"The Right Side of History" is a Spook

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[@4.0.4]

I also think a lot about the Third Reich.

[@gxkdykxiyx1985]

As do i

[@Cypekeh]

wait that's illegal

[@TheSuperBoyProject]

@Austrian Painter we'll win this time

[@nac9880]

Fourth Reich is Brazil

[@goyworldorder]

don't be sad it's over, be glad it happened (although i wish i were alive to see it) WARNING: KZbin is required by German law to provide notice to users who are not in accordance of German government approved content; via the Network Enforcement Act reporting flow.

[@Cobalt_027]

>So I was thinking about the third Reich Idk why I laughed so hard. Thanks for the vid

[@iamtrash288]

Ngl, Luke does look like someone who would think about the third reiche

[@beastbum]

0:50 Never change Luke

[@DrewPicklesTheDark]

The term "The Right Side of History" has always annoyed me, not just for the reasons you give, but also because it is often employed as a shaming tactic, much like the people who tack on "common sense" before whatever their policy is. I can't blame them _too_ much since shame is the most effective way to manipulate people, but it's still wrong imo.

[@DarkAdonisVyers]

Shame is a spook. Chains. One should break chains, preferably through victory.

[@MantasXVIII]

What do you have against Common sense state enforced cock and Ball torture? It's common sense, dummy

[@arman97]

3rd what? Adolf who? Mein was??? Are these new distros?

[@Anon-tr2lq]

Reich Linux 3.0

[@aprameyanaganur2934]

@@Anon-tr2lq Thats a really nice name for my new Ironic-Nazi themed distro

[@bionicmanspeedruns]

@@aprameyanaganur2934 you make that renamed ubuntu yet

[@benschools]

Came for the Linux vids, stayed for the Stirner memes.

[@OpenSourceAnarchist]

I feel personally attacked :)

[@EvansRowan123]

Counterpoint: "predictions about the inevitable outcomes of historical trends will always be proven wrong" is itself a prediction of the inevitable outcome of a historical trend.

[@evanharvey7059]

@@GusGusGusGusGus boomer singularity paradox

[@WilliamMcAdams]

Well, the more vague a declaration, the more likely it is. It's the principle of horoscopes.

[@lindboknifeandtool]

You can vaguely predict things, but to get every detail correct is almost impossible. Like the Simpson’s “predicting” stuff. You’re right though, he probably didn’t mean it in a superlative way.

[@snoookie456]

Well he kinda makes a point about the guy who is anti-socialist but sees socialism as an inevitability. If you predict any kind of inevitability that is hopeless, that is more sane than the optimistic predictions of the people talking about "the right side of history". Orwell predicted inevitabilities. Huxley predicted inevitabilities. So many authors' predictions, basically saying "this will be as it always was". Those are truly inevitabilities. Humans will be humans. Politicians will be politicians. Money will stay. Violations of human rights will stay. Government interference will stay. Those are not going away at any point in the future. If you want to believe some predictions - believe those. Because if you're wrong - you at least get to have a sigh of relief when you're proven wrong. If the optimists are wrong - this is usually much worse.

[@tiltltt]

"no one believes in scientific materialism nowadays" i guess you never entered the humanities department of any university in the third world

[@alexkozliayev9902]

Or in any university in general

[@Malaikat31]

Talking into the camera while sitting on the front seat of a stationary car. The transformstion into Sam Hyde 2.0 is nearly complete.

[@channel11121]

Varg Hyde

[@stevesc5]

He just needs a cigar.

[@wildhomestead8498]

GNU/Hyde

[@Aiden-vj2tg]

The chamber of knowledge

[@robrick9361]

Did you hear what Luke Smith did to that high school?..............R.I.P.

[@ButthurtNinja]

I really like these lunchtime vids, you have a really interesting perspective on most of these videos as well. On top of that, I feel like I'm not just watching popcorn, I feel like I can take something away from these things and get a *real* perspective and not one from movies, docu-films or TV. Do not stop

[@obsidiansiriusblackheart]

"so, I was thinking about the third reich" don't we all

[@cowlikenuts]

Hmm yeah I've never heard of this "Adolf Hitler" guy. Please make a video about him.

[@stevesc5]

The more i learn about that guy, the more i don't care for him. ... I mean the guy was a real jerk.

[@brotherian6845]

@@stevesc5 >the more i learn about him the more i don't like him if you actually did delve deeper into national socialism/hitler than high school ""history"" text books, you'd find the literal exact opposite would happen

[@Boyd2342]

@@brotherian6845 hurr durr

[@SuperPineappleBomb]

@@brotherian6845 Bruh its a norm joke

[@theaudiocrat]

He seems very excited in all those speeches. I'm probably better off not understanding what he said because the history scientists say I'd be seduced by his dark occult powers into doing whatever he wanted. Too dangerous for me! I'm an "oatmeal, dry toast and decaf" kind of guy

[@liammccoy2208]

I dunno. “Cthulhu may swim slowly but he always swims left”.

[@DarkAdonisVyers]

Context?

[@troglodyte1052]

Generally speaking I think Moldbug was right about that, but history has a few examples to the contrary. There have been a few sudden explosions like in Renaissance Italy or classical Greece. Cthulhu may swim left, but he can get yanked to the right by forces of nature on rare occasions.

[@Theodore_Pugin]

Funny his name is Rosenberg.

[@daemon3582]

This is all Hegel's fault

[@ramblingnutcase]

I can't stand his work now.

[@Octavian2]

Centralized power tends to centralize even further. I think this video ignores the fact of money elites, and the inherent goals of those who are beyond borders.

[@jackshadow325]

You look back at your life as it was ten years ago and say, "What a fool I was back then." Which means you are a fool now, but just won't realize it for another ten years.

[@OpenSourceAnarchist]

I'm a simple man. I see Stirner, I push like. Thanks for the talk Luke!

[@DarkAdonisVyers]

That's why I love 3 Kingdoms. The side that the story tries very hard to say are the "bad guys" end up winning, so that directly spits in the face of moral inevitability.

[@tellmey1]

In Germany Merkel said 2015 that her politics is without alternative. And then the Alternative for Germany (AfD) party rose up

[@JohnSmith-oc6mr]

Linux domination is inevitable.

[@purplecxcx5791]

And if a better kernel comes along?

[@32gigs96]

purplecx cx I believe he really means gnu

[@reallybadmeme2838]

The only inevitable thing is to stop watching porn

[@lolkthnxbai]

Just discovered your channel, weird to run into another LInux user with an interest in these topics. Also a big fan of Stirner, this topic feels like a discussion from the ego book's response to Hegel's dialectic of history and the concept of world spirit.

[@deraokoli7746]

You should check out James Linsday’s work on Hegel and the “eye at the end of history”

[@eli7693]

Your power level is showing.

[@styraxgum]

what is nazi about this video exactly

[@yes8515]

@@styraxgum calling Rosenberg's trial a show trial

[@lukerb52]

"War does not come with a guarantee." - Captain Rex

[@hal1227]

Check out this book: "A thousand years of nonlinear history"

[@TheAlison1456]

The ending was unexpectedly wholesome. That was a comment on how I was amused but this is genuinely enlightening.

[@johndoe-fu3qr]

"we're living in the best of possible worlds" Candide reference ?

[@sleeterman]

Honestly these type of videos are really enjoyable, hope you bring up more interesting topics like this in the future.

[@oddbob6230]

Honk Honkler!

[@GeorgWilde]

Quite ironically, there is a rationalistic doctrine called Prexeology (developed by Mises) which explains why theories about society and history HAVE TO fail. The central argumentation is basically that any such theory would require the possibility of predicting future knowledge - which is contradictory in itself.

[@oliverallen5324]

“I for one welcome our overlords.”

[@Mipetz38]

Its been 6 years since the last time I heard an history class and you are making the exact same arguments my teacher did that day, I was too young at that time

[@BigBootyBadger]

"My victory was inevitable." i.e. The mandate of heaven with extra steps.

[@greensoldier2142]

Day "Unmute Dude" Jyer would call it a fallacy

[@NotOrdinaryInGames]

If something is truly inevitable, why convince other people of it?

[@Valansch]

You really just said that no one believes in socialism today? You have not met my classmates.

[@user-zu1ix3yq2w]

he has something new to experience coming up

[@purplecxcx5791]

they like socialism by name, but they probably like hoarding capital

[@DizzyCsango]

Well, both Marx and Fukuyama were/are Hegelians at heart (with some Kojeve thrown in in Fukuyama's case) so the concept of 'Geist' (i.e the inevitable direction of History) features heavily in their thinking. What is interesting though, is that this implied inevitability of History is basically a metaphysical concept which Marx stripped from Hegelian philosophy and Fukuyama doesn't acknowledge. So yeah, this quasi-scientific approach of history is a belief-system akin to say, trickle-down economics (i.e neo-liberalism). Speaking of the inevitability of History; here in Europe the perceived End of History is going through its own memification (and not only in alt-right circles) with the resurrection of Oswald Spengler's Der Untergang des Abendslandes (The Decline of the West). Unfortunately, new translations and cheap (and abbreviated) paperback editions of Spengler's tomes are also 'inevitably' spawning new alt-right converts calling for an Endlösung for the dual scourges of immigration and those bad, bad hombres of the Left who are apparently facilitating and welcoming the Untergang of their precious Abendlandes.

[@DarkAdonisVyers]

Well, dialectics do not necessarily apply any moral values, while in terms of Marxism, generally speaking, the "oppressor" is seen as the "bad guy", while the "oppressed" are seen as the "good guys", rather than the morally neutral terms of thesis and antithesis.

[@scythermantis]

Ironic to mention Marx when, though I sort of agree, it's also the case that he literally said "The point of history is not to learn it but to MAKE it!" if I remember

[@theelodgeovkeku]

"Dead in the way he understood it". *honk*

[@partypat2375]

I really liked this video Luke. I think there is a view of the past and future as too deterministic or too indeterministic to take action. I disagree! We have to take an active role in shaping the future, it is very important. Thank you for taking part in this shaping

[@ALulzyApprentice]

"You've probably never heard of it" said unironucally by Luke Smith. Hipster or meta-hipster? I'm confused.

[@neodonkey]

I was post-meta-hipster before it was cool.

[@TheMack]

Ignorance is bliss. We're taught that life itself is an accident. Anyway, love these videos, anything that promotes more free thinking is good!

[@kendawg_mcawesome]

7:47 hurt man, muh RoC will rise ;_;

[@perfumekharku1022]

I think there is a general trend of history present during this age. It’s the one of Decline and Involution.

[@spiveeforever7093]

Does this criticism apply to Unabomber as well?

[@edgarardon3154]

Luke, have you heard about the concept of "quantum immortality"? Some of the points you talked about reminded me of that.

[@user-sw1wq8lh2w]

in a nondeterministic reality nothing is inevitable.

[@destroythewoke4045]

Wheel in the sky keeps on turning ~

[@felixlipski3956]

But Marx explicitly criticized "the end of history" in "The Poverty of Philosophy": "Economists have a singular method of procedure. There are only two kinds of institutions for them, artificial and natural. The institutions of feudalism are artificial institutions, those of the bourgeoisie are natural institutions. In this, they resemble the theologians, who likewise establish two kinds of religion. Every religion which is not theirs is an invention of men, while their own is an emanation from God. When the economists say that present-day relations - the relations of bourgeois production - are natural, they imply that these are the relations in which wealth is created and productive forces developed in conformity with the laws of nature. These relations therefore are themselves natural laws independent of the influence of time. They are eternal laws which must always govern society. Thus, there has been history, but there is no longer any. There has been history, since there were the institutions of feudalism, and in these institutions of feudalism we find quite different relations of production from those of bourgeois society, which the economists try to pass off as natural and as such, eternal." tldr: "the bourgeoisie try to tell us capitalism is end of history"

[@vOddy75]

That quote criticises the idea that the burger system is the end of history, but not the idea of an end of history itself

[@daimonbro5015]

4:56 - 5:07 famous last words from the west before it crumbles

[@grimsithe]

I have no idea about all these linux stuff you put out but these are good.

[@Sahil_Shukla98]

Weather is pretty good in your background

[@BrenoSilveira94]

"All Things Are Nothing To Me!"

[@imiguifurr]

I think there still is an undercurrent that slowly but surely moves everyone is towards a certain point, the 1900's was just full of accelerationists, this might make it seem like we went back on these tracks as the years progressed, but really they went past forward and the world still is catching up

[@spunkysandoval]

You really need to ink this and expound on it. This is such great ammunition for getting people started on thinking for themselves more instead of our social media led group think. Great discussion. Thanks for sharing.

[@samuelruprecht8060]

But Luke! NixOS IS INEVITABLE! It will be the only futureproof Distro and there's ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that could ever be better than NixOS! (tbh. GuixSD would be the one but I really need that proprietary NVIDIA driver :( )

[@samuelruprecht8060]

Samuel you're such an idiot! ARCH LINUX is the best thing. History shows that it is! I mean look, Luke uses it! It's inevitable!

[@nerrufam7105]

lol

[@YawnGod]

This video has aged so, so very well.

[@rangerbs08]

"and that's a good thing"

[@yes8515]

unrelenting stream

[@JohnDoe-rs4fl]

Pretty decent take on things. Governments will continue to evolve or revolve inevitably. Maybe I'm being a conspiracy theorist here, but maybe its closer than we thought. Think of the power wielded by the tech elites. I don't feel it would be too much of a stretch to call it a tech-oligarchy in the making.

[@Bingewatchingmediacontent]

History is written by the victors. Also someone needs to dismantle “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.” There’s now plenty of archeological evidence that shows that maybe some ancient civilizations were actually better than our current system, in terms of equality for women and such (not in terms of sewage, though, maybe.) And that the only reason those civilizations didn’t survive is because a “might makes right” group came along and destroyed everything. Assuming that the right people always win is an assumption that those with the most destructive weapons always win.

[@Jack-hx7ei]

well marx didn't really say that socialism is inevitable but that capitalism is destined to fail, which it is, and then presented socialism as a preferable alternative to capitalism.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

Everything is destined to fail if you don't give us a reasonable timeline. Thanks Marx, without you I'd think things can last for ever.

[@wasumyon6147]

I dunno, we're in a pretty bad timeline it seems to me.

[@AbsoluteScotch]

People believe in Destiny because to believe otherwise would implicate that they are themselves responsible for their live and the decision they make: that they are responsible for history. That the untold evil of history, the hundreds of millions of people murdered, is their fault. It's unthinkable.

[@sunset-inn]

What about Spengler's cyclic view of history? Is that inevitable?

[@sapientpearwood613]

"not just alive, but kicking" I'm gonna steal that one

[@kostasapostolopoulos_yt]

So, Vegans could be right? Consuming meat isn't a inevitability?

[@punkdrunkmonk824]

Max steiner will be pleased

[@zoompt-lm5xw]

Excellent video by the way. Please continue to inspect this path.

[@theconjuror112]

Please make more retro Thinkpad videos!

[@estebansteverincon7117]

I was thinking about the _Fourth_ Reich...you know, CHAZ

[@megauser8512]

Which was gone pretty quick . . .

[@DarkAdonisVyers]

@@megauser8512 And had much worse fashion sense.

[@gtgunar]

9:20, uhh, that's some self made nightmare right there.

[@jakeq3530]

We fought the wrong enemy

[@hal1227]

The issue is the way on how we frame and narrate history. It is always tought as this solid block of events. Obviously not only the historians have to be blamed, since there is an inherent flaw in the historical method. Namely the search for originality of a certain period etc. It is a paradoxon overall, since history is intervowen and fluid, but later on subdivided into those solid blocks. A good example are conservators. Let's say you try to conserve an old fresco in a curch that is hundreds of years old. Then you discover three additional layers of frescos below your painting. Are you scraping off all the layers to expose the most original one? What kind of story you want to tell? There are different opinions in restauration, since it is somewhat a dilemma and often the one layer is chosen which suits the overall narrative and cultural/ historical framing the best...

[@user-wc3zi7lh4g]

0:42 Shut it down!!!!

[@NikoxD93]

Demographics projection are absolutely unavoidable!

[@technicalsikh9261]

Wow, I learned a lot. Thanks.

[@sadface7457]

History necessitates itself, in that as events are views backwards they seem destined, this is due to a retroactively reauthering of the past, even though looking forward events are in always in flux.

[@telotawa]

extinction inevitable

[@mistahsusan2650]

history is just a way of inquiring about and recording events of the past, preferably getting both sides of the story or offering a perspective that is ignored or neglected. to describe it as some preordained force that is there to confirm a preemptive victory for one particular viewpoint in a society is peak smooth brain.

[@Jimmy_Reformed]

>No one is a marxist I still am but see your point. Class struggle and the accumulation of capital is still a molder of our condition. Marx could not see the future, Imperialism created a stabilizing factor to capitalism. I don't know if socialism will come after capitalism but capitalism will not last forever.

[@sombrerero887]

There are some Marx thinkers that talk about re-thinking marxism. Maybe that proposal could update Marx to our current conditions in the same way that genetics updated Darwinism.

[@trefthergom3085]

3:51 As an unironic Lysenkoist, I beg to differ! We must plant the wheat as close together as possible!

[@helpme2999]

can you explain lysenkoism

[@LawrenceHe]

"I'm inevitable"

[@tylersingleton9284]

To sum up a healthier mindset: "My mighty attacks can not reach thee? And who decided that? My blazing sun was swallowed up by a speck of darkness? And who decided that? The only one who gets to decide such things IS ME!"

[@casfren]

Some points ok... like saying that things are inevitable is true, its hard to predict. but 8:15 is bs. Ancient Greeks lived great lifes. Much better than many do today. Not only that but this instantly contradicts with anyone saying "this used to be better in my times".

[@YitzharVered]

Fate is a spook. That's a pretty neat thing, no? Almost objectivism, except not lol. Objectivism is also a spook lmao.

[@aprameyanaganur2934]

Soooo things arent actually going to be the way they seem to be going, and I like that. Good things are inevitable guys

[@DarkAdonisVyers]

The Mongols and Manchurians weren't defeated by the magical powers of a "pure heart" or some other bullshit. They were defeated by more advanced applications of gunpowder.

[@aprameyanaganur2934]

@@DarkAdonisVyers wtf now I can't remember what my comment was supposed to mean

[@DarkAdonisVyers]

@@aprameyanaganur2934 "Good things are inevitable" is a moot point because the very concept of morality is a spook. Good and evil only have value if internally defined.

[@aprameyanaganur2934]

@@DarkAdonisVyers yeah, agree. I don't know what I was on about. Funny how things change, huh.

[@telotawa]

its a big propaganda tool, you tell people "this is inevitable" to get them to support it

[@telotawa]

also lol unexpected stirner

[@zoompt-lm5xw]

Are you suggesting that the jump between present and future is open source? Not proprietary of some ideology

[@Tarik360]

Ultimately, it's adaptability über alles?

[@TheTastyPancake]

This was spot-on

[@weeaboochamploo5418]

Give credit to Unqualified Reservations next time.

[@weeaboochamploo5418]

@@vanillagorilla9732 I agree Luke probably deserves more credit. Someone with a background in Latin and a familiarity with ancient/historical texts could definitely find what's "out there" (referring of course to more than Fukuyama critiques) on his own. But the edgy presentation and comparison to the 30s suggests he's definitely read UR.

[@LukeSmithxyz]

@@weeaboochamploo5418 Moldbug has hot takes, but if he said more or less what I said here, I didn't read it. If I was actually biting content from UR this video would be 40 minutes long and part 1 of 16.

[@RollingBobbyJones]

3:52 >3 yrs later Hahah oh you poor poor man, if only you knew how bad it really was

[@vorrek1551]

LET'S.FIND.OUT

[@grandfax]

Luke maybe you won't read this but I really think you could enjoy reading something about the Spanish philosopher Gustavo Bueno.

[@billkillernic]

I struggled my self with such questions and/or realizations e.g I believe that the actual dark ages originate at the time of the sudden death of Alexander the Great which sparked a particular set of "domino" effects within Greek leadership and increased their feuds leading them to be conquered by rome (many a time while other Greeks were allied to rome helping into to disrupt control from other Greek hegemonies they considered as enemies) I also believe that national socialism is a better political system compared to capitalism or communism. But what I ended up realizing is what I or anybody considers as the "best" or "proper" is not what makes it "right" even if I (or anybody else) am right in a specific measurement to conclude something better over something else. And thus I beg to differ. If something **should** happen it **will happen** and there is **no way to avoid it**. Life finds always the **right** way to continue and it is **inevitable** that what happens **should** happen and it was never supposed to happen any other way so in a sense its **better** that it happened this way. I would need a book elaborate on why I think like that but I try my best to give a simple example hoping that you (or whoever reads this post) will see through the meme material and all the jokes that can come out of it, it is not 1:1 and simplistic I know but this is the best thing I could think of that would convey what I am trying to convey in a few lines of text :P Take Mufasa for example he is like the archetype of what a good leader should be a healthy strong wise lion, but at the end Scar was the Scar prevailed. Mufasa as a leader should be able to foresee that and have the strength to do what was necessary to stop it yet he (despite our measurements of what is right or best etc) failed to do his job. Scar was what was more appropriate a leader and what that society needed for that time (because if the society was different and didnt had its own flaws **Scar wouldnt exist** ) Sometimes what's right to happen doesnt mean it is "good" in terms of putting it simple "more people rich" or "more people happy" there are stages a society has to to reach in order to elevate to a better level.

[@alexkozliayev9902]

Well, idea that there is no faith, and anything can happen, can be really scary

[@TheWolfgangGrimmer]

Grizzly bears are also really scary, but I assure you, they are real.

[@alexkozliayev9902]

@@TheWolfgangGrimmer that's what i'm saying

[@lucywucyyy]

i guess im an outlier too, i think we are in the worst timeline and i really think it is inevitable

[@projectpegasus1297]

Disney REMOVED TOMORROWLAND 🧐 TOMORROWLAND is exactly the point of this video

[@Harbonium]

"The Bad Guys" were winners through all history and we need to swallow that. But not at the end. And the end is near

[@charlescole1766]

The end is near?

[@MandenTV]

Life isn’t a movie. Sometimes the bad guys win. It’s a hard pill for a lot of people to swallow.