?

[@paulerekson4699]

love human torch and toro and other super heroes i give it 20.0000 star

[@geraldstephens6612]

Thanks for giving us the history of the Torch. Can you do the history of the Torch' creator?

[@wrlord]

7:49 - ok, this is where I quit. Nothing after 1985 counts. That goes for Wolverine's "origin", too.

[@williamdevelez4403]

I remember the Invaders & I have the books of the torches rebirth

[@vincentfranklin17]

Is Toro one of Marvel's first mutants? Never mind. Now I know he's an Inhuman.

[@vasglorious]

Wait that's it? They don't still use the original Human Torch?

[@omarsoliman6430]

I never could figure out what the final most up to date word on Toro was. Is he alive or dead?? He appears to be IN the new Invaders with Jim Hammond and Winter Soldier bucky. So is he still alive somewhere??

[@MerryMarvelite]

As far as I know he's been alive since Bucky revived him with the Cosmic Cube at the end of Avengers/Invader in 2009.

[@HeWhoWalksBehindTheRows9]

So who was the man who died crashing the ship of the thinker?

[@Wintermute01001]

4:25 "Toro?" "Who the hell is Toro?"

[@Scyllax]

The Original Human Torch was rebuilt into The Vision by Ultron-5.

[@jalenikezeue4114]

Can we please have a origin For Namor

[@mtrich8113]

His origin is almost the same is Aquaman's.

[@jalenikezeue4114]

@@mtrich8113 The Only Difference Is That Namor Is a War Hero

[@Jamesalec63]

Toro in the MCUs universe and with this Jim Hammond the first android called The Original Human Touch but a slight change look and different war set in the Vitamin war alongside the original Ant Man & Wasp with two scientists from a secret agency these to are called Doctors Parker and there's yet another called Peggy Carter and a teenager called Nicholas who is their lab assistant or so they both believe? Toro in this case is a inhuman but he is both mutant and inhuman his powers are slightly different to the comics he can fire flame from his eyes and breath in out space and control fire change it into an appropriate weapon like arrows and spears and erect forces fields of heat or fire and lower his body temperature, he can use solar waves and cold dose not affect him in fact he also can channel cold and heat to get steam he is inhuman so he may have other abilities other than the original or his main powers perhaps control of lava and weather as for that it will be something to discover or return to? MCU/HUMAN TOUCH android, and Toro?

[@mwamba85dt]

please do videos on moon knight bushman and dan ketch the second ghost rider

[@theunknownone5663]

you gotta love 1940s comic.

[@MrBargill]

Jim Hammon is boss ...they showed him in the first Iron man movie but never used him.....

[@ethan288]

I always found Vision and the original Human Torch origins to be confusing especially when they bought the Human Torch back and he was suppose to be Vision. Tell you the truth I like the theory that Ultron change the Human Torch to Vision the best. The rest just seems like writers just can't make up there minds.

[@HepCatJack]

I prefer that the original Human Torch be available to be used in stories. Having the Vision being recycled from a discarded prototype of Professor Goettler's Dynamic Man located by Ultron would be better. This leaves the Human Torch and Volton available for modern day stories.

[@marcocastoldi7403]

He is not an android but a sintezoid that's different

[@blkluv100]

Good grief, how many lives does the Human Torch have. He's like Jean Grey. Nobody stays dead in the Marvel Universe, and what is the end game to constantly retconning these characters. Is just to keep the readers confused?

[@Arnsteel634]

I am so confused

[@june854]

Witch Human torch!? The Android? The mutant partner? Or johnny storm! Ok tell us another day.

[@glitchedred3809]

Good for Toros wife

[@jaidenhaney9897]

Weird how the red skull and zemo are friends with hitler

[@johnnygyro2295]

Kang/Immortus really likes to complicate things doesn't he?

[@somanshudev]

I think FANTASTIC FOUR should have been introduced earlier in the MCU before INTRODUCING Avengers because that was the first superhero team created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby....

[@charlie.7722]

Disney didn’t have the rights over fantastic four

[@Lazrael32]

yeah, same with people complaining that wolverine should be in avengers. no rights at the time. They probably won't but I'd love to see them introduce the fantastic four as a period piece set in the 60's. They could time warp or whatever to the future later on. But I think It'd be great to get a silver age team in at that time.

[@Maskedmenace8267]

Sooo the human torch was vison yeah thats some bullshit

[@Scyllax]

No. Ultron colored his skin red as a joke, alluding to his heritage.

[@wrlord]

Hardly. This has been well known in the comics for 45 years. Sorry you're so ignorant.

[@Raelspark]

Never liked the artwork of Frank Robbins for The Invaders series. Horrible.