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@rideoregonfirst
@rideoregonfirst 2 жыл бұрын
"I'm an Oregonian" I'm very proud to say that I am too.
@trumpwon20204
@trumpwon20204 2 жыл бұрын
Was born in PDX. live across the bridge now where sanity still resides. Portland has a soros funded DA letting crackpots back on the st. And liberals just rolling in their filth
@stephenullman4534
@stephenullman4534 2 жыл бұрын
I'm an Oregonian as well. But I got stuck over on the east coast in Rhode Island. I really miss my home state. I actually ache for it. This New England area is not what I am made for. Way too many people in such a small area. Horrible.
@carey_metv
@carey_metv 2 жыл бұрын
Not anything to be proud of anymore. Considering the governor orders tampons and pads in the boys restrooms at public school. Oregon is a despicable state!
@alicebenson8512
@alicebenson8512 Жыл бұрын
@@stephenullman4534 I felt your pain. I lived close to Seattle for a few years. And I tell ya, not a day went by where I didn't think of home. I'm glad me and my family have moved back to Portland. It feels good to be home.
@andrewtoddmedia
@andrewtoddmedia Жыл бұрын
Awesome channel, just subscribed! Let me know if you ever need a drone pilot or a 360 action cam out there with you. Wouldn't mind teaming up to add more action videos to my channel and for my social audiences.
@Edgeoftown
@Edgeoftown Жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed that. Thanks Oregonians from London, UK!
@singvogel7895
@singvogel7895 6 ай бұрын
You are welcome, just do not read the comments if you value your sanity!
@carlalyles
@carlalyles 2 ай бұрын
Life long Oregonian here, born in Salem, Oregon on June 9, 1965
@Rockstar97321
@Rockstar97321 17 күн бұрын
Can you tell me anything about the Salem underground?
@andrewtoddmedia
@andrewtoddmedia Жыл бұрын
I was recently out in Wasco County and found a cemetery with gravestones from the mid-1800s. Many of them witnessed Oregon becoming the 33rd state in the Union. Most of them had between 8-12 kids. The entire thing just felt surreal, but also I felt a deep connection to these people living in the era of this video. Awesome video as well, thanks for the share!
@bookbeing
@bookbeing 2 жыл бұрын
I have a bunch of old pictures and personal journals featuring oregon when the railways were being built. They are from My great grandmother was one of the first woman switch line/telegraph operators for the railway 🚂. I love these personal accounts and pieces of history.
@carpo719
@carpo719 2 жыл бұрын
that is awesome, you should consider scanning them and posting them online so they are eternally documented!
@bookbeing
@bookbeing 2 жыл бұрын
@@carpo719 I will. I know I need to and soon as I'm no spring chicken. 🐔🐣🐥
@juditrotter5176
@juditrotter5176 Жыл бұрын
Bless you! What a treasure!
@juditrotter5176
@juditrotter5176 Жыл бұрын
@@bookbeing I bet there are College students or State or NGOs like One of the Museums would fall all over themselves to save this for your family and the world!
@bookbeing
@bookbeing Жыл бұрын
@@juditrotter5176 thank you for your suggestion.. I will try to follow up and send copies to them.
@MrJeep75
@MrJeep75 10 ай бұрын
I love my state
@mattiemathis9549
@mattiemathis9549 Жыл бұрын
2:45 If we can do that with our country, we really can make a better future. We have so many lessons we have learned, let’s just learn. 💕
@Benno101able
@Benno101able 5 ай бұрын
I loved this documentary thank you 🙏
@larryboone5865
@larryboone5865 Жыл бұрын
Amaaaazing!!!!???
@ganjjabarsmedium2347
@ganjjabarsmedium2347 7 ай бұрын
the estimated population of the Native Americans was around 300,000 according to this documentary. And by the 1830's, they had been reduced to around 15,000. This cuts my soul deeply, even with my love for my home state. The pain of that wound will take generations to heal from. Yet so many don't even acknowledge how bad the wound is.
@OregonMotorcycle
@OregonMotorcycle 3 ай бұрын
@@ganjjabarsmedium2347 the United States taught us kids through propaganda in schools. Still happens. Now as adults they give us the propaganda through the news.
@Steven-kl6lh
@Steven-kl6lh 9 күн бұрын
Ganjabars..?. what are you a doper doser?... everyone is so sad for the native tribal (?) people...who murdered each other in territory wars before the "white man" or "pale faces" started coming west..to have a better life ..farming and living off the land, just as the "tribes of people already there, were"...AND THE "NATIVES" MURDERED MANY "PALE FACE " SETTLERS...So get off your stoned perch, come down and see the truth...✌️😁
@dawnfrear27
@dawnfrear27 2 жыл бұрын
Hometown I love the historical stuff of my hometown and I really enjoyed this and thank you for sharing everything that you know about the history of Roseburg Oregon
@danielcraft3727
@danielcraft3727 Жыл бұрын
Was pretty lucky covered much of the Oregon Trail from Oregon City to Nebraska mostly from working on the track with Union Pacific. Could only imagine what it was like for instance the Celilo Falls and rapids that gave the name to The Dalles, my home base. So lucky and blessed were the original peoples. Fishing and hunting as a way of life compared to working all the time to get a couple of days off to fish and hunt and back to work for the rest of the year.
@kathleenpowers5548
@kathleenpowers5548 2 жыл бұрын
My ancestors came over I don’t have a Lotta photographs but I got a lot of documentation and I am proud of my history good and bad they also suffered it was a time of growth in the whole United States and we’re doing it again and again and bad as well
@marianfrances4959
@marianfrances4959 Жыл бұрын
Awesome!👍😎🇨🇦
@BrianLyons315
@BrianLyons315 2 жыл бұрын
I love this documentary. I wish Oversimplified would give his full take on the history of the Oregon Country.
@Rockstar97321
@Rockstar97321 17 күн бұрын
I'm a land surveyor in the Willamette Valley. Ask me anything. I have researched thousands of property records. I probably understand this area more than anybody who lives above ground. There is a vast underground community.
@douglassauvageau7262
@douglassauvageau7262 Жыл бұрын
Heraldry is an underappreciated medium. The Great Seal of the State of Oregon is the sole example of the American Eagle facing left (sinister) toward the arrows. Our motto: "The Union" and the date :'1859' . . . a picture speaks a thousand words.
@singvogel7895
@singvogel7895 6 ай бұрын
The war-facing of the eagle, you mean. Never noticed that, thanks.
@glennhopkins2643
@glennhopkins2643 5 ай бұрын
Oregon is for me Coco.
@carpo719
@carpo719 2 жыл бұрын
John McGloughlin looks like a kind of guy I would NOT want to cross!!
@Rockstar97321
@Rockstar97321 17 күн бұрын
The purest of the Calapooia is the curator of the museum near Spirit Mountain Casino. He told me that the Calapooia emerged from a tunnel in Salem 6,000 years ago. When the pioneers came out here, one of their reasons was to locate and establish the new Jerusalem. That is Salem, Oregon - the State capital.
@Cat-ik1wo
@Cat-ik1wo Жыл бұрын
Interesting.
@bettynewhard3766
@bettynewhard3766 2 жыл бұрын
My third great grandfather is Joseph Lafayette Meek. ❤
@junekdial
@junekdial Жыл бұрын
My great great great grandfather was part of the Champoe - The Clatsop are tribe. My father great great great grandfather was Joseph Gervais and he married the princess of the Clatsop tribe and she was baptized Marguerite
@BeautifuLakesStreamsBiologists
@BeautifuLakesStreamsBiologists Жыл бұрын
The history of our two families crossed paths that day.
@cherylcampbell9369
@cherylcampbell9369 3 ай бұрын
Clatsop didn't have "princesses". McLoughlin's wife's name was Marguerite. The stories may have been slightly confused in the details.
@MrTwenty20video
@MrTwenty20video Жыл бұрын
Good 👍
@bettynewhard
@bettynewhard Жыл бұрын
Jim Bridger, Joseph Meek left both their daughters at the Whitman’s they were sick when the massacre happened they pas*** days after. My grandfather was angry over his Half indigenous daughter and Ms. Whitman since he took a fancy to her. 3 great grandfather Joseph Lafayette Meek.
@ks8579
@ks8579 2 жыл бұрын
Tell me about the JM Sliker house 1890 in Eagle Creek 97022. Located on a portion of the Barlow road on the Clackamas River. I’ve made it back to Brown in the records.
@Rockstar97321
@Rockstar97321 17 күн бұрын
There were about 600 mounds and burial mounds between Albany and Eugene in 1850. They were about the size of a football field, and at least 9 feet above the surrounding area. They were way over 3,000 years old. The farmers looted and flattened them. Some of them had baby pyramids on them. That's a flap topped stone structure used for religious purposes.
@rzrman5380
@rzrman5380 2 жыл бұрын
Great video thank you OPB .
@CleanCT-
@CleanCT- Жыл бұрын
Cool
@Rockstar97321
@Rockstar97321 Жыл бұрын
Oregon became a state on Saint Valentines Day in 1859. Salem is the capital of Oregon. Salem is short for Jerusalem.
@danielcraft3727
@danielcraft3727 Жыл бұрын
Jeru Salem possession (city) of peace a translation. Salem peaceful,tranquil semitic hebrew Arabic word. Also a Salem in India from Arab Muslim influence. Find interesting others may not.
@Rockstar97321
@Rockstar97321 Жыл бұрын
@@danielcraft3727 Scio is southeast of Salem. Scio is Zion. That's in Judea. Lebanon is southeast of Salem. In the Middle East, Lebanon is Heliopolis. Sodom Ditch is west of Brownsville. Sodom was a city of sin in the Old Testament. The House of Saxe Coburg und Gatha is the House of Windsor. Coburg is north of Eugene. Halsey is Hell. Eugene is the Emerald City in the Emerald Empire. Wizard Island is in Crater Lake. Merlin is west of Crater Lake. Sherwood is southwest of Portland. The Enchanted Forest is south of Salem. Albany is the city of Snow White. That's where Swan Lake is next to I-5. The Sherwood Forest is south of Albany in Oakville.
@danielcraft3727
@danielcraft3727 Жыл бұрын
@@Rockstar97321 migrations of cultures and names tells quite a story. Always interesting to me. Monmouth Rebellion, pitchfork rebellion England. Battle of Monmouth New Jersey revolution war part of my family history. Lost in England won in America. Win some lose some. Meanings of names and words can learn a lot.
@Rockstar97321
@Rockstar97321 Жыл бұрын
@@danielcraft3727 Indeed. Names mean things. A lot of the towns in the Willamette Valley are mirrored in Pennsylvania. Mennonite farmers are here and Amish farmers are there, and they are all the same Bavarian family. The Fairy Tales are German and that's why there are so many Fairy Tales names here.
@randywagner6961
@randywagner6961 Жыл бұрын
Elias Wagner. Wagner estate. Wagner mt. Wagner mt road. Fucking wagners.
@reddeaddude2187
@reddeaddude2187 2 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised by how many fools there are in the comments, blindly criticizing American history because it's the cool thing to do right now.
@hansolo5762
@hansolo5762 Жыл бұрын
I think you're the fool for thinking that America is immune to criticism. Oregon, like many other states completely fucked over native Americans and saw no reprecussions. The least we can do is acknowledge the millions of lives lost, displaced, and taken advantage of and learn from that. Not only that, but heavily limiting blacks and other minorities while wanting the land for white Europeans. It's not "the cool thing to do" it's just basic empathy 101 and if you don't have that I don't know what to tell you.
@mikelubin148
@mikelubin148 11 ай бұрын
You stole land. What are you talking about racist.
@reddeaddude2187
@reddeaddude2187 11 ай бұрын
@@mikelubin148 Which tribes do you think the land originally belonged to? I guarantee that none of the tribes the land was "stolen" from, were the original inhabitants. As far as being a racist goes, you're not worth the effort it would take to explain why your comment is laughably stupid. Goodbye ignorant internet person.
@jimhere1
@jimhere1 11 ай бұрын
Lol you're the blind one.
@benusmaximus3601
@benusmaximus3601 8 ай бұрын
It’s not cool at all, it just shows how pathetic and immature some people can be…
@BeautifuLakesStreamsBiologists
@BeautifuLakesStreamsBiologists Жыл бұрын
The bias of OPB .... Oregon Public BIas is on full display vie the speakers they selected. Do your own homework.
@singvogel7895
@singvogel7895 6 ай бұрын
"Do your own homework." The cri de coeur of the uninformed fanatic.
@mikewhite9818
@mikewhite9818 6 ай бұрын
OPB has always been a Democrat right arm. They are biased and always has been.
@Mindfreeingme
@Mindfreeingme Жыл бұрын
Well known question for you to blame the past for your present condition in your life
@RyanSauvageau-t8s
@RyanSauvageau-t8s 9 ай бұрын
And ⭕ what a state we're in...Sweet dreams of 🦉?
@BrianLyons315
@BrianLyons315 2 жыл бұрын
18:46 And they don't stop coming, hopped in the wagon and they hit the ground running.
@JuliaClark
@JuliaClark Жыл бұрын
You just totally skipped over the native history. Then rudely used the term Oregon Fever to describe the lies fed to travelers. 😮
@hethm.8159
@hethm.8159 Жыл бұрын
For thousands of years it worked out. The people of the land managed it extremely well. But it all went down hill when these guys showed up from Europe.
@renotwin
@renotwin 6 ай бұрын
Nothing about Astoria? Weird I thought it and Fort Clatsop , (Lewis and Clark's winter camp next to present day Astoria) were the reason / claim , the US used to get yhe area. Founded in 1811, 33 years before Oregon City was founded. But Otegon city was the first incorporated city west of the Rockies? Well that would make Adyoria the first city west of the Rockies, not not incorporated. I guess neing incorporated deletes the older city , and first city in Oregon, Astoria? Weird how Otegon City hets mentioned over and over, and not a single mention of Astoria. History of Oregon, or of the Willamette valley and the Portland area. I think the historians that wrote this must of forgot about the first city in Oregon, the city that was used to lay claim to the Us, including Lewis and Clark's expedition.
@donaldpayne3854
@donaldpayne3854 6 ай бұрын
Your history left out the real first government on the Bear Flag government of the country of California in 1946 before it was a state.
@Luciopiacenza333
@Luciopiacenza333 2 жыл бұрын
(OREJON) big ears!!! you're welcome!
@vf12497439
@vf12497439 20 күн бұрын
It makes me sad to think I had ancestors here in 1840's who participated in drafting the first Oregon constitution. Doctor William Mayley of present day Oakville Oregon is my oldest ancestor in Oregon. He is buried in the Oakville Cemetary that was once part of his original donation land claim. It kinda makes me sad to think that he may have been in favor of exclusionism that blacks could not own land in Oregon. But conciderating the times he probably was surrounded by this thinking and went along with it. All to often ideas in our minds are not our own and that's a human civilized trait. He was a good southern democrat who was educated and took up the adventure for a better life. Im not sure if any of his direct descendants are alive or remain in Oregon today. They would be 5th or 6th removed cousins to me. But here I am, a native oregonian of 52 years with deep roots to the area. I'm proud to be from Oregon, not always proud of my fellow oregonians though.
@jeffpetrie7744
@jeffpetrie7744 10 ай бұрын
Regarding McLoughlin: When a pioneer is described as "fair," it means that the person was an asshole to everyone, not just a few.
@randywagner6961
@randywagner6961 Жыл бұрын
My great great gandpa elias wagner was salem. Funny how families die off.
@EPA3
@EPA3 Жыл бұрын
Next we should settle Mexico
@reeltoxic
@reeltoxic Жыл бұрын
hello fellow canadians i am straight how about u
@bettynewhard
@bettynewhard Жыл бұрын
Define somewhat unpleasant at worst? Please. Denying the five for the second trial is My unpleasant at worst. Does it get worse than that? ❤
@enriquerosales3497
@enriquerosales3497 Жыл бұрын
Can I move there with my wife? She was born and raise in Salem. I'm from El Salvador!
@enriquerosales3497
@enriquerosales3497 Жыл бұрын
@homesteaddelee907 Great!!
@singvogel7895
@singvogel7895 6 ай бұрын
Come on down, Enrique!
@enriquerosales3497
@enriquerosales3497 6 ай бұрын
@@singvogel7895 Im ready!!!
@OGRocker1
@OGRocker1 2 жыл бұрын
How do you manage to leave out all of southern Oregon's contributions to the States history ? Not one word of Jacksonville , the Gold rush, Rouge Indian Wars, Ft. Lane, Mt. Mc Loughlin, the Applegate trail etc. nothing south of the Willamette valley as usual.... Then you flat landers wonder why we in southern Oregon wish to seperate from you. We pay taxes and your salary too.
@vichernandezii
@vichernandezii 2 жыл бұрын
Damn, colonization is strong with this one.
@reddeaddude2187
@reddeaddude2187 2 жыл бұрын
What of it
@kayperkayful
@kayperkayful Жыл бұрын
People have went thousands if miles for FREE stuff. Willing to risk life for FREE stuff. The easy way out! And NOW…people are called lazy when they want THEIR free stuff. Nothing has changed in almost 200 hundred years.
@grandavelwizbeybey5401
@grandavelwizbeybey5401 Жыл бұрын
Oregon hunted stay away from the mountains. They walk threw 🧱 😉
@michaeldean9338
@michaeldean9338 3 ай бұрын
As I view this documentary-- what's mind-blowing-- is having to listen to those griping, moaning and crying that Europe, supposedly, is being 'invaded' by OUTSIDERS.
@khadijagwen
@khadijagwen 7 ай бұрын
The evil that was done to the Native Americans, the river, and so much more ...
@MrRadioGypsy
@MrRadioGypsy 2 жыл бұрын
Inaccurate - at best.
@Backyardmech1
@Backyardmech1 2 жыл бұрын
How so?
@GlacierSound
@GlacierSound 2 жыл бұрын
Why???
@NewAgeRenegXde
@NewAgeRenegXde 2 жыл бұрын
Gotta come back bru, you playing w our emotions
@carpo719
@carpo719 2 жыл бұрын
what an excellent critique, and well explained! Great job debunking Oregon, my friend :D
@lauracarothers2276
@lauracarothers2276 2 жыл бұрын
Nothing says I don't want to live here than watching this video. I don't want to visit Oregon after watching. Why visit? I've never known hate. I might as well stay away. I might as well enjoy the real America. A place where I can be friends with my fellow citizen. Certainly not in Oregon. The warning is clear.
@woowee4342
@woowee4342 2 жыл бұрын
What the hell are you on about lmao, America IS hate. All of it, and the south is most definitely worse than Oregon. You nasty moldy fuck.
@MrDavidminor
@MrDavidminor Жыл бұрын
Then don't come to Oregon. Do us a favor
@jotsingh8917
@jotsingh8917 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing documentary that it took the Anglo-American white colonizers only 150 years to trash and destroy one of the most beautiful places on Earth.
@carpo719
@carpo719 2 жыл бұрын
But now we are moving forward, right? Why are we so stuck in the past?
@baptizednblood6813
@baptizednblood6813 2 жыл бұрын
@@carpo719 cause we haven’t really moved forward. Natives are still stuck on reservations in poverty. Google a little bit about the treaties we broke and how the casinos and government assistance barely goes to individual tribe members at all and works to serve the government and business. And that’s just on the native issue
@EPA3
@EPA3 Жыл бұрын
Pound sand up your ass, Jot. You racist piece of shit. Let’s talk about how much your people have fucked up. It’ll be a loooong conversation. Dumb fuck.
@reddeaddude2187
@reddeaddude2187 11 ай бұрын
You are some really ignorant people to make generalized statements like that. Amazing that it only took 30 minutes to convince some idiots that the "peaceloving natives" were massacred by the big bad Europeans.
@generic234username
@generic234username 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, this is so dated and problematic. The wording itself is heavily skewed towards settler colonialism. I’m ashamed. I hope someday this document is held up as a teaching tool to illustrate how white supremacy used to be indoctrinated into the minds of those without critical thinking skills. I sincerely hope that in the years since this video was originally produced you have managed to do better. Rethink some of the language used here. This was not free “public lands”, there were diverse communities who were exterminated when they became inconvenient. No wonder they resisted. It’s nice you tried to show some diversity and absolutely no offense to the talking heads, nor to the re-enactors but the voice over narration gets things so very wrong. We weren’t “immigrants”, we are occupiers. We have to accept that as fact and start telling our kids the truth, so we can move on as a people and establish a more just and equitable future. Or do you go into your neighbors yard and just take their stuff because you wanted it and they didn’t appear to be using it??? I mean… “treaties”…? Uhhh surejan. Again, nothing against public broadcasting, you guys are great, maybe this video is 20 years old, those hairstyles made it hard to tell. Okay, good talk. Love you Oregon 😘😘😘 #bffs4life #oregonismagic #ilysm
@subgum3403
@subgum3403 2 жыл бұрын
Well if it makes you feel better the peoples who were here took it from other native groups.
@reddeaddude2187
@reddeaddude2187 2 жыл бұрын
Your revisionist history reeks of "progressivism." The stereotype of the "Peaceful Native" is very harmful, few tribes were truly peace-loving. Before you label me a racist without putting any thought into the accusation, my great grandmother was Cherokee and Choctaw. America was absolutely an ideal worth fighting for, a Union of different cultures striving towards liberty and justice. Until you extremists wiped your ass with the flag and have done your best to strip our freedoms away. You are guilty of living on "stolen land" unless you give it to an Indian your points are invalid.
@EPA3
@EPA3 Жыл бұрын
You must be high. You’re the one with no critical thinking skills. We weren’t occupiers. We were people looking for something better. The same way the illegal immigrants you probably stand up for are looking for a better life and are slowly erasing our culture. Should we call them occupiers? You’re a clown. I pray to God you don’t reproduce, and if you do, I hope your children realize what a fool you are.
@LadyOaksNZ
@LadyOaksNZ Жыл бұрын
Agree. Exterminate the original dwellers and steal their homelands. ..???
@stevenmiller6725
@stevenmiller6725 Жыл бұрын
I guess the south/central americans coming over the southern border are occupiers as well by your definition.... they do plan on taking your stuff, rights , tax money, etc. But then again so were the native Americans already here. You think they were here when Yellowstone was erupting and the Columbia River basalt flows were going into the ocean? Maybe during the Missoula floods? So our ancestors committed the horrible crime of surviving and now here we are. Probably deserve some respect instead of scorn.
@joshtibbetts6321
@joshtibbetts6321 Жыл бұрын
What an "anti-pioneer" report. Progress!
@EPA3
@EPA3 Жыл бұрын
They ought to do a documentary on how brutal the Indians were!
@BeautifuLakesStreamsBiologists
@BeautifuLakesStreamsBiologists Жыл бұрын
Their bias would not be progress in my mind.
@reddeaddude2187
@reddeaddude2187 11 ай бұрын
Stupidity is most certainly not progress. This is revisionist history at best and moron propaganda at worst.
@TheTrueOnyxRose
@TheTrueOnyxRose 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds a lot like Ukraine and Russia. And look who we support. We’re such hypocrites.
@arlitabeard7693
@arlitabeard7693 Жыл бұрын
And there still not a lot of blacks in Oregon I when to school in Portland in the 50s and when to school with blacks
@reddeaddude2187
@reddeaddude2187 11 ай бұрын
Ever thought maybe most don't want to live here? No one is stopping them from coming. Modern day Portland is enough to scare any sane individual away.
@yoyoma27payer
@yoyoma27payer 2 жыл бұрын
What a communist program
@hansolo5762
@hansolo5762 Жыл бұрын
Congratulations for adding nothing of value to the discussion.
@reddeaddude2187
@reddeaddude2187 11 ай бұрын
You didn't "add" anything yourself.
@JuliaClark
@JuliaClark Жыл бұрын
Good Lord, Oregon's history is so far worse than Mississippi's history 😳
@singvogel7895
@singvogel7895 6 ай бұрын
Ask Cheney, Schwerner, and Goodman about that. Oh, and Emmett Till while you're looking for bodies.
@douglassauvageau7262
@douglassauvageau7262 Жыл бұрын
"I am an Oregonian". Dr. Sir Jean-Baptiste McLoughlin en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McLoughlin
@andretokayuk8100
@andretokayuk8100 Жыл бұрын
Oh, yeah?! Now explain how Whoregone became a tax slave colony.. asking for an enslaved Ukrainian friend of mine...
@reddeaddude2187
@reddeaddude2187 11 ай бұрын
Ask the liberals, they're the ones in charge
@singvogel7895
@singvogel7895 6 ай бұрын
You sound like you possess an incredibly ignorant and stupid ideology, do tell us more.
@singvogel7895
@singvogel7895 6 ай бұрын
@@reddeaddude2187 Which is why things are as good as they are. Just look at the red states. Welfare-suckers to the last.
@arlitabeard7693
@arlitabeard7693 Жыл бұрын
And there still not a lot of blacks in Oregon I when to school in Portland in the 50s and when to school with blacks
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